Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

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12-27-2020, 05:23 AM
harutsafaryan07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

Interesting Armenian result (I think he could be a Caucasus Kurd /Yazidi):

Gedrosian: 25.75
Siberian: 0.62
Northwest_African: 1.96
Southeast_Asian: 0.39
Atlantic_Med: 7.02
North_European: 8.44
South_Asian: 1.29
East_African 1.06
Southwest_Asian: 14.05
East_Asian: 0.69
Caucasian: 38.73
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to:Tital
3.01292217Yazidi
3.41925430Kurd_Kurmanji
4.21134183Kurd_Sorani
4.66652976Zaza
4.78719124Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.30379110Kurd_KAZ
5.57410979Azerbaijani_Iran
5.83018868Lur_Iran
5.90167773Iranian
7.04306751Iranian_Fars
7.04687165Azerbaijani
7.88792748Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.33204158Udi_Azerbaijan
9.50637155Turk_Southeast
9.62832280Iran_Mazandaran
11.02708030Iraqi_Baghdad
11.12204118Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.38829662Turk_East
11.46684787Iran_Khorasan
12.63522853Turk_Central_East
12.95309229Mandean
13.43326840Turk_South
13.60226084Azeri_Jew
13.66122249Iranian_Jew
14.01900139Iran_Arab

Distance: 1.9026% / 1.90259052
Target: Tital | ADC: 0.5x RC
38.5Yazidi
35.7Kurd_Sorani
13.3Kurd_KAZ
12.5Lezgin

interesting it have Armenian Name or surname ?

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12-27-2020, 03:33 PM
Mejgusu

Results from Turkey. first one from Tokat

Gedrosian: 14.57 Pct
Siberian: 5.23 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.45 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 12.07 Pct
North_European: 11.63 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 10.51 Pct
East_Asian: 4.80 Pct
Caucasian: 38.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turk_Tokat
3.03893073 Turk_Central_West
3.17762490 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.22708847 Turk_South
3.77708883 Turk_West_BlackSea
4.14721593 Turk_Central_East
4.60920817 Turk_Southwest
6.79115601 Turk_Northwest
6.88631251 Turk_Southeast
8.29195996 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.57961538 Azerbaijani
10.26701028 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.62410937 Turk_East
12.69294686 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.94720047 Karachay
13.06267966 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.43486881 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.47981083 Turk_Cyprus
13.53201020 Zaza
14.30393652 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.41648362 Balkar
14.92882112 Greek_Crete
14.98312718 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
15.07555969 Armenian_East
15.09878141 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.15357384 Greek_Cappadocia

Distance: 1.5677% / 1.56768594
Target: Turk_Tokat | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.3 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
37.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.3 Qumuq

Turk of unknown origin:

Gedrosian: 10.58 Pct
Siberian: 6.93 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.28 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 0.06 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 14.44 Pct
North_European: 15.55 Pct
South_Asian: 1.1 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 12.3 Pct
East_Asian: 4.57 Pct
Caucasian: 34.12 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.07 Pct

Distance to: Turk?
4.65233275 Turk_Northwest
5.66625097 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.75195619 Turk_Southwest
7.65936681 Turk_Central_West
8.64514315 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
8.99894994 Turk_South
10.21681457 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.82422284 Turk_Central_East
12.35882276 Turk_Southeast
13.03155785 Greek_Crete
13.26543629 Greek_Fournoi
13.36884064 Greek_Lemnos
13.89796748 Greek_Izmir
14.33500959 Turk_Cyprus
14.50799090 Azerbaijani
14.72527080 Greek_Kos
14.73626818 Greek_Foca
14.84566940 MD_Jewish
14.85074072 Italian_Apulia
15.06341927 Turk_Trakya
15.10435699 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.34713002 Ashkenazi_Jews
15.57564445 Greek_Rhodes
16.22715625 Italian_Sicily
16.47930824 Italian_Calabria

Distance: 3.0963% / 3.09627620
Target: Turk? | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.8 Turk_Northwest
31.9 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
16.5 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.8 Kuwait2

Turk from Ardahan:

Gedrosian: 19.55 Pct
Siberian: 1.05 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 6.58 Pct
North_European: 8.2 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 9.14 Pct
East_Asian: 0.05 Pct
Caucasian: 55.43 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turk_Ardahan
2.45336504 Georgian
2.79324184 Turk_Ahiska
4.63818930 Georgian_Turkey
5.03210691 Georgian_Imereti
5.43233835 Georgian_Adjara
5.44135094 Laz
5.77004333 Hemshin
5.78861814 Georgian_Gurian
6.58148919 Abkhazian
7.36267614 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.43264421 Georgian_Mingrelian
7.87850240 Georgian_Svan
8.92061097 Armenian_East
9.26430246 Greek_Pontus
10.41469155 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.24852435 Turk_East
12.06652808 Armenian_West
13.23744688 Circassian
13.53580807 Ossetian
14.88168337 Assyrian_North
14.91095235 Azeri_Jew
15.18303329 Zaza
15.28211700 Assyrian_West
15.46454655 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.49868382 Assyrian_South

Distance: 1.1190% / 1.11900402
Target: Turk_Ardahan | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.2 Turk_Ahiska
35.4 Georgian
25.4 Georgian_Turkey

Turk from Sinop:

Gedrosian: 13.49 Pct
Siberian: 3.48 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.69 Pct
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 15.74 Pct
North_European: 12.64 Pct
South_Asian: 1.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 9.64 Pct
East_Asian: 6.14 Pct
Caucasian: 36.46 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.12 Pct

Distance to: Turk_Sinop
2.77530179 Turk_West_BlackSea
3.76089085 Turk_Southwest
4.29329710 Turk_Central_West
4.88250960 Turk_Northwest
6.29664990 Turk_South
6.96094821 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.17326286 Turk_Central_East
9.46065537 Turk_Southeast
9.93931587 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
11.36871585 Azerbaijani
11.50599409 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.16041118 Greek_Crete
12.63893192 Turk_Cyprus
12.63971914 Greek_Fournoi
13.10814632 Greek_Kos
13.30533727 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.32732531 Greek_Lemnos
13.33562897 Greek_Izmir
13.73535584 Greek_Rhodes
13.86193349 Turk_East
15.13571274 Italian_Apulia
15.17933134 Greek_Foca
15.29494034 MD_Jewish
15.29589814 Karachay
15.61705158 Ashkenazi_Jews

Distance: 2.4496% / 2.44955808
Target: Turk_Sinop | ADC: 0.5x RC
63.3 Turk_West_BlackSea
29.7 Turk_Southwest
6.6 Italian_Abruzzo
0.4 Italian_Marche

75% Zaza + 25% Turk from Elazig:

Gedrosian: 23.38 Pct
Siberian: 0.24 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.45 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 1.57 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 5.67 Pct
North_European: 7.29 Pct
South_Asian: 2.68 Pct
East_African 1.17 Pct
Southwest_Asian: 14.62 Pct
East_Asian: -
Caucasian: 42.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Zaza_Elazig
3.81900511 Zaza
4.12992736 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.69255794 Kurd_KAZ
4.93627390 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.30947267 Kurd_Sorani
6.10652110 Yazidi
6.57343898 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.71184028 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.94416302 Lur_Iran
7.02285554 Iranian
7.92883976 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.21415242 Azerbaijani
8.67430689 Turk_East
9.97055164 Iranian_Fars
10.09867318 Turk_Southeast
10.27843373 Azeri_Jew
10.64149426 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.75366449 Mandean
10.86547284 Iran_Mazandaran
11.01946460 Assyrian_North
11.14820613 Iranian_Jew
11.20885364 Armenian_East
11.40921996 Assyrian_South
11.89496532 Assyrian_West
12.30967912 Armenian_West

Distance: 2.7207% / 2.72066545
Target: Zaza_Elazig | ADC: 0.5x RC
30.0 Kurd_Sorani
25.7 Kurd_KAZ
22.7 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.4 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.2 Azeri_Jew

Turk from Samsun and Trabzon:

Gedrosian: 12.65 Pct
Siberian: 1.41 Pct
Northwest_African: 2.09 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 1.15 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 10.61 Pct
North_European: 11 Pct
South_Asian: 1.47 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 10.33 Pct
East_Asian: 1.93 Pct
Caucasian: 47.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turk_Samsun/Trabzon
7.06555730 Turk_East
8.43860771 Armenian_East
8.90956789 Turk_Central_East
9.72166652 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.81167672 Turk_East_Black_Sea
10.08421043 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.14923642 Turk_Ahiska
10.78355229 Greek_Cappadocia
11.17751761 Turk_Central_West
11.29639766 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.36744035 Armenian_West
11.37021108 Greek_Pontus
11.60589936 Turk_South
11.87835426 Turk_Southeast
12.04041528 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.08816777 Georgian
12.58615906 Hemshin
12.62040015 Ossetian
12.70294454 Circassian
12.81515509 Azerbaijani
12.98166399 Karachay
13.12411140 Laz
13.43209217 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.52932740 Turk_Cyprus
13.57005895 Assyrian_West

Distance: 2.5847% / 2.58470267
Target: Turk_Samsun/Trabzon | ADC: 0.5x RC
37.1 Turk_East_Black_Sea
32.7 Balkar
30.2 Turk_Cyprus
12-27-2020, 04:49 PM
Kyp

From Kastamonu, Turkey (very European looking person)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Turkey.svg

Gedrosian: 12.37
Siberian: 2.33
Northwest_African: 2.23
Southeast_Asian: 0.67
Atlantic_Med: 15.95
North_European: 9.78
South_Asian: 0.53
East_African: 1.25
Southwest_Asian: 11.36
East_Asian: 1.14
Caucasian: 41.62
Sub_Saharan: 0.86

Distance to: Turk_Kastamonou
6.43795775 Turk_Central_East
6.83679750 Turk_Central_West
7.28137350 Turk_Cyprus
7.52456643 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.22526595 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.77693568 Turk_South
8.78095097 Greek_Cappadocia
9.28255891 Greek_Kos
9.39906378 Turk_East
9.40314841 Greek_Rhodes
9.46286426 Turk_Southeast
9.74318736 Turk_Southwest
10.02960617 Greek_Crete
11.02956935 Nusayri_Turkey
11.27171238 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.29650831 Greek_Fournoi
11.46071115 Turk_Northwest
11.50344731 Greek_Cypriot
12.03565121 Azerbaijani
12.06314221 Greek_Izmir
12.16309993 Armenian_East
12.34151530 Greek_Icaria
12.47965144 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.82256605 Lebanese_Muslim
13.20422660 Armenian_West

Distance: 1.1269% / 1.12690554
Target: Turk_Kastamonou | ADC: 0.25x RC
32.8 Greek_Rhodes
26.4 Turk_Central_East
18.0 Ossetian
16.1 Turk_Cyprus
5.2 Greek_Cappadocia
1.5 Sandawe_He
12-27-2020, 05:00 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

From Kastamonu, Turkey (very European looking person)
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Kastamonu_in_Turkey.svg

You mean he has light hair or blue eyes and stuff? Might have substantial Greek ancestry.
12-27-2020, 06:32 PM
Sora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

You mean he has light hair or blue eyes and stuff? Might have substantial Greek ancestry.

He may be half East Black Sea Turk from Rize, Artvin or eastern Trabzon
12-27-2020, 06:34 PM
Sora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

Gedrosian: 14.57 Pct
Siberian: 5.23 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.45 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 12.07 Pct
North_European: 11.63 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 10.51 Pct
East_Asian: 4.80 Pct
Caucasian: 38.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turk_Tokat
3.03893073 Turk_Central_West
3.17762490 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.22708847 Turk_South
3.77708883 Turk_West_BlackSea
4.14721593 Turk_Central_East
4.60920817 Turk_Southwest
6.79115601 Turk_Northwest
6.88631251 Turk_Southeast
8.29195996 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.57961538 Azerbaijani
10.26701028 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.62410937 Turk_East
12.69294686 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.94720047 Karachay
13.06267966 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.43486881 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.47981083 Turk_Cyprus
13.53201020 Zaza
14.30393652 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.41648362 Balkar
14.92882112 Greek_Crete
14.98312718 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
15.07555969 Armenian_East
15.09878141 Talysh_Azerbaijan
15.15357384 Greek_Cappadocia

Distance: 1.5677% / 1.56768594
Target: Turk_Tokat | ADC: 0.5x RC
56.3 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
37.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.3 Qumuq

Looks like what my father would get (he is half Chepni whose ancestors came from Kürtün, Gümüşhane at 1889)
12-27-2020, 06:40 PM
Leto

Interesting how Ardahan came up as Georgian, that's my reference based on around 30 kits I found on Gedmatch. Some of them may be mixed, like 3-5.
12-27-2020, 06:42 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

Looks like what my father would get (he is half Chepni whose ancestors came from Kürtün, Gümüşhane at 1889)

That sample is substantially East Eurasian/Mongoloid (11.4%). Sinop and Kastamonu also score 15% Atlantic Med which is quite elevated for Turkey.
12-27-2020, 06:48 PM
Mejgusu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

Looks like what my father would get (he is half Chepni whose ancestors came from Kürtün, Gümüşhane at 1889)

If you want i can send the link and you can ask the person.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Interesting how Ardahan came up as Georgian, that's my reference based on around 30 kits I found on Gedmatch. Some of them may be mixed, like 3-5.

They are mostly Georgians genetically, they have far more Euro than Lazes. Interesting how Georgiams have some steppe ancestry and Lazes have nearly no North-European.
12-27-2020, 06:54 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

If you want i can send the link and you can ask the person.

They are mostly Georgians genetically, they have far more Euro than Lazes. Interesting how Georgiams have some steppe ancestry and Lazes have nearly no North-European.

The Laz are a bit more Mediterranean, I believe. More Anatolian. The Steppe in Georgians isn't particularly high but I think it's still higher than in Armenians.
12-27-2020, 07:18 PM
Mejgusu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

The Laz are a bit more Mediterranean, I believe. More Anatolian. The Steppe in Georgians isn't particularly high but I think it's still higher than in Armenians.

The interesting thing is it was existing before IE- Expansion and how Lazes escaped from this influence for thousands of years.
12-27-2020, 08:09 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

The interesting thing is it was existing before IE- Expansion and how Lazes escaped from this influence for thousands of years.

I don't know man, the Laz are known for light pigmentation and I still tie light features to North European influence or Steppe.
This guy, Muhammed Suiçmez, is a Turk born in Karlsruhe, Germany and an extreme metal musician. I read his interview a few years ago and he said he doesn't look like most Turks, therefore faces less "discrimination". I presume he is of Laz extraction. Not too often one would meet Turks looking like this
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...vFYt3rqouh4JdA
https://reversecurrent.files.wordpre...mmedsuimez.jpg
12-27-2020, 08:33 PM
Mejgusu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I don't know man, the Laz are known for light pigmentation and I still tie light features to North European influence or Steppe.
This guy, Muhammed Suiçmez, is a Turk born in Karlsruhe, Germany and an extreme metal musician. I read his interview a few years ago and he said he doesn't look like most Turks, therefore faces less "discrimination". I presume he is of Laz extraction. Not too often one would meet Turks looking like this
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...vFYt3rqouh4JdA
https://reversecurrent.files.wordpre...mmedsuimez.jpg

I agree, many Turks claim Lazes are mostly Armenoid but i must disagree sometimes. Yes they rather have more a Caucasian look than an Euro- look but many have definitely very light appearance which makes them very special. Here people from Trabzon are one of the biggest groups from Turkey. Some look like regular Turks and some are have special lool where i never would guess any relation to Caucasia. That should be an important lesson: appearance =/= genetics!
12-27-2020, 08:38 PM
Fedora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

He may be half East Black Sea Turk from Rize, Artvin or eastern Trabzon

Nah, his caucasus would be higher and North Euro and Atlantic med lower.
there are 10 other results from the coastline in that region and his results seems typical for central black sea coastline, there are results from türkeli,inebolu, sinop who score like that 2-4% eurasian. In non-coastal provinces its like 5-10%. Seems the coastline have absorbed more rums in their dna. o yorede 20yüzyila kadar rumlarda varmis sahil kenarlarinda.
also it shows that even in western black sea region North Euro seems to have been low, he scores 9% NE eventhough genetically he's pretty native, we can assume that the Turcomans scored higher NE than Greeks in Anatolia in almost every province except in Istanbul and Thrace.
12-27-2020, 08:46 PM
Kivan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I don't know man, the Laz are known for light pigmentation and I still tie light features to North European influence or Steppe.
This guy, Muhammed Suiçmez, is a Turk born in Karlsruhe, Germany and an extreme metal musician. I read his interview a few years ago and he said he doesn't look like most Turks, therefore faces less "discrimination". I presume he is of Laz extraction. Not too often one would meet Turks looking like this

Spoiler!

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...vFYt3rqouh4JdA
https://reversecurrent.files.wordpre...mmedsuimez.jpg

Individuals with this look can be found non-typically in any region of Turkey (except maybe in Kurdish areas).

People from Turkey generally lightwash Eastern Black Sea people.
12-27-2020, 08:51 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

I agree, many Turks claim Lazes are mostly Armenoid but i must disagree sometimes. Yes they rather have more a Caucasian look than an Euro- look but many have definitely very light appearance which makes them very special. Here people from Trabzon are one of the biggest groups from Turkey. Some look like regular Turks and some are have special lool where i never would guess any relation to Caucasia. That should be an important lesson: appearance =/= genetics!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kivan

Individuals with this look can be found non-typically in any region of Turkey (except maybe in Kurdish areas).

People from Turkey generally lightwash Eastern Black Sea people.

User altaic is another 'white-passer' from Turkey, from Eastern Turkey, I believe. Though he seems to love his miniscule Mongoloid most xD But I still wonder how that guy would score on a DNA test. There are plenty of darker natives in Northeastern Europe for examples, darker than him.
12-28-2020, 10:49 AM
Sora

Not only Laz people are lightest. Circassians, Bosniaks & Albanians are known for their light features also.

Phenotype is not always equal to genotype, the proof is my Pakistani friend's maternal aunt. She looks very Uzbek or Kyrgyz but is a Pakistani from Karachi. My friend claims her own ancestors came from Hyderabad, India to Karachi in 1947

Quote:

The community traces its origins to the shifting of the Delhi Sultanate's capital from Delhi to Daulatabad in 1327 during the reign of Muhammad bin Tughluq, and come from various native and foreign ethnic backgrounds [4] The migration of Urdu speaking peoples to the Deccan led to the creation of a new variety of Urdu called Deccani, as well as the establishment of the Bahmani Sultanate, which was the first Independent Muslim kingdom in southern India,[5] and the Deccan Sultanates which followed its demise.[6] Deccani Muslims can have Arab, Afghan, Persian, and Turkic ancestries in addition to having the local Indian heritage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deccani_Muslims

I guess my Pakistani friend have some Turkic ancestry on her maternal side. I've heard many Kipchak & Karluk Turkics settled in Indian sub-continent. She already looks dark Turkish (her facial features can pass as ethnic Turk, Kurd or Azeri but skin color is too dark for passing as typical here)
12-28-2020, 01:58 PM
Mejgusu

Someone from Astrakhan:

Gedrosian: 10.38 Pct
Siberian: 19.33 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.08 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 8.44 Pct
North_European: 19.83 Pct
South_Asian: 1.74 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 0.89 Pct
East_Asian: 23.27 Pct
Caucasian: 15.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Astrakhan
6.42874016 Nogai_Astrakhan
8.32776080 Karakalpak
9.97060179 Turkmen_Afghanistan
10.48019084 Uzbeks
12.71459791 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
13.02080643 Uzbek
15.04452724 Kazakh
15.27373890 Uyghur
15.63602251 Bashkir
17.28407359 Turkmen_TKM
18.08734641 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
18.71860839 Hazara
19.25444884 Lipka_Tatar
19.56788696 Kyrgyz
24.42454094 Turkmen_Iran
24.42454094 Turkmen_Iran
25.56347981 Nogai
28.92288367 Tajik_Tajikistan
29.21563109 Tatar_Kazan
29.47523198 Altai
30.14475576 Tajik_Balkh
31.14878970 Turk_Northwest
31.97548436 Kalmyk
32.02817666 Tajiks
32.45579455 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Distance: 2.7816% / 2.78163025
Target: Astrakhan | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.4 Karakalpak
30.1 Nogai_Astrakhan
19.2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
11.3 Nogai
12-28-2020, 08:30 PM
Mejgusu

Turk from Zonguldak:

Gedrosian: 14.55 Pct
Siberian: 6.11 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 0.55 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 14.26 Pct
North_European: 10.72 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 9.68 Pct
East_Asian: 7.99 Pct
Caucasian: 36.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan:-

Distance to: Turk_Zonguldak
3.43476346 Turk_Southwest
4.93180494 Turk_Central_West
4.96382917 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.24609378 Turk_South
5.49634424 Turk_Northwest
5.53632550 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.27542439 Turk_Central_East
9.20029891 Turk_Southeast
10.93872936 Azerbaijani
10.98004554 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.52908217 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.69753126 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.16340002 Turk_East
14.67726473 Turk_Cyprus
15.58670908 Greek_Crete
15.67778683 Karachay
15.96141911 Kurd_Kurmanji
15.99171035 Greek_Kos
16.05650024 Greek_Fournoi
16.37856221 Zaza
16.45106987 Greek_Rhodes
16.54517755 Turkmen_Iran
16.54517755 Turkmen_Iran
16.58842970 Udi_Azerbaijan
16.90304410 Greek_Izmir

Distance: 2.5074% / 2.50741078
Target: Turk_Zonguldak | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.9 Turk_Southwest
31.8 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.3 Korean

Turk from Samsun:

Gedrosian: 12.13 Pct
Siberian: 2.89 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.02 Pct
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 13.81 Pct
North_European: 10.91 Pct
South_Asian: 3.72 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 9.32 Pct
East_Asian: 4.39 Pct
Caucasian: 42.82 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turk_Samsun
6.11091646 Turk_Central_East
6.57638198 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.81458729 Turk_Central_West
7.15905720 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.95213179 Turk_South
9.14384492 Turk_Southwest
9.56140157 Turk_East
9.76456860 Turk_Southeast
10.37900284 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.02658152 Turk_Northwest
11.43835215 Azerbaijani
11.53896442 Greek_Cappadocia
11.74846373 Turk_Cyprus
12.60990484 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.77071650 Armenian_East
12.87614849 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.36364845 Greek_Kos
13.43307485 Karachay
13.50979645 Greek_Rhodes
13.52046597 Greek_Crete
14.49442996 Greek_Fournoi
14.62094730 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.65147774 Armenian_West
14.78202287 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.80913232 Nusayri_Turkey

Distance: 2.3144% / 2.31443180
Target: Turk_Samsun | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.2 Greek_Cappadocia
24.6 Karachay
22.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.3 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.5 Pulliyar

Turk from Ankara and Izmir:

Gedrosian: 14.25 Pct
Siberian: 6.78 Pct
Northwest_African: 1.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 0.72 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 14.26 Pct
North_European: 13.45 Pct
South_Asian: 1.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 10.69 Pct
East_Asian: 3.67 Pct
Caucasian: 33.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turk_Ank/Izm
2.83497795 Turk_Northwest
3.57400336 Turk_Southwest
4.83411833 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.09657281 Turk_Central_West
6.81958943 Turk_South
8.72932987 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.21373431 Turk_Central_East
9.58997393 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.06602205 Turk_Southeast
11.82282115 Azerbaijani
12.48243165 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.54093054 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.27787799 Greek_Crete
14.70170058 Greek_Lemnos
14.82248630 Greek_Fournoi
15.00917719 Turk_Cyprus
15.44828793 Greek_Izmir
15.59875316 Greek_Kos
16.07720747 Turkmen_Iran
16.07720747 Turkmen_Iran
16.08365630 Turk_East
16.14692540 Italian_Apulia
16.28107183 Qumuq
16.31483374 MD_Jewish
16.34024480 Greek_Rhodes

Distance: 1.9612% / 1.96118616
Target: Turk_Ank/Izm | ADC: 0.5x RC
89.4 Turk_Northwest
6.5 Iraqi_Arab
4.1 Tajik_Herat
12-28-2020, 08:34 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I don't know man, the Laz are known for light pigmentation and I still tie light features to North European influence or Steppe.
This guy, Muhammed Suiçmez, is a Turk born in Karlsruhe, Germany and an extreme metal musician. I read his interview a few years ago and he said he doesn't look like most Turks, therefore faces less "discrimination". I presume he is of Laz extraction. Not too often one would meet Turks looking like this
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88...vFYt3rqouh4JdA
https://reversecurrent.files.wordpre...mmedsuimez.jpg

What? Why you didn't take into account possibility he is of Balkan Turk ancestry (Bosniak for example). It is much more possible to be blond in such case than being Laz lol.
12-29-2020, 06:36 AM
harutsafaryan07

Stavropol Armenian

Gedrosia 20.77 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.14 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.88 Pct
North_European 8.15 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.21 Pct
East_Asian 0.15 Pct
Caucasus 47.69 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Armenian_Stavropol
2.12308737 Udi_Azerbaijan
4.19010740 Armenian_Syunik
4.27242320 Turk_East
4.71016985 Armenian_Karabakh
4.96930579 Armenian_East
6.66698583 Turk_Ahiska
6.81202613 Armenian_Iran
7.29080242 Zaza
7.73954779 Armenian_West
9.05311549 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.15573591 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.21329474 Azeri_Jew
9.36859648 Assyrian_North
9.40854930 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.44534277 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.79115417 Kurd_KAZ
9.79357953 Assyrian_West
9.89887367 Georgian
9.92072074 Assyrian_South
10.12845497 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.43247334 Hemshin
10.46331687 Greek_Pontus
10.67518150 Azerbaijani
10.98192606 Turk_Central_East

Also Armenian from Rostov

Gedrosia 19.76 Pct
Siberian 0.51 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.15 Pct
Atlantic_Med 10.01 Pct
North_European 6.27 Pct
South_Asian 0.41 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 15.07 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.81 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Armenian_Rostov
3.70499663 Armenian_East
4.71501856 Turk_East
4.99143266 Armenian_West
5.90855312 Azeri_Jew
5.98060198 Assyrian_North
6.49164078 Assyrian_West
6.60990923 Assyrian_South
7.73497253 Zaza
8.28030797 Turk_Ahiska
8.96105463 Iranian_Jew
9.09764255 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.43452702 Mandean
9.43949151 Kurdish_Jew
9.47988397 Greek_Pontus
9.73120753 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.01365568 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.02402614 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.23729945 Hemshin
10.27751429 Kurd_KAZ
10.35833964 Iraqi_Jew
10.84607763 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.21651461 Laz
11.27805391 Kurd_Sorani
11.29328119 Turk_Southeast
12-29-2020, 07:55 AM
Abriekman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Two Republican Azerbaijanis and one bilingual Iranian (Persian and Azerbaijani speaker) from Tehran

Gedrosia 19.12 Pct
Siberian 3.82 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 2.1 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.72 Pct
North_European 7.6 Pct
South_Asian 2.96 Pct
East_African 0.54 Pct
Southwest_Asian 12.48 Pct
East_Asian 3.1 Pct
Caucasus 40.55 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lale
3.13111801 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.95173380 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.05328262 Azerbaijani
4.91045823 Turk_Southeast
6.50060766 Turk_Central_East
6.77924775 Zaza
6.84606456 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.10713726 Turk_East
7.43995968 Turk_South
7.59674930 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Distance: 2.1854% / 2.18538642
Target: Lale | ADC: 0.5x RC
86.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.7 Kurdish_Jew
2.3 PANIYA

Gedrosia 19.31 Pct
Siberian 4.5 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.34 Pct
North_European 8.59 Pct
South_Asian 3.74 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.96 Pct
East_Asian 3.26 Pct
Caucasus 41.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: FA
2.75000000 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.34104826 Azerbaijani
4.63739151 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.57801040 Turk_Southeast
6.15684172 Turk_Central_East
6.92896818 Turk_East
7.02281995 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.14557206 Turk_South
7.30209559 Zaza
7.54063658 Kurd_Kurmanji

Distance: 1.7853% / 1.78532954
Target: FA | ADC: 0.5x RC
75.5 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.4 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.4 Abkhazian
1.7 Pulliyar

Gedrosia 25 Pct
Siberian 2.87 Pct
Northwest_African 0.58 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.07 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.33 Pct
North_European 6.92 Pct
South_Asian 2.74 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.41 Pct
East_Asian 0.25 Pct
Caucasus 38.8 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Mehrdad
2.67566814 Kurd_Kurmanji
2.93069958 Yazidi
3.53328459 Kurd_Sorani
4.30532229 Zaza
4.55893628 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.70242491 Lur_Iran
4.85666552 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.15089313 Iranian
5.45804910 Kurd_KAZ
6.52170990 Azerbaijani

Distance: 1.1673% / 1.16727193
Target: Mehrdad | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.3 Kurd_Kurmanji
32.1 Kurd_Sorani
24.3 Iranian
2.3 Selkup

Isn't South Asian basically part of East Eurasian in case of West Asians or Europeans, since it is related to steppe? In your comments there are East Asian components in red color, but South Asian not
12-29-2020, 07:29 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abriekman

Isn't South Asian basically part of East Eurasian in case of West Asians or Europeans, since it is related to steppe? In your comments there are East Asian components in red color, but South Asian not

Well, even if South Asian is technically East Eurasian too, popularly people mean 'Mongoloid' when they say 'East Eurasian'. So basically the red components are Mongoloid. Also I don't think people like Azerbaijanis or Turks actually have Negrito or Australoid admixture, so that South Asian thing may as well be part West Eurasian. At any rate, I treat the South Asians and the East Asians as different races/racial components.
12-29-2020, 07:51 PM
Abriekman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Well, even if South Asian is technically East Eurasian too, popularly people mean 'Mongoloid' when they say 'East Eurasian'. So the red components are Mongoloid. Also I don't think people like Azerbaijanis or Turks actually have Negrito or Australoid admixture, so that South Asian think may as well be part West Eurasian. At any rate, I treat the South Asians and the East Asians as different races/racial components.

I noticed many people from countries, in where people have some Mongoloid admixture can have more South Asian, but then reduced East Asian and Siberian,
12-29-2020, 09:30 PM
Mejgusu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abriekman

I noticed many people from countries, in where people have some Mongoloid admixture can have more South Asian, but then reduced East Asian and Siberian,

Because this countries are probably some Westasian/Southern Central Asian. That amount of South Asian has neither steppe nor Turkic origin, but it is present among many nowadays Iranics and Turkics.
12-29-2020, 09:49 PM
Abriekman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

Because this countries are probably some Westasian/Southern Central Asian. That amount of South Asian has neither steppe nor Turkic origin, but it is present among many nowadays Iranics and Turkics.

İ remember I read about 3 siblings, 2 of them scored 3-4% East Asian and 0% South Asian, Siberian, while other about 2% South Asian and 1% Eastern Eurasian. I disagree, South Asian is steppe related component
12-29-2020, 09:52 PM
Leto

Siberian/East Asian doesn't get misread as South Asian.
12-29-2020, 09:57 PM
Abriekman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Siberian/East Asian doesn't get misread as South Asian.

It does sometimes to my knowledge. Not in cases of Central or Eastern Asians, but in cases of Europeans and West Asians
12-29-2020, 10:00 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abriekman

It does sometimes to my knowledge. Not in cases of Central or Eastern Asians, but in cases of Europeans and West Asians

I am not sure of that and won't treat it as Mongoloid anyway. Let's not debate this here.
12-29-2020, 10:59 PM
Javid

Azerbaijani — All ancestors from Daralayaz, modern day Armenia

Gedrosia 22.8
Siberian 3.62
Northwest African 0
Southeast Asian 0
Atlantic Med 8.55
North European 9.43
South Asian 2.31
East African 0.94
Southwest Asian 12.6
East Asian 1.79
Caucasus 37.96
Sub Saharan 0

7/8 Azerbaijani + 1/8 Kurdish from Ighdir, Turkey

Gedorsia 19
Siberian 4.4
Northwest African 0.55
Southeast Asian 0
Atlantic Med 8.83
North European 8.63
South Asian 3.39
East African 0.53
Southwest Asian 10.15
East Asian 2.94
Caucasus 41.59
Sub Saharan 0
12-30-2020, 09:58 AM
Kyp

50% Lebanese/Syrian 50% Syrian Turkmen/Zaza (very pretty girl!)

Gedrosian: 15.25
Siberian: 1.20
Northwest_African: 5.32
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 11.63
North_European: 2.91
South_Asian: 1.20
East_African: 2.31
Southwest_Asian: 18.66
East_Asian: 0.68
Caucasian: 38.18
Sub_Saharan: 2.67

Distance to: LTZ
4.14820443 Lebanese_Muslim
6.31540973 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.32326656 Syrian_Muslim
8.05354580 Nusayri_Turkey
8.12925581 Palestinian
9.09178750 Jordanian_Muslim
9.13926146 Iranian_Jew
9.31659809 Iraqi_Jew
9.33489689 Mandean
9.43846916 Iran_Arab
9.49828406 Kurdish_Jew
9.67222829 Lebanese_Christian
9.71073633 Iraqi_Arab
10.32775871 Turk_Southeast
10.51772314 Assyrian_South
10.74961395 Azeri_Jew
10.76665222 Assyrian_West
11.13673202 Assyrian_North
11.15658550 Palestinian_Christian
11.34595082 Syrian_SW_Christian
11.71530623 Turk_Cyprus
11.76964316 Jordanian_Christian
11.96974102 Turk_Central_East
12.28187689 Kurd_Sorani
12.69604663 Kurd_Kurmanji

Distance: 2.1876% / 2.18760190
Target: LTZ | ADC: 0.5x RC
70.7 Lebanese_Muslim
15.3 Yazidi
7.1 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.0 Algerian
2.9 Iraqi_Baghdad
12-30-2020, 10:49 AM
Kaazi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abriekman

Isn't South Asian basically part of East Eurasian in case of West Asians or Europeans, since it is related to steppe? In your comments there are East Asian components in red color, but South Asian not

West Asians like Iranics and Turkics can have lil certain South Asian admixture. Indus Valley (IVC) admixture was present during the Bronze Age in the regions where Iranics and Turkics people probably lived. The Turkmenistan Gonur2 from Bronze Age, Uzbekistan Bustan 2nd outlier from Bronze Age had pretty good amount of IVC admixture; they cluster closer to Pakistan Swat Valley sample. Shahr-I-Sokhta (SIS-BA3) from Iran is well known for having highest AASI admixture in the West Asia. IVC had trade links with Central Asia and West Asia, and these admixture are probably trade related from those ancient ages and not East Asian getting misread into South Asian.

Distance to: UZB_Bustan_BA_o2
0.02194026 PAK_Aligrama_H
0.02405216 PAK_Butkara_H
0.02491273 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
0.02855427 PAK_Katelai_IA
0.02861885 PAK_Barikot_MA
0.03256142 PAK_Loebanr_IA
0.03558024 PAK_Gogdara_IA
0.03731251 PAK_Butkara_IA
0.03750580 PAK_Udegram_IA
0.04067304 PAK_Barikot_H
0.04265189 PAK_Aligrama_IA
0.04501774 PAK_Arkotkila_IA
0.05451833 PAK_Barikot_IA
0.05804350 PAK_Katelai_LBA
0.06871632 TKM_Gonur2_BA

Distance to: TKM_Gonur2_BA
0.06340015 PAK_Butkara_H
0.06601862 PAK_Aligrama_IA
0.06603294 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.06871632 UZB_Bustan_BA_o2
0.06875081 PAK_Loebanr_IA
0.06986993 PAK_Katelai_IA
0.07233217 PAK_Butkara_IA
0.07414122 PAK_Gogdara_IA
0.07469894 PAK_Udegram_IA
0.07576701 PAK_Katelai_LBA
0.07629693 PAK_Aligrama_H
0.07753492 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
0.07966599 PAK_Barikot_MA
0.08085833 PAK_Barikot_H
0.08211194 PAK_Arkotkila_IA

Distance to: IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
0.04651431 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o
0.05519422 IND_Roopkund_A
0.07368012 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.08838259 PAK_Katelai_LBA
0.10095183 PAK_Aligrama_IA
0.10863171 PAK_Butkara_H
0.12066857 PAK_Barikot_MA
0.12106882 PAK_Aligrama_H
0.12319925 UZB_Bustan_BA_o2
0.13050725 PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H
0.13568345 TKM_Gonur2_BA
0.14338216 PAK_Katelai_IA
0.14439890 PAK_Gogdara_IA
0.14643618 PAK_Loebanr_IA
0.15052197 PAK_Barikot_H

Distance to: UZB_Bustan_BA_o2
0.03148387 Gujar_Pakistan
0.03205168 Gujar_India
0.03446341 Kohistani
0.03536616 Sindhi
0.03548991 Kashmiri_Pandit
0.03607671 Khatri
0.03830030 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.03891214 Brahmin_Gujarat
0.04751272 Punjabi_Jatt
0.05020087 Kamboj
0.05551547 Burusho
0.06098778 Yusufzai
0.06104826 Pashtun
0.06736266 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu
0.06831523 Kshatriya

Distance to: TKM_Gonur2_BA
0.07080459 Gujar_Pakistan
0.07210301 Sindhi
0.07375624 Gujar_India
0.08081895 Khatri
0.08376921 Kohistani
0.08630518 Punjabi_Sikh_India
0.08672672 Brahmin_Gujarat
0.08711466 Kashmiri_Pandit
0.08927376 Kamboj
0.09094661 Punjabi_Jatt
0.09787014 Yusufzai
0.09860635 Brahui
0.09882546 Pashtun
0.10220102 Balochi
0.10269746 Kalash

Distance to: IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
0.03240036 Velamas
0.03724464 Piramalai
0.03843608 Kurumba
0.04039557 Yadava
0.04413825 Maratha
0.04437636 Dusadh
0.04712160 Gujarati
0.04831829 Kol
0.05170136 Kamboj_o
0.05185017 Chamar
0.05185488 Kanjar
0.05211794 Sakilli
0.05461040 Dharkar
0.05486879 Punjabi_Lahore
0.05654033 Uttar_Pradesh
12-30-2020, 03:02 PM
Lucas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

50% Lebanese/Syrian 50% Syrian Turkmen/Zaza (very pretty girl!)

Pics or didn't happen.
12-30-2020, 04:45 PM
Kyp

Iranian Georgian from Mashadd + Khorasan Turkmen or Turk:

Gedrosian: 26.19
Siberian: 1.93
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.09
North_European: 9.60
South_Asian 4.35
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 5.76
East_Asian: 3.70
Caucasian: 41.38
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Khorasan_Georgian_Turk
7.55074831 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.20129258 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.61618825 Azerbaijani_Iran
8.74334032 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.85717788 Iranian
9.33191299 Azerbaijani
9.57959811 Zaza
9.84274860 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.11304603 Yazidi
10.23236043 Kurd_KAZ
10.50716898 Iran_Mazandaran
10.61895946 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.62246676 Iran_Khorasan
10.83462044 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.29569830 Ingush
11.30011062 Lur_Iran
11.92984493 Iranian_Fars
11.95060668 Kurd_Sorani
12.62871727 Turk_East
12.71438949 Turk_Southeast
13.27104367 Circassian
13.29753361 Karachay
13.58647121 Chechen
13.64845046 Turk_Central_East
13.72421582 Ossetian

Distance: 2.4625% / 2.46249260
Target: Khorasan_Georgian_Turk | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.0 Georgian_Adjara
26.2 Iran_Khorasan
24.5 Ingush
13.3 Burusho
12-31-2020, 02:14 AM
Saba

An Afro-Iraqi match of mine:

Gedrosia 11.06
Siberian 0.92
Northwest_African 1.56
Southeast_Asian 0.17
Atlantic_Med 3.28
North_European 0.28
South_Asian 6.98
East_African 11.52
Southwest_Asian 19.22
East_Asian 1.24
Caucasus 17.96
Sub_Saharan 25.81

Distance: 2.1828% / 2.18282300
Target: afro-iraqi | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.0 Yemenite_mixed
24.3 Luhya
16.1 Iran_Bandari
10.6 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
12-31-2020, 07:37 AM
Roman-Anatolian

Differences beetween Greek_Pontus and Laz

Distancedifference:(AC-BC) ↑
A:Greek_Pontus
B:Laz
C:↴
-5.08935548 Greek_Cypriot
-4.76471305 Lebanese_Christian
-4.74072502 Greek_Cappadocia
-4.73219263 Sephardic_Jews
-4.73176213 Palestinian_Christian
-4.71559735 Jordanian_Christian
-4.69843462 Syrian_SW_Christian
-4.68991537 Nusayri_Turkey
-4.65299738 Morocco_Jews
-4.57182317 Italian_Jews
-4.47736996 Turk_Cyprus
-4.41556251 Greek_Rhodes
-4.35516903 Greek_Icaria
-4.30920536 Greek_Kos
-4.21221479 Sardinian
-4.20579057 Italian_Calabria
-4.17902425 Palestinian
-4.16330842 Ashkenazi_Jews
-4.13189970 Coptic
-4.10398795 Jordanian_Muslim
-4.05489848 MD_Jewish
-4.02983639 Egyptian
-4.02352794 Lebanese_Muslim
-3.99585426 Italian_Campania
-3.92795706 Bedouin

Distancedifference:(AC-BC) ↓
A:Greek_Pontus
B:Laz
C:↴
5.18004723 Georgian_Turkey
5.12450476 Georgian_Imereti
4.98774009 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.97125865 Georgian_Adjara
4.68505131 Georgian_Svan
4.62019136 Georgian_Gurian
3.85033702 Abkhazian
3.77965958 Georgian
3.05981523 Hemshin
2.37343419 Turk_Ahiska
1.85494210 Kumyks
1.83738641 Circassian
1.75536937 Ossetian
1.44260730 Ingush
1.37787021 Chechen
1.27772542 Lak
1.11576642 Dargin
1.10991426 Lak
21.09643193 Balkar
1.06012496 Avar
1.03897056 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
1.00107739 Lezgin
0.89023220 Tabasaran
0.86906018 Karachay
0.82734529 Iran_Mazandaran
01-01-2021, 05:06 PM
Leto

Azerbaijani

Gedrosia 20.07 Pct
Siberian 3.56 Pct
Northwest_African 0.3 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.79 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.28 Pct
North_European 10.61 Pct
South_Asian 1.57 Pct
East_African 0.5 Pct
Southwest_Asian 11 Pct
East_Asian 1.3 Pct
Caucasus 44.87 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.17 Pct

Distance to: Zara
6.22454818 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.89066035 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.94802850 Turk_East
7.72383972 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79316367 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.82625709 Zaza
8.22758774 Azerbaijani
9.08007159 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.34027837 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.77825138 Kurd_KAZ

Distance: 0.5617% / 0.56170554
Target: Zara | ADC: 0.25x RC
34.1 Talysh_Azerbaijan
32.2 Abkhazian
13.3 Kumyks
9.2 Turk_East
8.2 Kuwait1
2.8 Selkup
0.2 Dolgan

Distance: 2.9612% / 2.96119245
Target: Zara | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.5 Turk_East
31.5 Talysh_Azerbaijan
29.0 Kumyks
01-02-2021, 02:10 PM
Kyp

Made new averages for Persians that are not represented by the current averages, not saying they should be used but I still can show them here:

Central Iran:
https://i.imgur.com/WwrvXZs.png

Code:

Gedrosian: 27.04 Siberian: 0.96 Northwest_African: 0.37 Southeast_Asian: 0.64 Atlantic_Med: 6.16 North_European: 7.35 South_Asian: 5.77 East_African: 0.78 Southwest_Asian: 12.87 East_Asian: 0.66 Caucasian: 36.64 Sub_Saharan: 0.68 Distance to: Iran_Central 2.89205809 Iranian_Fars 4.67301830 Yazidi 5.03705271 Lur_Iran 5.07377571 Iran_C_East 5.09387868 Iranian 5.39392251 Kurd_Sorani 6.10942714 Kurd_Kurmanji 6.26991228 Talysh_Azerbaijan 6.57186427 Iran_Khorasan 7.36805945 Azerbaijani_Iran 7.66835054 Kurd_KAZ 7.70552399 Zaza 8.30219248 Iran_Mazandaran 8.69313522 Azerbaijani 9.73280021 Azerbaijani_Turkey 11.50502934 Turk_Southeast 12.42142504 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 12.64367035 Udi_Azerbaijan 12.64558816 Iraqi_Baghdad 13.61564174 Parsi_India 14.39660029 Turk_East 14.72497199 Iran_Arab 14.90382501 Turk_Central_East 15.16603112 Turk_South 15.41227433 Mandean Distance: 1.6382% / 1.63821927 Target: Iran_Central | ADC: 1x RC 70.0 Iranian_Fars 24.1 Talysh_Azerbaijan 4.6 Iranian 1.3 Kurd_Iran

Muslim Persians from Southeast (Kerman & Yazd):
https://i.imgur.com/W4xX2cJ.jpg

Code:

Gedrosian: 29.71 Siberian: 0.99 Northwest_African: 0.30 Southeast_Asian: 0.21 Atlantic_Med: 6.09 North_European: 8.31 South_Asian: 7.60 East_African: 0.85 Southwest_Asian: 12.19 East_Asian: 0.34 Caucasian: 32.96 Sub_Saharan: 0.49 Distance to: Iran_C_East 4.10665314 Iran_Khorasan 4.58541165 Iranian_Fars 5.07377571 Iran_Central 8.86715287 Iranian 9.02535872 Yazidi 9.03735028 Lur_Iran 9.55405673 Iran_Mazandaran 9.88406799 Kurd_Sorani 10.38632274 Parsi_India 10.72913324 Kurd_Kurmanji 11.00971389 Talysh_Azerbaijan 11.61917811 Azerbaijani_Iran 12.05926200 Kurd_KAZ 12.29972764 Iran_Bandari 12.49279392 Zaza 12.51648513 Azerbaijani 13.86884999 Azerbaijani_Turkey 14.07807160 Tajik_Herat 14.55548694 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 15.19324521 Turk_Southeast 16.25764128 Iraqi_Baghdad 17.30855858 Udi_Azerbaijan 17.33499351 Iran_Arab 17.62101019 Lezgin 18.25069588 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan Distance: 1.5069% / 1.50690106 Target: Iran_C_East | ADC: 0.25x RC 54.8 Iranian_Fars 15.4 Iran_Mazandaran 14.0 Yagnobi 12.8 Parsi_India 3.0 Balochi Distance: 2.8652% / 2.86522605 Target: Iran_C_East | ADC: 1x RC 54.9 Iran_Khorasan 45.1 Iranian_Fars

Iranians from Khorasan (this one should replace the old average):
https://i.imgur.com/94UDcvg.jpg

Code:

Gedrosian: 28.01 Siberian: 1.89 Northwest_African: 0.34 Southeast_Asian: 0.29 Atlantic_Med: 6.34 North_European: 9.65 South_Asian: 7.63 East_African: 0.44 Southwest_Asian: 10.14 East_Asian: 2.84 Caucasian: 32.17 Sub_Saharan: 0.26 Distance to: Iran_Khorasan 4.10665314 Iran_C_East 6.52196289 Iranian_Fars 10.23406566 Yazidi 10.38528767 Iranian 10.63411021 Kurd_Iran 10.89079887 Azerbaijani_Iran 11.00347672 Lur_Iran 11.21455305 Kurd_Sorani 11.29245323 Parsi_India 11.34193987 Azerbaijani 11.43593896 Kurd_Kurmanji 11.64028350 Talysh_Azerbaijan 11.65305968 Iran_Mazandaran 12.09814449 Tajik_Herat 12.77682277 Azerbaijani_Turkey 13.16070667 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 13.16269349 Zaza 13.53295976 Kurd_KAZ 13.57530478 Iran_Bandari 14.14508042 Turk_Southeast 15.30758962 Turkmen_Iran 16.04966666 Lezgin 16.37283421 Turk_South 16.55549758 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan 17.04088613 Yagnobi Distance: 1.5852% / 1.58516407 Target: Iran_Khorasan | ADC: 0.5x RC 79.6 Iran_C_East 16.5 Turkmen_Iran 3.9 Tajik_Tajikistan Distance: 1.6577% / 1.65766470 Target: Iran_Khorasan | ADC: 1x RC 80.2 Iran_C_East 19.8 Turkmen_Iran

New improved Mazandaran average (should replace old average):

Code:

Gedrosian: 33.07 Siberian: 0.48 Northwest_African: 0.25 Southeast_Asian: 0.26 Atlantic_Med: 2.86 North_European: 5.68 South_Asian: 5.27 East_African: 0.32 Southwest_Asian: 10.96 East_Asian: 0.26 Caucasian: 40.38 Sub_Saharan: 0.19 Distance to: Iran_Mazandaran2 5.80141362 Iranian 7.75125151 Lur_Iran 8.37274149 Kurd_KAZ 9.02773504 Talysh_Azerbaijan 9.20149988 Iranian_Fars 9.55405673 Iran_C_East 9.98348136 Yazidi 11.23298268 Kurd_Iran 11.38994293 Kurd_Sorani 11.51538536 Kurd_Kurmanji 11.65305968 Iran_Khorasan 11.79963983 Zaza 13.38943987 Azerbaijani_Iran 15.00246646 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 15.12987773 Azerbaijani 15.32309368 Azerbaijani_Turkey 15.53476102 Udi_Azerbaijan 16.34656233 Parsi_India 17.29798543 Iran_Bandari 18.33634915 Turk_Southeast 18.41191191 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan 18.41790705 Turk_East 18.88137972 Iraqi_Baghdad 19.02821064 Lezgin Distance: 3.1540% / 3.15402515 Target: Iran_Mazandaran2 40.6 Balochi 23.8 Georgian_Turkey 23.5 Kurd_KAZ 12.1 Georgian_Svan

Kurds from Iran:

Code:

Gedrosian: 24.60 Siberian: 0.94 Northwest_African: 0.69 Southeast_Asian: 0.50 Atlantic_Med: 8.08 North_European: 7.84 South_Asian: 2.68 East_African: 0.40 Southwest_Asian: 14.56 East_Asian: 0.80 Caucasian: 38.94 Sub_Saharan: 0.04 Distance to: Kurd_Iran 1.65208959 Kurd_Kurmanji 2.40964728 Yazidi 2.75243529 Kurd_Sorani 3.44899986 Zaza 4.45614183 Azerbaijani_Iran 4.45734226 Talysh_Azerbaijan 5.31698223 Iran_Central 5.42853571 Lur_Iran 5.64417399 Kurd_KAZ 5.78879089 Azerbaijani 6.04573403 Iranian 6.63254853 Azerbaijani_Turkey 6.89876076 Iranian_Fars 8.03219771 Turk_Southeast 8.64363928 Udi_Azerbaijan 9.72097732 Iraqi_Baghdad 9.83524784 Iran_C_East 10.22813766 Turk_East 10.63411021 Iran_Khorasan 11.23298268 Iran_Mazandaran 11.33238280 Turk_Central_East 11.73445781 Mandean 11.79381618 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 12.32558315 Turk_South 12.36706918 Azeri_Jew Distance: 1.3647% / 1.36469372 Target: Kurd_Iran | ADC: 1x RC 72.0 Kurd_Kurmanji 28.0 Kurd_Sorani

Improved Fars province average:

Code:

Gedrosian: 27.21 Siberian: 1.00 Northwest_African: 1.37 Southeast_Asian: 0.70 Atlantic_Med: 5.81 North_European: 6.19 South_Asian: 5.89 East_African: 1.22 Southwest_Asian: 14.47 East_Asian: 0.87 Caucasus: 33.94 Sub_Saharan: 0.31 Distance to: Iran_Fars 0.68934752 Iranian_Fars 2.88811357 Iran_Central 4.97001006 Iran_C_East 5.38177480 Lur_Iran 5.58930228 Yazidi 5.64317287 Kurd_Sorani 6.50045383 Kurd_Iran 6.74175051 Iranian 6.98962088 Iran_Khorasan 7.36853445 Kurd_Kurmanji 8.13327732 Iran_Khorasan 8.16488824 Iran_Mazandaran 8.24952120 Talysh_Azerbaijan 8.70171822 Azerbaijani_Iran 9.10903947 Kurd_KAZ 9.27239451 Zaza 9.40825170 Iran_Mazandaran2 9.99158646 Azerbaijani 11.27565519 Azerbaijani_Turkey 11.81747435 Iraqi_Baghdad 12.27140986 Turk_Southeast 12.52094645 Parsi_India 13.19649196 Iran_Arab 14.52511618 Udi_Azerbaijan Distance: 1.0573% / 1.05729791 Target: Iran_Fars | ADC: 0.5x RC 52.6 Iran_C_East 27.4 Lur_Iran 16.1 Iran_Arab 3.9 Iran_Central

All new averages:

Code:

Iran_Khorasan,28.01,1.89,0.34,0.29,6.34,9.65,7.63,0.44,10.14,2.84,32.17,0.26 Iran_C_East,29.71,0.99,0.30,0.21,6.09,8.31,7.60,0.85,12.19,0.34,32.96,0.49 Iran_Central,27.04,0.96,0.37,0.64,6.16,7.35,5.77,0.78,12.87,0.66,36.64,0.68 Iran_Mazandaran2,33.07,0.48,0.25,0.26,2.86,5.68,5.27,0.32,10.96,0.26,40.38,0.19 Kurd_Iran,24.60,0.94,0.69,0.50,8.08,7.84,2.68,0.40,14.56,0.80,38.94,0.04 Iran_Fars,27.21,1.00,1.37,0.70,5.81,6.19,5.89,1.22,14.47,0.87,34.94,0.31
01-02-2021, 03:41 PM
Kyp

Also new Iranian Azerbaijani average (n=46):

Gedrosian: 22.19
Siberian: 2.69
Northwest_African: 0.71
Southeast_Asian: 1.02
Atlantic_Med: 7.94
North_European: 7.86
South_Asian: 3.01
East_African: 0.37
Southwest_Asian: 12.58
East_Asian: 3.05
Caucasus: 38.47
Sub_Saharan: 0.13

Distance to: Azeri_Iran
0.93085982 Azerbaijani_Iran
2.41246762 Azerbaijani
3.35490685 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.18259489 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.23882620 Zaza
5.37452323 Turk_Southeast
5.42535713 Yazidi
5.67154300 Kurd_Sorani
5.70797687 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.89753759 Lur_Iran
7.99859988 Iranian
8.27353612 Kurd_KAZ
8.31297781 Iranian_Fars
8.45108277 Turk_Central_East
8.86237553 Turk_South
8.96822167 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.21789021 Turk_East
9.84710617 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.13449555 Iran_Khorasan
10.33404567 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.43191737 Turk_Central_West
11.03206236 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.19460536 Iran_Mazandaran
12.73278446 Turk_Southwest
12.79417836 Turk_West_BlackSea

Distance: 1.6146% / 1.61463271
Target: Azeri_Iran | ADC: 1x RC
68.3 Azerbaijani
31.7 Kurd_Kurmanji

New Iraqi Turkmen average (should be added too)

Gedrosian: 21.88
Siberian: 1.97
Northwest_African: 1.20
Southeast_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 7.52
North_European: 5.40
South_Asian: 4.10
East_African: 0.79
Southwest_Asian: 16.48
East_Asian: 1.12
Caucasian: 38.44
Sub_Saharan: 0.59

Distance to: Iraq_Turkmen
3.13773804 Kurd_Sorani
4.59452936 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.63643182 Kurd_Iran
5.40809578 Yazidi
5.69858754 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.90730903 Zaza
6.02893855 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.57245008 Lur_Iran
6.76535291 Azerbaijani
7.14825853 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.26574153 Iran_Fars
7.30000000 Iran_Central
7.35780538 Turk_Southeast
7.48533232 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.75793787 Iranian_Fars
8.37360138 Kurd_KAZ
8.65831392 Iranian
9.30130098 Mandean
9.50581927 Iran_Arab
9.90496845 Iranian_Jew
10.34452512 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.51485140 Turk_East
10.73621442 Azeri_Jew
11.01095818 Turk_Central_East

Distance: 1.5356% / 1.53559824
Target: Iraq_Turkmen | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.5 Kurd_Sorani
31.5 Iraqi_Baghdad
24.0 Azerbaijani_Iran
01-04-2021, 11:58 AM
Sterling Archer

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Here are the averages for Azerbaijanis as well as for the other Turkic people taken from Turkish / Azerbaijan-Turkic DNA projects.
As we can see here, the Republic Azeris are very heterogeneous bunch, and quite often closer to the Caucasus people rather than Iranian Azeris. Comparatively speaking the number of tests from the northern part of the Republic is low, so I expect this difference will be even more accentuated as the number of tests increase.

Azerbaijani_Dagestan and Azerbaijani_Qakh are clear standouts when it comes to NE components. It is probably true that almost all of the northern regions of the Republic, such as Quba, Qusar, Khachmaz, Ismayilli, Shaki etc., belong to these groups, which is a huge number. They also do not cluster with Iranian Azerbaijanis.
Another standout is Azerbaijani_North_West which has a very high east Asian component. They cluster closer to Turks from eastern parts of Turkey.

Another moment to point out is that there are close to 100,000 Meskheti Turks in the republic. I expect assimilation of those will also change the composition in the long-run.

Attachment 105057
https://i.imgur.com/HGkYGno.png

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