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12-18-2019, 11:04 PM
Jana

https://i.imgur.com/BG4Vcgg.png

https://i.imgur.com/6udT13H.png

:thumb001::thumb001:

Good night
12-18-2019, 11:48 PM
Voyt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

Compared to the other four Szekler samples (including your mom), you seem to be a bit atypical. Your Baltic and NA scores are significantly different than that of other Szeklers. You get 23% Baltic while the four other Szekler samples range from 28-34% for example.

Here are the distances for you and your mom in case you're interested:

Code:

Distance to: Szekely_Harghita 6.57028919 Serbian 7.31385671 Szekely 8.68095041 Romanian 8.91351221 Csango_Gymes 10.28211554 Hungarian 10.44558759 Romanian_NorthMoldova 10.51534117 Romanian_SouthMoldova 10.59561230 Serbian_Bosnia 11.41228204 North_Macedonian 11.57418248 Romanian_Muntenia 11.97250600 Bulgarian 12.10280546 Austrian 12.97408571 Moldavian 14.61010951 West_German 14.67437222 Croatian 14.67741122 East_German 15.68618500 Albanian 16.13717138 French 16.55376090 South_Dutch 16.74727739 Czech 17.79896345 North_Italian 19.06300344 Greek_Thessaly 19.99565203 Portuguese 20.12848479 Tuscan 20.56283541 Spanish_Galicia

Code:

Distance to: Kokeny_mom 2.61333121 Szekely 3.69089420 Serbian 4.33343974 Csango_Gymes 5.08643293 Serbian_Bosnia 5.33487582 Romanian_NorthMoldova 6.37115374 Szekely_Harghita 7.52511129 Hungarian 7.55863083 Moldavian 7.98695186 Romanian_SouthMoldova 8.00615388 Romanian 9.38358141 Croatian 10.38082367 Romanian_Muntenia 11.14372020 Bulgarian 11.56461413 Austrian 11.89177368 North_Macedonian 13.25301852 Czech 13.28402800 East_German 16.40858617 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.67068085 South_Polish 17.07353508 Albanian 17.63673156 West_German 17.78807466 Ukrainian 19.36667757 South_Dutch 19.80282051 French 20.32069635 Greek_Thessaly

She gets it at a very close distance now. Are you planning on testing your father? I guess he'll have the most interesting results.

Since Szekely cluster so close to Serbs, does this mean that Serbs are larger descendants of Avars than Croats and Bosnians?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...582-612_AD.jpg
12-18-2019, 11:56 PM
Voyt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G

:)

Target: Mr.G
Distance: 2.6416% / 2.64160132
49.8 Szekely_Harghita
37.4 North_German
12.8 Southwest_English

how recent is your szekely parent in America?
12-19-2019, 12:17 AM
Jana

Can't sleep :(

EU test is really decent, their modeling works best for me. I am basically West-Slavic like with extra neolithic and CHG admixture.

https://i.imgur.com/vKjHZXB.png
12-19-2019, 12:25 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Can't sleep :(

EU test is really decent, their modeling works best for me. I am basically West-Slavic like with extra neolithic and CHG admixture.

https://i.imgur.com/vKjHZXB.png

Yep just needs more samples
12-19-2019, 12:32 AM
Luke35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voight

how recent is your szekely parent in America?

No my dad's family are Hungarians from Hungary. His maternal side is from Western Hungary, paternal side is from Eastern Hungary. No Szekely.

The combo of Northern Germany/English in that particular result probably plots a little bit North and West of my maternal side. So, with that small shift, Szekely then fits as my other half.
12-19-2019, 12:41 AM
Luke35

Just for fun, I took my mom's result and my result and went half/half on each component. For instance, if my mom gets 45% North Atlantic, and I get 38%, the difference is 7%. So I take 38% - 7% = 32% North Atlantic for my dad. I did that for every component, made a theoretical kit for him, and plugged in the result:

Distance to: Mr.G-dad
5.10509001 Hungarian
6.18576301 Csango_Gymes
6.42302296 Austrian
6.63315189 Szekely
7.46847968 Slovenian
7.63765173 Kaykavian_Croatian
8.30401373 East_German
9.11297654 Serbian_Bosnia
9.48926362 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.12259716 Bosnian
10.30034547 Serbian_new
10.34613360 Slovak
10.38479099 Croatian
10.56696664 Moldavian
10.59972566 Czech
10.64391488 Southern_Croat
11.61325966 Montenegrin
11.93755268 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
12.46010209 West_German
13.17242666 Romanian_Oltenia
14.02111279 South_Dutch
14.44991541 Macedonian
15.62949788 South_Polish
15.80664114 French
16.01078836 Ukrainian_Lviv
12-19-2019, 12:44 AM
Voyt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G

No my dad's family are Hungarians from Hungary. His maternal side is from Western Hungary, paternal side is from Eastern Hungary. No Szekely.

The combo of Northern Germany/English in that particular result probably plots a little bit North and West of my maternal side. So, with that small shift, Szekely then fits as my other half.

This is why I don't trust all these % whatever + % whatever
12-19-2019, 12:46 AM
Lemgrant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Can't sleep :(

EU test is really decent, their modeling works best for me. I am basically West-Slavic like with extra neolithic and CHG admixture.

https://i.imgur.com/vKjHZXB.png

Show your distance table for EUtest
12-19-2019, 12:47 AM
Dick

My father’s K23b

Distance to: Dick-dad

5.79459231 Serb_Serbia
6.31726207 Montenegrian
6.63110850 German-Volga
7.62754220 Bulgarian
8.01280850 Macedonian
8.56452567 South_German
8.90767646 Austrian
9.56622182 Italian_North
9.83224288 Serb_BH
9.93675500 German_East
10.46808961 Croat
11.04240463 Dutch
11.06821124 Bosnian
11.21945186 Hungarian_Budapest
11.59082827 Belgian
11.78454496 Hungarian
12.04349202 Frisian
12.18812947 Slovenian
12.43222024 Irish
12.46667157 English
12.93983385 North_German
13.30245466 Croat_BH
13.40989560 Gagauz
13.46734569 Kosovar
13.47630884 Romanian

Target: Dick-dad

Distance: 0.5585% / 0.55851642
16.0 Frisian
15.4 Greek_Thessaly
12.0 Kashub
10.2 Latvian
8.2 Sicilian_East
7.4 South_German
5.2 Croat_BH
4.0 Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS
2.8 Armenian
2.8 Greek_Northwest
2.8 Sorb
2.4 Basque_Spanish
1.8 Christian_Arabs_Israel
1.8 North_German
1.4 Sardinian
1.2 Georgian
1.0 Georgian_Imereti
0.6 Austrian
0.6 Eskimo_Naukan
0.6 Georgian_Laz
0.6 West_Greenland
0.4 Haida
0.4 Huichol
0.4 Koinanbe

Target: Dick-dad

Distance: 1.3041% / 1.30406031 | ADC: 0.25x
39.4 Bulgarian
34.4 German-Volga
14.4 South_German
9.4 Montenegrian
1.0 West_Greenland
0.8 Tsimsian
0.4 Italian_North
0.2 BedouinB

Target: Dick-dad

Distance: 2.0980% / 2.09796659 | ADC: 0.5x
50.0 German-Volga
25.0 Montenegrian
24.6 Bulgarian
0.4 Italian_North

Target: Dick-dad

Distance: 2.6174% / 2.61737294 | ADC: 1x
52.8 Montenegrian
47.2 German-Volga

Target: Dick-dad

Distance: 4.2272% / 4.22723132 | ADC: 2x
75.6 Serb_Serbia
24.4 German-Volga

Strange that ADC 2x didn't erase German Volga. How Slavic is it
12-19-2019, 12:55 AM
Luke35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voight

This is why I don't trust all these % whatever + % whatever

Right, you can't take them at face value that's for sure. One thing that has really helped me is that my mom is on GEDmatch too, so I know how she scores. Because she gets South Dutch #1 in populations, I can then look at my 50/50 splits and see that I do indeed get split South Dutch/Hungarian - reinforces the possibility that my father would score Hungarian as his first population. Without this added info from my mother's result, I would have been doing a lot more guessing.
12-19-2019, 01:55 AM
Luke35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G

Just for fun, I took my mom's result and my result and went half/half on each component. For instance, if my mom gets 45% North Atlantic, and I get 38%, the difference is 7%. So I take 38% - 7% = 32% North Atlantic for my dad. I did that for every component, made a theoretical kit for him, and plugged in the result:

Distance to: Mr.G-dad
5.10509001 Hungarian
6.18576301 Csango_Gymes
6.42302296 Austrian
6.63315189 Szekely
7.46847968 Slovenian
7.63765173 Kaykavian_Croatian
8.30401373 East_German
9.11297654 Serbian_Bosnia
9.48926362 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
10.12259716 Bosnian
10.30034547 Serbian_new
10.34613360 Slovak
10.38479099 Croatian
10.56696664 Moldavian
10.59972566 Czech
10.64391488 Southern_Croat
11.61325966 Montenegrin
11.93755268 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
12.46010209 West_German
13.17242666 Romanian_Oltenia
14.02111279 South_Dutch
14.44991541 Macedonian
15.62949788 South_Polish
15.80664114 French
16.01078836 Ukrainian_Lviv

Compare to his Eurogenes K15, which I estimated using the same method as above.

Distance to: Mr.G-dad
6.28683545 Hungarian
8.36756559 Slovenian
8.91938759 Szekely
9.61651704 Kaykavian_Croatian
9.79043105 Slovak
10.21380928 Austrian
10.22384468 East_German
10.89729673 Bosnian
10.97814277 Serbian_Bosnia
11.04895470 Croatian
11.84444173 Moldavian
12.01658853 Serbian
13.33162031 Ukrainian_Lviv
13.43349089 Montenegrin
14.23998596 South_Polish
14.55301687 Romanian
14.95774381 Ukrainian
15.14817481 West_German
15.61950605 Macedonian
16.50950938 Southwest_Finnish
16.72143834 North_German
16.98935255 Polish
17.31774235 Finnish
17.41192120 French
17.84699695 Bulgarian
12-19-2019, 03:22 AM
Cumansky

MDLP K23b

0x

Target: Cumansky_Father
Distance: 2.9180% / 2.91803781
44.8 Latvian
26.8 Serb_Serbia
17.6 Serb_BH
5.8 Frisian
4.6 Lithuanian
0.4 Karitiana
12-19-2019, 03:24 AM
Cumansky

What kind of Serb is that?
12-19-2019, 03:35 AM
Dick

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cumansky

What kind of Serb is that?

I2a1b3 człowiek cheddar ahahhaha
12-19-2019, 03:44 AM
Cumansky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick

I2a1b3 człowiek cheddar ahahhaha

This the Bran Castle Serbs or what
12-19-2019, 05:01 AM
Ljubic

Distance to: Ljubic-Dad
2.94245068 Bosnian
3.23188799 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.76884598 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.89253662 Serbian_new
3.95490044 Serbian_Bosnia
4.38734544 Moldavian
5.33645013 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
5.75703048 Szekely
6.05145437 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
6.40815106 Csango_Gymes
7.59501810 Croatian
7.92424699 Montenegrin
8.35285403 Slovenian
9.25499865 Romanian_Oltenia
9.32309222 Macedonian

Looks good. Also nuce that Romanians got split into multiple clusters. A country with such a big population shouldnt be put into one category.
12-19-2019, 05:23 AM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ljubic

Distance to: Ljubic-Dad
2.94245068 Bosnian
3.23188799 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.76884598 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
3.89253662 Serbian_new
3.95490044 Serbian_Bosnia
4.38734544 Moldavian
5.33645013 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
5.75703048 Szekely
6.05145437 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
6.40815106 Csango_Gymes
7.59501810 Croatian
7.92424699 Montenegrin
8.35285403 Slovenian
9.25499865 Romanian_Oltenia
9.32309222 Macedonian

Looks good. Also nuce that Romanians got split into multiple clusters. A country with such a big population shouldnt be put into one category.

Nice results, fit his ancestry well. I used him as one of samples for Morlach cluster, btw :P
12-19-2019, 05:51 AM
17571imre

6.40052342 Szekely
7.30343070 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
7.44680468 Csango_Gymes
7.49268300 Serbian_new
7.57414995 Montenegrin
7.60630577 Serbian_Bosnia
7.76620242 Hungarian
8.50508083 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
8.72234072 Slovenian
8.75270244 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
8.79205528 Bosnian
9.23349880 Romanian_Oltenia
9.31366201 Austrian
10.21732170 Macedonian
10.95488019 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
10.98421140 Moldavian
11.08027075 Kaykavian_Croatian
11.29292256 Romanian_Muntenia
11.64149475 East_German
11.73996593 Croatian
12.05286610 North_Macedonian
12.57828685 Bulgarian
12.96335294 Slovak
13.79458227 Czech

i am closest to szekely now wich is not suprising because a lot of my family is from transylvania.
12-19-2019, 06:03 AM
harutsafaryan07

i updated Armenians and Turkey Kurds for Eurogenes K13

Quote:

Armenian_East,3.34,2.6,11.32,39.4,34.05,5.27,2.98, 0.22,0.1,0.17,0.36,0.09,0.04

Armenian_West,2.91,1.84,12.8,36.23,36.53,6.22,2.55 ,0.25,0.09,0.09,0.34,0.25,0.27

Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey,3.73,4.75,7.96,38.41,30.58,5. 17,7.45,0.4,1.11,0.56,0,0,0
12-19-2019, 06:31 AM
Jana

Friend from Hungary

Distance to: Blanka

6.30492665 Hungarian
6.37269726 Slovenian
7.06498818 Slovak
7.33430978 Czech
7.36590795 Kaykavian_Croatian
8.61925751 East_German
8.78030182 Austrian
8.81152654 Croatian
8.90207841 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
8.93839471 Csango_Gymes

My mother

Distance to: Mama

4.20708913 Slovenian
4.72158872 Csango_Gymes
4.88118838 Szekely
5.07506527 Serbian_Bosnia
5.15662680 Moldavian
5.33922279 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.58235613 Croatian
5.66741564 Hungarian
5.91976711 Bosnian
5.95406584 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
12-19-2019, 06:40 AM
Jana

Results for @Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

https://i.imgur.com/SBqx6iC.png
12-19-2019, 06:45 AM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feiichy

Results for @Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

https://i.imgur.com/SBqx6iC.png

Can you post his K13 results? Forgot what he scored like.

Also, I couldn't find the result of the Varazdin Croat. Could you post their K13 as well?
12-19-2019, 07:19 AM
Jana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

Can you post his K13 results? Forgot what he scored like.

Also, I couldn't find the result of the Varazdin Croat. Could you post their K13 as well?

Unfortunately I don't have Varaždin Croat K13 results, seems nobody does.
Hrvoje K13:

https://i.imgur.com/ysSBgBy.png
12-19-2019, 09:39 AM
Lemgrant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukasz

Added!

If someone has good new refs for this and other calcs I will add.

Azeri sample for EUtest ver.1 :

Code:

Azeri_Kars_1,0,6.12,4.40,3.85,3.95,31.48,30.04,8.44,5.63,0,2.72,3.35,0

Code:

Population,SOUTH_BALTIC,EAST_EURO,NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO,ATLANTIC,WEST_MED,EAST_MED,WEST_ASIAN,MIDDLE_EASTERN,SOUTH_ASIAN,EAST_AFRICAN,EAST_ASIAN,SIBERIAN,WEST_AFRICAN

gedmatch kit number: T184053
12-19-2019, 09:55 AM
Lemgrant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukasz

Added!

