Maybe that's Szekely influence?
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Maybe that's Szekely influence?
The Szekely influence should have shown on other components too, which doesn't appear to be the case. Some people from Romania and Moldova just have a decent chunk of East Asian/Siberian heritage. We can speculate if that's from Tatars, Szeklers, Huns, Cumans, Pechenegs, Bulgars and so on. Check the Wallachian thread. There are people with respectable East Asian/Siberian too in Calarasi, on the border with Bulgaria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Interesting that those "pure" Transylvanian Germans appear almost indistinguishable from Romanians. I think, like Szekelers, the main difference in 95% of cases is today one of language: 5% of Saxons look German and 5% of Szekelers look Magyar, 10% look mixed and 85% look standard Romanian.
Considering that there are samples from even the same village in some cases that look like average Wallachian genetically compared to their co-villagers, I think it's pretty clear that a lot of assimilation happened on both sides. Romanians assimilated Szeklers/Hungarians plus Saxons, and viceversa.Quote:
Originally Posted by aherne
In places like Arad, I have 7 samples with 4 grandparents from there that say that they are all Romanians, but in all but 1 case they score more North Atlantic than Baltic. If it were just a couple I'd think that maybe the components are not distributed in a balanced manner. But when it's so often, I think that indicates that minorities have been assimilated there a long time ago into the Romanian ethnic identity.
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 27.57 24.00 19.31 7.29 17.40 0.61 0 1.27 0.75 0.26 0.98 0 0.55 23.58 25.51 17.64 8.15 19.75 2.32 0 0 1.91 1.15 0 0 0 26.05 21.87 19.47 12.26 15.09 1.59 1.71 0.30 1.26 0 0.38 0 0 28.66 23.95 15.36 6.58 16.85 3.30 3.16 1.72 0.22 0 0 0 0.19 27.74 25.83 16.89 8.16 19.04 0.77 0 0 0.71 0.86 0 0 0 25.18 22.55 19.19 12.33 15.99 1.52 0.06 0.53 0.1 1.27 0.63 0.65 0 25.78 22.04 16.38 13.14 18.78 2.29 0.33 0.62 0 0.51 0 0.13 0
In general, in Transylvania there are significantly more cases of people scoring more NA than Baltic compared to the rest of the country, so that probably points to the assimilation of Szeklers/Hungarians and Saxons.
Transylvanian Saxons are the most south shifted Germans in Europe? Thoughts?
Not sure how many Transylvanian Saxons that got "sold" to Germany are still alive - maybe those are less mixed with Romanians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daco Celtic
We don't have a sufficient number of Saxons to be able to conclude that. I personally have seen only 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daco Celtic
Declared full Saxon
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 28.80 23.90 16.40 11.34 15.81 1.81 0.97 0.44 0 0.32 0.14 0.08 0 30.10 26.02 16.78 7.59 14.70 2.70 0 0.83 0 0.89 0 0 0.37
1/2 Romanian, 1/2 Saxon
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 28.88 26.28 17.72 10.59 11.28 1.75 0.52 0 1.14 1.07 0.36 0 0.40 29.21 27.19 15.89 5.67 15.46 4.29 0.36 1.58 0 0 0.24 0 0.12 28.31 24.08 18.71 11.31 11.92 2.05 0.57 1.91 0 0.48 0.59 0 0.07
3/4 Romanian, 1/4 Bucovina German
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 30.72 21.91 14.63 10.87 17.11 2.33 1.47 0.95 0 0 0 0 0
1/2 Romanian, 1/2 German American
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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan 30.99 33.00 15.18 6.85 9.60 1.65 1.76 0 0.77 0 0 0 0.21
I posted a half Banat German on the German Gedmatch thread.
I only saw the 1/2 German from Germany and 1/2 from Transylvania whose ethnicity you did not specify.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yeah, and Banat is Transylvania as far as I know. Banat is a less widely known name. That person is fully German American.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul