Dodecad k12b south, west and central asian results

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Yes but this happened much later. If everyone would have integrated they wouldn't went into Anatolia. I think he is referring to the beginning of the Steppe migrations into Khwarezmia and Khorasan.

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I really dont know, i just know they came to persia.

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But I too dont see the big issue. Only people who would have problems with it would be Farmers and Iranian nomads. Iran doesn't have too much land for too many Pastoralists/Nomads I think that's why most went further to the West, some stayed in Northwest.

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Many times i read and heard that were a big issue in seljuk state. Probably there were disputes about lands or pasture area.

Btw, have we results of naxcivan azerbaijanis? Ive seen a documentary today, they dont look very different from other, some really looked central asian, like uzbeks or turkmens?

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Btw, have we results of naxcivan azerbaijanis? Ive seen a documentary today, they dont look very different from other, some really looked central asian, like uzbeks or turkmens?

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No but four results from Qarabağ, who should be similar

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...aijani-Results

Azerbaijani from Aghjabadi district:

Gedrosian: 19.94
Siberian: 2.26
Northwest_African: 2.47
Southeast_Asian: 1.89
Atlantic_Med: 8.21
North_European: 9.41
South_Asian 0.92
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.02
East_Asian: 4.27
Caucasian: 40.62
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Aghjabadi_District
3.60406715 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.53802821 Azerbaijani
4.63316307 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.32158208 Turk_Southeast
6.65610246 Turk_Central_East
7.54633686 Turk_South
7.56374246 Turk_East
7.60310463 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.62482787 Zaza
7.84224458 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.19728614 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.53196929 Turk_Anatolia
8.94394767 Turk_Central_West
9.05917215 Turkmen_Iraq
9.97332943 Kurd_Sorani
10.03894915 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.92190002 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.26313012 Turk_Southwest
11.27583700 Kurds
11.30816077 Kurd
11.48488137 Iranian
11.79811002 Armenian_East
12.06650322 Uzbekistan_Jews
12.06992958 Lur_Iran
12.07289940 Yoruk

Target: Azerbaijani_Aghjabadi_District
Distance: 1.5829% / 1.58290251 | ADC: 0.25x
79.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.6 Ingush
7.0 Turk_Ahiska
1.6 She
1.4 Mozabite
0.4 Kumyks

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

No but four results from Qarabağ, who should be similar

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...aijani-Results

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Thanks, look like regular azerbaijanis.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Azerbaijani from Aghjabadi district:

Gedrosian: 19.94
Siberian: 2.26
Northwest_African: 2.47
Southeast_Asian: 1.89
Atlantic_Med: 8.21
North_European: 9.41
South_Asian 0.92
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.02
East_Asian: 4.27
Caucasian: 40.62
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Aghjabadi_District
3.60406715 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.53802821 Azerbaijani
4.63316307 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.32158208 Turk_Southeast
6.65610246 Turk_Central_East
7.54633686 Turk_South
7.56374246 Turk_East
7.60310463 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.62482787 Zaza
7.84224458 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.19728614 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.53196929 Turk_Anatolia
8.94394767 Turk_Central_West
9.05917215 Turkmen_Iraq
9.97332943 Kurd_Sorani
10.03894915 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.92190002 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.26313012 Turk_Southwest
11.27583700 Kurds
11.30816077 Kurd
11.48488137 Iranian
11.79811002 Armenian_East
12.06650322 Uzbekistan_Jews
12.06992958 Lur_Iran
12.07289940 Yoruk

Target: Azerbaijani_Aghjabadi_District
Distance: 1.5829% / 1.58290251 | ADC: 0.25x
79.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.6 Ingush
7.0 Turk_Ahiska
1.6 She
1.4 Mozabite
0.4 Kumyks

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Very low South Asian and "high" East Eurasian (8.4%).

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Originally Posted by Leto

Very low South Asian and "high" East Eurasian (8.4%).

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More Caucasian less Iranian, East Eurasian still looks normal

Azerbaijani from Khachmaz (Xaçmaz) in the Northeast
Don't know if it's a repost

Gedrosian: 23.18
Siberian: 0.88
Northwest_African: 0.53
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.80
North_European: 13.44
South_Asian 1.02
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.16
East_Asian: 2.19
Caucasian: 41.79
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Khachmaz
5.51390062 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.18945060 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.20787763 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.40377606 Azerbaijani
7.43215312 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.64179298 Zaza
8.17979217 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.25437734 Kurds
9.43693276 Ingush
10.02664949 Kurd_Sorani
10.11867086 Iranian
10.13160895 Kurd
10.13939840 Turk_East
10.21825817 Turk_Southeast
10.73944133 Turkmen_Iraq
11.37817648 Turk_Central_East
11.40805417 Circassian
11.81033446 Lur_Iran
11.85611656 Kumyks
12.25765883 Turk_South
12.54567256 Iranian_Fars
12.71197074 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.80094918 Iran_Mazandaran
12.88695076 Uzbekistan_Jews
13.09915646 Turk_Anatolia

Target: Azerbaijani_Khachmaz
Distance: 1.5147% / 1.51468573 | ADC: 0.25x
71.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.6 Uzbekistan_Jews
6.8 Georgia_Jews
5.8 Zaza
5.0 Kurds
1.8 Yemen_Jews
0.4 Japanese

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

I think most educated people view all ethnic groups in Iran positively, but there are exceptions
Average Persian-> Views Azeris positively, most other people indifferently or negatively
Iranicist Persian-> Views Kurds, Lurs etc as 'Iranic Brothers' views Azeris negatively
Ethnonationalist Persian->Views all minorities as a liability and extra baggage, thinks Persians are the only civilized Iranians
Average Kurd-> Probably Views Persians, Lurs positively and Azeris/Turks in general negatively
Iranicist Kurd-> Views Turks negatively, thinks Kurdish lands in Turkey etc should be part of Greater Iran
Nationalist Kurd-> Views Turks negatively, views Persians negatively for occupying their land
I'm not sure about Azeris, I have not really lived around many of them

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I can guarantee you one thing, average Kurd does not view Azeris negatively. And despite acknowledging cultural similarities to Persians doesn't make a siginificant difference to Turks. In fact the average have a higher view of Afghans for being down to earth while Persians (much like Turks) are viewed as a little too "cocky". Azeris and Afghans are generally viewed better as being down to earth. It might be down to Turkeys and Irans numberous attempts of controlling the Middle East.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Azerbaijani from Khachmaz (Xaçmaz) in the Northeast
Don't know if it's a repost

Gedrosian: 23.18
Siberian: 0.88
Northwest_African: 0.53
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.80
North_European: 13.44
South_Asian 1.02
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.16
East_Asian: 2.19
Caucasian: 41.79
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Khachmaz
5.51390062 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.18945060 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.20787763 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.40377606 Azerbaijani
7.43215312 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.64179298 Zaza
8.17979217 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.25437734 Kurds
9.43693276 Ingush
10.02664949 Kurd_Sorani
10.11867086 Iranian
10.13160895 Kurd
10.13939840 Turk_East
10.21825817 Turk_Southeast
10.73944133 Turkmen_Iraq
11.37817648 Turk_Central_East
11.40805417 Circassian
11.81033446 Lur_Iran
11.85611656 Kumyks
12.25765883 Turk_South
12.54567256 Iranian_Fars
12.71197074 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.80094918 Iran_Mazandaran
12.88695076 Uzbekistan_Jews
13.09915646 Turk_Anatolia

Target: Azerbaijani_Khachmaz
Distance: 1.5147% / 1.51468573 | ADC: 0.25x
71.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.6 Uzbekistan_Jews
6.8 Georgia_Jews
5.8 Zaza
5.0 Kurds
1.8 Yemen_Jews
0.4 Japanese

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It seems that the less turkic azerbaijanis are those one of and of the near of dagestan. They are more caucasian shifted.

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Very low South Asian and "high" East Eurasian (8.4%).

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Azerbaijanis and Anatolian turks have most times nearly the same east asian admixture. Just anatolian turks are more western and azerbaijani turks are more iranian shifted. Western azerbaijanis and eastern A.turks are nearly the same, caucasian shifted turks. i believe there are many azerbaijanis who score 10-15% east asian, maybe more.

Iraqi Turkmen from Kerkuk:

Gedrosian: 21.99
Siberian: 3.33
Northwest_African: 0.40
Southeast_Asian: 0.71
Atlantic_Med: 9.03
North_European: 6.37
South_Asian 2.72
East_African 1.21
Southwest_Asian: 15.66
East_Asian: 2.08
Caucasian: 36.47
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iraq_Turkmen
3.81565198 Turkmen_Iraq
4.95122207 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.09987255 Kurd_Sorani
5.21442231 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.38088283 Azerbaijani
5.71615255 Turk_Southeast
6.66586078 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.93821303 Zaza
7.99421041 Lur_Iran
8.12739196 Iranian_Fars
8.33825521 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.03395262 Kurd
9.47429681 Iranian
9.75392741 Turk_Central_East
9.84308387 Kurds
9.89100602 Turk_South
10.37450240 Iranians
10.52836644 Iran_Central_East
10.54525012 Uzbekistan_Jews
11.14997758 Turk_Central_West
11.15947131 Turk_East
11.21524409 Turk_Anatolia
11.35791354 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.49475968 Iran_Khorasan
13.40533103 Turk_Southwest

Target: Iraq_Turkmen
Distance: 1.0078% / 1.00777241 | ADC: 0.25x
77.2 Turkmen_Iraq
10.4 Turk_Southeast
8.2 Iran_Central_East
2.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
1.4 Nganassan
0.4 Ket
0.2 French_Basque
0.2 Pais_Vasco

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Iraqi Turkmen from Kerkuk:

Gedrosian: 21.99
Siberian: 3.33
Northwest_African: 0.40
Southeast_Asian: 0.71
Atlantic_Med: 9.03
North_European: 6.37
South_Asian 2.72
East_African 1.21
Southwest_Asian: 15.66
East_Asian: 2.08
Caucasian: 36.47
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iraq_Turkmen
3.81565198 Turkmen_Iraq
4.95122207 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.09987255 Kurd_Sorani
5.21442231 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.38088283 Azerbaijani
5.71615255 Turk_Southeast
6.66586078 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.93821303 Zaza
7.99421041 Lur_Iran
8.12739196 Iranian_Fars
8.33825521 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.03395262 Kurd
9.47429681 Iranian
9.75392741 Turk_Central_East
9.84308387 Kurds
9.89100602 Turk_South
10.37450240 Iranians
10.52836644 Iran_Central_East
10.54525012 Uzbekistan_Jews
11.14997758 Turk_Central_West
11.15947131 Turk_East
11.21524409 Turk_Anatolia
11.35791354 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.49475968 Iran_Khorasan
13.40533103 Turk_Southwest

Target: Iraq_Turkmen
Distance: 1.0078% / 1.00777241 | ADC: 0.25x
77.2 Turkmen_Iraq
10.4 Turk_Southeast
8.2 Iran_Central_East
2.0 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
1.4 Nganassan
0.4 Ket
0.2 French_Basque
0.2 Pais_Vasco

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Wow, i thought they were just turkified lokals. But this ones have visible turkic influence. looks like an azerbaijani, very cool.

A Kurd with slightly elevated North_European

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.49
2 Gedrosia 28.27
3 Southwest_Asian 12.03
4 North_European 9.74
5 Atlantic_Med 5.91
6 South_Asian 4.38
7 Northwest_African 1.42
8 Siberian 1.05

No kit number, only these results.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Wow, i thought they were just turkified lokals. But this ones have visible turkic influence. looks like an azerbaijani, very cool.

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Indeed very similar to Azeris only a bit elevated Levantine/Mesopotamian influence I think

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Originally Posted by Gecko

It seems that the less turkic azerbaijanis are those one of and of the near of dagestan. They are more caucasian shifted.

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Yes looks like it. The turkic input of the rest (Rep, Iran, Turkey looks pretty similar, but could vary according to tribe, village etc.

I believe iraqi Turkmens definitely score more eastasian(4-8%) than expected. eastern turks and azerbaijanis sometimes cluster with iraqi turkmens.

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indeed very similar to Azeris only a bit elevated Levantine/Mesopotamian influence I think

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Maybe thats what iraqi turkems are: Southern shifted people who are most related with eastern and and azerbaijani turks.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

I believe iraqi Turkmens definitely score more eastasian(4-8%) than expected. eastern turks and azerbaijanis sometimes cluster with iraqi turkmens.



Maybe thats what iraqi turkems are: Southern shifted people who are most related with eastern and and azerbaijani turks.

