North sea 30.97
Atlantic 21.26
Baltic 10.4
Eastern euro 6.42
West med 11.95
West asian 6.89
East med 8.16
Red Sea 1.58
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North sea 30.97
Atlantic 21.26
Baltic 10.4
Eastern euro 6.42
West med 11.95
West asian 6.89
East med 8.16
Red Sea 1.58
damn, I'm jealousQuote:
Originally Posted by Noff
33.98 for my father.
You are a westerner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
Mokordo? Who is Mokordo?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
Esta si que no lo cojo, no sé quién es Alfredo el grande.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
Sí, pero no veo la relación conmigo...Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
Quiero decir, con ese tal Mokordo :rolleyes:
What does the Atlantic component represent? seems high in both Iberians and British/Irish islanders, my guess would have been neolithic farmer, but as far as I am aware there isn't much Neolithic farmer in the islanders.
The maximum point is located in French Basque, I suppose it is a mixture of Western Hunter Gatherer and Neolithic farmer in western Europeans. In the same way that East Med is a mix of Neolithic farmer and Levantine / Middle Eastern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albannach
Must be difference between K13 North Atlantic and K15 Atlantic.
In K13 I get North Atlantic ... 38.89 which is closer to Central European but in K15 I get Atlantic 27.02 .
Not sure what to make of this.
Oszkar
Population
North_Sea 23.98 Pct
Atlantic 27.02 Pct
Baltic 16.79 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.34 Pct
West_Med 7.61 Pct
West_Asian 4.79 Pct
East_Med 3.54 Pct
Red_Sea 1.89 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.04 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan
17.80 Atlantic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGqn...re=emb_rel_end
Full result:
North_Sea 15.50
Atlantic 17.80
Baltic 21.94
Eastern_Euro 9.92
West_Med 10.74
West_Asian 10.38
East_Med 11.13
Red_Sea 0.42
South_Asian 0.00
Southeast_Asian 1.33
Siberian 0.71
Amerindian 0.00
Oceanian 0.00
Northeast_African 0.00
Sub-Saharan 0.13
Atlantic 34.74 Pct
North_Sea 4.31 Pct
Atlantic 16.04 Pct
Baltic 8.75 Pct
Eastern_Euro 9.12 Pct
West_Med 4.50 Pct
West_Asian 33.05 Pct
East_Med 17.34 Pct
Red_Sea 0.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.08 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 3.44 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.74 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Don´t know why exactly, I score North_Atlantic 41.06 Pct in k13.Quote:
Originally Posted by oszkar07
In my k15 my 4 greatest components are:
Atlantic 32.08 Pct
West_Med 23.79 Pct
North_Sea 18.99 Pct
Baltic 8.49 Pct
Total..........83,35
That in k13 correspond basically to this 3 components:
North_Atlantic 41.06 Pct
West_Med 30.06 Pct
Baltic 11.68 Pct
Total.........82,8
Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing... What is the difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
for K15 mine are:
Atlantic 29.70 Pct
North_Sea 20.90 Pct
West_Med 20.85 Pct
Baltic 6.02 Pct
Total= 77.47
For K13:
North_Atlantic 39.92 Pct
West_Med 24.77 Pct
Baltic 11.77 Pct
Total= 76.46
(with 15 pct east med)
k15:
Atlantic 29.26 Pct
North_Sea 24.96 Pct
West_Med 16.68 Pct
Baltic 7.76 Pct
Total: 78,66
k13:
North_Atlantic 40.79 Pct
West_Med 23.00 Pct
Baltic 12.54 Pct
Total: 76,33
I don´t know how it works exactly, but it seems that 15 populations are rearranged/reassigned in 13 components, but I don´t know in which exact way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso
Anyway, saying that Iberians are not westerners seeing this it´s kind of ridiculous. We could , it´s true, make subdivisions as North-Western, Center-Western and Sout-Western , we are Western Europe,even if some don't like to admit it.
Even some Atlantic related component could be even go to West Africa component?
K15
Atlantic 31.42 Pct
West_Med 22.08 Pct
North_Sea 16.49 Pct
Baltic 5.49 Pct
75.48%
K13
North_Atlantic 37.16 Pct
West_Med 28.16 Pct
Baltic 9.88 Pct
75.20%
Yeah... we are obviously westerners and genetics show it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Also...
It is possible... not too sure. I do know that the Atlantic admixture appears to be a hybrid of Mesolithic hunter-gatherers and Neolithic farmers. All Mesolithic and Neolithic samples from Western Europe had about 25% of it.
Prehistoric samples Atlantic admixture:
Mesolithic La Braña (Asturias, Spain) 27.3%
Mesolithic Loscbour (Luxembourg) 29.5%
Neolithic farmer from Stuttgart (LBK culture) 23.2%
Ötzi the Iceman (Chalcolithic farmer from the Alps) 25.5%
Gökhem2 (Swedish Neolithic farmer) 27.7%
Motala12 (Mesolithic HG from Sweden) 10.1%
You can see the so-called Atlantic fusion peaks in the Basque and neighboring communities, accompanied by the Irish, Welsh and Scottish. But apart from that, it's really not centered on the Atlantic. The Galicians have less of this than the Danes and North Germans. High frequency in Sardinia, but much lower frequency in southern Italy and the Balkans, indicates a Mesolithic Western European ancestry.
Map:
https://www.eupedia.com/images/conte...-admixture.png
The correlation is not perfect but trend, is quite obvious. There are always exceptions, but I think the trend indicates what I pointed. Maybe as I said, some Western African or North Western African components that Galicians seems to score specially high In iberian peninsula, could be considered as "Atalantic" components, even not being "Europeans".Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso
Anyway, the trend works the same with haplogroups, as yo know.I would be one of those exceptions in this case. :rolleyes:
Yeah... but haplogroups don't necessarily correlate with autosomal DNA anyways. You are Iberian without a doubt, no matter what your paternal y is. :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
K13
North Atlantic 40.02
West Med 30.16
Baltic 7.8
Total: 77.98
K15
Atlantic 31.42
West Med 25.52
North Sea 19.50
Baltic 2.38
Total: 78.82
K13
North_Atlantic 32.48 Pct
Baltic 8.41 Pct
West_Med 24.30 Pct
West_Asian 5.26 Pct
East_Med 16.52 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
Amerindian 7.96 Pct
Northeast_African 0.87 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.70 Pct
K15
North_Sea 16.31 Pct
Atlantic 25.13 Pct
Baltic 5.42 Pct
Eastern_Euro 1.35 Pct
West_Med 20.58 Pct
West_Asian 5.07 Pct
East_Med 13.34 Pct
Red_Sea 3.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.57 Pct
Amerindian 7.57 Pct
Northeast_African 0.87 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.66 Pct
Atlantic: 19.31
But in this case, the two coincide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso
I'm not saying that this has to be the case without a doubt.
I'm just saying it seems plausible that it could be like this.:)
Atlantic 18.93%
I don't have an Iberian haplogroup either, hug me my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
:hug2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
At least your haplogroup is much more common than mine in Iberian peninsula.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Atlantic 27.19
My clade (E1b1a) is not so common in the Iberian peninsula although I have not seen much data about it, most are M215 (E1b1b).Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Rosa_2007.jpg
There is a sample from 7000 yr ago Neolithic farmer from northern Spain who had E1b1b meaning it had to have been in Europe for a pretty long time. So there is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Some reference maps:
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/con...group_EGJT.gif
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/con...roup-E1b1b.jpg
Do not put up the eupedia maps directly because the images are not visible. But my clade is E3b (E1b1a) not that one, it is more dominant of Sub-Saharan Africa than of North Africa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso
Still Iberian :) even Hitler had a sub-sahara paternal haplo hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Hitler is Iberian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso
I think he was E-V13, but he is certainly more European than mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luso
Nah, but he is the staple euro Nazi and it is ironic he has the haplo e1b1b. That is why I mentioned him ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaniard 2.0
The majority of haplos in Europe derived from Africa at one point anyway. Well, that is if you believe in Out of Africa hypothesis. It doesn't autosomally make you less euro in your case, and many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Mientras no te hagas un análisis específico, tu subclado podría no ser ese, mira lo que me han dicho a mí, parece seguro el M-417, pero igual no tanto el Z2125.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.77
2 North_Sea 18.99
3 West_Med 15.19
4 West_Asian 12.05
5 Atlantic 11.29
6 East_Med 9.72
7 Eastern_Euro 8.90
8 Amerindian 1.24
Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Moldavian @ 9.090784
2 Romanian @ 9.318893
3 Serbian @ 10.912146
4 Bulgarian @ 11.242171
5 Croatian @ 12.265273
6 Hungarian @ 12.509034
7 Austrian @ 15.890920
8 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 16.618036
9 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.328682
10 East_German @ 17.737106