40.26% Mediterranean
0.00% Far_Asian
0.06% Siberian
47.10% North_European
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% West_African
4.08% Caucasus
7.94% Gedrosia
0.08% East_African
0.46% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Northwest_African
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40.26% Mediterranean
0.00% Far_Asian
0.06% Siberian
47.10% North_European
0.00% South_Asian
0.00% West_African
4.08% Caucasus
7.94% Gedrosia
0.08% East_African
0.46% Southwest_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Northwest_African
K12a results:
22.13% Mediterranean
0.07% Far_Asian
2.32% Siberian
59.73% North_European
2.04% South_Asian
0.00% West_African
10.33% Caucasus
2.20% Gedrosia
0.00% East_African
1.04% Southwest_Asian
0.12% Southeast_Asian
0.01% Northwest_African
Compared to genetic and a few geographical neighbours:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...ophageK12a.jpg
Dodecad Oracle:
[1,] "Polish_D" "3.7164"
[2,] "Ukranians_Y" "5.332"
[3,] "Russian_D" "7.0211"
[4,] "Belorussian" "7.8957"
[5,] "Russian_B" "8.1312"
[6,] "Mordovians_Y" "9.9684"
[7,] "Russian" "10.7038"
[8,] "Hungarians" "15.0516"
[9,] "Swedish_D" "15.5325"
[10,] "Lithuanian_D" "15.6001"
[11,] "FIN25" "15.6382"
[12,] "Lithuanians" "15.8043"
[13,] "German_D" "16.2597"
[14,] "Finnish_D" "17.565"
[15,] "Norwegian_D" "17.9142"
[16,] "Chuvashs" "22.5191"
[17,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "23.6352"
[18,] "Dutch_D" "23.9476"
[19,] "CEU25" "24.0656"
[20,] "British_Isles_D" "24.8209"
Dodecad Oracle (mixed mode):
[1,] "24.9% Dutch_D + 75.1% Russian_B" "1.83"
[2,] "24.8% CEU25 + 75.2% Russian_B" "1.8826"
[3,] "76.9% Russian_B + 23.1% Kent_1KG" "1.9489"
[4,] "23.2% British_D + 76.8% Russian_B" "1.9527"
[5,] "77.8% Russian_B + 22.2% Cornwall_1KG" "1.9584"
[6,] "25.1% Mixed_Germanic_D + 74.9% Russian_B" "1.9695"
[7,] "87.7% Polish_D + 12.3% Chuvashs" "2.0017"
[8,] "24.2% British_Isles_D + 75.8% Russian_B" "2.0085"
[9,] "76.3% Russian_B + 23.7% Argyll_1KG" "2.1201"
[10,] "23.6% Irish_D + 76.4% Russian_B" "2.1223"
Thanks for the link, but that's something I figured out before already, I was asking whether people have something in mind if talking about the origins of this component.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
On Dienekes blog, they speculate about a Central Asian component, which would make sense, as North European is this time so close to Caucasian and Gedrosian so widespread in Europe, that we might deal here with different interpretations in different admixture runs of a similar component which being now largely diluted and admixed, being categorised differently in different runs.
Now that I'm on the holiday break I got some time to run my raw data through DIYDodecad v3 2.1 and the K12a and Oracle:
Quote:
Dodecad ORACLE V1:
DodecadOracle(c(10.27,51.84,26.91,0.00,8.75,0.61,0 .01,0.23,0.00,0.95,0.36,0.07))
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "CEU" "2.9717"
[2,] "N._European" "5.0694"
[3,] "Orcadian" "5.2101"
[4,] "Argyll_1KG" "5.391"
[5,] "Orkney_1KG" "5.6548"
[6,] "German_D" "8.5726"
[7,] "French" "9.6303"
[8,] "French_D" "10.0577"
[9,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "10.6703"
[10,] "Dutch_D" "11.7807"
Two way mix mode -
DodecadOracle(c(10.27,51.84,26.91,0.00,8.75,0.61,0 .01,0.23,0.00,0.95,0.36,0.07),mixedmode=T)
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "90.4% Orcadian + 9.6% S_Italian_D" "0.4005"
[2,] "89.7% Orkney_1KG + 10.3% S_Italian_D" "0.4049"
[3,] "12.5% C_Italian_D + 87.5% Orkney_1KG" "0.4141"
[4,] "90.1% Orcadian + 9.9% Sicilian_D" "0.4439"
[5,] "89.7% Orcadian + 10.3% S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "0.4723"
[6,] "89.3% Orkney_1KG + 10.7% Sicilian_D" "0.4816"
[7,] "11.7% C_Italian_D + 88.3% Orcadian" "0.4921"
[8,] "14.5% O_Italian_D + 85.5% Orkney_1KG" "0.5639"
[9,] "13.5% O_Italian_D + 86.5% Orcadian" "0.5794"
[10,] "84.2% Orcadian + 15.8% Tuscan_X" "0.5924"
Dodecad ORACLE K12a:
DodecadOracle(c(38.56,0.11,0.02,43.44,0.25,0.00,10 .03,5.75,0.00,1.35,0.35,0.15))
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "4.4115"
[2,] "Dutch_D" "6.103"
[3,] "CEU25" "6.6756"
[4,] "German_D" "8.5308"
[5,] "Kent_1KG" "8.5788"
[6,] "British_D" "8.6306"
[7,] "British_Isles_D" "8.7857"
[8,] "French" "9.1252"
[9,] "Cornwall_1KG" "9.5826"
[10,] "French_D" "9.8159"
Two way mix mode –
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "74.1% British_D + 25.9% Bulgarians_Y" "1.0815"
[2,] "74.2% Kent_1KG + 25.8% Bulgarians_Y" "1.1205"
[3,] "85.2% Mixed_Germanic_D + 14.8% Bulgarians_Y" "1.1247"
[4,] "73.8% British_Isles_D + 26.2% Bulgarians_Y" "1.1584"
[5,] "85.2% Mixed_Germanic_D + 14.8% Bulgarian_D" "1.2996"
[6,] "74.1% British_D + 25.9% Bulgarian_D" "1.36"
[7,] "25.8% Bulgarian_D + 74.2% Kent_1KG" "1.3872"
[8,] "79% CEU25 + 21% Bulgarians_Y" "1.4182"
[9,] "73.7% British_Isles_D + 26.3% Bulgarian_D" "1.4201"
[10,] "77.6% French + 22.4% Russian_B" "1.4797"
Ran it through Oracle. To be honest I think ORACLE V1 looked better for mixed mode. BUt then again I'm not sure how this compares with others.
[1,] "CEU25" "1.404"
[2,] "British_Isles_D" "1.5554"
[3,] "Dutch_D" "1.8103"
[4,] "British_D" "2.4177"
[5,] "Kent_1KG" "2.5568"
[6,] "Irish_D" "3.193"
[7,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "3.2501"
[8,] "Argyll_1KG" "3.9107"
[9,] "Cornwall_1KG" "4.0116"
[10,] "Orcadian" "4.3632"
[1,] "91.6% Kent_1KG + 8.4% Ukranians_Y" "0.4076"
[2,] "92.1% British_D + 7.9% Ukranians_Y" "0.4363"
[3,] "7.4% Russian_B + 92.6% Kent_1KG" "0.4411"
[4,] "9.6% Polish_D + 90.4% Kent_1KG" "0.4539"
[5,] "87.4% Cornwall_1KG + 12.6% Ukranians_Y" "0.4564"
[6,] "97.9% British_Isles_D + 2.1% Chechens_Y" "0.4973"
[7,] "91% British_D + 9% Polish_D" "0.509"
[8,] "7.6% Belorussian + 92.4% Kent_1KG" "0.5312"
[9,] "97.8% British_Isles_D + 2.2% Lezgins" "0.5497"
[10,] "98% British_Isles_D + 2% Adygei" "0.5508"
My K12a values:
Caucasus 51.7
Southwest_Asian 18.6
Gedrosia 16.9
Mediterranean 10.7
North_European 1.5
Far_Asian 0.6
Siberian 0.0
South_Asian 0.0
West_African 0.0
East_African 0.0
Southeast_Asian 0.0
Northwest_African 0.0
Assyrian_D Mix Mode top 10 matches (after excluding Azeri Jews):
1 "53% Iraq_Jews + 47% Armenians_Y" "1.4147"
2 "47.6% Armenian_D + 52.4% Iraq_Jews" "1.4364"
3 "39.2% Armenian_D + 60.8% Iranian_Jews" "2.001"
4 "61.8% Iranian_Jews + 38.2% Armenians_Y" "2.3646"
5 "25% Armenians + 75% Iranian_Jews" "2.582"
6 "32.1% Armenians + 67.9% Iraq_Jews" "2.9297"
7 "16.3% Georgians + 83.7% Iraq_Jews" "3.3553"
8 "84.6% Iraq_Jews + 15.4% Abhkasians_Y" "3.4881"
9 "19.3% Cypriots + 80.7% Iranian_Jews" "3.6663"
10 "31% Syrians + 69% Armenians_Y" "3.6901"
I followed the instructions, but the Oracle seem not to work for me correctly(getting weird indvidual results but populations seem to work fine though) :(:confused:
So could someone be so nice to run my numbers through the oracle, I'm DOD197?
I'll do it for some money...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Ok then. You are now Swedish. Good? :D
[1,] "Swedish_D" "2.8054"
[2,] "Norwegian_D" "5.872"
[3,] "German_D" "11.1973"
[4,] "Polish_D" "13.5447"
[5,] "Orkney_1KG" "14.408"
[6,] "Argyll_1KG" "15.2"
[7,] "Orcadian" "15.2506"
[8,] "Irish_D" "15.3196"
[9,] "British_Isles_D" "15.4295"
[10,] "CEU25" "15.8123"
[1,] "89.2% Swedish_D + 10.8% Lithuanians" "0.9057"
[2,] "89.2% Swedish_D + 10.8% Lithuanian_D" "0.9102"
[3,] "79.2% Norwegian_D + 20.8% Lithuanian_D" "1.2567"
[4,] "79.3% Norwegian_D + 20.7% Lithuanians" "1.2632"
[5,] "9.7% Finnish_D + 90.3% Swedish_D" "1.3968"
[6,] "88.2% Swedish_D + 11.8% Belorussian" "1.4191"
[7,] "89.7% Swedish_D + 10.3% FIN25" "1.4956"
[8,] "89.5% Swedish_D + 10.5% Russian_B" "1.5273"
[9,] "11.5% Russian_D + 88.5% Swedish_D" "1.5319"
[10,] "90.1% Swedish_D + 9.9% Russian" "1.6241"
I had trouble at first as well as I'm clumsy at the keyboard, all I did was in R type DodecadOracle (c(insert various admixture percentiles without the % sign)) hit enter, then for the two way mix DodecadOracle (c(insert various admixture percentiles without the %sign),mixedmode=T) or something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Would someone be able to run my results through Oracle also? Thanks a lot :)
I am DOD804:
38.40% Caucasus
30.09% Mediterranean
12.5% Southwest_Asian
9.00% North_European
5.8% Northwest_African
1.4% Gedrosia
1.20% South_Asian
0.80% East_African
0.00% West_African
0.00% Far_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Siberian
I see you reordered you percentages from greatest to least so I reorganized them in the default order when one first runs the test in R and got this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sicilianu101
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "S_Italian_D" "4.7098"
[2,] "Sephardic_Jews" "5.4858"
[3,] "Ashkenazi_D" "6.009"
[4,] "Sicilian_D" "6.2423"
[5,] "S_Italian_Sicilian_D" "6.696"
[6,] "Ashkenazy_Jews" "7.5925"
[7,] "Morocco_Jews" "9.5762"
[8,] "Greek_D" "10.9639"
[9,] "C_Italian_D" "13.9262"
[10,] "Cypriots" "14.4133"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "55.2% S_Italian_D + 44.8% Sephardic_Jews" "2.6131"
[2,] "71.4% S_Italian_D + 28.6% Morocco_Jews" "2.9776"
[3,] "87.6% S_Italian_D + 12.4% Palestinian" "3.0023"
[4,] "90.1% S_Italian_D + 9.9% Egyptans" "3.0595"
[5,] "88.6% S_Italian_D + 11.4% Samaritians" "3.1059"
[6,] "87.7% S_Italian_D + 12.3% Jordanians" "3.1303"
[7,] "85.9% S_Italian_D + 14.1% Lebanese" "3.2352"
[8,] "72.6% Sicilian_D + 27.4% Cypriots" "3.3025"
[9,] "87.1% S_Italian_D + 12.9% Druze" "3.4027"
[10,] "93.8% S_Italian_D + 6.2% Yemen_Jews" "3.5124"
I think the non-mixed mode test in V1 was better but for myself the mixed mode in K12a seems accurate for in part, seems strange to be getting Adygei and Lezgins in your list as a Scotsman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
I found it strange to get Mixed_Germanic_D and Dutch_D as my top two before the Utahns and Brits in my list for the basic test, but I ran Mixed_Germanic_D and Dutch_D and they seem to be similar to Brits and Utahns to a degree so it kind of fits for them to make my list. My mixed mode correctly estimated near to 75% British which matches 100% with my pedigree, just the other 25% was off with Bulgarian.
I did something wrong on my calculations as I just found that Dienekes had an individual results tab for the K12a, the results he has for my ID (DOD152) are slightly different from what I came out with.
The updated results:
39.2% Mediterranean
0% Far Asian
0% Siberian
43.4% North European
0.3% South Asian
0% West African
9.5% Caucasus
6.4% Gedrosia
0% East African
1% Southwest Asian
0.2% Southeast Asian
0% Northwest African
Updated Oracle K12a results:
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Mixed_Germanic_D" "3.7376"
[2,] "Dutch_D" "5.3329"
[3,] "CEU25" "5.9841"
[4,] "Kent_1KG" "7.6811"
[5,] "British_D" "7.7421"
[6,] "British_Isles_D" "8.0231"
[7,] "French" "8.6232"
[8,] "Cornwall_1KG" "8.6325"
[9,] "German_D" "8.8972"
[10,] "French_D" "9.3941"
Two way mix mode –
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "76.9% Kent_1KG + 23.1% Bulgarians_Y" "1.0251"
[2,] "76.8% British_D + 23.2% Bulgarians_Y" "1.039"
[3,] "8.1% Greek_D + 91.9% Mixed_Germanic_D" "1.2969"
[4,] "23.1% Bulgarian_D + 76.9% Kent_1KG" "1.3018"
[5,] "76.8% British_D + 23.2% Bulgarian_D" "1.3169"
[6,] "74.9% Cornwall_1KG + 25.1% Bulgarians_Y" "1.3831"
[7,] "92.8% Mixed_Germanic_D + 7.2% S_Italian_D" "1.4595"
[8,] "90% Mixed_Germanic_D + 10% Tuscan" "1.4958"
[9,] "8.8% C_Italian_D + 91.2% Mixed_Germanic_D" "1.5392"
[10,] "90.2% Mixed_Germanic_D + 9.8% O_Italian_D" "1.5448"
I am new here.
Something about the new calculator. I find its Gedrosia component really interesting. It seems to be composed of some West and East European 1/4, West Asian 3/5 and ANI 3/20 from Dodecad v3. Dienekes says BMAC in Central Asia might be possible place of Origin.
Thank you! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreldriver
World 9:
My Results (Sicilian Average)
Southern 41.1% (37.9)
Atlantic_Baltic 31.7% (35.8)
Caucasus_Gedrosia 25.7% (24)
African 1.5% (1.5)
Amerindian 0% (0.1)
Australasian 0% (0.2)
Siberian 0% (0.1)
East_Asian 0% (0.2)
South_Asian 0% (0.1)
My World9 results:
1.3% Amerindian
0% East_Asian
0% African
71.8% Atlantic_Baltic
0.5% Australasian
0% Siberian
12.3% Caucasus_Gedrosia
14% Southern
0.1% South Asian
My results from the Spreadsheet:
0% Amerindian
0% East Asian
0% African
82.5% Atlantic_Baltic
0% Australasian
2.8% Siberian
11% Caucasus_Gedrosia
3.2% Southern
0% South Asian
With the calculator
0.00% Amerindian
0.13% East_Asian
0.00% African
83.05% Atlantic_Baltic
0.00% Australasian
2.75% Siberian
10.43% Caucasus_Gedrosia
3.63% Southern
0.01% South_Asian
Me versus (Russian_D)
1.73% Amerindian (0.7)
0.01% East_Asian (0.4)
0.00% African (0.0)
74.24% Atlantic_Baltic (75.5)
0.48% Australasian (0.3)
2.91% Siberian (5.7)
13.35% Caucasus_Gedrosia (13.8)
5.61% Southern (3.1)
1.69% South_Asian (0.8)
http://lada.gorod.tomsk.ru/uploads/4...317/gojko1.jpg
East_Asian 0.1%
Atlantic_Baltic 46.6%
Australasian 0.8%
Siberian 2.7%
Caucasus_Gedrosia 30.7%
Southern 19%
South_Asian 0.1%
0.8% Denisovan? :icon12:
http://i39.tinypic.com/2h6sxgl.jpg
0% Amerindian
0% East Asian
0% African
75.3% Atlantic_Baltic
0.1% Australasian
0% Siberian
12.2% Caucasus_Gedrosia
12.3% Southern
0% South Asian
Why do these tests randomly come out with 0.1 Siberian or in this case Australasian? Standard error, or am I part Aboriginal? :D
Dienekes explained in the blog that everyone can expect noise within that range. Those small percentages aren't actual admixture basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperivm
Don't have to be, but could be. Actually it is uncertainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreldriver
But if comparing individuals in different runs, they have quite often completely different noise below 1 percent, sometimes this, sometimes that, so it is a lot of cases noise and chance alone.
I still don't see a solid justification for this "Gedrossia" component.
Anyone mind doing that calculator thing that says what the given distance for the individual to the reference population is for DOD115, DOD116, and DOD117
My world 9 results from highest to low:
Caucasus_Gedrosia 46.6%
Southern 32%
Atlantic_Baltic 15.5%
Siberian 3.5%
East_Asian 2.2%
Australasian 0.2%
Amerindian 0%
African 0%
South_Asian 0%
The Turkish average:
Amerindian 0.2%
East_Asian 2.3%
African 0.5%
Atlantic_Baltic 21.2%
Australasian 0.4%
Siberian 3%
Caucasus_Gedrosia 39.5%
Southern 32%
South_Asian 1%
K12a
Caucasus: 52.8
Mediterranean: 12.9
Gedrosia:11.9
Southwest Asian:8.8
North European: 8
Siberian : 3
Far Asian : 2.4
Southeast Asian:0.3
South Asian :0
West African: 0
East African: 0
Northwest African:0
Oracle:
[1,] "Armenians" "6.0341"
[2,] "Turks" "6.6955"
[3,] "Armenian_D" "7.8829"
[4,] "Armenians_Y" "8.189"
[5,] "Turkish_D" "8.8657"
[6,] "Azerbaijan_Jews" "11.7231"
[7,] "Assyrian_D" "12.508"
[8,] "Uzbekistan_Jews" "13.9599"
[9,] "Georgia_Jews" "14.4454"
[10,] "Iranian_Jews" "16.7952"
Mixed mode
[1,] "78.8% Armenian_D + 21.2% Nogais_Y" "3.3308"
[2,] "44.8% Armenian_D + 55.2% Turks" "3.3592"
[3,] "56.4% Turks + 43.6% Armenians_Y" "3.4231"
[4,] "94.4% Armenians + 5.6% Buryat" "3.7775"
[5,] "78.5% Armenians_Y + 21.5% Nogais_Y" "3.7796"
[6,] "54% Armenians + 46% Turks" "3.7796"
[7,] "5.2% Oroqen + 94.8% Armenians" "3.7909"
[8,] "94.1% Armenians + 5.9% Mongol" "3.8839"
[9,] "94.5% Armenians + 5.5% Tuva" "3.9265"
[10,] "47.5% Turkish_D + 52.5% Armenians_Y" "3.9338"
So you're basically an Armenian that has adopted Turkic language:p
I may have some Armenian or Georgian ancestry (not that I know of any but assuming) but almost all Turks match with Armenians, Georgians etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Padre Organtino
Turks, Georgians, Armenians are similar genetically, they cluster similarly in plots. I plot between Turks and Georgians
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/619...ulpfull201.png
So, how is that against my point?:cool: You cluster genetically close to indigenous populations of the region (Indo-European has been imposed upon Armenians by conquerors). At the same time your language is totally foreign - hence you are aboriginal folks that have abandoned their previous ethnicity and identity for a new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangepulp
Did I say it's against your pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Padre Organtino
Present day Turks are dominantly PreTurkic as I stated before. I believe that PreTurkic population of Asia Minor converted to Islam and adapted to the conquerors identity as they were also Muslims therefore assimilated with them and other populations better, resulting to more admixture.
Unlike Turks, the Armenians don't really have any Siberian or Far Asian admixture though.
Armenian_D/Turkish_D
Far Asian 02%/2.3%
Siberian 0.2%/2.7%
The Asian admixture is what makes us different from Armenians, Georgians, Assyrians, etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Clusters Galore (fastIBD edition)
I'm in cluster 7(Scandinavia)
Indo-European language being imposed upon Armenians by conquerors is a theory without any evidence. It was invented for the support of the Kurgan theory. As you said indigenous population of the region were Armenians (as genetic studies have proven); and there's no trace of conquerors with an Indo-European language, that is it was the indigenous language of the region as well, as Indo-European -Armenian place-names date much earlier than the date of a supposed "invading".Quote:
Originally Posted by Padre Organtino
fastIBD analysis of Balkans/West Asia
I am in cluster number ''1'' ( includes Cappadocia (Behar et al.) Turks, Armenians, one Greek, Georgian and Assyrian )
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bhJGvh-Y7A..._west_asia.png
Any idea what ties 14 Turks,5 Armenians, 1 Greek, 1 Assyrian and 1 Georgian together in Cluster #1 ? It seems like an interesting group, but I'm not sure I follow entirely because I don't believe I have ever seen a Greek and a Georgian in a cluster together.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cilicia
Cluster #1 is interesting indeed, we need some experts to inteprete what it means.
We need experts like Padre
whoever doesn't know you might take your hotair seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Padre Organtino
good that your repute as a troll is known by everyone :D
Armenian is very different from neighbouring Indo-Euro languages like Hittian. How could that happen if Armenians spoke it before anyone else and spread the IE languages through the world? The much better hypothesis is that Armenian was imposed upon locals by intruders from Balkans (Armenian indeed has higher degree of similarity with ancient and modern non-slavic Balkan IE languages). In addition Armenians clearly shows signs of pre IE language substrate - most likely Hurrian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naharina
Kurgan theory's validity rests upon the fact that horse domestication and chariots are tied to that cultures and they were key markers of proto-IE. Not to mention that Armenians have almost no R1A haplogroup which is a genetic marker of proto-IE migrations.
Both you and Turks speak languages that are foreign to Anatolia. They are in addition slightly different from an average Anatolian genetically.
By everyone you mean ARmenians? Sorry but absolute majority of local users sees you guys as a bunch of clowns:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Artaxat