And Where and When do you think this founder effect happened? It obviously happened far after the Neolithic. I'd say the modern distribution favors a Balkan origin too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
Strawman or not,
your entire premise is wrong. I don’t get why you think that it could only spread with extremely young civilizations like Greeks or Romans. E-V13 and especially it’s predecessor E-M78 is old as fuck. The most logical theory for its distribution is assimilation of this Haplo from neolithics in Europe by Indo-Europeans spreading it with them, that explains why it’s equally found in R1b and R1a dominant countries. And a founder effect in the Balkans making it more common there.
As for how it came into Europe. The Neolithic farmer theory doesn’t hold much water anymore due to an almost complete lack of E1b in Neolithic farmers. E-M78 or not. Which makes sense because Natufians were the only E people to have contact with AHG and ANF but they left no more than around 10 percent of their DNA which means the contact with Natufians was minimal.
Some people say it could have been Cardial ware culture, but their origin in the Levant in large part from Natufians they almost certainly had to have a good chunk of lineages that are downstream E-Z827 but that wasn’t found among them? So it sounds like bullshit to me.
So far the only logical conclusion to E-V13 ancestor in Europe is directly from North Africa from the Capsian culture in the Mesolithic. There have even been some archeological sites in Balkans where those Mesolithic people had close connections to North African Mesolithic culture.
But who the fuck knows for sure. We need more samples.
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