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What is your East Euro percentage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Hey man could you add me?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Population
North_Sea 12.62 Pct
Atlantic 18.36 Pct
Baltic 17.12 Pct
Eastern_Euro 15.83 Pct
West_Med 14.35 Pct
West_Asian 11.45 Pct
East_Med 6.91 Pct
Red_Sea 3.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.03 Pct
South_Asian
https://i.imgur.com/NyiEF4A.png?1Quote:
Originally Posted by Decius
red -Serb and Montenegrin
blue - averages
light green-Bosniaks and Croats
purple - Austrians Slovenians Hungarians
Orange- Romanians Bulgarians Macedonians
light red - Slovaks Czechs Ukrainians
light blue - Greeks
Interesting. So I’m basically on the serb average according to thisQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
That’s true but components like eastern euro are not really good. I think that plotting is more accurate for k15. Also I still get Serbian as the number one population on the normal oracle even tho it’s distant. I get half Ukrainian Belgorad (52%) and half Greek Thessaly (48%) on the mixed mode which should also be close to the Serbian average.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Didnt davidski say his k13 is better or more accurate than his k15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/10/e...match.html?m=1Quote:
Monday, October 7, 2013
Eurogenes K15 now at GEDmatch
This new test is essentially an upgraded version of the EUtest. Unlike the original, it includes an Amerindian component and five native reference populations from North and Central America. So obviously it should be a lot more useful for users from the New World who are wondering about Amerindian admixture.
GEDmatch > Ad-Mix Utilities > Eurogenes > Eurogenes EUtestV2 K15
I just tried it myself, and have say that the 4-Ancestors Oracle results were impressive. In other words, they were very accurate based on what I know about my recent ancestry. On the other hand, I'd say the default Oracle was picking up more ancient gene flows. However, this might not be the case for everyone, so let's hear some feedback, discuss the outcomes, and perhaps tweak the settings if necessary.
One of the most important things to keep in mind is to ignore all results under 1%. These are likely to be noise.
The population averages and Fst distances between the ancestral clusters are here and here, respectively. Below are spatial maps of the main West Eurasian components courtesy of Gui (FR7): Baltic, North Sea, Atlantic, East Euro, West Med, East Med, West Asian.
Damn, it's literally 6 years old.
My eurogenes k13Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.06
2 North_Atlantic 23.13
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 12.54
5 East_Med 10.34
6 Red_Sea 3.4
7 Siberian 0.73
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 Amerindian 0.18
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.99
2 Serbian 7.42
3 Romanian 8.66
4 Croatian 8.89
5 Bulgarian 10.15
6 Hungarian 11.18
7 Austrian 13.91
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.44
9 East_German 14.86
10 South_Polish 15.97
11 Ukrainian 16.04
12 Greek_Thessaly 18.16
13 Polish 19.05
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.4
15 Southwest_Russian 19.47
16 West_German 19.88
17 North_Italian 20.89
18 Russian_Smolensk 20.98
19 South_Dutch 21.11
20 French 21.29
yes but k15 has this awesome PCA which i use for making this stuff, like Decius saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Dick
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm
i'm trying to recreate an offline version of this PCA.. and then also for other calculators, k36, lukasz k47
Can you try plotting this one?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Population
North_Sea 8.53 Pct
Atlantic 1.80 Pct
Baltic 9.20 Pct
Eastern_Euro 6.32 Pct
West_Med 2.79 Pct
West_Asian 49.28 Pct
East_Med 14.07 Pct
Red_Sea 2.09 Pct
South_Asian 2.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.05 Pct
Siberian 2.88 Pct
Amerindian 0.40 Pct
Oceanian 0.29 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
https://i.imgur.com/6gtsst2.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto
black square, he plots with Istanbul Turks
Thanks. And you know who that is? :) Allegedly the former Ingush president Ruslan Aushev (Republic of Ingushetia, North Caucasus). Or at least some other Ingush is using the same name and last name.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
updateQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://i.imgur.com/Ed3fbDR.png
Found this woman among my latest matches. She and her parents are from Barajevo, a suburban settlement near Belgrade. All the surnames are Serbian.
Population
North_Sea 18.55 Pct
Atlantic 17.20 Pct
Baltic 16.00 Pct
Eastern_Euro 10.46 Pct
West_Med 11.28 Pct
West_Asian 10.46 Pct
East_Med 14.50 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.54 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.05
2 Serbian 4.58
3 Bulgarian 6.41
4 Moldavian 9.51
5 Hungarian 9.95
6 Austrian 9.99
7 Croatian 10.7
8 Greek_Thessaly 12.92
9 East_German 13.91
10 Greek 13.92
11 North_Italian 15.31
12 Tuscan 15.55
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.57
14 French 16.63
15 South_Polish 16.83
16 South_Dutch 16.96
17 West_German 17.02
18 Italian_Abruzzo 17.23
19 Ukrainian 17.47
20 Spanish_Galicia 18.53
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Bulgarian + 20% Swedish @ 2.78
2 81.7% Bulgarian + 18.3% West_Norwegian @ 2.79
3 80.4% Bulgarian + 19.6% Norwegian @ 2.8
4 79.7% Bulgarian + 20.3% North_Swedish @ 2.87
5 79.8% Bulgarian + 20.2% Danish @ 3.05
6 90.7% Romanian + 9.3% West_Norwegian @ 3.09
7 90% Romanian + 10% Norwegian @ 3.1
8 89.9% Romanian + 10.1% Swedish @ 3.11
9 89.6% Romanian + 10.4% Danish @ 3.11
10 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% North_Dutch @ 3.14
11 89.9% Romanian + 10.1% North_Dutch @ 3.17
12 88.5% Romanian + 11.5% North_German @ 3.17
13 89.9% Romanian + 10.1% North_Swedish @ 3.17
14 90.6% Romanian + 9.4% West_Scottish @ 3.19
15 90.4% Romanian + 9.6% Irish @ 3.19
16 89.9% Romanian + 10.1% Southeast_English @ 3.2
17 77.7% Bulgarian + 22.3% North_German @ 3.2
18 91.1% Romanian + 8.9% Orcadian @ 3.21
19 87.2% Romanian + 12.8% West_German @ 3.22
20 59% Hungarian + 41% Greek @ 3.24
she plots right next to the Serbian average, but it's the germanic pulling her there, otherwise she would be like a south Montnegrin.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
what are more distant origins of the surnames? do you think she has Saxon admixture?Quote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Is Germanic admix really necessary to explain her results?Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Don't see what is so unusual, since many Montenegrins we've seen also have those elevated NW components, but even among Serbs from other regions such results can be found. What Moje Ime gets on K15 is extreme even compared to this lady:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6202191
By the way, the only regions she scores on MyHeritage are the ones from the eastern part of the continenet (ignoring the obvious noise, Melanesia):
https://i.imgur.com/1ZCDsXz.png
so it's definitely not recent germanic influence, if myheritage is reliableQuote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
that Montenegrin from Plav and Cetinje for example has increased North atlantic and West med like the Illyrians from Dalmatia had. so that's pulling him northwest.
this woman has increased north sea, that didn't come to the Balkans until Goths arrived i guess
Do you know from where exactly is Dalmatian Serb who is little north of srb_W_srb and east of srb_bih_1/2herz_1/2bos, and can you post his K13? 8Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
i just have his k15Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
North_Sea - 20.55
Atlantic - 16.22
Baltic - 17.39
Eastern_Euro - 14.31
West_Med - 13.08
West_Asian - 4.08
East_Med - 12.61
Red_Sea - 1.33
South_Asian - 0
Southeast_Asian - 0
Siberian - 0.1
Amerindian - 0
Oceanian - 0.34
Northeast_African - 0
Sub_Saharan - 0
W_srb is western Serbia btw. not Serbs from BiH or Croatia.
Can you put Banija Serb on map whose result I posted on other thread by mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
https://i.imgur.com/lWWh8I4.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
here :) the other black square is a Zumberak Serb.
He is close to HungryLion.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Here is Dalmatian Serb. His surname is Atlagić. Atlagići are from Ostrovica near Benkovac.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
K13
1 Baltic 32.56
2 North_Atlantic 28.23
3 West_Med 16.39
4 East_Med 11.98
5 West_Asian 10.14
6 Siberian 0.35
7 Red_Sea 0.2
8 Oceanian 0.15
K15
1 North_Sea 20.12
2 Atlantic 19.22
3 Baltic 17.19
4 Eastern_Euro 15.23
5 West_Med 11.06
6 East_Med 11.01
7 West_Asian 6.17
yep. so he probably doesn't have a german grandmother, but there's a whole "tribe" of Serbs who plot like that, so to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
also up there in the northQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
https://i.imgur.com/CMkha4h.png
He is most northern ploting Dalmatian Serb for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
In the next they I will get few more Krajina Serb K13 and K15.
k36 is also welcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Here is 2 new Krajina Serb K13 and K15.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Banija Serb from Dvor na Uni, his surname Eić.
K13
1 Baltic 31.86
2 North_Atlantic 29.63
3 West_Med 18.39
4 West_Asian 9.34
5 East_Med 9.18
6 Oceanian 0.65
7 Red_Sea 0.56
8 Siberian 0.39
K15
1 North_Sea 19.46
2 Baltic 18.79
3 Atlantic 18.72
4 West_Med 13.56
5 Eastern_Euro 12.93
6 East_Med 9.04
7 West_Asian 6.97
8 Oceanian 0.45
9 Siberian 0.08
Lika Serb, his surname is Vrkić.
K13
1 Baltic 31.66
2 North_Atlantic 28.63
3 West_Med 17.39
4 East_Med 12.18
5 West_Asian 9.34
6 Red_Sea 0.49
7 Siberian 0.31
K15
1 North_Sea 19.86
2 Baltic 18.19
3 Atlantic 17.22
4 Eastern_Euro 13.93
5 West_Med 12.56
6 East_Med 10.84
7 West_Asian 7.17
8 Siberian 0.21
9 Amerindian 0.02
do you plan to post more samples today? i'll add them all together in the evening, it's easier than one by oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
added Albanians from Montenegro
https://i.imgur.com/dK8N7Fk.png
A681980 alb_mont
A830498 alb_mont
M258605 alb_mont
M192767 alb_mont
M946469 alb_mont
M620838 alb_mont
M404397 alb_mont
M647566 alb_mont
M441196 alb_mont
M940206 alb_mont
https://i.imgur.com/WUGdYEH.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
did you save their xy coordinates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Eić: x=414, y=197Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
Vrkić: x=433, y=202
https://i.imgur.com/fHlTfGn.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
They are north western shifted, typical for Krajina Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Pure Serbz.
We need several tens more results to see what is average for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav