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What model did you use to obtain this result? I'd be intrigued to know what percentage of German input i'd get out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borealis
The model basically says that the czech is mixture of two thirds of germanic and one third of slavic which is not what
I am getting from any model i've tried so far.
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His model isn't good because German average he is using includes some east German samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by cakmir7y
G25 modern averages are terrible, no idea why anyone is using them. Czech average is heavily German shifted too (probably from Prague)
Updated K13 is million light years ahead when it comes to moderns.
Since the late 1980s over 2 million people have left Russia, Kazakhstan and to a lesser extent Ukraine for Germany. They accept mixed people and their families. So a half German guy with a Tatar wife will get German citizenship for himself and his family upon arrival. I think earlier waves were purer while the most recent ones are super mixed, sometimes even with non-European elements. But the origin of the Volga Germans is mostly Southwestern German. Think Baden-Württemberg or something like that. They were invited to settle in the lower Volga region by Catherine the Great in the 1760s and deported by Stalin to Kazakhstan in 1941. There were also Germans in Siberia (Omsk) and Southern Russia. Some still remain but heavily assimilated. I've seen quite a few Gedmatch results of partial Germans.
For the Mennonites, no shock because they are a very insular community. And in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if most Volgas that moved out of the USSR/Russian empire a century ago are mostly pure. But they are not the only Volga Germans, those who remained in Russia and former USSR countries are still the great majority of Volga Germans. So the ones in the pics people point out may actually be closer to the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
If there are East Germans included in the German sample then all that would mean is that if a group like Alsatians or Dutch or west Germans were used instead, the Slavic component would only increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
And it should. Czechs aren't such low Slavic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borealis
East European admixture in some Volga German means they recently mixed with non Germans. While in east Germans it is not, it is part of their native German DNA, from ethnogenesis in medieval times. That's the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Borealis
Maybe there were some more Eastern Germans in Russia too, who the fuck knows. At this point it's pretty much irrelevant, even more so than internal differences within Germany itself where millions of Eastern Germans had to be resettled in West Germany after WW2. And on top of that after the fall of the Berlin Wall hundreds of thousands of Eastern Germans migrated westwards in search for better opportunities.
I'm fucking stuck with very poor internet connection this month, I have some Gedmatch results, two very different Germans.
I know about East Germans/Prussians. I assumed it was similar for Volgas based off the results I sawQuote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina