South Slavic & neighbours Eurogenes results

[Dick]

23andme update looks good.

[Leto]

23andme update looks good.

What is your East Euro percentage?

[MercifulServant]

pca, updated.
Attachment 90640

Hey man could you add me?
Population
North_Sea 12.62 Pct
Atlantic 18.36 Pct
Baltic 17.12 Pct
Eastern_Euro 15.83 Pct
West_Med 14.35 Pct
West_Asian 11.45 Pct
East_Med 6.91 Pct
Red_Sea 3.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.03 Pct
South_Asian

[vbnetkhio]

Hey man could you add me?
Population
North_Sea 12.62 Pct
Atlantic 18.36 Pct
Baltic 17.12 Pct
Eastern_Euro 15.83 Pct
West_Med 14.35 Pct
West_Asian 11.45 Pct
East_Med 6.91 Pct
Red_Sea 3.34 Pct
Oceanian 0.03 Pct
South_Asian

red -Serb and Montenegrin
blue - averages

light green-Bosniaks and Croats
purple - Austrians Slovenians Hungarians
Orange- Romanians Bulgarians Macedonians
light red - Slovaks Czechs Ukrainians
light blue - Greeks

[MercifulServant]

red -Serb and Montenegrin
blue - averages

light green-Bosniaks and Croats
purple - Austrians Slovenians Hungarians
Orange- Romanians Bulgarians Macedonians
light red - Slovaks Czechs Ukrainians
light blue - Greeks

Interesting. So I’m basically on the serb average according to this

[MercifulServant]

Yeah but such a two-dimensional PCA can produce a simplified, false picture sometimes.

For example this Bronze Age Polish sample plots like modern Poles in K15 PCA, but actually has very low % of "Baltic" component (unlike Poles).

The reason why it plots where it does is high Eastern Euro & West Asian instead of Baltic:
^^^ And that sample had R1a-Z93 (Indo-Iranian subclade).

That’s true but components like eastern euro are not really good. I think that plotting is more accurate for k15. Also I still get Serbian as the number one population on the normal oracle even tho it’s distant. I get half Ukrainian Belgorad (52%) and half Greek Thessaly (48%) on the mixed mode which should also be close to the Serbian average.

[Dick]

Didnt davidski say his k13 is better or more accurate than his k15

[Leto]

Didnt davidski say his k13 is better or more accurate than his k15

Monday, October 7, 2013
Eurogenes K15 now at GEDmatch

This new test is essentially an upgraded version of the EUtest. Unlike the original, it includes an Amerindian component and five native reference populations from North and Central America. So obviously it should be a lot more useful for users from the New World who are wondering about Amerindian admixture.

GEDmatch > Ad-Mix Utilities > Eurogenes > Eurogenes EUtestV2 K15

I just tried it myself, and have say that the 4-Ancestors Oracle results were impressive. In other words, they were very accurate based on what I know about my recent ancestry. On the other hand, I'd say the default Oracle was picking up more ancient gene flows. However, this might not be the case for everyone, so let's hear some feedback, discuss the outcomes, and perhaps tweak the settings if necessary.

One of the most important things to keep in mind is to ignore all results under 1%. These are likely to be noise.

The population averages and Fst distances between the ancestral clusters are here and here, respectively. Below are spatial maps of the main West Eurasian components courtesy of Gui (FR7): Baltic, North Sea, Atlantic, East Euro, West Med, East Med, West Asian.

http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/10/e...match.html?m=1

Damn, it's literally 6 years old.

[MercifulServant]

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My eurogenes k13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 30.06
2 North_Atlantic 23.13
3 West_Med 19.05
4 West_Asian 12.54
5 East_Med 10.34
6 Red_Sea 3.4
7 Siberian 0.73
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 East_Asian 0.2
10 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 5.99
2 Serbian 7.42
3 Romanian 8.66
4 Croatian 8.89
5 Bulgarian 10.15
6 Hungarian 11.18
7 Austrian 13.91
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.44
9 East_German 14.86
10 South_Polish 15.97
11 Ukrainian 16.04
12 Greek_Thessaly 18.16
13 Polish 19.05
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 19.4
15 Southwest_Russian 19.47
16 West_German 19.88
17 North_Italian 20.89
18 Russian_Smolensk 20.98
19 South_Dutch 21.11
20 French 21.29

[vbnetkhio]

Didnt davidski say his k13 is better or more accurate than his k15

yes but k15 has this awesome PCA which i use for making this stuff, like Decius said

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

i'm trying to recreate an offline version of this PCA.. and then also for other calculators, k36, lukasz k47