Bulgarian Autosomal (very differing) Results

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Originally Posted by Sofia

I wish I had such results, very cool. I think you have admixture with purely Siberian people - Yakuts, Nganasan, Eskimo etc

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yeah i get that on DNA land..on other similar ones - north-east asian :)

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Originally Posted by Sofia

I wish I had such results, very cool. I think you have admixture with purely Siberian people - Yakuts, Nganasan, Eskimo etc

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My east asian is kinda weird more northeastern asian(chinese/mongolian) than siberian.
Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.65
2 West_Med 18.57
3 East_Med 17.17
4 North_Atlantic 16.56
5 West_Asian 12.5
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 East_Asian 1.4
8 Oceanian 0.91
9 Siberian 0.38

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Originally Posted by TheBalkanite

My east asian is kinda weird more northeastern asian(chinese/mongolian) than siberian.
Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.65
2 West_Med 18.57
3 East_Med 17.17
4 North_Atlantic 16.56
5 West_Asian 12.5
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 East_Asian 1.4
8 Oceanian 0.91
9 Siberian 0.38

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In such small amounts (single digit, especially below 5%) those components might as well be misread or more randomly assigned.

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Originally Posted by TheBalkanite

My east asian is kinda weird more northeastern asian(chinese/mongolian) than siberian.
Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.65
2 West_Med 18.57
3 East_Med 17.17
4 North_Atlantic 16.56
5 West_Asian 12.5
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 East_Asian 1.4
8 Oceanian 0.91
9 Siberian 0.38

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exactly...mine too

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Originally Posted by TheBalkanite

My east asian is kinda weird more northeastern asian(chinese/mongolian) than siberian.
Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.65
2 West_Med 18.57
3 East_Med 17.17
4 North_Atlantic 16.56
5 West_Asian 12.5
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 East_Asian 1.4
8 Oceanian 0.91
9 Siberian 0.38

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Just checked your gedmatch results and I noticed the same. Basically, if you have Siberian/East Asian + South Asian - high chance for a Turkic admixture. Your is mainly East Asian and even Oceanian is higher than Siberian, interesting...

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Originally Posted by TheBalkanite

My east asian is kinda weird more northeastern asian(chinese/mongolian) than siberian.
Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.65
2 West_Med 18.57
3 East_Med 17.17
4 North_Atlantic 16.56
5 West_Asian 12.5
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 East_Asian 1.4
8 Oceanian 0.91
9 Siberian 0.38

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It's nothing unsual for K13 to overestimate somebody's East Eurasian score. Do you get similar values on K15 and dodecad?

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

It's nothing unsual for K13 to overestimate somebody's East Eurasian score. Do you get similar values on K15 and dodecad?

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Eurogenes V2 K15
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.55
2 West_Med 14.44
3 Eastern_Euro 14.24
4 East_Med 14.13
5 West_Asian 11.79
6 North_Sea 11.23
7 Atlantic 10.42
8 Red_Sea 2.95
9 Oceanian 0.68
10 Southeast_Asian 0.59
Here it is lower but again southeast asian something chinese like instead of siberian

Dodecad K12b
# Population Percent
1 North_European 34.44
2 Atlantic_Med 25.87
3 Caucasus 25.4
4 Southwest_Asian 7.81
5 Gedrosia 4.33
6 Southeast_Asian 1
7 Northwest_African 0.7
8 East_Asian 0.33
9 Siberian 0.12
Again southeast asian and east asian more so than siberia.

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Originally Posted by Sofia

Just checked your gedmatch results and I noticed the same. Basically, if you have Siberian/East Asian + South Asian - high chance for a Turkic admixture. Your is mainly East Asian and even Oceanian is higher than Siberian, interesting...

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Yes a lot of Balkan Turks score Asian and South Asian but i have no South Asian so probably its just something random not recent Turkic ancestry but who knows.

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Originally Posted by Sofia

Isn't the Siberian a lot higher than any (East) Balkan ethnicity average on every GEDmatch calculator's spreadsheet, what do you mean?



Haha yeah, thanks for replying and high-five on the same haplogroup! Yeah, I noticed that 23andMe and Ancestry are better when it comes to autosomal analysis. Will probably do ancestry in the future as the matching is much better due to bigger database. The H2a2a1 spread is a bit weird, isn't it? Most people are from Denmark, Indonesia and The Philippines? Not sure how to read yfull fully, maybe not many people have submitted their data there?

As far as Vlach ancestry - My maternal grandfather is from Vratsa region, don't know much about him. It seems that many people came to Mandritsa from Korçë, Albania which has a big Aromanian community but this was long ago(4 generations), since then he had a bulgarian wife from Panagyurishte where he settled and my father was the first to come in Sofia.

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Bulgarian Siberian average is around 1.5% as far as i observed. A Thracian Bulgarian from Komotini scores 3.8%. She doesn't have any known Turkic ancestry.


mt-DNA is not like y-DNA. I mean mt-DNA doesn't have specific subclade and their spreading is weird. I mean a mt-DNA can be seen both in Nigeria, China and Germany. Also as you stated there is no enough data in yfull. It is better to evaluate it among only Bulgarians.

It is possible you have either Albanian/Greek or Vlach ancestry as different from Bulgarian. But both Albanians' and Greeks' North Atlantic not that high and not enough to make you score 26. You may want to check this.

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Originally Posted by TheBalkanite

My east asian is kinda weird more northeastern asian(chinese/mongolian) than siberian.
Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.65
2 West_Med 18.57
3 East_Med 17.17
4 North_Atlantic 16.56
5 West_Asian 12.5
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 East_Asian 1.4
8 Oceanian 0.91
9 Siberian 0.38

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This two result is very different and a decent example for the question of how Bulgarian genetic diverse.


1 Baltic 29.65
4 North_Atlantic 16.56

1 North_Atlantic 26.9
2 Baltic 22.33

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Originally Posted by TheBalkanite

Eurogenes V2 K15
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 19.55
2 West_Med 14.44
3 Eastern_Euro 14.24
4 East_Med 14.13
5 West_Asian 11.79
6 North_Sea 11.23
7 Atlantic 10.42
8 Red_Sea 2.95
9 Oceanian 0.68
10 Southeast_Asian 0.59
Here it is lower but again southeast asian something chinese like instead of siberian

Dodecad K12b
# Population Percent
1 North_European 34.44
2 Atlantic_Med 25.87
3 Caucasus 25.4
4 Southwest_Asian 7.81
5 Gedrosia 4.33
6 Southeast_Asian 1
7 Northwest_African 0.7
8 East_Asian 0.33
9 Siberian 0.12
Again southeast asian and east asian more so than siberia.

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But those are all extremely low, noise-level values. Even members of nations who didn't have any contact with Eurasian people can have Siberian, Southeast Asian, etc. pop up in their results. I doubt it's actual Asian ancestry in your case, unlike OP and Seya.

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Originally Posted by Sofia

Yes, after seeing some Balkan results, I do feel like my results are very normal and the oracles confirm that. I am a bit mad that the commercial servies didn't pick up on the Siberian that gedmatch gives me.

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1 North_Sea 18.14
2 East_Med 17.45
3 Atlantic 17.24
4 Baltic 15.77
5 West_Med 11.63
6 West_Asian 9.69
7 Eastern_Euro 6.78
8 Siberian 1.58
9 Red_Sea 1.34
10 Amerindian 0.25
11 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 5.17
2 Bulgarian 6.15
3 Serbian 7.16
4 Greek_Thessaly 10.49
5 Greek 11.85
6 Austrian 12.56
7 Hungarian 12.6
8 Moldavian 12.62
9 Tuscan 13.04
10 Croatian 13.75
11 North_Italian 13.75
12 Italian_Abruzzo 14.63
13 Central_Greek 16.05
14 Ashkenazi 16.36
15 West_Sicilian 16.38
16 East_German 16.53
17 East_Sicilian 16.87
18 French 17.1
19 Spanish_Galicia 17.97
20 Portuguese 18.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.8% Hungarian + 39.2% South_Italian @ 3.37
2 65% Italian_Abruzzo + 35% Estonian @ 3.77
3 68.7% Greek + 31.3% Swedish @ 3.79
4 56.5% Hungarian + 43.5% Central_Greek @ 3.82
5 54.8% South_Italian + 45.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.91
6 54.1% Hungarian + 45.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.92
7 58.3% South_Italian + 41.7% Estonian @ 3.95
8 68.7% Greek + 31.3% North_Swedish @ 4.03
9 55.1% Greek_Thessaly + 44.9% Austrian @ 4.04
10 55.8% South_Italian + 44.2% Finnish @ 4.07
11 59.4% Central_Greek + 40.6% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.13
12 57.9% Hungarian + 42.1% East_Sicilian @ 4.14
13 79.6% Bulgarian + 20.4% West_German @ 4.19
14 51.8% Greek + 48.2% Hungarian @ 4.23
15 66.5% Hungarian + 33.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.28
16 86.1% Bulgarian + 13.9% West_Norwegian @ 4.31
17 71.5% Hungarian + 28.5% Cyprian @ 4.32
18 65.7% Hungarian + 34.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.33
19 57.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 42.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.35
20 85.9% Bulgarian + 14.1% Orcadian @ 4.36

