Presence of E-V65 in Lebanon. At least we now know that E-M78 clades were present in the Near East in that time period.Quote:
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Presence of E-V65 in Lebanon. At least we now know that E-M78 clades were present in the Near East in that time period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
Nice. Do you mind sharing em? I want to fuck around with it for a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
G25 Anatolia&LEvant 2020
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TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032,0.100164,0.149283,-0.059208,-0.083657,-0.017542,-0.03263,0.00235,-0.007384,-0.015339,0.016583,0.010393,0.003147,-0.010852,0.006193,-0.014658,-0.005436,0.004042,0.000633,0.001131,0.000875,0.001248,0.005317,-0.0053,0.000723,0.000599
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART038,0.113823,0.162485,-0.059208,-0.094316,0.003077,-0.03012,0.000235,-0.004615,-0.01309,0.030433,0.000325,0.009142,-0.000892,0.004679,-0.019679,-0.000265,-0.004303,0.005194,0.002514,-0.01038,-0.001622,0.001237,-0.01405,-0.006266,-0.004071
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART039,0.102441,0.155376,-0.039598,-0.065892,-0.011079,-0.0251,-0.003995,-0.006461,-0.046427,0.002551,-0.011205,0.001199,-0.027651,-0.004266,-0.020358,-0.00411,0.033769,-0.007221,-0.005279,0.011756,0.003494,0.018053,-0.005423,-0.009037,0.010179
TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042,0.102441,0.151314,-0.057322,-0.098838,-0.000923,-0.037371,-0.007755,-0.007615,0.010635,0.021139,0.007957,-0.002997,0.010406,-0.002064,-0.010179,0.014452,0.015255,0.002534,0.003142,-5e-04,-0.008111,0.004451,-0.001356,-0.009278,-0.00012
TUR_Buyukkaya_EC,0.106994,0.165531,-0.031678,-0.090117,0.004001,-0.035419,0.005875,-0.011769,-0.006136,0.042279,0.004222,0.005995,-0.017245,-0.000413,-0.029723,-0.012198,0.014473,-0.004687,0.00088,-0.006878,-0.001872,0.002844,-0.008134,-0.009399,0.001317
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT002,0.104717,0.150298,-0.058454,-0.093347,-0.011079,-0.037092,0.009165,-0.006923,-0.012885,0.026424,0.011205,0.003297,-0.007284,-0.002202,-0.010858,-0.005436,0.013169,0.010262,-0.00176,-0.003752,0.004991,-0.00136,-0.011955,-0.00494,-0.002036
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT003,0.106994,0.160454,-0.035826,-0.096254,0,-0.035419,0.001645,-0.008538,-0.009613,0.032256,0.015914,0.018583,-0.025421,-0.000275,-0.018865,-0.004906,0.015125,-0.012035,0.012067,-0.022136,0.017095,-0.008285,0.009737,-0.010965,0.00479
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT004,0.114961,0.157407,-0.049026,-0.09367,-0.008001,-0.033188,0.005875,-0.006,-0.007158,0.026242,0.003573,0.004496,-0.008622,0.008808,-0.02158,-0.008221,0.010822,-0.006081,0.010684,-0.008129,0.001622,-0.007419,-0.010106,-0.005663,-0.012214
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT005,0.10927,0.162485,-0.046386,-0.095931,-0.004924,-0.032351,0.006815,-0.001385,-0.01268,0.022415,0.011205,0.001499,-0.013231,0.007707,-0.031759,-0.009149,0.012908,0.004687,-0.002263,-0.01063,-0.004492,0.004328,-0.012078,-0.002289,-0.003712
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT010,0.117238,0.160454,-0.0445,-0.096577,0,-0.044344,-0.002115,-0.006231,-0.016566,0.026242,0.007795,0.001798,-0.005649,0.006055,-0.020765,-0.02148,0,0.000887,0.010433,-0.009379,-0.002995,0.009027,-0.007395,0.001807,-0.007305
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT011,0.104717,0.155376,-0.050534,-0.09044,-0.008309,-0.035977,0.00376,-0.014076,-0.015544,0.020775,0.003085,0.008243,-0.011893,0.004129,-0.026737,-0.018297,-0.002347,-0.001647,0.007542,-0.021135,-0.00287,-0.001113,-0.003328,-0.016026,0.006227
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT013,0.106994,0.153345,-0.053174,-0.09044,-0.003385,-0.03765,0.00752,-0.008077,-0.015339,0.028247,0.009743,0.006594,-0.01219,0.000963,-0.02348,0.009414,0.028163,-0.00114,0.016466,0.006878,0.003244,0,-0.008997,-0.009037,-0.007065
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014,0.105855,0.162485,-0.049403,-0.078489,-0.006463,-0.029005,0.00235,-0.007846,-0.01268,0.017859,0.002598,0.001049,-0.013082,0.004817,-0.013979,-0.006232,0.015516,-0.00038,0.003771,-0.006253,0.001123,0.004204,0.003944,-0.004458,0.001557
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT015,0.10927,0.149283,-0.061094,-0.082365,-0.012925,-0.030678,0.00564,-0.011999,-0.019021,0.030616,-0.006008,0.003897,-0.00669,0.002477,-0.02348,0.001193,0.024643,-0.00152,0.00352,0.004002,-0.000499,0.01286,-0.007641,-0.001205,0.004431
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT016,0.10927,0.159438,-0.051288,-0.086564,-0.009232,-0.033746,0.009165,-0.002538,-0.005727,0.023326,0.002923,0.003147,-0.010555,0.00289,-0.031894,0.002917,0.033769,0.006461,-0.008925,-0.004377,0.004118,-0.000124,-0.00986,0.001446,-0.007424
TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT017,0.110408,0.157407,-0.049403,-0.081073,-0.003385,-0.025379,0.0047,-0.004846,-0.016362,0.02934,0.000325,3e-04,-0.014866,-0.00289,-0.026465,-0.00305,0.028554,0.006461,0.000377,-0.000375,0.004866,0.004699,-0.003821,-0.006025,-0.002754
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI009,0.099026,0.160454,-0.032432,-0.073321,-0.025543,-0.049921,0.013396,0.005769,-0.026997,0.015126,0.012179,0.009292,-0.009514,0.006606,-0.013979,-0.0179,0.001825,0.007348,-0.002891,-0.009254,-0.015972,-0.005812,0.005669,-0.008796,0.003712
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI012,0.114961,0.141159,-0.056945,-0.080427,-0.014464,-0.019243,-0.017391,-0.000923,-0.022293,0.016948,-0.001949,0.01109,-0.003568,0.018992,-0.014251,-0.000265,0.032857,-0.009248,0.017849,-0.007754,-0.001497,-0.010634,-0.001725,-0.01217,0.018202
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI016,0.103579,0.151314,-0.056568,-0.070414,-0.010771,-0.030399,0.012691,-0.014999,-0.043768,0.022233,0.005034,0.012739,-0.029137,0.012111,-0.020629,-0.005967,0.009648,-0.011402,0.016969,-0.013381,0.009608,-0.007296,0.004067,-0.004579,-0.002754
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI017,0.127482,0.153345,-0.037335,-0.069768,0.007694,-0.030399,0.018096,-0.006923,-0.03211,0.013485,0.006333,0.003447,-0.022299,-0.004679,-0.009908,-0.014983,0.017341,0.011655,0.003142,-0.005878,0.021337,0.002473,-0.013927,0.004097,0.008622
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI024,0.103579,0.148267,-0.041106,-0.088825,-0.003693,-0.018407,0.002585,-0.006,-0.015339,0.040639,0.014128,-0.007493,-0.026313,0.009221,-0.024973,-0.015248,0.001043,-0.009502,0.015209,-0.023011,-0.015348,0.007666,0.00912,-0.01928,-0.005389
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI034,0.103579,0.145221,-0.064865,-0.072352,-0.011387,-0.034861,0.0047,0.005077,-0.028224,0.00656,0.024845,0.012289,-0.014569,0.011698,-0.02823,-0.003447,0.01017,0.002534,-0.00264,0.01113,-0.001497,0.00915,-0.000616,-0.015785,-0.008502
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI036,0.105855,0.166547,-0.05506,-0.070091,-0.014772,-0.026495,0.00705,0.001615,-0.026179,0.023508,0.014453,-0.00015,-0.014123,0.001376,-0.008143,-0.017369,0.021905,0.018623,-0.010182,-0.011005,-0.00262,-0.011376,-0.012941,-0.012773,0.005508
TUR_Ikiztepe_LC:IKI037,0.106994,0.156392,-0.056945,-0.098515,-0.015387,-0.032072,0.01034,0.014999,-0.027611,0.01877,0.003897,0.000899,-0.007433,0.018166,-0.005836,-0.036595,-0.006519,0.010769,0.005279,-0.012881,0.003743,-0.003462,-0.001109,-0.003856,0.016166
TUR_Tell_Kurdu_EC:KRD003,0.100164,0.175687,-0.031678,-0.13017,0.032006,-0.051037,-0.007285,-0.013153,0.031292,0.062871,0.003085,-0.005695,-0.002081,0.011147,-0.034202,-0.020419,-0.001695,0.004941,0.005656,-0.008004,-0.007237,0.007419,-0.00419,-0.009399,0.00455
TUR_Tell_Kurdu_EC:KRD004,0.102441,0.173656,-0.02489,-0.144059,0.032314,-0.050758,-0.031726,0.014307,0.013294,0.052484,0.011205,0.003897,0.013082,-0.006606,-0.036509,-0.006099,0.04759,0.0019,0.022751,0.007504,-0.002995,0.001113,0.025019,-0.000241,-0.013771
TUR_Tell_Kurdu_EC:KRD006,0.097888,0.171624,-0.01961,-0.120803,0.024928,-0.058009,-0.008225,0.000231,0.033337,0.04483,0.012342,0,-0.006541,0.004404,-0.036509,-0.016971,0.008605,0.003801,0.017095,5e-04,-0.002995,0.010758,-0.002711,-0.008194,-0.005389
TUR_Tell_Kurdu_MC,0.102441,0.147252,-0.046009,-0.095608,0.010156,-0.051316,-0.003055,-0.017076,0.011044,0.047199,0.011205,-0.004796,0.012487,-0.004266,-0.040173,-0.002254,0.027902,0.001267,0.004525,0.005628,-0.008735,0.006183,-0.018487,-0.009278,0.00934
TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA,0.105855,0.151314,-0.072407,-0.090763,-0.016311,-0.031515,0.004465,-0.000692,-0.022907,0.014032,0.006008,0.016335,-0.004906,0.014175,-0.012351,0.007955,0.004172,0.000887,0.016592,0.005628,0.008859,-0.004575,-0.011955,0.008555,-0.006945
Give me a model you made and I'll run them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinalFlash
ARM_MBA,0.0091,0.01205,-0.0084,-0.0041,-0.0114,-0.001,0.0014,-0.00285,-0.0262,-0.01035,0.00255,0,-0.00515,0.00125,0.01025,-2e-04,0.00065,-0.0029,0.00045,-1e-04,0.00435,0.00105,0.0044,-0.00065,8e-04Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA,0.009225,0.014925,-0.011225,-0.0255,-0.001325,-0.00985,-0.001025,-0.003375,-0.005575,0.0156,0.006,0.004675,-0.008125,0.00225,-0.0102,-0.003375,0.00895,-0.0017,0.007,-0.005925,-0.00255,0.005,-0.0039,0.00255,-0.001175
Levant_Canaanite_MBA,0.00714,0.01446,-0.01626,-0.03032,-0.00342,-0.01396,-0.00204,-0.00286,0.0056,0.00558,0.00646,-0.00652,0.01452,0.004,-0.00558,0.00492,-0.00012,-0.00094,0.0012,0.0034,0.00342,0.0061,-0.00102,0.00132,-0.00042
Use these.
Thank you, man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukasz
My results:
Distance to: Kamal900
0.03799076 Levant_LBN_MA
0.03921826 Levant_LBN_Roman
0.04314336 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.04505131 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.04530582 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.04548527 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.04771527 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
0.04969605 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.05113403 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
0.05143571 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05181818 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.05189904 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2
0.05202977 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.05232986 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.05374188 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.05443307 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.05542533 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.05548492 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.05560199 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART019
0.05658118 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.05684784 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.05689119 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.05702359 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.05727242 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.05786347 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
happycow:
Distance to: TimA_scaled
0.04544009 Levant_LBN_Roman
0.04554234 Levant_LBN_MA
0.04708275 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
0.04979644 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.05121750 England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.05175846 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2
0.05179682 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.05274474 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05464037 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.05574646 Levant_ISR_MLBA
0.05712185 Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_LBA
0.05751750 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.05857003 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.05868472 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.05947796 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.06056444 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.06068051 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.06123869 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.06171663 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.06200298 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.06205661 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.06210781 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM012
0.06254274 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.06287612 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART019
0.06343409 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
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Bad model: not enough sources to catch my more northern , berber, and east asian ancestry, but ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinalFlash
Just add in your berber and east asian selection. If your Steppe ancestry exceeds 30%, then add that too because otherwise I think Arm_MBA will capture that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
Assumed it's scaled (Sibling and I):Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
Target: S_scaled
Distance: 15.2046% / 0.15204635
50.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
49.4 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
Target: Me_scaled
Distance: 15.0223% / 0.15022332
65.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
34.6 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
Did you use Vahaduo? The distances are terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
YupQuote:
Originally Posted by FinalFlash
Palestinians :
Distance to: Palestinian
0.05479541 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.05691589 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.05756896 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.05779329 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.05834577 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.05899833 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05899895 Levant_Megiddo_IA:I4517
0.05985608 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.05998619 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06017467 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4518
0.06148998 Levant_Megiddo_IBA:I4521
0.06175348 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.06230596 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10769
0.06235229 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06236433 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10093
0.06250049 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2190
0.06254774 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06283717 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4525
0.06348799 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.06391509 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10770
0.06443085 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10268
0.06464723 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM012
0.06473382 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I8187
0.06532725 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10092
0.06624119 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
Distance to: Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.03319030 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.03321986 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.03373637 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.03732809 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.03778698 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.03801151 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.03863533 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.03875452 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.03934547 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.03986819 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.03993598 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.04000324 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.04033509 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.04034720 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.04042877 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.04069120 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.04101744 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.04113844 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.04152042 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.04162886 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.04185351 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.04217268 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.04398827 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.04415775 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.04428352 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
Jews :
Distance to: Sephardic_Jew
0.05747080 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.05840990 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06003368 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06103053 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.06210862 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06265548 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.06306823 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.06353037 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.06367497 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.06467304 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.06525216 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06535778 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.06553333 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.06664399 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.06781343 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.06823250 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06859594 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.06888135 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA011
0.06914077 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.06915879 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.06918228 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.06919378 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06994815 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07025669 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07027364 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
Distance to: Ashkenazi_Germany
0.06073974 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06452788 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06556824 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06773915 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06919990 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06925638 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.07066801 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.07126182 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.07159588 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.07299006 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.07306252 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.07309329 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.07402717 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT017
0.07424076 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07426395 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.07439294 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.07449336 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07529392 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.07542377 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.07544534 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.07588258 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.07597838 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART005
0.07647781 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA028
0.07665246 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.07738183 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT004
https://media.giphy.com/media/ij8AeeqXKFZm0/source.gif
Me and my fellow Pali friend.
Me:
Target: Kamal900
Distance: 1.2025% / 0.01202497
49.0 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
16.2 TKM_IA
13.8 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
10.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche
8.8 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
1.4 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP
Happycow:
Target: happycow
Distance: 1.4568% / 0.01456817
43.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
18.0 TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA
15.2 Canary_Islands_Guanche
12.4 TKM_IA
6.2 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
2.8 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP
2.2 Levant_JOR_EBA
Palestinian Muslims:
Target: Palestinian
Distance: 1.2792% / 0.01279191
56.2 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
15.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
12.4 TKM_IA
9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
4.0 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP
3.4 Levant_Baqah_BA
Alalakh is in the Levant. How do you manage to lose against a strawman you constructed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nassbean
It's in the very north of the Levant in what is now Hatay, Turkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamal900
The thing is that the city was founded by the Amorites and so on, and they were genetically more northern shifted than say their fellow Semites in the Southern part of the levant due to having cultural and trade ties with west Asian civilizations like the Hittites and so on. Still, though, western Jewish peoples have around the same level of Canaanite ancestry as Palestinian Muslims which pretty much these studies confirms it:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
https://i.ibb.co/SwJkhqL/2020-02-18-...5d1407d378.jpg
Ashkenazi_Russia is the most north shifted Ashkenazi reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamal900
Sure. Just giving an idea that they have as much right to their ancestral homeland as Palestinians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
Turkmenistan IA is a mixed sample, it's not purely Steppe since it's not Bronze Age.
It appears the Alalakh samples are closest to the Ebla samples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kamal900
as if all ancient levantines were canaanites ..you better focus on the samples themselves. I would have expect your people to be closer to these megiddo samples but it seems it's more palestinians. Game over Yitzhak ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
Might I add that the lack of R1a results suggests that R1a was not heavily present in Central Asia at the time.
Now, you're not only arguing that one must be fully Levantine to be there, but also fully Southern Canaanite. Ok, let's take your strawman and arbitrary requirements. Some of the Philistine samples from Ancient Israel plot like I do. The outliers from Megiddo plot in Turkey and the Caucasus. Does this satisfy your silly plotting criteria? I plot like the ancient peoples from the land I'm claiming. If you require that everyone there descends from EBA Canaanites, you will disqualify some Palestinians as well, as majority of their ancestry comes from elsewhere. Do you realize that even the anti-Semites think you're stupid? You continually argue that Western Jews are mixed with Europeans, which no one disputes, but you pretend they do and that you get attacked for it. Does your Arab admixture disqualify you from living in North Africa? What's the blood quota?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nassbean
I've read in one of those papers before yesterday that after the bronze age the Levant received an extra admixture of East African like, how can we explain this and when did this happen?
I guess that was due to slavery and Islamic conquests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamm
What do you mean? Aren't the papers about West Asia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
Well palestinians plot with ancient southern levantines which is logical meanwhile people who pretend to be more indigenous don't plot with them but only with northern shifted levantines (from the far north) and outliers. And how am I supposed to trust you if you're scared to share your coordinates ...that's weird. You also tend to contradict yourself : half of your ancestry is european but you're supposed to plot with ancient southern levantines ? The same levantines that didn't have such high amount of European dna ...My point is simply that your people certainly do not have more legitimacy to claim this land and clearly didn't look like ancient hebrews. You're simply a buch of heterogeneous/mixed individuals who kept an old altered semitic tradition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pine
Also don't try to bring your "antisemite" excuse here I've nothing against jews or judaism I'm simply against this nasty zionist ideology.
What's next ? canarians being berber because of their 20-30% berber ancestry ?
@Pine, can you share your HarappaWorld components?
probably zanj slave trade (they were taken directly from the east african coast)Quote:
Originally Posted by Adamm
This is because Western Jews are not pure Levantines, but you'll claim that we think we are a post later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nassbean
I'm not going to share my coordinates with anti-semites. If you want to call me out on lying about my results, please do so and we'll get some intermediary to run my coordinates. Alternatively, don't you think I could've made up coordinates for this? It's not hard, I can just take a weighted average of myself and some Levantine per coordinate. That's <1 minute of work in excel.Quote:
And how am I supposed to trust you if you're scared to share your coordinates ...that's weird.
I'm not supposed to plot with continually native southern levantines. It just happens that you came up with an arbitrary plotting criteria, which no one but you cares about and I just happen to still satisfy it because of Bronze Age arrivals to the Levant. Please tell me your "didn't look like" is not about muh phenotypes again. Stop boring me. I don't care. Go bug Anatolian and Pontic Greeks about this. Go bug Polish Germans about this. Go bug Balkan Turks about this. We're not the first admixed ethnicity to return to our homeland and probably won't be the last.Quote:
You also tend to contradict yourself : half of your ancestry is european but you're supposed to plot with ancient southern levantines ? The same levantines that didn't have such high amount of European dna ...My point is simply that your people certainly do not have more legitimacy to claim this land and clearly didn't look like ancient hebrews. You're simply a buch of heterogeneous/mixed individuals who kept an old altered semitic tradition
Ok, Al-Fake Talmud quotes.Quote:
Also don't try to bring your "antisemite" excuse here I've nothing against jews or judaism I'm simply against this nasty zionist ideology.
Have they maintained Berber identity instead of a Spanish one? Do they trigger you? They live in the same place anyhow.Quote:
What's next ? canarians being berber because of their 20-30% berber ancestry ?
When you find some smoking gun evidence for something relevant, let me know. Till then, I'm tired of going in circles with your strawmen.
Yes but the whole point of the papers is that they demonstrate some sort of heavy Central Asian migration into West Asia. This would surely impact the haplogroups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Snow
Ancient Central Asians from the BMAC had actually NorthWest Asian DNA and haplogroups because there were heavy West Asian migrations into Central Asia in the Copper and Bronze age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
https://i.postimg.cc/VLpWfVJh/a.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/4NQXZr2f/c.jpg
Those from the Northern Mesopotamia who migrated into the Northern Levant were most likely Hurrian people influenced by the Uruk Sumerians
https://i.postimg.cc/mDL5Y5Nw/urn-ca...456map1-11.png
That's far from being the point of the paper. It shows one female outlier from BMAC with some small Steppe ancestry. Later samples from the Levant don't need to be modelled with her. She's a dead end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
She had minor Western Siberian HG (WSHG) Steppe ancestry, just like other ancient Central Asians who came from the Western Iran/Kurdistan and mixed with the locals in Central Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
That lady had WSHG, so she was connected to BMAC.
BMAC was actually a Sumerian 'colony' in Central Asia.
Just some excerpts from one of the papers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
“We found that significant genetic changes that were marked by an increase in Eurasian ancestry related to ancient Europeans and ancient Central Asians occurred after the Bronze Age and starting from the Iron Age II (Figure S7A).”
“ that two Hellenistic individuals (SFI-5 and SFI-12) and one early Roman individual (SFI- 11) had excess haplotype sharing with Central and South Asians (Figures 2E and S9), thus confirming the qpAdm re- sults. The relationship of ancient Lebanon with Central and South Asia also manifests in the presence of hap- logroup L1a1-M27 among the modern Lebanese Y chro- mosome lineages (Figure S10). Haplogroup L1a1-M27 is common today in Central and South Asia but rare else- where”
Haplogroup Q ancients have never been found before in the Middle East, this is a first. + the other two individuals had East Eurasian mtdna.
The central Asian woman in the first paper in OP is very significant as well. People don’t migrate on their own. It means central Asian migrations to West Asia were happening much earlier than previously thought.
BMAC alabaster vessel in the Sumerian style, 3rd Millennium BC.
https://i.postimg.cc/nznhvpPP/8554610.jpg
http://eclecticmuseum.com/intercultural-style.html
Interesting. How Sumerians can be modelized?
Sumerians were White:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2843826