Brand new genetic study on the origins of Huns, Avars and Hungarian Conquerors

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Originally Posted by Leto

I don't know when exactly they appeared in Russia but I assume it was later than in Romania/Bulgaria and also it was probably only in Southern parts initially, including modern Ukraine. They often speak with a Southern or Ukrainian-like accent. Plus many moved to Russia more recently from Moldova.
The Soviet Union tried to create some artificial culture for almost all ethnic groups. Authors, poets, musicians, actors, etc. But Romani music was indeed somewhat famous. I was born in '91, not a Soviet person, so I have no personal experience from those times. Overall, the Tziganes are still the same thieves and fortune tellers in Russia as everywhere else. Sad but true.

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Maybe because Russians are thieves and lazy gopniks themselfes they have more tolerance for them. I noticed that about Serbia, in Serbia gypsies say "Tito stole but he let us steal too" and they liked Tito as well as Milosevic because he allows them "to steal". And there are so many in Serbia, I cannot imagine them to live like that in those large numbers in western europe.

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Originally Posted by Blondie

I dont belive in the genetic if someone has euro mixed ancestry for example half slovak half hungarian, but i do belive in genetic if someone has half black or half arab. I hope its clear now.



Who said that im conservative? Im liberal, not conservative. And be happy that there are no gypsies in Russia only in insignificant number, because it seems you have no idea about them if you think they are european.

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Why do you mean you don't believe in genetics in case of a mixed European? You don't believe in the accuracy of genetic tests or that you don't find genetics important / relevant?

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

Maybe because Russians are thieves and lazy gopniks themselfes they have more tolerance for them. I noticed that about Serbia, in Serbia gypsies say "Tito stole but he let us steal too" and they liked Tito as well as Milosevic because he allows them "to steal". And there are so many in Serbia, I cannot imagine them to live like that in those large numbers in western europe.

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We are not thieves, don't compare Russians to Gypsies. Russians are actually hardworking people. Gypsies are just not that numerous and more dispersed in Russia. But make no mistake, the general reputation of them is the same everywhere. From Spain to Russia.

Your people need to stop being Gypsies, only then the plight will end. You are mixed and uprooted yourself, if you were healthy, you would mix further and your kids would be whites with zero Gypsy culture.

Anyway, I wanted to stop this offtopic discussion and then you showed up out of fucking nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Leto

We are not thieves, don't compare Russians to Gypsies. Russians are actually hardworking people. Gypsies are just not that numerous and more dispersed in Russia. But make no mistake, the general reputation of them is the same everywhere. From Spain to Russia.

Your people need to stop being Gypsies, only then the plight will end. You are mixed and uprooted yourself, if you were healthy, you would mix further and your kids would be whites with zero Gypsy culture.

Anyway, I wanted to stop this offtopic discussion and then you showed up out of fucking nowhere.

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You changed now your opinion though. Russians might think of themselfes as hardworking but gypsies think good about themselfes for example if you ask me to describe what gypsies are i would not call them thieves or something, but in other words, russians have just more power in the world to describe themselfes who they are. But in some places russians but also poles are thieves, plumbers and lazy drunks. Thats how someone else will describe you just like russians describe the gypsies as thieves.

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

You changed now your opinion though. Russians might think of themselfes as hardworking but gypsies think good about themselfes for example if you ask me to describe what gypsies are i would not call them thieves or something, but in other words, russians have just more power in the world to describe themselfes who they are. But in some places russians but also poles are thieves, plumbers and lazy drunks. Thats how someone else will describe you just like russians describe the gypsies as thieves.

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I did not change my opinion. I have been advocating for Gypsy assimilation for a long time, as opposed to some completely unrealistic ideas that I hear sometimes on the far right.
I knew a Russian Gyspy and believe it or not, he was a Hitler sympathizer (against immigration of Muslims to Germany). :D He was a proud Romani, spoke Romani and had some interest in Indian languages.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I did not change my opinion. I have been advocating for Gypsy assimilation for a long time, as opposed to some completely unrealistic ideas that I hear sometimes on the far right.
I knew a Russian Gyspy and believe it or not, he was a Hitler sympathizer (against immigration of Muslims to Germany). :D He was a proud Romani, spoke Romani and had some interest in Indian languages.

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I also believe that mixing with gypsies and assimilating them is better than having them grow as a "paralel society", but it won't happen. Firstly, assimilation should've happened when their number was small. Secondly, you can't force two people live with each other as partners if they (or at least one of them) are not willing. It just won't work.

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Originally Posted by Turul Karom

I type in English because I want non-Hungarians to be able to read it, specifically Turkish members and those on my friends list. It is the Lingua Franca of the forum for a reason. You will not dictate to me the language of response. We have spoken in Hungarian and the conversation dies after little communication. Otherwise it is pointless for a public thread. You have brought this up before, and we have talked about it in the past. I have written in Hungarian when relevant to other users as fit and have helped decipher or translate Hungarian in public threads. If you are trying to accuse me of something, then be more forward with it.

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No, its not answer, in the last 4 years i have never seen any hungarian comment from you in these topics what you love so much, every single hungarian user do it, except you, but we have talked about this turkic "identity" among hungarian too and you have never been there. There were many times that these debates started in english (you also wrote in english) but after a while we continued it hungarian you have always disappeared.
In the past you sent me only 1 pm, i would not call it communication, and it means nothing because if i have enough time i also can write such message in english like a native, but you never join us when we are talking in hungarian, never in the last 4 years. So let's go speak hungarian, you are a hungarian guy from Hungary, so its not difficult for sure, and we can continue this debate in hungarian.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I'm well aware of what the Roma are.

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No you dont, nobody call gpsies europeans because of their non european behaviour. Nobody cares the genetic, you also said the number of gypsies insignificant in Russia, just because you know only one good gypsie, it doesnt mean they behave like europeans. Just ask serbian, romanian, hungarian, bulgarian, spanish members about them, they will say same things.

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Originally Posted by Universe

I also believe that mixing with gypsies and assimilating them is better than having them grow as a "paralel society", but it won't happen. You can't force two people live with each other as partners if they (or at least one of them) are not willing. It just won't work.

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Maria Theresia or another Austrian empress forced some Gypsies in Hungary to mix and assimilate. What happened to them are they hungarians now?

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Originally Posted by Blondie

No you dont, nobody call gpsies europeans because of their non european behaviour. Nobody cares the genetic, you also said the number of gypsies insignificant in Russia, just because you know only one good gypsie, it doesnt mean they behave like europeans. Just ask serbian, romanian, hungarian, bulgarian, spanish members about them, they will say same things.

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European is overrated, nowadays you are not forced to act or look or be european to be allowed to live in Europe. Because there are so many immigrants, and the mainstream opinion is that they should integrate but dont need to assimilate.

It is the 21st century