Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Now that's more inline with what I was referring to, when I started all this shitstorm.

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well if us having 28% instead of 30% Baltic makes you happy, believe it. :D

i still think we are around 30%. see that bunch of samples with 24-26% Baltic? they would get 99% Greek&Balkan in 23andme. and most Serbs get 10-20% EE in 23andme as you said.

how do you compare to this average btw?

Serbian_Belgrade_academic,24.42,28.12,17.06,9.06,1 7.09,1.48,0.45,0.36,0.73,0.56,0.54,0.1,0.04

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

well if us having 28% instead of 30% Baltic makes you happy, believe it. :D

i still think we are around 30%. see that bunch of samples with 24-26% Baltic? they would get 99% Greek&Balkan in 23andme. and most Serbs get 10-20% EE in 23andme as you said.

how do you compare to this average btw?

Serbian_Belgrade_academic,24.42,28.12,17.06,9.06,1 7.09,1.48,0.45,0.36,0.73,0.56,0.54,0.1,0.04

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Dude, IB thinks the half Tzigane Mortimer looks like an average Serb :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Dude, IB thinks the half Tzigane Mortimer looks like an average Serb :rolleyes:

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Did he actually say that?

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

Did he actually say that?

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Yep, he said he looked to him what he would imagine Serbs looking like.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Yep, he said he looked to him what he would imagine Serbs looking like.

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LOL He obviously has some prejudice toward us.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

well if us having 28% instead of 30% Baltic makes you happy, believe it. :D

i still think we are around 30%. see that bunch of samples with 24-26% Baltic? they would get 99% Greek&Balkan in 23andme. and most Serbs get 10-20% EE in 23andme as you said.

how do you compare to this average btw?

Serbian_Belgrade_academic,24.42,28.12,17.06,9.06,1 7.09,1.48,0.45,0.36,0.73,0.56,0.54,0.1,0.04

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Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
4.41248229	Romania_Moldavia_North
4.89598815	Moldova_North
4.94718102	Romania_Moldavia
5.16774612	Moldova_Centre
5.43127057	Moldova
5.46533622	Serbian_Belgrade_academic
5.83460367	Romania_Moldavia_South
7.87489048	Romanian
8.50426952	Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
8.75925796	Croatian
9.18701801	Hungarian
9.54794219	Moldova_South
10.48739720	Bulgarian
13.57386091	Austrian
14.96605492	East_German
15.66258919	Ukrainian_Lviv
16.49787259	South_Polish
17.12165880	Ukrainian
20.16939513	West_German
20.24129195	Greek_Thessaly
20.38253910	Tatar
20.69568554	Polish
20.71534697	Southwest_Russian
20.99025726	Ukrainian_Belgorod
21.88208400	South_Dutch

^^^^how do you compare with these 2?

Croatian_new,27.49,33.14,15.16,7.79,14.31,1.74,0.9 7,0.30,0.51,0.67,0.33,0.09,0.13
South_Croat_average,25.97,31.99,16.29,7.83,13.15,1 .91,0.47,0.26,0.66,0.58,0.46,0.12,0.19

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Originally Posted by Dušan

LOL He obviously has some prejudice toward us.

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I don't, how is he any different from some full Serbs? Serbia has a lot of phenotypes, just like any other country.

I don't know if Leto's ever been to Serbia, but I have, so I stand by my opinion.
There's no reason for me to have anything against Serbs. You guys are pretty much terra incognita for someone in my region.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/20...rally_0222.jpg
https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1..._620/image.jpg

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

^^^^how do you compare with these 2?

Croatian_new,27.49,33.14,15.16,7.79,14.31,1.74,0.9 7,0.30,0.51,0.67,0.33,0.09,0.13
South_Croat_average,25.97,31.99,16.29,7.83,13.15,1 .91,0.47,0.26,0.66,0.58,0.46,0.12,0.19

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Distance to:	Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA
4.41248229	Romania_Moldavia_North
4.60249932	South_Croat_average
4.89598815	Moldova_North
4.94718102	Romania_Moldavia
5.16774612	Moldova_Centre
5.43127057	Moldova
5.46533622	Serbian_Belgrade_academic
5.83460367	Romania_Moldavia_South
5.84774315	Croatian_new
7.87489048	Romanian
8.50426952	Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
8.75925796	Croatian
9.18701801	Hungarian
9.54794219	Moldova_South
10.48739720	Bulgarian
13.57386091	Austrian
14.96605492	East_German
15.66258919	Ukrainian_Lviv
16.49787259	South_Polish
17.12165880	Ukrainian
20.16939513	West_German
20.24129195	Greek_Thessaly
20.38253910	Tatar
20.69568554	Polish
20.71534697	Southwest_Russian

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I don't, how is he any different from some full Serbs? Serbia has a lot of phenotypes, just like any other country.

I don't know if Leto's ever been to Serbia, but I have, so I stand by my opinion.
There's no reason for me to have anything against Serbs. You guys are pretty much terra incognita for someone in my region.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/20...rally_0222.jpg
https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1..._620/image.jpg

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No, Morti doesnt look like ethnic Serb.

If we are terra incognita why are you desperately arguing that it is impossible that average Baltic among Serbs is 30%?

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Originally Posted by Dušan

No, Morti doesnt look like ethnic Serb.

If we are terra incognita why are you desperately arguing that it is impossible that average Baltic among Serbs is 30%?

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Because first of all it's different compared to credible, non-amateurishly collected sources.
And secondly the difference between Serbs and Croats is pretty starking on commercial tests.

Certainly that can't be explained by a mere 3% difference in Baltic between Serbs (30%) and Croats (33%).

You can choose to believe what you want and so will I.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

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Morti does not look like a Serb lol, he looks like a well-mannered Gypsy.

Serbian academic average from Belgrade is closest to Romanians from Moldova, exactly what some Serbs here want, so you should stop whining.

Distance to: Serbian_Belgrade_academic

1.44551029 Romania_Moldavia_average
1.70830325 Romania_Moldavia_South
1.84913493 Romanian_Average
2.15622355 Bulgarian_Pleven
2.50225898 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
2.50876464 Romania_Moldavia_North
2.80663500 Moldova_average
2.85314086 Serbian_new
3.00419706 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.17997826 Montenegrin
3.22507364 Serb_Croatia
3.51540894 Romanian_Transylvania
3.60070826 Moldova_Centre
3.63024793 Vlach_Timok
3.85272631 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.17329673 Macedonian
4.28925401 Bulgarian_Sofia
4.42793406 Romanian_Oltenia
5.32354669 Bosnian
5.37816883 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.63745510 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.67766677 Macedonian_Northwest
5.79951722 Croat_Split
5.80700331 Serbian_Bosnia
5.89123926 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Morti does not look like a Serb lol, he looks like a well-mannered Gypsy.

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He looks Gypsy more or less yes, but there are ethnic Serbs who look less white than Mortimer.
This guy is minister in Serbian government and extreme nationalist.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ulin-mc.rs.jpg

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Serbian academic average from Belgrade is closest to Romanians from Moldova, exactly what some Serbs here want, so you should stop whining.

Distance to: Serbian_Belgrade_academic

1.44551029 Romania_Moldavia_average
1.70830325 Romania_Moldavia_South
1.84913493 Romanian_Average
2.15622355 Bulgarian_Pleven
2.50225898 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
2.50876464 Romania_Moldavia_North
2.80663500 Moldova_average
2.85314086 Serbian_new
3.00419706 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.17997826 Montenegrin
3.22507364 Serb_Croatia
3.51540894 Romanian_Transylvania
3.60070826 Moldova_Centre
3.63024793 Vlach_Timok
3.85272631 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.17329673 Macedonian
4.28925401 Bulgarian_Sofia
4.42793406 Romanian_Oltenia
5.32354669 Bosnian
5.37816883 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.63745510 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.67766677 Macedonian_Northwest
5.79951722 Croat_Split
5.80700331 Serbian_Bosnia
5.89123926 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora

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Does this change much?
Before this, it was also obvious that there is a genetic continuum throughout the Northern half of Southeast Europe, so from R. Moldova to Croatia and down to Montenegro and Bulgaria.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Because first of all it's different compared to credible, non-amateurishly collected sources.
And secondly the difference between Serbs and Croats is pretty starking on commercial tests.

Certainly that can't be explained by a mere 3% difference in Baltic between Serbs (30%) and Croats (33%).

You can choose to believe what you want and so will I.

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I dont have to believe to anything, as I have 33.78% Baltic and I am closer to Serbian population than to Croatian.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Because first of all it's different compared to credible, non-amateurishly collected sources.

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the only non-amateurish source we have are those Belgrade Serbs and they are pretty similar to Serbian_New. look at other components, not only Baltic.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

And secondly the difference between Serbs and Croats is pretty starking on commercial tests.

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did you read that Eupedia post about 23andme's algorithm?

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Because first of all it's different compared to credible, non-amateurishly collected sources.
And secondly the difference between Serbs and Croats is pretty starking on commercial tests.

Certainly that can't be explained by a mere 3% difference in Baltic between Serbs (30%) and Croats (33%).

You can choose to believe what you want and so will I.

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I dont have to believe to anything, as I have 33.78% Baltic and I am closer to Serbian population than to Croatian.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Does this change much?
Before this, it was also obvious that there is a genetic continuum throughout the Northern half of Southeast Europe, so from R. Moldova to Croatia and down to Montenegro and Bulgaria.

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I mean Dušan claims Serbs are almost same as Moldovans, and here he has his wish fullfilled. Belgrade sample is closest to them and different from Croats.
So he shouldn't complain about it.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I dont have to believe to anything, as I have 33.78% Baltic and I am closer to Serbian population than to Croatian.

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I doubt you are with updated averages. But we know, you won't run them out of fear xD :lol:

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

He looks Gypsy more or less yes, but there are ethnic Serbs who look less white than Mortimer.
This guy is minister in Serbian government and extreme nationalist.

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Aleksandar_Vulin-mc.rs.jpg

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Is that super dark? To me not so much. Only his eyes appear kinda Jewish to me.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Is that super dark? To me not so much. Only his eyes appear kinda Jewish to me.

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He doesn't look Gypsy. Even Vukodav who lives in North Montenegro where Serbs don't live besides Gypsies said he doesn't see any resemblence between him and Mortimer or any other mixed person.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

I doubt you are with updated averages. But we know, you won't run them out of fear xD :lol:

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That new Croatian what you made?

Ok...

https://i.imgur.com/ujEfAf5.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BZ7IQeK.jpg

You are very stupid.

Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

did you read that Eupedia post about 23andme's algorithm?

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I have, but Kurd has an infamy for forging every kind of possible data just to be able to justify his theories.
Just ask Davidski's (the Eurogenes guy) opinion on him and his works.

If I were to see an average of even 40% Baltic with academic Serb samples, then I wouldn't have even started this debate in the first place.
I can fully accept that Dusan is a live Serb that I know with 33%. But how can I know that the rest of the Serbs that are used for the 30% average come in proportionate numbers from all over the country, as opposed to being solely from the North, or solely from the South, etc.?

Did you guys even ask yourselves this?
You can't just gather 50 samples from one place, assume that every Serb in Serbia is similar to people from that place and call it a day.

I don't want to brag, but ideally you should do something like I did. Split your country in 3 halves by latitude (North, Centre, South) and make 3 averages.
Then calculate the average out of these 3 coordinates or weigh them at least appropriately, if for example more Serbs live in the North than South.

^^^^

Yes, I am, I admit xD

@IB, stick to Moldovan results please. There is already a lot of stuff said about Serbs and Croats and not nearly as much about Moldovans.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

It's not inflated, it's representative for Croats of Zagreb who were sampled. K13 updated has Czech and Slovak reference, even Czech_Moravian was made by Andre so you won't get Croatian, don't worry :)

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Where can I find updated K13?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm

Add these averages to source as well

Czech_Moravian,32.84,37.68,11.13,3.61,10.17,0,0.90 ,0,0.35,0.65,1.01,1.66,0
Slovak_West,30.27,38.62,13.26,3.73,7.47,1.71,1.99, 0,1.48,0.79,0.62,0.07,0
Russian_West_Siberia,25.02,46.68,8.63,6.69,2.01,1. 14,1.54,1.09,5.02,1.07,1.01,0,0.1
Vlach_Timok,25.17,26.7,18.87,6.81,17.69,1.75,0.2,0 .54,0.21,0.56,1.71,0,0.33
Romania_Moldavia_average,23.92,27.62,16.56,9.91,16 .68,1.51,0.58,0.43,1.36,0.63,0.46,0.16,0.16
Romania_Moldavia_North,23.82,28.53,15.49,10.61,16. 38,1.41,0.68,0.40,1.25,0.60,0.40,0.22,0.21
Romania_Moldavia_South,24.02,26.76,17.58,9.25,16.9 7,1.60,0.48,0.46,1.47,0.65,0.52,0.10,0.12
Moldova_average,22.51,27.80,16.89,10.65,16.33,2.30 ,0.44,0.62,1.19,0.54,0.42,0.10,0.20
Moldova_North,25.89,33.33,14.92,8.89,11.43,1.48,0. 65,0.56,1.47,0.35,0.61,0.17,0.26
Moldova_Centre,21.89,29.51,16.06,10.47,16.10,1.90, 0.53,0.83,1.14,0.81,0.48,0.08,0.20
Moldova_South,21.51,24.20,18.33,11.54,18.60,2.94,0 .29,0.49,1.11,0.42,0.29,0.10,0.18
Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes,24.50,36.97,13.80,8.11,11 .00,1.03,1.07,0.57,1.66,0.66,0.26,0.12,0.25
Serbian_Belgrade_academic,24.42,28.12,17.06,9.06,1 7.09,1.48,0.45,0.36,0.73,0.56,0.54,0.1,0.04
Croatian_new,27.49,33.14,15.16,7.79,14.31,1.74,0.9 7,0.30,0.51,0.67,0.33,0.09,0.13
South_Croat_average,25.97,31.99,16.29,7.83,13.15,1 .91,0.47,0.26,0.66,0.58,0.46,0.12,0.19

than post your data into target, and than click to distance.

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Originally Posted by Leto

@IB, stick to Moldovan results please. There is already a lot of stuff said about Serbs and Croats and not nearly as much about Moldovans.

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Yeah, but I didn't participate in those discussions.
Nobody has forgot about this thread. I'm just a bit lazy to research today and as a result have a lot of time to chat :lol:

Distance to: Moldova_average

Spoiler!

1.70108789 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
1.72745478 Romanian_Average
1.87699227 Romania_Moldavia_average
2.09148273 Moldova_Centre
2.26567871 Romania_Moldavia_North
2.61371383 Romania_Moldavia_South
2.80663500 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
3.19970311 Bulgarian_Sofia
3.69460417 Romanian_Transylvania
3.75818976 Montenegrin
4.00058746 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.03681805 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.15356473 Serb_Croatia
4.18015275 Macedonian
4.21262201 Serbian_new
4.21480723 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.25997653 Romanian_Oltenia
4.73979957 Moldova_South
4.74774683 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.35325135 Macedonian_Northwest
5.52326896 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.64087759 Vlach_Timok
5.69025483 Bulgarian
5.69641993 Turk_N-Macedonia
5.86026450 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina

Distance to: Moldova_North

Spoiler!

2.13447886 Moldavian
2.96767586 South_Croat_average
3.12213068 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.14682380 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
3.15672100 Serbian_Bosnia
3.37722242 Croat_Bosnia
3.39799941 Croat_Split
3.46428867 Bosnian
3.61809342 Bosniak_Tuzla
3.67714563 Croatian_new
4.02769165 Croat_Zagreb
4.16833300 Romanian_Botosani
4.22678365 Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
4.75384055 Szekely
4.81691058 Slovenian
4.87941595 HungarianTA
5.12046873 Csango_Gymes
5.36417748 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
5.44678135 Serbian_new
5.55288213 Serb_Croatia
6.00307421 Hungarian_New
6.97602322 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
7.43653817 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.53724751 Moldova_Centre
7.92801971 Slovak

Distance to: Moldova_Centre

Spoiler!

2.09148273 Moldova_average
2.37444730 Romania_Moldavia_North
2.87311677 Romanian_Average
2.99946662 Romania_Moldavia_average
3.05646855 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
3.60070826 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
3.92341688 Bulgarian_Sofia
3.92895641 Serbian_new
4.00918944 Serb_Croatia
4.02873429 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.12642703 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.69429441 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.82419416 Bosnian
4.95975806 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.22387787 Romanian_Botosani
5.36156694 Romanian_Transylvania
5.58303466 Montenegrin
5.88396658 Macedonian
5.94286126 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.97768350 Turk_N-Macedonia
6.11987745 Romanian_Oltenia
6.25586125 South_Croat_average
6.29370618 Serbian_Bosnia
6.42719223 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.50638148 Moldova_South

Distance to: Moldova_South

Spoiler!

1.45972600 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
1.74045971 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
2.05282732 Bulgarian
2.38226783 Macedonian_Northwest
2.74189036 Macedonian
2.82906345 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
3.19228758 Pomak_Nevrokopi
3.32804748 Romanian_Oltenia
4.04487330 Bulgarian_Central
4.10392495 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.24418426 Macedonian_Central
4.40289464 North_Macedonian
4.40919494 Bulgarian_Sofia
4.59486670 Macedonian_North
4.63815130 Montenegrin
4.73979957 Moldova_average
4.74313188 Romanian_Muntenia
4.77941419 Romanian_Transylvania
4.83619685 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.89860184 Bulgarian_Serres
5.13846281 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.20226874 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
5.24113537 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.32456571 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
5.38136600 Macedonian_East

Distance to: Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes

Spoiler!

3.27042811 Bosniak_Tuzla
3.62706493 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
3.63384094 Croat_Zagreb
4.08439714 Moldavian
4.22678365 Moldova_North
5.26832991 Romanian_Botosani
6.20055643 Croatian_new
6.33583459 South_Croat_average
6.34325437 Bosnian
6.46584005 Serbian_Bosnia
6.50229190 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
6.51058609 Croat_Bosnia
6.70842959 Slovenian
6.97881795 Croat_Split
7.38051777 Slovak
7.91394971 HungarianTA
8.28140689 Csango_Gymes
8.35642866 Slovak_West
8.36409589 Ukrainian_Lviv
8.44511101 Szekely
8.64366820 Hungarian_New
8.71167025 Serbian_new
8.75024000 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
8.81249113 Serb_Croatia
9.21028773 Kaykavian_Croatian

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Distance to: Moldova_average

Spoiler!