Seems like the K15 scaled the Siberian a bit down.



I know right, very strange :confused:

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Your Siberian score is not high for eastern Balkans.

Serbian user Dušan got 1.73% Siberian on K13 Eurogenes and 1.53% on K12b dodecad, and he is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lika

Dušan's K12b dodecad
https://i.imgur.com/QurAEqu.png

Sofia, can you please post your full Eurogenes K36 result?

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Originally Posted by Mr.G

Sofia, can you please post your full Eurogenes K36 result?

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Yeah, sure. I don't really like K36. Italian highest by far, idk about that...

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Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.87 Pct
Armenian 3.09 Pct
Basque 1.05 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.02 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 10.27 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 11.74 Pct
East_Med 11.45 Pct
Eastern_Euro 2.04 Pct
Fennoscandian 9.18 Pct
French 0.32 Pct
Iberian 6.17 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 16.58 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 1.13 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 5.44 Pct
North_Caucasian 8.19 Pct
North_Sea 3.76 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.56 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 1.16 Pct

I was curious to see the total result, but particularly wanted to see if you score any SCA. This component is related to Turkic peoples. I see you don't get Siberian here, but it seems to me Siberian is a little more elusive on this calc compared to K13. I think your Fennoscandian is high, which may be a mixed German/Slavic component? I have not seen a clear definition of what that is supposed to represent. I believe your Italian component is in the normal range for your ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Neowarior

Tr00. And it ain't a gift by god. Clear Tatar influx.

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In Romania, is it really from Tatars or rather Cumans etc.?

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Originally Posted by Peterski

In Romania, is it really from Tatars or rather Cumans etc.?

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Both

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Originally Posted by Peterski

In Romania, is it really from Tatars or rather Cumans etc.?

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I don't think Cumans and other mediveal Turkic peoples have that much impact. It seems rather a recent thing with Romanians. So my best guess is Tatars.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

But those are all extremely low, noise-level values. Even members of nations who didn't have any contact with Eurasian people can have Siberian, Southeast Asian, etc. pop up in their results. I doubt it's actual Asian ancestry in your case, unlike OP and Seya.

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I do agree with you it is probably noise.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

This two result is very different and a decent example for the question of how Bulgarian genetic diverse.


1 Baltic 29.65
4 North_Atlantic 16.56

1 North_Atlantic 26.9
2 Baltic 22.33

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Me > Baltic 29.65 + North_Atlantic 16.56 = Northern European 46.21
Sofia > Baltic 22.33 + North_Atlantic 26.9 = Northern European 49.23
So it is prety interesting how we have arround the same amount of Northern European when you add it up but I am more Slavic and he is more Western European. You can also see it in the Oracle he is 2/3 Hungarian 1/3 Italian and I am 2/3 Ukrainian and 1/3 Cypriot.

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Originally Posted by TheBalkanite

Me > Baltic 29.65 + North_Atlantic 16.56 = Northern European 46.21
Sofia > Baltic 22.33 + North_Atlantic 26.9 = Northern European 49.23
So it is prety interesting how we have arround the same amount of Northern European when you add it up but I am more Slavic and he is more Western European. You can also see it in the Oracle he is 2/3 Hungarian 1/3 Italian and I am 2/3 Ukrainian and 1/3 Cypriot.

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2/3 Hungarian and 1/3 Italian is a very atypical evaluation for Bulgarians which means heavily more West Europe admixture.

Average Bulgarian proxy is 50-60% Ukrainian and 40-50% Cypriot.

Thracian Bulgarians get 50-50 Ukrainian + Cypriot. NE Bulgarians get 60 Ukrainian 40 Cypriot. Central Bulgarians get 55 Ukrainian 45 Cypriot. I also got 54 Tatar - 46 Cypriot.


I'm around 36% North European in this sense.

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Originally Posted by Sofia

That is very interesting. I also wanna add that the (2nd) oldest known paternal ancestor(late 19th century, early 20th century) is half Albanian & half Greek (don't know from where), the Greek part being his father. He was from a village in Bulgaria called Mandritsa (the only Albanian village in Bulgaria).

When I was doing the DNA test I was secretly hoping to find Siberian DNA in my results as I am very fond of this geographic region and the native people there. Many people have told me I have East Asian look as well. I don't have epicanthic folds or anything striking, but just a vibe. Maybe something like Kaspias from here but he has A TON of Siberian, Central and East Asian DNA

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Have you done Y dna test it would be cool to see what your haplogroup is.

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Originally Posted by TheBalkanite

Have you done Y dna test it would be cool to see what your haplogroup is.

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First of all, sorry for the bump.

I got my Y-DNA results awhile back. I only did Y-25 and I came up as R1a. More specifically - R-M198 but I am pretty much with almost 100% certainty - R-L1029. Not too surprising I guess, maybe someone knows something more about it, would greatly appreciate information regarding it!

To keep it related with Autosomal DNA forum - I always used to get at least ~4.5+ distance as a first guess on every calculator(Not even Bulgaria most of the time). But I think I found the most accurate one for me and that's Dodecad K7b which pretty much nails me as a Bulgarian with 1.91 distance.

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1 Atlantic_Baltic 54.26
2 Southern 22.14
3 West_Asian 20.8
4 Siberian 2.72
5 African 0.06
6 East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 1.91
2 Romanians (Behar) 2.1
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 2.58
4 N_Italian (Dodecad) 8.11
5 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.94
6 North_Italian (HGDP) 10.4
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.04
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.64
9 Baleares (1000Genomes) 14.66
10 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 15.53
11 Spaniards (Behar) 15.85
12 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 16.04
13 Galicia (1000Genomes) 16.08
14 Murcia (1000Genomes) 16.22
15 Hungarians (Behar) 16.34
16 C_Italian (Dodecad) 16.37
17 Portuguese (Dodecad) 16.38
18 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 16.96
19 Greek (Dodecad) 17.03
20 French (HGDP) 17.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 2.4% Selkup (Rasmussen) @ 0.76
2 97.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 2.2% Ket (Rasmussen) @ 0.81
3 98.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 1.5% Nganassan (Rasmussen) @ 0.89
4 98.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 1.8% Dolgan (Rasmussen) @ 0.93
5 94.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 5.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 0.98
6 98.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 1.7% Yukagir (Rasmussen) @ 0.98
7 98.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 1.6% Evenk (Rasmussen) @ 1
8 98.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 1.6% Yakut (HGDP) @ 1.06
9 61.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 38.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.07
10 62.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 37.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.09
11 98.5% Romanians (Behar) + 1.5% Nganassan (Rasmussen) @ 1.13
12 69.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 30.4% Samaritians (Behar) @ 1.15
13 62.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.17
14 63.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 36.5% Russian (HGDP) @ 1.21
15 55.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 44.7% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.23
16 98.3% Romanians (Behar) + 1.7% Yukagir (Rasmussen) @ 1.23
17 98.4% Romanians (Behar) + 1.6% Evenk (Rasmussen) @ 1.24
18 98.2% Romanians (Behar) + 1.8% Dolgan (Rasmussen) @ 1.24
19 97.8% Romanians (Behar) + 2.2% Ket (Rasmussen) @ 1.25
20 62.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 37.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.25

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Originally Posted by Thracian

He has 2.67% Siberian+East Asian+Amerindian on k13 and as a Balkan Turk I have 3.54% on same calculator. So, I think it is not too low.

@Sofia, I think that you are northwestern shifted Bulgarian and your results are not too different. You can consider 20% Asia Minor as a Southeastern European on FTDNA.

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Why should Amerindian being a key component in this one?

R1a-L1029 is most common in the balkans in central bulgaria and macedonia, it seems to me to be connected to the eastern south slavic languages ie Bulgarian and Macedonian instead of western south slavic. So it is perfectly normal your y dna for a bulgarian. Its a good idea to join the bulgarian dna project if you havent(https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/bulgariandna/about).