Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

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Originally Posted by Vir9

osssetians have also on the maternal side not much iranic ancestry. There is a misconception that ossetians have iranic admixture on their maternal side because they have similar mtdna like persians but actually persians have mtdna which is almost entirely pre-indoeuropean. Iranic migrations were dominated by males who took local non-iranic wifes.

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Like i said, being Iranic is more to do with linguistic terms rather than racial one. I mean, i seriously doubt the Alans would have been any genetically different from other west asians and etc. People change their languages and identities all the time, and Turks are no exception to that rule either. Of course, cultural assimilation comes with admixture, and it varies from people to people. Some people have little admixture and some have a lot. Assyrians for example are a Semitic people, but genetically they are very close to Armenians, Kurds and other northern middle easterners and caucasians.

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Originally Posted by Foreigner

Not sure what your point was Duke. The Ossetes are not pure Scythians or Sarmatians, but a mix of that and native Caucasians. Their language is Iranic and they were once known as Alans. Their history in the region is well documented. They are a Sarmatian tribe basically. I think they look between Caucasics and Slavs and a bit like Balkanics, being the lightest group in their region.

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Caucasian people look like balkan, this is true

But thats purley because we are both mix of Scythian and wog :D

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Originally Posted by Vir9

osssetians have also on the maternal side not much iranic ancestry. There is a misconception that ossetians have iranic admixture on their maternal side because they have similar mtdna like persians but actually persians have mtdna which is almost entirely pre-indoeuropean. Iranic migrations were dominated by males who took local non-iranic wifes.

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So you think they are not real Alans or what? What about Jassic Hungarians?

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900

Like i said, being Iranic is more to do with linguistic terms rather than racial one. I mean, i seriously doubt the Alans would have been any genetically different from other west asians and etc. People change their languages and identities all the time, and Turks are no exception to that rule either. Of course, cultural assimilation comes with admixture, and it varies from people to people. Some people have little admixture and some have a lot. Assyrians for example are a Semitic people, but genetically they are very close to Armenians, Kurds and other northern middle easterners and caucasians.

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Not only Iranic, but all the other linguistic labels too. Romance for example covers a huge area, from me to Portuguese to Moldovans. Arabic goes from Morocco to Iraq. Germanic from Swedish to Austrian. It doesn't make sense to use these words for something else now.

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Originally Posted by Duke

Caucasian people look like balkan, this is true

But thats purley because we are both mix of Scythian and wog :D

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You think other Caucasians have also Scytho-Sarmatian admixture?

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Originally Posted by Foreigner

So you think they are not real Alans or what? What about Jassic Hungarians?

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Ugric people, as Turkic people lived in Scythian domain, and shared similar lifestyles.
But Scythians in Europe, and in Asia(before mixing) were Russian like, or Slavic like

Alans could be like modern Caucasians, a mix of Slavs, and Caucasic people, but i havent seen any genetic research about old Alans

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Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii

Not only Iranic, but all the other linguistic labels too. Romance for example covers a huge area, from me to Portuguese to Moldovans. Arabic goes from Morocco to Iraq. Germanic from Swedish to Austrian. It doesn't make sense to use these words for something else now.

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I think Germanics are the most homogenous.

Haha..funny timing...I just opened a similar sort of thread...

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Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii

Not only Iranic, but all the other linguistic labels too. Romance for example covers a huge area, from me to Portuguese to Moldovans. Arabic goes from Morocco to Iraq. Germanic from Swedish to Austrian. It doesn't make sense to use these words for something else now.

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Of course. The Ossetians are genetically descendant from their ancestors, and this study proves it:

"In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2"
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0...D0%A1._312-315
This study is new from 2014, but its in Russian so you got to use google translate to read the study.

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Originally Posted by Duke

Ugric people, as Turkic people lived in Scythian domain, and shared similar lifestyles.
But Scythians in Europe, and in Asia(before mixing) were Russian like, or Slavic like

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people I thought you knew of them.