R1a - either from the Bashkirs or from the Iranians! Let's remind the Arpad came to Hungary from the east!
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R1a - either from the Bashkirs or from the Iranians! Let's remind the Arpad came to Hungary from the east!
Explains Bosniensis genetics lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Most likely. It would definitely shake things up if he was Z280 or M458.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardS
More exactly Gesta considered Árpád as the great grandson of Attila, but Gesta did not care about the elimination of 300 years from the Human history. It is similar to the phantom time hypothesis is a historical conspiracy theory asserted by Heribert Illig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Western Europeans are not descendants of proto IE people. Most of Hungary is not part of former Pannonian province of the Roman Empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Basin
The name "Pannonian" comes from Pannonia, a province of the Roman Empire. Only the western part of the territory (the so-called Transdanubia) of modern Hungary formed part of the ancient Roman Province of Pannonia; this comprises less than 29% of modern Hungary, therefore Hungarian geographers avoid the terms "Pannonian Basin" and "Pannonian Plain".
Arpad kings probably intermarried with other European royalty by then already. Maybe someone knows something about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Indeed, the Árpád House was well mingled in and mixed with pan-European royalty, descending from all over Europe. Just another proof why Hungary is one of the essential states of Europe as we understand it today (post-Charles Martel). Based on a quick research, particularly Béla III from his mother's side he had Kievan Rus, Anglo Saxon, Byzantine and Varangian ancestry, while from his father's side he had Hungarian, Bulgarian, Serbian, Byzantine, Armenian, Kievan Rus, Varengian, Bohemian, Polish, Lotharingian, Lusatian, Polabian ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
So it's naive to try and figure out anything about Hungarian conqueror genetics, from this genetic study of Arpad dynasty king.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
Of course that by late 13th century the Árpád Dynasty was already very involved in European affairs, also providing rulers to other states. The pure "Hungarianness" of the Árpád House ended with Béla I reign (who had a foreign wife) in mid 12th century, whose lineage gave the future kings of mixed ancestry of Hungary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
R1 Turkic pride!
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/8c/06/7...7f80ff736f.jpg
Shut up horsefucker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky
I kroati su svi R1 mađari kad uze u obzir da je dalmacija od neki dan u sastavu hrvatske.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate
:lmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
When will you realize man in your avatar is R1a ? The bitter irony...
There is no reason for him to be so forlorn. We are simply re-affirming our known truth about our ancestors. Even if Stears is not R1, he still has Turkic ancestry that appears in his various DNA results and in our founding Magyar culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Učitelju svijeta dr. jovanu deretiću je sve oprošteno pa i haplogrupa, odjebi :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Speak to your goat keeping mate like that, darling. And stop spamming this thread ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
You replied to me, I haven't asked you for opinion about anything. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Don't mention Croats or Croatia again idiot. We have nothing to do with you. If you have no comment related to the topic, simply go elswhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
If Arpad is truly Z93 branch of R1a, it should really mean he had Turkic roots. But if the was Z280 branch, it would mean something very different, as that is completely European subclade and most common among ordinary Hungarians today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
Ostavi me se ženska glavo.... maltretiraš me...nisam ti ništa rekao.. begajQuote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Primitive shepherd boy! Stop your third worlder gypsy speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
No, I have not mongoloid, which is crucial to have Turkic ancestry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
What do you want Stears...
Both can be arguably Turkic; it is the degree of Turkicness that is the debate. Not to mention, many Turkic peoples today have various different haplogroups including and outside of R1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
Regardless R1 is Eurasian in origin, and highlights the Asian origins ol that show prominently in our culture and history.
Not necessarily at all. Many Turkic peoples can have very little "Mongoloid" DNA. Besides, you do have East Asian results and a notable Turkic calculator score. Don't fall for the idea that you must be purely "East Asian" to be Turkic; the early Magyars certainly were not this stereotype (they were blend of Ugric and Turkic peoples).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stears
Don't be sad about this R1 result. It shows that we live in times of scentific study and great progress in sorting truth from fiction. As I have always said, as long as Magyars are free in our own country, we will always align with our family in the east.
This doesn't make you any less European or out of place in Europe. Our unique Turkic flavour is not Oghuz, Uyghur, or Pecheneg. We are Magyars, and we embrace our past with pride.
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
https://static.techspot.com/images2/...18-image-3.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
Wifes are not important as far as succession is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky
R1a son has legal claims to throne even if his father married Han woman.
Only in brain-dead countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
And what it has to do with the topic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
Don't bark on R1ethel. He is in Eupedia described as proto-Slav (M458).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
some say he is the first R1 ever appeared on Earth and that he survived to this day to defend his progeny (r1theloids)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Dr. Jovan Deretić. Serbian pseudo historian who propagate autochtonous Balkan origin of all Slavic groups, came out as R1a Z280 in DNA testing. So not a native at all :picard1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky
But this is completely unrelated to topic...
The movie should be created: "The last knight of the R1 race".Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
Z93 = Aryans and Ugrics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
But Z280 is common only in Europe, among Baltic, Slavic and Finno Ugric groups. They definitelly aren't turkic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
So you think Z280 wasn't original Ugric marker ?Quote:
Originally Posted by blogen
I don't know why people dislike being Turks. I do attack modern Turks from Turkey because they are not real Turks but fake Turks.
Being Turk is awesome, great ancestry from Genghis Khan who butchered seas of people, scorched earth etc.. (I mean that's awesome reputation of Turkic Warlord)
But we have a problem of understanding Who is Turk and Who isn't.
There are many wannabe Turks.
Z280 can't be Turkic in any case. Same as M458.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turul Karom
This is Dzemal Bijedic in my Avatar... do not lie!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
What Jovan Deretić? I've never heard for anyone named "Jovan Deretić".
Scram.