Transylvanian/Romanian GEDmatch Results

[Leto]

Maybe that's Szekely influence?

[Ion Basescul]

Maybe that's Szekely influence?

The Szekely influence should have shown on other components too, which doesn't appear to be the case. Some people from Romania and Moldova just have a decent chunk of East Asian/Siberian heritage. We can speculate if that's from Tatars, Szeklers, Huns, Cumans, Pechenegs, Bulgars and so on. Check the Wallachian thread. There are people with respectable East Asian/Siberian too in Calarasi, on the border with Bulgaria.

[aherne]

Interesting that those "pure" Transylvanian Germans appear almost indistinguishable from Romanians. I think, like Szekelers, the main difference in 95% of cases is today one of language: 5% of Saxons look German and 5% of Szekelers look Magyar, 10% look mixed and 85% look standard Romanian.

[Ion Basescul]

Interesting that those "pure" Transylvanian Germans appear almost indistinguishable from Romanians. I think, like Szekelers, the main difference in 95% of cases is today one of language: 5% of Saxons look German and 5% of Szekelers look Magyar, 10% look mixed and 85% look standard Romanian.

Considering that there are samples from even the same village in some cases that look like average Wallachian genetically compared to their co-villagers, I think it's pretty clear that a lot of assimilation happened on both sides. Romanians assimilated Szeklers/Hungarians plus Saxons, and viceversa.
In places like Arad, I have 7 samples with 4 grandparents from there that say that they are all Romanians, but in all but 1 case they score more North Atlantic than Baltic. If it were just a couple I'd think that maybe the components are not distributed in a balanced manner. But when it's so often, I think that indicates that minorities have been assimilated there a long time ago into the Romanian ethnic identity.

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
27.57	24.00	19.31	7.29	17.40	0.61	0	1.27	0.75	0.26	0.98	0	0.55
23.58	25.51	17.64	8.15	19.75	2.32	0	0	1.91	1.15	0	0	0
26.05	21.87	19.47	12.26	15.09	1.59	1.71	0.30	1.26	0	0.38	0	0
28.66	23.95	15.36	6.58	16.85	3.30	3.16	1.72	0.22	0	0	0	0.19
27.74	25.83	16.89	8.16	19.04	0.77	0	0	0.71	0.86	0	0	0
25.18	22.55	19.19	12.33	15.99	1.52	0.06	0.53	0.1	1.27	0.63	0.65	0
25.78	22.04	16.38	13.14	18.78	2.29	0.33	0.62	0	0.51	0	0.13	0

In general, in Transylvania there are significantly more cases of people scoring more NA than Baltic compared to the rest of the country, so that probably points to the assimilation of Szeklers/Hungarians and Saxons.

[Coastal Elite]

Transylvanian Saxons are the most south shifted Germans in Europe? Thoughts?

[WeirdLookingFellow]

Transylvanian Saxons are the most south shifted Germans in Europe? Thoughts?

Not sure how many Transylvanian Saxons that got "sold" to Germany are still alive - maybe those are less mixed with Romanians.

[Ion Basescul]

Transylvanian Saxons are the most south shifted Germans in Europe? Thoughts?

We don't have a sufficient number of Saxons to be able to conclude that. I personally have seen only 2.

Declared full Saxon

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
28.80	23.90	16.40	11.34	15.81	1.81	0.97	0.44	0	0.32	0.14	0.08	0
30.10	26.02	16.78	7.59	14.70	2.70	0	0.83	0	0.89	0	0	0.37

1/2 Romanian, 1/2 Saxon

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
28.88	26.28	17.72	10.59	11.28	1.75	0.52	0	1.14	1.07	0.36	0	0.40
29.21	27.19	15.89	5.67	15.46	4.29	0.36	1.58	0	0	0.24	0	0.12
28.31	24.08	18.71	11.31	11.92	2.05	0.57	1.91	0	0.48	0.59	0	0.07

3/4 Romanian, 1/4 Bucovina German

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
30.72	21.91	14.63	10.87	17.11	2.33	1.47	0.95	0	0	0	0	0

1/2 Romanian, 1/2 German American

N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
30.99	33.00	15.18	6.85	9.60	1.65	1.76	0	0.77	0	0	0	0.21

[Leto]

I posted a half Banat German on the German Gedmatch thread.

[Ion Basescul]

I posted a half Banat German on the German Gedmatch thread.

I only saw the 1/2 German from Germany and 1/2 from Transylvania whose ethnicity you did not specify.

[Leto]

I only saw the 1/2 German from Germany and 1/2 from Transylvania whose ethnicity you did not specify.

Yeah, and Banat is Transylvania as far as I know. Banat is a less widely known name. That person is fully German American.