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Mixture of Seljuk Turkmen+ Sorani+Local Araps created this genetic profile most likely.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

I believe iraqi Turkmens definitely score more eastasian(4-8%) than expected. eastern turks and azerbaijanis sometimes cluster with iraqi turkmens.



Maybe thats what iraqi turkems are: Southern shifted people who are most related with eastern and and azerbaijani turks.

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Yes we have to take into account that the native population of Güney Azerbaycan and North Iraq is pretty similar (Northwest Iranian and Kurdish in Iraq, so unless there isn't a south Iraqi (arab) shift the populations should be somwhat similar.

There's defo a difference between Erbili and Kirkuki Turkmens as well.

Erbili Turkmens (who are among my relatives) are very well mixed with Kurds. They speak Kurdish (as well as their own language) and are Sunni.

Kirkuki and Tal Afar Turkmens are mainly Shia I believe (might have to double check if all of them are, but at least a huge number of them are) and are more mixed with the local Arab populations rather than the Kurds. But it also seems that they stick more to their own identity than Erbili Turkmens.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Wow, i thought they were just turkified lokals. But this ones have visible turkic influence. looks like an azerbaijani, very cool.

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How are they turkified when they are tribal and are from Turkmen tribes like Bayat,Döger etc?

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Wow, i thought they were just turkified lokals. But this ones have visible turkic influence. looks like an azerbaijani, very cool.

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How are they turkified when they are tribal and are from Turkmen tribes like Bayat,Döger etc?
Thought many are heavily mixed and diluted the ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

It seems that the less turkic azerbaijanis are those one of and of the near of dagestan. They are more caucasian shifted.



Azerbaijanis and Anatolian turks have most times nearly the same east asian admixture. Just anatolian turks are more western and azerbaijani turks are more iranian shifted. Western azerbaijanis and eastern A.turks are nearly the same, caucasian shifted turks. i believe there are many azerbaijanis who score 10-15% east asian, maybe more.

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I believe isolated Azerbaijanis score much more east asian such as Afshars and Qarapapaqs.

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Originally Posted by Babak

I believe isolated Azerbaijanis score much more east asian such as Afshars and Qarapapaqs.

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I don't understand the importance of 5-10% Central Asian admixture if 95-90% is genetically identical or at least very similar. Actually I would be shocked if some East Eurasian admixture didn't exist on the Plateau as far back as the earliest Iranic empires. I believe to remember that even some Bronze/Iron Age East Anatolian samples (most likely Iranic because of very high Gedrosia percentages too) showed few percentages of East Eurasian admixture (3-4%). I know that there are some Azeris and Turkmens who can score as high as 15% Central Asian but I think they are rather exception than norm.

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Originally Posted by Demhat

What I am asking myself who actually gives much about 5-10% Central Asian admixture if 95-90% is genetically identical or at least very similar. Actually I would be shocked if some East Eurasian admixture didn't exist on the Plateau as far back as the earliest Iranic empires. I believe to remember that even some Bronze/Iron Age East Anatolian samples (most likely Iranic because of very high Gedrosia percentages too) showed few percentages of East Eurasian admixture (3-4%). I know that there are some Azeris and Turkmens who can score as high as 15% Central Asian but I think they are rather exception than norm.

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I agree with this. It's not necessarily a mark of Turkic ancestry. It may very much be from the early Iranic empires which makes sense given that the first Iranic tribes originate from that area.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

I agree with this. It's not necessarily a mark of Turkic ancestry. It may very much be from the early Iranic empires.

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Actually I was not trying to disprove the Turkic origin of this East Eurasian admixture in them. Most of it in Azeris and Turkmens indeed derives very likely from Turkic tribes in Central Asia.

I just don't agree with this notion of East Eurasian being such a "foreign" aspect of the West Asian let alone overal Iranic landscape. The way how it is filtered out to prove or disprove something. I see some Iranians trying to filter it out as some "undesireable" thing as if it didn't exist in their history while it was found in some of the earliest Iranic speakers. While some Turks catching it up to prove their Turkic-ness as if without it they couldn't claim Turkish identity.

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Originally Posted by Demhat

Actually I was not trying to disprove the Turkic origin of this East Eurasian admixture in them. Most of it in Azeris and Turkmens indeed derives very likely from Turkic tribes in Central Asia.

I just don't agree with this notion of East Eurasian being such a "foreign" aspect of the West Eurasian let alone overal Iranic landscape. They way how it is filtered out to prove or disprove something. I see some Iranians trying to filter it out as some "undesireable" thing as if it didn't exist in their history. While some Turks catching it up to prove their Turkic-ness as if without it they couldn't claim Turkish identity.

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I think it could be a steppe thing. We know that Scythians and other Iranic steppe people have sometimes been found within mongoloid DNA. Therefore if you are an R1a descendant of one of these it’s possible that you could carry it I suppose

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Originally Posted by Demhat

Actually I was not trying to disprove the Turkic origin of this East Eurasian admixture in them. Most of it in Azeris and Turkmens indeed derives very likely from Turkic tribes in Central Asia.

I just don't agree with this notion of East Eurasian being such a "foreign" aspect of the West Eurasian let alone overal Iranic landscape. They way how it is filtered out to prove or disprove something. I see some Iranians trying to filter it out as some "undesireable" thing as if it didn't exist in their history. While some Turks catching it up to prove their Turkic-ness as if without it they couldn't claim Turkish identity.

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Yes I know. I meant it more from the view that I have high east Eurasian results compared to the average Kurd and people usually try to point this out as Turkic ancestry. But I can name my ancestors back about 7/8 generations and there is not a single known Turk (whether Anatolian Turk, Azeri or Turkmen) amongst my ancestors.

I believe it is much more ancient linked to early migration of Iranic tribes. In my city it is well known that when Cyaxares liberated Erbil from the Assyrians he allowed the Iranic Sagartian tribe to settle the city and the whole district. It may very well be from this period.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

I think it could be a steppe thing. We know that Scythians and other Iranic steppe people have sometimes been found within mongoloid DNA. Therefore if you are an R1a descendant of one of these it’s possible that you could carry it I suppose

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Possibly. I really think this idea that East Eurasian in Iranic populations=Turkic is very ridiculous. If our original forefathers had it then it makes sense for us to have it too.

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Originally Posted by Demhat

I don't understand the importance of 5-10% Central Asian admixture if 95-90% is genetically identical or at least very similar. Actually I would be shocked if some East Eurasian admixture didn't exist on the Plateau as far back as the earliest Iranic empires. I believe to remember that even some Bronze/Iron Age East Anatolian samples (most likely Iranic because of very high Gedrosia percentages too) showed few percentages of East Eurasian admixture (3-4%). I know that there are some Azeris and Turkmens who can score as high as 15% Central Asian but I think they are rather exception than norm.

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I completely agree, but I wasn't talking about Iranics specifically.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

Yes I know. I meant it more from the view that I have high east Eurasian results compared to the average Kurd and people usually try to point this out as Turkic ancestry. But I can name my ancestors back about 7/8 generations and there is not a single known Turk (whether Anatolian Turk, Azeri or Turkmen) amongst my ancestors.

I believe it is much more ancient linked to early migration of Iranic tribes. In my city it is well known that when Cyaxares liberated Erbil from the Assyrians he allowed the Iranic Sagartian tribe to settle the city and the whole district. It may very well be from this period.

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You should add your Dodecad to this thread otherwise your posts are deemed off-topic :p

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Originally Posted by Leto

You should your Dodecad to this thread otherwise your posts are deemed off-topic :p

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I’ve been trying to find my results for a while but without luck. I may just have to upload my 23andme to gedmatch again.

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Originally Posted by Halgurd

I’ve been trying to find my results for a while but without luck. I may just have to upload my 23andme to gedmatch again.

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Or you can use the DNA Studio offline.

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Originally Posted by Demhat

I don't understand the importance of 5-10% Central Asian admixture if 95-90% is genetically identical or at least very similar. Actually I would be shocked if some East Eurasian admixture didn't exist on the Plateau as far back as the earliest Iranic empires. I believe to remember that even some Bronze/Iron Age East Anatolian samples (most likely Iranic because of very high Gedrosia percentages too) showed few percentages of East Eurasian admixture (3-4%). I know that there are some Azeris and Turkmens who can score as high as 15% Central Asian but I think they are rather exception than norm.

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Yes according to the extensive formal analysis EurasianDNA did using my mom's Iraqi Kurdish sample using qpAdm and qpWave the results were that Kurd ancestors in the Iron Age about 2000 years ago (Haji-Firuz-IA) had already accumulated about 30% Central Asian (Sarmatian related) since Iran-Chl's time (4500 years ago).

So basically out of the 40% Central Asian modern Kurds have (compared to Iran-Chl), 30% of it already was present by the time of Haji-Firuz-IA. The remainder 10-15% Central Asian Kurds got was after Haji-Firuz-IA. Some of this could be Parthian related and some Turkic related.

Sassanids didn't have much East asian however:

Gedrosia 24.42 Pct
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Northwest_African 1.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.93 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.86 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Caucasus 39.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct


Nor did parthian:

https://i.ibb.co/LgpF5Qg/47228520-20...99374592-n.jpg

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Originally Posted by Babak

Sassanids didn't have much East asian however:

Gedrosia 24.42 Pct
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Northwest_African 1.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.93 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.86 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Caucasus 39.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct


Nor did parthian:

https://i.ibb.co/LgpF5Qg/47228520-20...99374592-n.jpg

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Yes, but you're forgetting one important fact. The references in the calculator are modern people who probably have more E. Eurasian than Sassanid. Try to use a calculator where the references for the components are not moderns but ancients that hardly have any E. Eurasian . Use a calculator with Anatolia-N or Iran-Chl or Iran-N components and I guarantee you'll see Sassanid score substantial E. Eurasian

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Originally Posted by Babak

Sassanids didn't have much East asian however:

Gedrosia 24.42 Pct
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Northwest_African 1.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.93 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.86 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Caucasus 39.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct

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Distance to: Sassanid
6.65560666 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.14205153 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.69040961 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.35496858 Azerbaijani
8.37251456 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.58128778 Iran_Central_East
8.64250542 Iranian
8.78799750 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.85366591 Zaza
9.37118456 Kurd_Sorani

Target: Sassanid
Distance: 2.5687% / 2.56867390 | ADC: 0.5x
50.0 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
29.0 Iran_Central_East
20.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.2 Pulliyar

Target: Sassanid
Distance: 1.7024% / 1.70238113 | ADC: 0.25x
51.6 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
23.0 Talysh_Azerbaijan
20.0 Iran_Central_East
2.6 Kurd_Sorani
2.0 Pulliyar
0.8 Georgian_Gurian

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Yes, but you're forgetting one important fact. The references in the calculator are modern people who probably have more E. Eurasian than Sassanid. Try to use a calculator where the references for the components are not moderns but ancients that hardly have any E. Eurasian . Use a calculator with Anatolia-N or Iran-Chl or Iran-N components and I guarantee you'll see Sassanid score substantial E. Eurasian

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A good calculator for this would be something with these types of components

ENF
Iran-N
Shamanka-EN
WHG
South Africa-IA
East Africa-IA
South America-IA
AASI

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Originally Posted by Babak

Sassanids didn't have much East asian however:

Gedrosia 24.42 Pct
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Northwest_African 1.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.93 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.86 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Caucasus 39.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct


Nor did parthian:

https://i.ibb.co/LgpF5Qg/47228520-20...99374592-n.jpg

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Do we already have Sassanid and Parthian samples? Is there a study about this?

The "Sassanid" sample you showed me had 2% East Eurasian DNA. Not far off from the 3-4% we found in the Iron Age East Anatolian sample. And to be fair aren't we really talking about a average 4-7% of East Eurasian ancestry here anways?

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Originally Posted by Babak

Sassanids didn't have much East asian however:

Gedrosia 24.42 Pct
Siberian 1.63 Pct
Northwest_African 1.10 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 4.93 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian 5.95 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.86 Pct
East_Asian 0.30 Pct
Caucasus 39.29 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct

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Pretty close to mine if I wasn't slightly semitic shifted

Population
Gedrosia 27.49 Pct
Siberian 1.68 Pct
Northwest_African 3.36 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.12 Pct
North_European 4.50 Pct
South_Asian 5.04 Pct
East_African 0.64 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.75 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 35.41 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

What kind of Parthian is this? East or West Parthia.

I would be thankful if someone could tell me from where this "Sassanid" and "Parthian" samples are from and in which study they were tested. I have been waiting for years for old West Iranic samples. And haven't heard of any study or sample yet.