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Weel, if I put the correct order this time and add correctly, Italian average North/South(hypotetical mother of Samnium) and random North French (Father of Samnium), hypotetial Samnium k13 may be:
North_Atlantic 29.95 Baltic15.11 West_Med20.88 West_Asian 9.49East_Med 19.42Red_Sea 2.93 South_Asian 1.13 East_Asian 0.04 Siberian 0.07Amerindian 0.19 Oceanian 0.20Northeast_African 0.40 Sub-Saharan.0.19
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Something like that, by mixing Abruzzo + the random sample I obtain :Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
North Atlantic 31,795
Baltic 15,785
West Med 19,8
East Med 18,335
West Asian 9,5
Red Sea 2,875
South Asian 0,925
Siberian 0,12
Amerindian 0,075
East Asian 0,125
Oceanian 0,31
Northeast African 0,3
Sub-Saharan 0,04
I don´t know if i did something wrong, those are results for original k13 spreadsheet:
Target: Hypothetical_Samnium
Distance: 0.3015% / 0.30146526
13.8 North_Italian
13.4 Austrian
11.6 South_Italian
10.8 Danish
7.2 Greek_Thessaly
7.2 Spanish_Valencia
6.2 Tuscan
5.6 Sardinian
5.6 Southeast_English
5.4 Lebanese_Druze
3.0 Bulgarian
2.8 Armenian
2.2 East_Sicilian
1.4 East_German
1.0 North_German
1.0 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.6 Cyprian
0.6 French_Basque
0.4 Iranian_Jewish
0.2 Brahmin_UP
Target: Hypothetical_Samnium
Distance: 3.5860% / 3.58596468 | ADC: 1x
78.6 North_Italian
21.4 Romanian
Target: Hypothetical_Samnium
Distance: 2.7045% / 2.70446481 | ADC: 0.5x
62.8 North_Italian
30.4 Romanian
6.8 Tuscan
Target: Hypothetical_Samnium
Distance: 1.0361% / 1.03610148 | ADC: 0.25x
34.6 North_Italian
30.8 Tuscan
21.2 Romanian
11.4 West_German
1.2 Tabassaran
0.8 Afghan_Pashtun
Distance to: Hypothetical_Samnium
6.65351787 North_Italian
8.49679351 Tuscan
11.85183108 Romanian
12.70791486 Greek_Thessaly
12.85084044 Bulgarian
13.80436525 Portuguese
14.09659179 Serbian
14.22073486 Italian_Abruzzo
14.44725233 Spanish_Extremadura
15.09083828 Spanish_Galicia
15.19513409 West_Sicilian
15.65071564 Spanish_Murcia
15.72122133 Spanish_Cataluna
16.15468044 Spanish_Andalucia
16.15622790 Spanish_Valencia
16.31837002 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
16.45935296 French
17.65839744 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
18.21445580 Central_Greek
18.98388791 East_Sicilian
19.23575577 Spanish_Cantabria
19.87622952 West_German
20.74292892 Southwest_French
21.00115473 Spanish_Aragon
21.00533504 Hungarian
k13 coordinates: Hypothetical_Samnium,29.95,15.11,20.88,9.49,19.42, 2.93,1.13,0.04,0.07,0.19,0.20,0.40,0.19
In my case, more accurate is 1x despite having in it more distance than others:
Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.6736% / 1.67362309
68.0 French_Basque
13.2 Lithuanian
9.2 Saudi
7.0 Sardinian
1.6 Somali
0.4 Kalash
0.4 Papuan
0.2 Punjabi_Jat
Target: gixajo
Distance: 4.4299% / 4.42993053 | ADC: 1x
92.2 Spanish_Cantabria
7.8 Southwest_French
Target: gixajo
Distance: 4.2241% / 4.22413283 | ADC: 0.5x
68.2 Spanish_Cantabria
31.2 Southwest_French
0.6 Somali
Target: gixajo
Distance: 3.3480% / 3.34797355 | ADC: 0.25x
58.6 Southwest_French
25.0 Spanish_Galicia
13.6 French_Basque
2.0 Somali
0.6 Balochi
0.2 Papuan
Distance to: gixajo
4.47476256 Spanish_Cantabria
4.94969696 Southwest_French
6.53212064 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
6.91217766 Spanish_Galicia
7.33265982 Spanish_Aragon
7.38237089 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
8.40199976 Spanish_Cataluna
8.42181097 Spanish_Extremadura
8.92045402 Portuguese
8.98541596 Spanish_Andalucia
9.14169022 Spanish_Valencia
9.27604981 Spanish_Murcia
13.17520778 French
15.58537776 French_Basque
17.12864560 North_Italian
18.97834029 South_Dutch
19.94465091 West_German
22.30096859 Southwest_English
22.78411508 Southeast_English
24.27163159 Tuscan
25.02480969 Orcadian
25.05265455 Austrian
25.67979751 West_Scottish
25.69507346 Irish
26.66457200 East_German
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I don´t know what I say...I am going to smoke a cigarrete...
Edit:NVM
Using the most northern Apulian on G25 and French_North you would be about 49% ENF, 10.5% Near Eastern, 32.5% Steppe and 8% extra WHGQuote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
On that front you are pretty similar to Albanians, Bulgarians, Ligurians, Piedmontese(I'm not sure why Piedmontese and Ligurian samples have so much Near Eastern ancestry when the rest of Northern Italy doesn't).
I don't know if French_North is accurate for my italian side.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpFork
I don't think that I would come out as Ligurian tho. Not at all.
50% Abruzzo + 50% French random sample (that's at 64 pct N.Atlantic + Baltic combined)
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25% Abruzzo + 25% Central Greek + 50% French sample
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50% Central Greek + 50% French sample
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25% Central Greek + 25% South-Italian + 50% French sample
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I didn't made heavy hypotheses, all of these references and mix are very "plausible" considering my ancestry.
It's only hypothesis (I don't know if I would be more "Eastern" or Western shifted), but as you see I come near Piedmontese, Venetians and Friulans.
Another thing is that you will end 52% FARMER + 38% YAMNAYA + 6% WHG, the rest could be iberomarusian or red devils cave.
I made several "simulations", you can see :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Where is your French side from exactly? In any case your 10-15% Near Eastern ancestry only fits in Piedmont, Liguria or Tuscany, not Veneto, Friuli or Trentino. Maybe Emilia but I never seen a G25 model of it using ancient populations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
Maybe on eurogenes you end up closer to those NE Italians but in terms of ancient components you have something that is out place for that part of Italy.
French side is from Haute-Savoie predominantly, a bit of Aosta (1/8) and distant Swiss French (I don't know how much). So Northern French genetically. You used maybe a Central/Southern French reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpFork
I used only "possible" scenarios that aren't wild guesses at all. Now the french part can be a bit different but in terms of "Northern component", the range is accurate. So I don't think that I will be "Tuscan shifted" or Ligurian shifted, definitely.
Like I said the Near Eastern DNA isn't magically going to disappear, NE Italians have less than 5% of it. At this point if you prefer k13 abstract components over actual ancestral populations, you might as well use some other metric than components to look at closeness(fst distance?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
French_North is definitely a northern selection of samples, it's more northern than Alsace and only barely different from French_Paris.
You don't get an "exact" 50/50 of the ancestries of your parent in modeling and calculors, also it's possible to have more Near Eastern DNA but at the same time more Northern components as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpFork
A northern French + Central Greek reference doesn't make you end up in Liguria/Tuscany. Not at all. Using only Eurogenes make that guess irrealistic.
Emilia is at 41% N.Atlantic + Baltic combined, given that Leto has taken a Central French average and a very Southern Italian average (South-Italian).
Also many NE Italians can be modeled as 75% French + 25% W.Asian.
Now I wouldn't use G25 Apulian samples, they are quite weird and not really representative. We don't even know from where they are. They could be from everywhere in Apulia. Even Taranto or very northern areas close to Abruzzo. That's why I used references, if I begin to use real samples from Southern Italy it can mean everything and nothing.
4/4 grandparents from Annecy (Haute Savoie):
Distance to: French:Annecy
8.58855052 Italy_Trentino
9.49325550 Italy_Aostavalley
9.75626978 French
10.15196040 France-South
10.75939589 Italy_Piedmont
10.80314306 Italy_Veneto
10.82755743 Austria-Tyrol
11.41417978 German_Bavarian
11.49806505 Spanish_Galicia
11.69361364 Italy_Friuli
12.10000413 Spanish_Cataluna
12.21911617 Italy_Lombardy
12.27182546 Portuguese
12.40666756 West_German
12.56725507 South_Dutch
13.18250356 Belgium
13.63896624 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
14.12036473 Spanish_Murcia
14.25924262 Austria-Burgenland
14.40413135 Spanish_Extremadura
14.87406804 Italy_Liguria
16.20016589 Szekely
16.36506034 Serbian
16.50915201 Spanish_Valencia
16.58200832 Italy_Emiliaromagna
Target: French:Annecy
Distance: 5.8588% / 5.85877498 | ADC: 0.25x
57.4 Italy_Trentino
21.8 France-South
18.8 West_Norwegian
2.0 Yemenite_Jewish
From Lyon (Rhône department), this one seems to have less Italian influence:
Distance to: French:Lyon
5.79624879 French
7.00464132 Italy_Aostavalley
7.89427641 France-South
8.33406263 German_Bavarian
8.67676207 South_Dutch
9.06284172 Austria-Tyrol
9.53753637 Spanish_Cataluna
10.15554528 Belgium
10.70161670 Spanish_Galicia
10.85715893 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
10.93993144 Italy_Piedmont
11.25118660 Portuguese
11.84057431 Spanish_Cantabria
12.25226918 Spanish_Extremadura
12.37286547 Southwest_English
12.65518076 Spanish_Murcia
12.86287293 Italy_Trentino
12.92921111 Southwest_French
13.19119024 West_German
13.39495427 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
13.80398493 Spanish_Valencia
13.96695386 Southeast_English
14.00549178 Italy_Veneto
14.37322859 England
14.62908405 Spanish_Aragon
Target: French:Lyon
Distance: 2.4089% / 2.40890350 | ADC: 0.25x
65.2 French
16.8 French_Basque
11.2 Southwest_English
5.4 North_Ossetian
1.4 Southwest_French
K15 updated has average for both Apulia and Calabria, you can try different combinations:
French:Annecy,27.48,23.45,11.74,5.70,16.05,0.32,13 .69,0.19,1.28,0,0,0,0.10,0,0
French:Lyon,25.71,28.81,7.95,6.07,16.84,7.62,4.00, 1.88,0.30,0,0.69,0,0,0,0.12
The first result is very strange if I had to say. It doesn't look like any result from that area. I think that he has something like italian ancestors back in time (great-grandparents probably).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vid Flumina
Haute-Savoie is located in the Northern French cluster, and Lyon is more like Central France, genetically, according to the wide study of Giemza et all.
Red Haute-Savoie, Green Rhône (where Lyon is located)
https://i.imgur.com/fgkXV3A.png
I have already used a Northern sample and my Apulian cherrypicked sample is even more northern than the Abruzzo average anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
You are using Eurogenes not meQuote:
A northern French + Central Greek reference doesn't make you end up in Liguria/Tuscany. Not at all. Using only Eurogenes make that guess irrealistic.
According to what?Quote:
Also many NE Italians can be modeled as 75% French + 25% W.Asian.
You are really cherrypicking, there is absolutely nothing weird about the Apulian sample specifically, virtually no region south of Lazio has less near eastern than the sample I cherrypicked for the sake of the argument.Quote:
Now I wouldn't use G25 Apulian samples, they are quite weird and not really representative.
Now you are just reaching, there is not some magical place in Southern Italy where somehow there is no Near Eastern admixture or that little of it, I already literally cherrypicked the one that had 10% less Near Eastern than the average. You really seem to have already come to a conclusion and walking your way, going against a far more reasonable model.Quote:
We don't even know from where they are. They could be from everywhere in Apulia. Even Taranto or very northern areas close to Abruzzo. That's why I used references, if I begin to use real samples from Southern Italy it can mean everything and nothing.
Well my ancestry is from an area that's Northern France genetically so not really cherrypicked. And Abruzzo can be more southern than Apulia, it's not surprising, I've seen many apulians samples scoring more "northern" than the Abruzzo average. Abruzzo isn't the tail end of the Southern Italian cluster.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpFork
Well Eurogenes can be kind of outdated, and there are blurry component, but what you need to understand is that what Tuscans and Emilians are East Med shifted compared to other Northern Italians. Modeling someone that's half "apulian" (we can take that) and half Northern French would make him plotting along Lombardy, Piemonte, Veneto rather than Emilia. "Northern" ratios don't match at all.Quote:
You are using Eurogenes not me
That's a common oracle in Eurogenes for Northern Italians, because yes they do have some East Med ancestry inherited mainly from Roman Imperial era, also you don't seem to understand that there are heavy differences in Northern Italy depending if it's the plain or an alpine area... You can't use Alpine areas as a benchmark for all Northern Italy, because they are very atypical genetically.Quote:
According to what?
You're saying idiocies anyway, half Portuguese Italian half Central Greek (Apulian) model plot in Tuscany/Northern Tuscany, half French half Central Greece would plot in Emilia that's very Tuscan shifted ? That's not logical at all.Quote:
Now you are just reaching, there is not some magical place in Southern Italy where somehow there is no Near Eastern admixture or that little of it, I already literally cherrypicked the one that had 10% less Near Eastern than the average. You really seem to have already come to a conclusion and walking your way, going against a far more reasonable model.
And I've never said there isn't Near Eastern admixture in any Southern Italian place, wtf. I've literally never said that and I'm always repeating on threads that Southern Italians do have some "Non-Euro" admixture.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
It's one of the two Annecy kits I sent you few months ago, other one was very similar. I personally checked their genealogy, extremely local (Choisy/Sillingy area) at least back to their great great grandparents.
About Haute Savoie cluster, I found this PCA from a French guy over at Anthrogenica thats been collecting samples from other French members:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/146n...Jk2ht281x/view
Bourgogne RHA (in chartreuse) + Swiss French + Martine (Jura department) should give you a rough idea
Also interesting position in Lukasz K36 report:
https://i.imgur.com/1i9tqYe.png
My point is I already did everything you said we should do, there is no reason to somehow think my Apulian or French sample is not "northern" enough, which is what you seem to have been impliying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
What's the point in dealing with fake components? I don't know what "east med" actually is while I can point at the Near Eastern DNA through actual ancient samples that simply didn't exist in Latium, Tuscany in the iron age and only existed up to 10% in Bronze Age Sicily, on the other hand all Southern Italians today have more of it and I choose the Apulian sample with least Near Eastern DNA, so again why are so skeptic?Quote:
Well Eurogenes can be kind of outdated, and there are blurry component, but what you need to understand is that what Tuscans and Emilians are East Med shifted compared to other Northern Italians. Modeling someone that's half "apulian" (we can take that) and half Northern French would make him plotting along Lombardy, Piemonte, Veneto rather than Emilia. "Northern" ratios don't match at all.
Look we can dispute samples and their provenance all day, but their general layout and pattern is clear and Piedmont and Liguria have that kind of Near Eastern DNA, Lombardy, Trentino, Veneto, Aosta, "Northeast", Bergamo(totally on top of the alps!) don't have it to same extent(less than 3%).Quote:
That's a common oracle in Eurogenes for Northern Italians, because yes they do have some East Med ancestry inherited mainly from Roman Imperial era, also you don't seem to understand that there are heavy differences in Northern Italy depending if it's the plain or an alpine area... You can't use Alpine areas as a benchmark for all Northern Italy, because they are very atypical genetically.
As they should given we are in the same ball park of Near Eastern DNA. French DNA doesn't eliminate the Near Eastern DNA.Quote:
You're saying idiocies anyway, half Portuguese Italian half Central Greek (Apulian) model plot in Tuscany/Northern Tuscany, half French half Central Greece would plot in Emilia that's very Tuscan shifted ? That's not logical at all.
The value I had before:
49% ENF, 10.5% Near Eastern, 32.5% Steppe and 8% extra WHG
Are directly comparable to Ligurian(although the Ligurian sample is just one and has weird Berber-like admixture, so whatever):
49.5% ENF, 13% Near Eastern+Berber, 29% Steppe and 8.5% WHG
And Piedmont:
55% ENF, 8.5% Near Eastern, 32% Steppe and 4.5% WHG
Tuscany is not that far:
54% ENF, 13% Near Eastern, 29% Steppe and 3% WHG
While on the other hand, Veneto looks like this:
57% ENF, 2.5% Near Eastern, 33% Steppe and 7.5% WHG
And Trentino like this:
57% ENF, 36% Steppe and 7% WHG
Are all those sample from Italy invalid? Should we have the family history of all the peolpe there back to the late antique period? Should we arbitrarily exclude some samples? Honestly we are running in circles just because you are really stubborn about technicalities and non-issues.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
You have to ask Lukasz what his FR_Savoie average consists of, because if it also includes Haute Savoie that's your closest approximation
No it's not what I'm saying, I'm only saying that's not logical the region where I would "plot" given the half southern Italian results that I've seen on gedmatch (and knowing their exact ancestry papertrail), that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpFork
It's simply incoherent.
And by the way I don't know if you have noticed, but it's not 50/50 for ancestry composition, not on G25 neither other calculator. So even your calculations are only one value that doesn't mean that much. That's why I made multiple models.
What's the point ? You haven't seen the models that I made ?Quote:
What's the point in dealing with fake components? I don't know what "east med" actually is while I can point at the Near Eastern DNA through actual ancient samples that simply didn't exist in Latium, Tuscany in the iron age and only existed up to 10% in Bronze Age Sicily, on the other hand all Southern Italians today have more of it and I choose the Apulian sample with least Near Eastern DNA, so again why are so skeptic?
None of them come as Emilian/Tuscan/Ligurian, and I even choose a very southern modelization like half S-Italian half Central Greek.
You don't understand that you can have more Near Eastern admixture but also more Northern components (exactly like Galicians have more North-African but more North European admixture and they still plot well within the Iberian cluster), overall you will not plot more "southern". The Venetian sample has similar Northern/Southern ratio than the model that you made.Quote:
Are all those sample from Italy invalid? Should we have the family history of all the peolpe there back to the late antique period? Should we arbitrarily exclude some samples? Honestly we are running in circles just because you are really stubborn about technicalities and non-issues.
You're just saying that Eurogenes K13 calculator is completely inaccurate and that if you plot/you are close with Venetians in reality you plot with Emilians because you have more "Near Eastern DNA". :picard2:
I think you haven't understood what I said, again. I'm talking about Eurogenes K13 modelizations.Quote:
Look we can dispute samples and their provenance all day, but their general layout and pattern is clear and Piedmont and Liguria have that kind of Near Eastern DNA, Lombardy, Trentino, Veneto, Aosta, "Northeast", Bergamo(totally on top of the alps!) don't have it to same extent(less than 3%).
And yes there are genetical differences between Alpine Italians and Italians that live in plain areas. Damn you clearly haven’t any clue about Southern Italian genetics.
I will ask but my guess is Southern Savoie, which turn out to be similar to Provence, no surprise (Southern Savoie is almost Provence geographically).Quote:
Originally Posted by Vid Flumina
Haute-Savoie hasn't really a good average, and I haven't seen lot of Haute-Savoie results, but Giemza showed that's an area that's in the Northern France cluster, these results are very Italian shifted, never seen something like that, even more than Auvergnats/Central French. It's very atypical also considering Haute-Savoie results that I have found that were halfway between West German and French average on Eurogenes K13.
Using my new neolithic calc, that is giving extremely good distances, i will make a decent neolithic simulation to Samnium:Quote:
Originally Posted by SharpFork
Target: Italian_Apulia
Distance: 0.6948% / 0.00694850
57.8 FARMER
32.4 YAMNAYA
6.4 IRN_Wezmeh_N
1.8 MAR_EN
0.8 KEN_Early_Pastoral_N
0.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
Target: French_Nord
Distance: 1.3273% / 0.01327337
46.8 YAMNAYA
46.6 FARMER
5.2 WHG
0.8 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.6 MAR_EN
Wow... Apulians more europeans than tuscans and lazians. So according this, and with a good distance, Samnium's results would be like this:
FARMER 52~%
YAMNAYA 40~%
WHG 3~%
IRN_Wezmeh_N 3~%
MAR_EN 1~%
Your calculator give strong fits, overall. It's very interesting, I will use itQuote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Savoie is Northern French as well on your map, lumped with Seine Maritime/Artois xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
Do you reckon both profiles (Provençal-like and Northern French-like) coexist within such tiny area?