1.70108789 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
1.72745478 Romanian_Average
1.87699227 Romania_Moldavia_average
2.09148273 Moldova_Centre
2.26567871 Romania_Moldavia_North
2.61371383 Romania_Moldavia_South
2.80663500 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
3.19970311 Bulgarian_Sofia
3.69460417 Romanian_Transylvania
3.75818976 Montenegrin
4.00058746 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.03681805 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.15356473 Serb_Croatia
4.18015275 Macedonian
4.21262201 Serbian_new
4.21480723 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.25997653 Romanian_Oltenia
4.73979957 Moldova_South
4.74774683 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.35325135 Macedonian_Northwest
5.52326896 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
5.64087759 Vlach_Timok
5.69025483 Bulgarian
5.69641993 Turk_N-Macedonia
5.86026450 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina

Distance to: Moldova_North

Spoiler!

2.13447886 Moldavian
2.96767586 South_Croat_average
3.12213068 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.14682380 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
3.15672100 Serbian_Bosnia
3.37722242 Croat_Bosnia
3.39799941 Croat_Split
3.46428867 Bosnian
3.61809342 Bosniak_Tuzla
3.67714563 Croatian_new
4.02769165 Croat_Zagreb
4.16833300 Romanian_Botosani
4.22678365 Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes
4.75384055 Szekely
4.81691058 Slovenian
4.87941595 HungarianTA
5.12046873 Csango_Gymes
5.36417748 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
5.44678135 Serbian_new
5.55288213 Serb_Croatia
6.00307421 Hungarian_New
6.97602322 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
7.43653817 Romania_Moldavia_North
7.53724751 Moldova_Centre
7.92801971 Slovak

Distance to: Moldova_Centre

Spoiler!

2.09148273 Moldova_average
2.37444730 Romania_Moldavia_North
2.87311677 Romanian_Average
2.99946662 Romania_Moldavia_average
3.05646855 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
3.60070826 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
3.92341688 Bulgarian_Sofia
3.92895641 Serbian_new
4.00918944 Serb_Croatia
4.02873429 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.12642703 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.69429441 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.82419416 Bosnian
4.95975806 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.22387787 Romanian_Botosani
5.36156694 Romanian_Transylvania
5.58303466 Montenegrin
5.88396658 Macedonian
5.94286126 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.97768350 Turk_N-Macedonia
6.11987745 Romanian_Oltenia
6.25586125 South_Croat_average
6.29370618 Serbian_Bosnia
6.42719223 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
6.50638148 Moldova_South

Distance to: Moldova_South

Spoiler!

1.45972600 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
1.74045971 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
2.05282732 Bulgarian
2.38226783 Macedonian_Northwest
2.74189036 Macedonian
2.82906345 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
3.19228758 Pomak_Nevrokopi
3.32804748 Romanian_Oltenia
4.04487330 Bulgarian_Central
4.10392495 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.24418426 Macedonian_Central
4.40289464 North_Macedonian
4.40919494 Bulgarian_Sofia
4.59486670 Macedonian_North
4.63815130 Montenegrin
4.73979957 Moldova_average
4.74313188 Romanian_Muntenia
4.77941419 Romanian_Transylvania
4.83619685 Romania_Moldavia_South
4.89860184 Bulgarian_Serres
5.13846281 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.20226874 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes
5.24113537 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.32456571 Bulgarian_Pazardzhik
5.38136600 Macedonian_East

Distance to: Moldova_Romanian/Moldovan+Ukrainian_Mixes

Spoiler!

3.27042811 Bosniak_Tuzla
3.62706493 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
3.63384094 Croat_Zagreb
4.08439714 Moldavian
4.22678365 Moldova_North
5.26832991 Romanian_Botosani
6.20055643 Croatian_new
6.33583459 South_Croat_average
6.34325437 Bosnian
6.46584005 Serbian_Bosnia
6.50229190 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
6.51058609 Croat_Bosnia
6.70842959 Slovenian
6.97881795 Croat_Split
7.38051777 Slovak
7.91394971 HungarianTA
8.28140689 Csango_Gymes
8.35642866 Slovak_West
8.36409589 Ukrainian_Lviv
8.44511101 Szekely
8.64366820 Hungarian_New
8.71167025 Serbian_new
8.75024000 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
8.81249113 Serb_Croatia
9.21028773 Kaykavian_Croatian

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Basically all the South Slavic flavour in one country

Distance to: Romania_Moldavia_average

Spoiler!

0.84545846 Romanian_Average
1.26917296 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
1.44551029 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
1.53297097 Romania_Moldavia_South
1.61449683 Romania_Moldavia_North
1.87699227 Moldova_average
2.69766566 Bulgarian_Pleven
2.97238317 Montenegrin
2.99946662 Moldova_Centre
3.06903894 Romanian_Transylvania
3.38585269 Serbian_new
3.43206935 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.68019021 Serb_Croatia
3.84776559 Romanian_Oltenia
3.87940717 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.01307754 Macedonian
4.16117772 Bulgarian_Sofia
4.64043101 Vlach_Timok
5.11796835 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.31697282 Macedonian_Northwest
5.31947366 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.40858577 Moldova_South
5.46168472 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.49618255 Bosnian
6.02782714 Bulgarian

Distance to: Romania_Moldavia_North

Spoiler!

1.61449683 Romania_Moldavia_average
1.70522726 Romanian_Average
1.95698748 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
2.26567871 Moldova_average
2.37444730 Moldova_Centre
2.50876464 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
3.14741163 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.24124071 Serbian_new
3.26684863 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.74507677 Bulgarian_Pleven
3.81562577 Serb_Croatia
4.12778391 Romanian_Transylvania
4.16587381 Montenegrin
4.61018438 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
4.66883240 Bosnian
4.81866164 Romanian_Oltenia
4.94677673 Bulgarian_Sofia
5.13162658 Macedonian
5.23130959 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.35927234 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.68917393 Szekely
5.88880187 Serbian_Bosnia
5.99829976 Vlach_Timok
6.00596370 South_Croat_average
6.03619914 Croat_Split

Distance to: Romania_Moldavia_South

Spoiler!

1.53297097 Romania_Moldavia_average
1.70830325 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
1.85720220 Romanian_Average
2.07894204 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
2.36032480 Montenegrin
2.38838858 Bulgarian_Pleven
2.61371383 Moldova_average
2.64503308 Romanian_Transylvania
2.86276091 Bosniak_Sandzak
3.14741163 Romania_Moldavia_North
3.34891111 Macedonian
3.41252106 Romanian_Oltenia
3.55463078 Vlach_Timok
3.92275413 Bulgarian_Sofia
4.12642703 Moldova_Centre
4.14656466 Serbian_new
4.17161839 Serb_Croatia
4.20279669 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.30502033 Macedonian_Northwest
4.83619685 Moldova_South
4.83873951 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.15250425 Romanian_Muntenia
5.34941118 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.45730703 Bulgarian_Central
5.54368109 Bulgarian_Gabrovo

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I don't, how is he any different from some full Serbs? Serbia has a lot of phenotypes, just like any other country.

I don't know if Leto's ever been to Serbia, but I have, so I stand by my opinion.
There's no reason for me to have anything against Serbs. You guys are pretty much terra incognita for someone in my region.

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Romanians look quite different than Serbs on average. I noticed that, and this is also opinion of some other people of various ethnicities.

Seya visited Belgrade in this January, and she said Serbs are significant lighter pigmented than Romanians, taller, more western looking and have longer faces than Romanians. This is her original post https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6568439

Vlach_Timok is probably very good proxy for eastern Serbs.

Distance to: Vlach_Timok

3.55463078 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.63024793 Serbian_Belgrade_academic
3.65253337 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.07992647 Bosniak_Sandzak
4.30111335 Montenegrin
4.64043101 Romania_Moldavia_average
4.90905286 Romanian_Transylvania
4.96501531 Macedonian
5.00285918 Romanian_Average
5.35421329 Serb_Croatia
5.37326436 Serbian_new
5.39497915 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.50182697 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
5.55172045 Bulgarian_Sofia
5.64087759 Moldova_average
5.65254810 Romanian_Oltenia
5.85214491 Macedonian_Northwest
5.88058671 Romanian_Muntenia
5.99829976 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.12396930 Bulgarian_Central
6.17001621 Pomak_Plovdiv
6.54398197 Bulgarian_Serres
6.71962797 Moldova_Centre
6.72614303 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
6.73775927 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Romanians look quite different than Serbs on average. I noticed that, and this is also opinion of some other people of various ethnicity.

Seya visited Belgrade in this January, and she said Serbs are singificant lighter pigmented than Romanians, taller, more western looking and have longer faces than Romanians. This is her original post https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6568439

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I don't see how this changes anything about my opinion. I saw you guys from the perspective of someone raised in R. Moldova, not Romania.
Kenyan Masai are also tall and Papuans are blond.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Romanians look quite different than Serbs on average. I noticed that, and this is also opinion of some other people of various ethnicities.

Seya visited Belgrade in this January, and she said Serbs are singificant lighter pigmented than Romanians, taller, more western looking and have longer faces than Romanians. This is her original post https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6568439

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A lot of men look like member Dusan

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This is true.

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Originally Posted by Dick

This is true.

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He looks very Serb, but let's not delude yourself, average Serb had brown eyes and dark brown hair while he has blue eyes and light brown hair.
Serbs are dark people on average.

A descendant of Crimean Bulgarians who would have also lived in Bessarabia before settling in Crimea (full Bulgarian)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 22.19
2 North_Atlantic 22.13
3 East_Med 19.22
4 West_Med 17.51
5 West_Asian 12.44
6 Red_Sea 4.36
7 Siberian 1.73
8 South_Asian 0.31
9 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.4
2 Romanian 3.99
3 Serbian 7.91
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.6
5 Moldavian 13.49
6 Tuscan 14.17
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.4
8 Central_Greek 15.06
9 North_Italian 15.31
10 Hungarian 16.05
11 West_Sicilian 16.2
12 East_Sicilian 16.28
13 Croatian 16.56
14 Ashkenazi 18.2
15 Austrian 18.5
16 South_Italian 19.42
17 East_German 20.54
18 French 20.97
19 Portuguese 21.08
20 West_German 21.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.3% Romanian + 9.7% Syrian @ 1.98
2 91.2% Romanian + 8.8% Bedouin @ 1.99
3 60.3% Central_Greek + 39.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.03
4 54% South_Italian + 46% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.05
5 69.5% Central_Greek + 30.5% Estonian @ 2.05
6 68.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.1% Erzya @ 2.07
7 91.4% Romanian + 8.6% Samaritan @ 2.1
8 61.3% Central_Greek + 38.7% South_Polish @ 2.1
9 90.5% Romanian + 9.5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.13
10 93.2% Romanian + 6.8% Saudi @ 2.18
11 91.8% Romanian + 8.2% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.19
12 90.1% Romanian + 9.9% Cyprian @ 2.21
13 91.3% Romanian + 8.7% Jordanian @ 2.21
14 91.5% Romanian + 8.5% Palestinian @ 2.21
15 64.6% Central_Greek + 35.4% Polish @ 2.22
16 51.7% Moldavian + 48.3% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.22
17 68.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 31.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.24
18 69.2% Central_Greek + 30.8% Finnish @ 2.24
19 52.8% Moldavian + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 2.25
20 52.4% Central_Greek + 47.6% Croatian @ 2.27

Half Crimean German, half Crimean Bulgarian

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.94
2 Baltic 22.12
3 West_Med 15.42
4 East_Med 14.63
5 West_Asian 7.32
6 Red_Sea 3.47
7 South_Asian 1.85
8 East_Asian 1.05
9 Oceanian 0.76
10 Siberian 0.32
11 Amerindian 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 7.36
2 Romanian 9.31
3 Austrian 9.86
4 Hungarian 10.06
5 West_German 10.68
6 French 10.97
7 Bulgarian 12.04
8 South_Dutch 12.16
9 East_German 12.35
10 Moldavian 13.43
11 North_Italian 13.81
12 Croatian 14.3
13 Portuguese 14.74
14 Spanish_Galicia 15.12
15 Spanish_Cataluna 15.5
16 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.33
17 Spanish_Extremadura 16.41
18 Tuscan 16.59
19 North_German 16.78
20 Spanish_Murcia 16.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.1% North_Swedish + 49.9% West_Sicilian @ 2.11
2 76.5% Austrian + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.35
3 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Swedish @ 2.37
4 76.7% Austrian + 23.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.47
5 55.2% Greek_Thessaly + 44.8% Norwegian @ 2.51
6 50.6% North_German + 49.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.56
7 52.5% Greek_Thessaly + 47.5% Danish @ 2.57
8 78.7% Austrian + 21.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.62
9 69.4% Austrian + 30.6% West_Sicilian @ 2.65
10 72.1% East_German + 27.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.67
11 52.8% Greek_Thessaly + 47.2% North_Dutch @ 2.68
12 54.1% Swedish + 45.9% East_Sicilian @ 2.74
13 78.9% Austrian + 21.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.75
14 55.3% North_Swedish + 44.7% South_Italian @ 2.78
15 60.9% Serbian + 39.1% French @ 2.8
16 77.2% Austrian + 22.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.84
17 51.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 48.5% North_Swedish @ 2.92
18 55.7% Swedish + 44.3% Ashkenazi @ 2.93
19 56.8% Tuscan + 43.2% North_Swedish @ 2.95
20 72.3% East_German + 27.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.96

Half Crimean Bulgarian, half Ural Russian (Perm krai)

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.87
2 North_Atlantic 23.39
3 West_Med 10.66
4 West_Asian 10.04
5 East_Med 9.89
6 Siberian 5.13
7 South_Asian 2.01
8 Red_Sea 1.53
9 Amerindian 1.14
10 East_Asian 0.95
11 Oceanian 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.85
2 Croatian 7.33
3 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.46
4 Hungarian 9.89
5 Ukrainian 10.8
6 South_Polish 11
7 Serbian 11.24
8 Southwest_Russian 12.58
9 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.91
10 Tatar 13.58
11 Romanian 13.81
12 Polish 14
13 East_German 14.57
14 Austrian 14.59
15 Kargopol_Russian 15
16 Russian_Smolensk 15.03
17 Estonian_Polish 15.55
18 Bulgarian 15.57
19 Erzya 16.13
20 Belorussian 16.25

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.8% Kargopol_Russian + 33.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.99
2 80% Moldavian + 20% Chuvash @ 2.29
3 71.3% Moldavian + 28.7% Tatar @ 2.3
4 83.7% Moldavian + 16.3% Mari @ 2.44
5 67.3% Kargopol_Russian + 32.7% Central_Greek @ 2.48
6 70.2% Kargopol_Russian + 29.8% South_Italian @ 2.54
7 65.2% Erzya + 34.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.58
8 66.1% Croatian + 33.9% Tatar @ 2.65
9 68.2% Kargopol_Russian + 31.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.81
10 54% Romanian + 46% Erzya @ 2.89
11 64.4% Erzya + 35.6% Tuscan @ 2.96
12 73% Kargopol_Russian + 27% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.98
13 61.8% Kargopol_Russian + 38.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.13
14 52.2% Romanian + 47.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.15
15 66.8% Estonian + 33.2% Turkish @ 3.16
16 68.3% Kargopol_Russian + 31.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.17
17 51% Kargopol_Russian + 49% Bulgarian @ 3.23
18 66.6% Erzya + 33.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.28
19 84.5% Croatian + 15.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.35
20 66.6% Serbian + 33.4% Chuvash @ 3.4

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

He looks very Serb, but let's not delude yourself, average Serb had brown eyes and dark brown hair while he has blue eyes and light brown hair.
Serbs are dark people on average.

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Light brown/hazel eyes are more common among Serbs, and after that blue.

Most common hair color is dark brown among men, and medium brown among women. Women are lighter pigmented on average than men, but I suppose it's case in every European ethnicity.

Serbs are not swarthy or with olive skin color as classic southern Euro Meds. In skin color Serbs are quite closer to central Euros than to Greeks, South Italians and so on.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I have, but Kurd has an infamy for forging every kind of possible data just to be able to justify his theories.
Just ask Davidski's (the Eurogenes guy) opinion on him and his works.

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23andme's algorithm is definitely like that. i don't really see how that would help Kurd's theories.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

If I were to see an average of even 40% Baltic with academic Serb samples, then I wouldn't have even started this debate in the first place.
I can fully accept that Dusan is a live Serb that I know with 33%. But how can I know that the rest of the Serbs that are used for the 30% average come in proportionate numbers from all over the country, as opposed to being solely from the North, or solely from the South, etc.?

Did you guys even ask yourselves this?
You can't just gather 50 samples from one place, assume that every Serb in Serbia is similar to people from that place and call it a day.

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Serbian_new is the average of a dozen members of one Serbian forum. one of them is from Kosovo, one from Vojvodina, one from Croatia, etc. so they fit that criterium.
the Serbian average always turns out like that (similar to Serbian_new) on any group of Serbs larger than 10.

my Serbian+Montenegrin average from 100 samples:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Autosomal-DNA

Serbian average from the site www.macure.net from 69 samples, mostly Serbs from Croatia.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6579292

and also the Serbian new, Serb_Croatia and Serb_Bosnia from Vahaduo, and the Serb_academic_Belgrade i just made.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I don't want to brag, but ideally you should do something like I did. Split your country in 3 halves by latitude (North, Centre, South) and make 3 averages.
Then calculate the average out of these 3 coordinates or weigh them at least appropriately, if for example more Serbs live in the North than South.

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the ideal is to split by historical and geographical borders, because they prevented gene flow. or to group genetically similar individuals together. splitting into halves by latitude might group genetically distant people together.