What are the "German East" samples on G25 Vahaduo?

[cakmir7y]

Subhuman IQ.

... Czechs themselves have a lot of Germanic blood but they are still Slavic speakers.

Target: German_East
Distance: 1.0963% / 0.01096286
70.4 German
29.6 Belarusian

Target: Czech
Distance: 0.9275% / 0.00927468
62.0 German
38.0 Belarusian

What model did you use to obtain this result? I'd be intrigued to know what percentage of German input i'd get out of it.
The model basically says that the czech is mixture of two thirds of germanic and one third of slavic which is not what
I am getting from any model i've tried so far.

[Jana]

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[Jana]

What model did you use to obtain this result? I'd be intrigued to know what percentage of German input i'd get out of it.
The model basically says that the czech is mixture of two thirds of germanic and one third of slavic which is not what
I am getting from any model i've tried so far.

His model isn't good because German average he is using includes some east German samples.
G25 modern averages are terrible, no idea why anyone is using them. Czech average is heavily German shifted too (probably from Prague)

Updated K13 is million light years ahead when it comes to moderns.

[Leto]

Since the late 1980s over 2 million people have left Russia, Kazakhstan and to a lesser extent Ukraine for Germany. They accept mixed people and their families. So a half German guy with a Tatar wife will get German citizenship for himself and his family upon arrival. I think earlier waves were purer while the most recent ones are super mixed, sometimes even with non-European elements. But the origin of the Volga Germans is mostly Southwestern German. Think Baden-Württemberg or something like that. They were invited to settle in the lower Volga region by Catherine the Great in the 1760s and deported by Stalin to Kazakhstan in 1941. There were also Germans in Siberia (Omsk) and Southern Russia. Some still remain but heavily assimilated. I've seen quite a few Gedmatch results of partial Germans.

[Borealis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung

Problem is everyone knows this and you make great discovery out of that. Yes, Prussians are heavily Slavic too, east Prussians heavily Baltic. Big surprise



No. Volga Germans have nothing to do with eastern Germans, same applies to Danube Swabians and Transylvanian Saxons. Those are west/south German colonists in the east, their ethnogenesis happened in west Germany and it did not include Slavs. They lived in closed off rural communities and did not mix with others, especially not with Slavs of orthodox faith like Russians.

Neither are they very Germanic. They are SOUTH-western Germans, similar to Swabians, Belgians, NE French and heavily Celtic. Only Menonnites are more Germanic because they are from further north, where low German is spoken.

Distance to: Menonnite_Russia

3.31072500 Dutch
3.44651998 German_Northwest
3.65231433 English_Southeast
3.84001302 Dutch_Central
3.92383741 North_German
4.05404736 English_Midlands
4.06294228 English
4.38486032 English_North
4.57801267 Cornish
4.58091694 English_Southwest
4.61123628 Dutch_North
4.65486842 Dutch_South
4.95530019 German_West
5.04638484 Welsh
5.20815706 Orcadian
5.22289192 Flemish
5.26143517 French_Northwest
5.27228603 Scottish_East
5.36900363 Scottish_Northeast
5.50253578 Scottish_North_Highlands
5.56982944 Scottish
5.76000868 Scottish_Gaidhealtachd
5.76035589 Scottish_Southwest
5.81072285 German
5.85683362 Icelandic

Distance to: Menonnite_Russia

3.41801112 English_Southeast
3.46538598 Dutch
3.57466082 Dutch_South
3.87778287 Flemish
3.94067253 German_Northwest
3.98347838 English_Midlands
4.10257236 Dutch_Central
4.10405897 English
4.29306417 German_West
4.63007559 Belgian
4.65716652 English_Southwest
4.72683827 Cornish
4.72958772 English_North
4.76758849 French_Northwest
4.83455272 North_German
4.83597974 Afrikaner
5.22651892 Dutch_North
5.35758341 German
5.57456725 Welsh
5.85293943 Orcadian
5.97292223 Scottish_East
6.06311801 Scottish_Northeast
6.26082263 Scottish_North_Highlands
6.37796206 Scottish
6.48822780 Scottish_Southwest

Distance to: Menonnite_Russia

1.99496867 North_German
3.15053964 German_Northwest
4.38270464 Dutch
4.67571385 Dutch_Central
4.98213810 Dutch_North
5.17239790 German
5.43030386 German_West
5.52345906 English_Southeast
5.91426242 English_Midlands
5.94951259 English
6.02376128 Denmark
6.10449015 Dutch_South
6.11571746 English_North
6.19279420 Icelandic
6.45441709 Norwegian
6.47201669 Sweden_Götaland
6.47607906 Flemish
6.53181445 Norway_South_Central
6.59884838 English_Southwest
6.62998492 Swedish
6.65099992 Cornish
6.72165902 Afrikaner
6.79650646 Orcadian
6.94314050 Welsh
6.95171921 Scottish_East

Target: Menonnite_Russia
Distance: 1.9025% / 1.90248230 | R2P

58.0 German_West
42.0 Norwegian

Target: Menonnite_Russia
Distance: 1.9138% / 1.91382998 | R2P

67.5 Flemish
32.5 Denmark

Target: Menonnite_Russia
Distance: 1.2272% / 1.22719454 | R2P

86.1 Norway_South_Central
13.9 Greek_Istanbul

For the Mennonites, no shock because they are a very insular community. And in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if most Volgas that moved out of the USSR/Russian empire a century ago are mostly pure. But they are not the only Volga Germans, those who remained in Russia and former USSR countries are still the great majority of Volga Germans. So the ones in the pics people point out may actually be closer to the norm.

[Borealis]

His model isn't good because German average he is using includes some east German samples.
G25 modern averages are terrible, no idea why anyone is using them. Czech average is heavily German shifted too (probably from Prague)

Updated K13 is million light years ahead when it comes to moderns.

If there are East Germans included in the German sample then all that would mean is that if a group like Alsatians or Dutch or west Germans were used instead, the Slavic component would only increase.

[Jana]

If there are East Germans included in the German sample then all that would mean is that if a group like Alsatians or Dutch or west Germans were used instead, the Slavic component would only increase.

And it should. Czechs aren't such low Slavic.

[Jana]

For the Mennonites, no shock because they are a very insular community. And in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if most Volgas that moved out of the USSR/Russian empire a century ago are mostly pure. But they are not the only Volga Germans, those who remained in Russia and former USSR countries are still the great majority of Volga Germans. So the ones in the pics people point out may actually be closer to the norm.

East European admixture in some Volga German means they recently mixed with non Germans. While in east Germans it is not, it is part of their native German DNA, from ethnogenesis in medieval times. That's the difference.

[Leto]

Maybe there were some more Eastern Germans in Russia too, who the fuck knows. At this point it's pretty much irrelevant, even more so than internal differences within Germany itself where millions of Eastern Germans had to be resettled in West Germany after WW2. And on top of that after the fall of the Berlin Wall hundreds of thousands of Eastern Germans migrated westwards in search for better opportunities.
I'm fucking stuck with very poor internet connection this month, I have some Gedmatch results, two very different Germans.

[Borealis]

East European admixture in some Volga German means they recently mixed with non Germans. While in east Germans it is not, it is part of their native German DNA, from ethnogenesis in medieval times. That's the difference.

I know about East Germans/Prussians. I assumed it was similar for Volgas based off the results I saw