Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

[Mejgusu]

The Laz are a bit more Mediterranean, I believe. More Anatolian. The Steppe in Georgians isn't particularly high but I think it's still higher than in Armenians.

The interesting thing is it was existing before IE- Expansion and how Lazes escaped from this influence for thousands of years.

[Leto]

The interesting thing is it was existing before IE- Expansion and how Lazes escaped from this influence for thousands of years.

I don't know man, the Laz are known for light pigmentation and I still tie light features to North European influence or Steppe.
This guy, Muhammed Suiçmez, is a Turk born in Karlsruhe, Germany and an extreme metal musician. I read his interview a few years ago and he said he doesn't look like most Turks, therefore faces less "discrimination". I presume he is of Laz extraction. Not too often one would meet Turks looking like this

[Mejgusu]

I don't know man, the Laz are known for light pigmentation and I still tie light features to North European influence or Steppe.
This guy, Muhammed Suiçmez, is a Turk born in Karlsruhe, Germany and an extreme metal musician. I read his interview a few years ago and he said he doesn't look like most Turks, therefore faces less "discrimination". I presume he is of Laz extraction. Not too often one would meet Turks looking like this

I agree, many Turks claim Lazes are mostly Armenoid but i must disagree sometimes. Yes they rather have more a Caucasian look than an Euro- look but many have definitely very light appearance which makes them very special. Here people from Trabzon are one of the biggest groups from Turkey. Some look like regular Turks and some are have special lool where i never would guess any relation to Caucasia. That should be an important lesson: appearance =/= genetics!

[Fedora]

He may be half East Black Sea Turk from Rize, Artvin or eastern Trabzon

Nah, his caucasus would be higher and North Euro and Atlantic med lower.
there are 10 other results from the coastline in that region and his results seems typical for central black sea coastline, there are results from türkeli,inebolu, sinop who score like that 2-4% eurasian. In non-coastal provinces its like 5-10%. Seems the coastline have absorbed more rums in their dna. o yorede 20yüzyila kadar rumlarda varmis sahil kenarlarinda.
also it shows that even in western black sea region North Euro seems to have been low, he scores 9% NE eventhough genetically he's pretty native, we can assume that the Turcomans scored higher NE than Greeks in Anatolia in almost every province except in Istanbul and Thrace.

[Kivan]

I don't know man, the Laz are known for light pigmentation and I still tie light features to North European influence or Steppe.
This guy, Muhammed Suiçmez, is a Turk born in Karlsruhe, Germany and an extreme metal musician. I read his interview a few years ago and he said he doesn't look like most Turks, therefore faces less "discrimination". I presume he is of Laz extraction. Not too often one would meet Turks looking like this

Spoiler!

Individuals with this look can be found non-typically in any region of Turkey (except maybe in Kurdish areas).

People from Turkey generally lightwash Eastern Black Sea people.

[Leto]

I agree, many Turks claim Lazes are mostly Armenoid but i must disagree sometimes. Yes they rather have more a Caucasian look than an Euro- look but many have definitely very light appearance which makes them very special. Here people from Trabzon are one of the biggest groups from Turkey. Some look like regular Turks and some are have special lool where i never would guess any relation to Caucasia. That should be an important lesson: appearance =/= genetics!

Individuals with this look can be found non-typically in any region of Turkey (except maybe in Kurdish areas).

People from Turkey generally lightwash Eastern Black Sea people.

User altaic is another 'white-passer' from Turkey, from Eastern Turkey, I believe. Though he seems to love his miniscule Mongoloid most But I still wonder how that guy would score on a DNA test. There are plenty of darker natives in Northeastern Europe for examples, darker than him.

[Sora]

Not only Laz people are lightest. Circassians, Bosniaks & Albanians are known for their light features also.

Phenotype is not always equal to genotype, the proof is my Pakistani friend's maternal aunt. She looks very Uzbek or Kyrgyz but is a Pakistani from Karachi. My friend claims her own ancestors came from Hyderabad, India to Karachi in 1947

The community traces its origins to the shifting of the Delhi Sultanate's capital from Delhi to Daulatabad in 1327 during the reign of Muhammad bin Tughluq, and come from various native and foreign ethnic backgrounds [4] The migration of Urdu speaking peoples to the Deccan led to the creation of a new variety of Urdu called Deccani, as well as the establishment of the Bahmani Sultanate, which was the first Independent Muslim kingdom in southern India,[5] and the Deccan Sultanates which followed its demise.[6] Deccani Muslims can have Arab, Afghan, Persian, and Turkic ancestries in addition to having the local Indian heritage.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deccani_Muslims

I guess my Pakistani friend have some Turkic ancestry on her maternal side. I've heard many Kipchak & Karluk Turkics settled in Indian sub-continent. She already looks dark Turkish (her facial features can pass as ethnic Turk, Kurd or Azeri but skin color is too dark for passing as typical here)

[Mejgusu]

Someone from Astrakhan:

Gedrosian: 10.38 Pct
Siberian: 19.33 Pct
Northwest_African: -
Southeast_Asian: 1.08 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 8.44 Pct
North_European: 19.83 Pct
South_Asian: 1.74 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 0.89 Pct
East_Asian: 23.27 Pct
Caucasian: 15.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Astrakhan
6.42874016 Nogai_Astrakhan
8.32776080 Karakalpak
9.97060179 Turkmen_Afghanistan
10.48019084 Uzbeks
12.71459791 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
13.02080643 Uzbek
15.04452724 Kazakh
15.27373890 Uyghur
15.63602251 Bashkir
17.28407359 Turkmen_TKM
18.08734641 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
18.71860839 Hazara
19.25444884 Lipka_Tatar
19.56788696 Kyrgyz
24.42454094 Turkmen_Iran
24.42454094 Turkmen_Iran
25.56347981 Nogai
28.92288367 Tajik_Tajikistan
29.21563109 Tatar_Kazan
29.47523198 Altai
30.14475576 Tajik_Balkh
31.14878970 Turk_Northwest
31.97548436 Kalmyk
32.02817666 Tajiks
32.45579455 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain

Distance: 2.7816% / 2.78163025
Target: Astrakhan | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.4 Karakalpak
30.1 Nogai_Astrakhan
19.2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
11.3 Nogai

[Mejgusu]

Turk from Zonguldak:

Gedrosian: 14.55 Pct
Siberian: 6.11 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.07 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 0.55 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 14.26 Pct
North_European: 10.72 Pct
South_Asian: -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 9.68 Pct
East_Asian: 7.99 Pct
Caucasian: 36.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan:-

Distance to: Turk_Zonguldak
3.43476346 Turk_Southwest
4.93180494 Turk_Central_West
4.96382917 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.24609378 Turk_South
5.49634424 Turk_Northwest
5.53632550 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.27542439 Turk_Central_East
9.20029891 Turk_Southeast
10.93872936 Azerbaijani
10.98004554 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.52908217 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.69753126 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.16340002 Turk_East
14.67726473 Turk_Cyprus
15.58670908 Greek_Crete
15.67778683 Karachay
15.96141911 Kurd_Kurmanji
15.99171035 Greek_Kos
16.05650024 Greek_Fournoi
16.37856221 Zaza
16.45106987 Greek_Rhodes
16.54517755 Turkmen_Iran
16.54517755 Turkmen_Iran
16.58842970 Udi_Azerbaijan
16.90304410 Greek_Izmir

Distance: 2.5074% / 2.50741078
Target: Turk_Zonguldak | ADC: 0.5x RC
65.9 Turk_Southwest
31.8 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
2.3 Korean

Turk from Samsun:

Gedrosian: 12.13 Pct
Siberian: 2.89 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.02 Pct
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 13.81 Pct
North_European: 10.91 Pct
South_Asian: 3.72 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 9.32 Pct
East_Asian: 4.39 Pct
Caucasian: 42.82 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turk_Samsun
6.11091646 Turk_Central_East
6.57638198 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.81458729 Turk_Central_West
7.15905720 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.95213179 Turk_South
9.14384492 Turk_Southwest
9.56140157 Turk_East
9.76456860 Turk_Southeast
10.37900284 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.02658152 Turk_Northwest
11.43835215 Azerbaijani
11.53896442 Greek_Cappadocia
11.74846373 Turk_Cyprus
12.60990484 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.77071650 Armenian_East
12.87614849 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.36364845 Greek_Kos
13.43307485 Karachay
13.50979645 Greek_Rhodes
13.52046597 Greek_Crete
14.49442996 Greek_Fournoi
14.62094730 Turk_East_Black_Sea
14.65147774 Armenian_West
14.78202287 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.80913232 Nusayri_Turkey

Distance: 2.3144% / 2.31443180
Target: Turk_Samsun | ADC: 0.5x RC
39.2 Greek_Cappadocia
24.6 Karachay
22.4 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.3 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.5 Pulliyar

Turk from Ankara and Izmir:

Gedrosian: 14.25 Pct
Siberian: 6.78 Pct
Northwest_African: 1.47 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 0.72 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 14.26 Pct
North_European: 13.45 Pct
South_Asian: 1.71 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian: 10.69 Pct
East_Asian: 3.67 Pct
Caucasian: 33.01 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -

Distance to: Turk_Ank/Izm
2.83497795 Turk_Northwest
3.57400336 Turk_Southwest
4.83411833 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.09657281 Turk_Central_West
6.81958943 Turk_South
8.72932987 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.21373431 Turk_Central_East
9.58997393 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.06602205 Turk_Southeast
11.82282115 Azerbaijani
12.48243165 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.54093054 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.27787799 Greek_Crete
14.70170058 Greek_Lemnos
14.82248630 Greek_Fournoi
15.00917719 Turk_Cyprus
15.44828793 Greek_Izmir
15.59875316 Greek_Kos
16.07720747 Turkmen_Iran
16.07720747 Turkmen_Iran
16.08365630 Turk_East
16.14692540 Italian_Apulia
16.28107183 Qumuq
16.31483374 MD_Jewish
16.34024480 Greek_Rhodes

Distance: 1.9612% / 1.96118616
Target: Turk_Ank/Izm | ADC: 0.5x RC
89.4 Turk_Northwest
6.5 Iraqi_Arab
4.1 Tajik_Herat

[Lucas]

I don't know man, the Laz are known for light pigmentation and I still tie light features to North European influence or Steppe.
This guy, Muhammed Suiçmez, is a Turk born in Karlsruhe, Germany and an extreme metal musician. I read his interview a few years ago and he said he doesn't look like most Turks, therefore faces less "discrimination". I presume he is of Laz extraction. Not too often one would meet Turks looking like this

What? Why you didn't take into account possibility he is of Balkan Turk ancestry (Bosniak for example). It is much more possible to be blond in such case than being Laz lol.