If someone has good new refs for this and other calcs I will add.

Palestinian sample for EUtest ver.1:

Code:

Palestinian_1,0,0,1.6,2.86,10.27,30.65,14.93,27.81,3.78,4.51,0,0.86,2.7

gedmatch kit number: M750194
12-19-2019, 10:08 AM
Lemgrant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukasz

Added!

If someone has good new refs for this and other calcs I will add.

Turkmen sample for EUtest ver.1:

Code:

Turkmen_Uzbekistan_1,3.61,10.85,1.33,5.19,0,17.32,20.63,4.4,11.66,0,10.7,14.31,0

gedmatch kit number: F910004
12-19-2019, 10:36 AM
ProudBrit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

Its interesting how are they very far from each other - souther and kaykavian ones.

https://i.imgur.com/yKAnDkI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/06awmKz.jpg

Someone will say - artificial nation. ;)

I think everyone here agrees that 23andme needs to do to slovenians and nw croats what they've done do finns, give them their own category.
Then you'll see a lot of croats scoring different mixes between bosnians(serbs) and this new slovenian/nw croat group, showing how their EE on 23andme has been artificially inflated.
12-19-2019, 10:43 AM
Lemgrant

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukasz

Added!

If someone has good new refs for this and other calcs I will add.

Mexican sample for EUtest ver.1:

Code:

Mexican_1,2.23,14.43,10.66,11.96,6.33,1.67,5.27,3.23,4.76,3.12,9.34,19.89,7.11

gedmatch kit number: M112219
12-19-2019, 10:52 AM
Nurzat

MOLDOVA REGION, ROMANIA, results now after the source updates (+ removed from source the Moldova averages for which these were part of the samples)

Target: Suceava_County-1
Distance: 0.3965% / 0.39646670
43.8 Ukrainian
22.0 Romanian_Muntenia
8.4 Sardinian
3.8 Lezgin
3.8 South_Polish
3.4 Tabassaran
2.8 Abhkasian
2.8 Southeast_English
2.6 Southwest_Russian
1.8 French_Basque
1.8 Ukrainian_Belgorod
1.0 Estonian
0.8 Turk_East_Black_Sea
0.4 Malay
0.4 NAN_Melanesian
0.2 Kalash
0.2 Pima

Target: Suceava_County-2
Distance: 0.4122% / 0.41215925

20.2 Southwest_Finnish
20.0 North_Macedonian
15.4 Greek_Thessaly
8.8 Belorussian
6.4 Lebanese_Druze
4.8 East_German
4.4 Southern_Croat
3.8 Austrian
3.0 North_Italian
2.6 Hungarian
2.2 RU_Pinega
1.8 Estonian
1.8 Estonian_Polish
1.4 Chamar
1.0 Greek_Cappadocian
0.8 Mari
0.6 Danish
0.2 North_Amerindian
0.2 Sardinian
0.2 Selkup
0.2 Serbian_new
0.2 South_Dutch

Target: Botosani_County
Distance: 0.5983% / 0.59830630

15.8 Belorussian
13.8 GR_Macedonia
12.2 Erzya
9.2 Serbian_Bosnia
8.4 Latvian
8.2 Russian_Smolensk
8.2 Sardinian
7.8 South_Polish
3.8 Greek_Cappadocian
3.4 Greek_Chios
2.4 Turk_East_Black_Sea
1.6 Albanian
1.6 Georgian_Jewish
1.2 Bosnian
0.8 Cossacks_Kuban
0.8 Greek_Trabzon
0.2 Gujarati
0.2 Lebanese_Christian
0.2 Mari
0.2 Romani

Target: Neamt_County
Distance: 0.5920% / 0.59195085

18.8 Cossacks_Kuban
14.0 Montenegrin
12.0 Greek_Chios
10.4 Laz
9.0 GR_Macedonia
8.0 Serbian_new
7.0 Belorussian
6.4 Romanian_Muntenia
4.8 Latvian
3.6 Albanian
2.0 South_Polish
1.2 Norwegian
1.0 She
0.6 Austrian
0.6 Xibo
0.4 North_Ossetian
0.2 Evenki

Target: Vaslui_County-1
Distance: 0.3551% / 0.35511776

34.2 North_Macedonian
16.4 Cossacks_Kuban
11.0 Latvian
6.6 Sardinian
5.8 Greek_Chios
4.8 Montenegrin
4.4 GR_Macedonia
3.0 Estonian
2.8 Greek_Trabzon
2.8 Serbian_new
2.2 Finnish
1.4 RU_Pinega
1.4 Selkup
1.0 Bulgarian
1.0 Laz
0.6 Greek_Cappadocian
0.6 Southwest_French

Target: Vaslui_County-2
Distance: 0.7164% / 0.71641170
20.6 Albanian
15.4 Southwest_Finnish
12.6 Tuscan
11.4 Belorussian
10.8 Austrian
6.6 Serbian_new
5.8 Lebanese_Christian
5.6 Cossacks_Kuban
2.6 East_Finnish
2.2 Greek_Cappadocian
2.0 Greek_Chios
1.2 Lebanese_Druze
1.2 Sardinian
0.6 Dolgan
0.6 Evens
0.6 Romanian_Muntenia
0.2 Selkup
12-19-2019, 11:54 AM
harutsafaryan07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemgrant

Turkmen sample for EUtest ver.1:

Code:

Turkmen_Uzbekistan_1,3.61,10.85,1.33,5.19,0,17.32,20.63,4.4,11.66,0,10.7,14.31,0

gedmatch kit number: F910004

if you want i can send you Some kits Turkish , Azeri and other nations from Anatolia for EUtest
12-19-2019, 12:11 PM
andre

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukasz

Added!

If someone has good new refs for this and other calcs I will add.

Romanians from Transylvania (Romanian_Transylvania) for k13:

Romanian_Transylvania,24.69,25.70,18.14,11.08,16.3 5,0.79,0.36,0.52,0.68,0.84,0.7,0,0.13
12-19-2019, 12:28 PM
ph2ter

K15
German_Bavarian,28.38,26.11,11.62,8.33,11.51,6.15, 6.01,0.76,0.10,0.21,0.10,0.23,0.30,0.13,0.05
12-19-2019, 12:32 PM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by andre

Romanians from Transylvania (Romanian_Transylvania) for k13:

Romanian_Transylvania,24.69,25.70,18.14,11.08,16.3 5,0.79,0.36,0.52,0.68,0.84,0.7,0,0.13

What counties' samples are these based off of?
12-19-2019, 12:35 PM
Mingle

Quote:

Originally Posted by ph2ter

K15
German_Bavarian,28.38,26.11,11.62,8.33,11.51,6.15, 6.01,0.76,0.10,0.21,0.10,0.23,0.30,0.13,0.05

Do you think you can make a Kaykavian Croat average for the Eurogenes EUtest calculator? It looks like it's the most accurate for you and may potentially be better than K13.
12-19-2019, 12:46 PM
andre

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mingle

What counties' samples are these based off of?

Romanian Apuseni.
12-19-2019, 12:46 PM
CommonSense

Latest K13 update:

https://i.imgur.com/I0ePXqd.png
12-19-2019, 12:48 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by andre

Romanian Apuseni.

do Gorj too
12-19-2019, 12:53 PM
andre

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

do Gorj too

Romanian Oltenia it’s based on Gorj.
12-19-2019, 12:58 PM
vbnetkhio

Quote:

Originally Posted by andre

Romanian Oltenia it’s based on Gorj.

it's the old Romanian average which was in k13, it was just renamed to Romanian Oltenia

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