Perfectly matches geography, what's so baffling about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
Would you mind posting them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
Haute-Savoie is Provençal-like, like Aosta Valley. These studies with modern samples have a fame of not being accurate.
there is no typical South Italian SSA, SSA in south Italians is very low and rareQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
It was a joke to make reference to the recurrent topic that always blame about any European population considered "dark".:thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by trebil
But, do you already make any test?Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Gedmatch calculators throw a lot of SSA at some Iberians, I have a 3.20 and 3.11 in K15 and K13 respectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Are you sure ? I will try to find new results about that area because I haven’t seen many of them. And what about Swiss French ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Token
There were a thread on Anthrogenica with many french results, some of rhem were partially from Haute-Savoie and they weren’t Provencal-shifted at all.
If anything I would expect Haute-Savoie to be somewhere between Swiss German and Val d’Aosta.
Savoie would be more Provencal-like, Haute-Savoie, don’t think so from what I’ve seen.
I have not SSA in k15 or k13.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Haute-Savoie:Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
1 North_Atlantic 40.93
2 West_Med 20.11
3 Baltic 18.42
4 East_Med 13.76
5 West_Asian 3.25
6 Red_Sea 1.81
7 South_Asian 0.92
8 Oceanian 0.69
9 Siberian 0.12
1 French 3.92
2 Spanish_Cataluna 7.71
3 West_German 8.41
4 Portuguese 8.52
5 South_Dutch 8.6
6 Spanish_Galicia 8.98
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.07
8 Spanish_Valencia 9.95
9 Spanish_Murcia 10.14
10 Spanish_Extremadura 10.6
11 Spanish_Cantabria 10.95
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.31
13 Southwest_French 11.44
14 Spanish_Andalucia 12.39
15 North_Italian 12.63
16 Spanish_Aragon 13.03
17 Austrian 13.15
18 Southeast_English 13.31
19 Southwest_English 14.66
20 East_German 15.18
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.4% North_Italian + 48.6% Southeast_English @ 2.61
2 54.7% West_German + 45.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.03
3 57.5% Spanish_Valencia + 42.5% Austrian @ 3.07
4 92.6% French + 7.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.08
5 64.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 35.6% Austrian @ 3.09
6 56% North_Italian + 44% Orcadian @ 3.12
7 84.1% French + 15.9% North_Italian @ 3.16
8 88.5% French + 11.5% Tuscan @ 3.17
9 90.8% French + 9.2% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.18
10 93.8% French + 6.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.19
11 50.4% West_German + 49.6% Portuguese @ 3.21
12 94% French + 6% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.21
13 57% Spanish_Murcia + 43% Austrian @ 3.22
14 69.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 30.6% Hungarian @ 3.22
15 91.8% French + 8.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.26
16 90.1% French + 9.9% Bulgarian @ 3.27
17 57.1% North_Italian + 42.9% North_Dutch @ 3.28
18 57.1% North_Italian + 42.9% Danish @ 3.29
19 57.8% Southeast_English + 42.2% Tuscan @ 3.32
20 93.3% French + 6.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.34
Samnium's father is 8-12% East_Med and 0-2% Red_Sea, I would guess.
I have also results from Haute-Savoie that plot "northern" of "French reference", I will make a whole post with all the results that I have found (I don't have them, I have done a search that has done nothing but I will continue).Quote:
Originally Posted by Token
+ this sample isn't particuliarly southern shifted.
This sample is roughly like Provence, more or less equidistant from Iberians and West Germans. This Provence sample is even more northern than Savoyards. Haute-Savoie is in southeastern France, i don't know why you expect it to be genetically Northern French.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samnium
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.51
2 West_Med 22.08
3 Baltic 20.48
4 West_Asian 7.01
5 East_Med 5.86
6 Siberian 1.06
1 French 6.3
2 South_Dutch 6.43
3 West_German 7.42
4 Southeast_English 10.24
5 Southwest_English 10.46
6 Spanish_Cataluna 11.14
7 Southwest_French 11.42
8 Orcadian 11.99
9 Spanish_Cantabria 12.25
10 Austrian 12.35
11 Spanish_Galicia 12.53
12 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 12.64
13 Irish 12.75
14 North_German 12.88
15 Portuguese 13.08
16 West_Scottish 13.1
17 North_Dutch 13.11
18 Danish 13.46
19 East_German 13.65
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.81