Papua New Guinea holds that title at around 10,000 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
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Papua New Guinea holds that title at around 10,000 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Is this the farming which no one but you recognizes as actual farming?Quote:
Originally Posted by KidMulat
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...riculture.html
Hmm, looks like they found residue of banana and tubers on tools. I am not sure that counts as solid evidence of farming. If it does, that means neanderthals were farmers.
But it's still interesting I guess. At least it's not the thing with acorns again.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...riculture.html
Its been established for some time.
Like I said, if that's enough evidence, neanderthals invented farming 50k years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by KidMulat
Lol okay the equivalent to aboriculture and vegiculture found in Paleolithic Korea and Japan; the oldest example I know of people actually bring plants with them to grow would be 60k Australians who brought the BaobabQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
http://www.uq.edu.au/nuq/jack/Boab%20Origins.html
It's funny everyone always just parrots that E1b and J are neolithic farmer DNA. They just pull that out of thin air. Well, this is every y-dna study done for neolithic (and some for other areas).Quote:
Paleolithic Siberian from Mal'ta [1 R*]
Mesolithic Europeans from Luxembourg and Sweden [2 I2a1b, 1 I2, 2 I]
Neolithic Spain [5 G2a, 1 E-V13]
Neolithic Ötzi from the Alps [G2a4]
Prehistoric South Siberians from Krasnoyarsk and here [10 R1a1, 1 C(xC3)]
Neolithic southwestern France from Treilles [20 G2a, 2 I2a]
Neolithic Megalithic France from la Pierre Fritte [2 I2a1]
Neolithic Bell Beaker from Kromsdorf Germany [2 R1b]
Prehistoric Paleo-Eskimo from Greenland [1 Q1a]
Neolithic Corded Ware Germans [3 related R1a]
Bronze Age Lichtenstein Cave in Germany [estimated presence I1b2*, R1a1, R1b1c]
Ancient Mongolian Xiongnu [1 R1a1]
New Kingdom Egyptian pharaoh Ramesses III [1 E1b1a]
Aboriginals from Canary Islands [E-M78, E-M81, J-M267, E-M33, I-M170, K-M9, P-M45, R-M269]
Late Antique Basques [4 I, 2 R1b3d, 19 R1(xR1a1), 2 R-M173]
Since there's both I and J in aboriginal canary islanders we can rule out the idea it came from neolithic farmers, especially since they are brother clades.
So where are they, exactly? We have ZERO J neolithic farmers. We have just one E-v13, which is among a bunch of G - since this is no doubt a seafaring med. culture this could easily be a slave.
We have quite a bit of I among neolithic farmers, though. So what does that say about any of this...? They could easily be the ones who invented farming in balkans before the G men started to arrive from the east. Especially since I seems to radiate out of the area where first known bronze tools have been recently found.
It's funny that there's so many giant assumptions based on where things are today and some intense wishful thinking brought on by nationalistic fantasies.
How can be proto-Germanic since it predates the existence of this liguistic group by many millenias?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
They are saying it's what germans were before they learned german, but I don't think that is a very good conclusion. It mainly shows they don't really know history that well, a recurring theme for the people doing the genetic part of archaeology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Canarians are post Wet Period Saharan; they were farmers who sailed out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Gofio is an old meal prepared with cultivated barley and they had domesticated goats.
Proto because exactly it's before the emergence of Germanic. But the current bearers in the Balkan bear closer resemblance to Scandinavians than to, say, Poles and Russians. There is a close relation between I in the Balkan and Scandinavia. It predates Germanic but is from the same source stock. Upper Paleolithic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
You said 10k years ago, the article says 7k years before there's anything but some remnants of tubers on tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by KidMulat
I am not trying to belittle their accomplishments but real farming that far back would be a big deal. Maybe they did have some by then, but I don't think that's enough to go by and from other sites and reactions to them they expect more than that.
The Loschbour man from Luxembourg had y-dna I (I2) and had darker skin according to his genotype for SLC24A5 and SLC45A5, unlike modern Europeans.
7k? No the article I put up says 10k and it is "real farming" as it extended across Oceania and into South India leaving behind the Banana, Taro and Sugarcane two of the three being quite a big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
In such case, Lithuanians are autosomally-wise more Germanic than Germanics themselves ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
I think a generalisation may be necessary in some cases(if you learn basics) but goddamit, when the same people repeat the same for years, it becomes annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
:lol00002:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
http://api.ning.com/files/BykvwnNi9L..._HA_OH_WOW.jpg
It's funny that your post has nothing to do with the OP and appears to be a shot at me because you're butthurt that I made you look like a fool in this thread again by 1) pointing out your failure to know basic history when you claimed one civilization is older than another and 2) pointing out you "correcting me" over something I never said makes you look dumb at best and dishonest at worst.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Look, it's quite simple. I always win when we go head to head. The reason is simple: I'm not an idiot. You are a idiot. So simply take your loss and move on.
Was this another example of Melonhead's inability to read English, lolz. I haven't read the article but I'll assume it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by KidMulat
[QUOTE=Melonhead;2280461]Nnnno.Quote:
It's not likely to be african in origin, its brother clade is in india and it didn't make it to SSA until historic times FFS....
Nnnno.Quote:
It's part of an ancient society that's completely unrelated to the pyramid builders and doesn't center in Egypt and is also caucasoid....
Nnnno.Quote:
No, that is wrong on many counts. J was already in europe, and most of the neolithic farmers spreading into europe were G. E1B's role is not that clear but it's now clear that even if it were neolithic farmers, the ones coming into europe over land from the east are not related to the ones in the balkans which came much earlier....
Knew you'd like it :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
So it's technically a 'non-white' indigenous European marker. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by chwarae
White =/= European. Once, our ancestors were some shades darker than we today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
Seems Pale0lithic Eur0s were light eyed w0gs.Quote:
Originally Posted by chwarae
Where da farmer women at?:devQuote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
Yep, was the point i was making too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
[QUOTE=Longbowman;2280669]What a dumb post....Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Pretty much everything anyone has said in here but me is of the same nature. Some lame theorizing that's has no data to back it up that's been repeated so often everyone believes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
It rather compliments some of yours, then :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
NO U.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
Also, learn to quote man, no one else has any trouble....
The irony I only made that error because I quoted your post where you made the same error.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
That's not true my post showed up fine, you do that all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longbowman
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post2281459Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
I just quoted yours which is messed up and didn't bother to fix it, go ahead and look back further.
Incorrect, buddy :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
There is no such thing as white or black haplogroup, there are haplogroups more accociated with white or black people. U can say A and B are black, C and D are yellow, E1a is black, J1,J2,I,R,E1b are white etc.There are 2 meter long Nordic guys which are B and a lot of the black guys in LA and NYC are I1 and R1b!
lolz... it didn't. You can't do anything right. You're a disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
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Originally Posted by Melonhead
I'll solve the mystery for the sub 140 IQ crowd. When you responded to the post above you added an extra end quote tag, meaning when I quote YOUR post it fucks up. Since you do that 8 times a day maybe you should look into your own posting before making stupid complaints on mine.
How many times now have you corrected me on something and been wrong? I waited for faggotty frank to join in too so I could dish out the humiliation he craves so desperately.
blah. See when I do it from myself everything is fine because all my posts were correct. Go back and quote your own post and same thing happens again. Fucking internets, how do they work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Mate, I linked you to the original post where you screwed up. Also there's no additional 'end quote' tag on any of my posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melonhead
Why so defensive? and homophobic?
Don't tell Rethel that!!! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Smeagol
Becasue he didn't understand the question, or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen