NEW three papers with ancient Levant genomes

**Pine** · 05-29-2020, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by FinalFlash

Did you use Vahaduo? The distances are terrible.

Yup

**~~Nassbean~~** · 05-29-2020, 05:18 PM

Palestinians :

Distance to: Palestinian
0.05479541 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.05691589 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.05756896 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.05779329 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.05834577 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.05899833 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05899895 Levant_Megiddo_IA:I4517
0.05985608 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.05998619 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06017467 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4518
0.06148998 Levant_Megiddo_IBA:I4521
0.06175348 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.06230596 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10769
0.06235229 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06236433 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10093
0.06250049 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2190
0.06254774 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06283717 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4525
0.06348799 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.06391509 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10770
0.06443085 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10268
0.06464723 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM012
0.06473382 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I8187
0.06532725 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10092
0.06624119 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004

Distance to: Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.03319030 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.03321986 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.03373637 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.03732809 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.03778698 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.03801151 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.03863533 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.03875452 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.03934547 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.03986819 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.03993598 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.04000324 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.04033509 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.04034720 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.04042877 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.04069120 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.04101744 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.04113844 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.04152042 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.04162886 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.04185351 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.04217268 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.04398827 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.04415775 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.04428352 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002

Jews :

Distance to: Sephardic_Jew
0.05747080 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.05840990 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06003368 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06103053 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.06210862 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06265548 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.06306823 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.06353037 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.06367497 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.06467304 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.06525216 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06535778 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.06553333 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.06664399 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.06781343 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.06823250 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06859594 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.06888135 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA011
0.06914077 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.06915879 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.06918228 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.06919378 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06994815 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07025669 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07027364 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Germany
0.06073974 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06452788 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06556824 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06773915 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06919990 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06925638 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.07066801 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.07126182 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.07159588 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.07299006 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.07306252 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.07309329 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.07402717 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT017
0.07424076 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07426395 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.07439294 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.07449336 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07529392 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.07542377 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.07544534 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.07588258 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.07597838 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART005
0.07647781 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA028
0.07665246 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.07738183 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT004

**~~Kamal900~~** · 05-29-2020, 05:27 PM

Me and my fellow Pali friend.

Me:
Target: Kamal900
Distance: 1.2025% / 0.01202497
49.0 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
16.2 TKM_IA
13.8 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
10.8 Canary_Islands_Guanche
8.8 AZE_Caucasus_lowlands_LN
1.4 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP

Happycow:
Target: happycow
Distance: 1.4568% / 0.01456817
43.2 Levant_Baqah_BA
18.0 TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA
15.2 Canary_Islands_Guanche
12.4 TKM_IA
6.2 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
2.8 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP
2.2 Levant_JOR_EBA

Palestinian Muslims:
Target: Palestinian
Distance: 1.2792% / 0.01279191
56.2 Levant_Canaanite_MBA
15.0 Levant_JOR_EBA
12.4 TKM_IA
9.0 Canary_Islands_Guanche
4.0 TZA_Zanzibar_1300BP
3.4 Levant_Baqah_BA

**Pine** · 05-29-2020, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Nassbean

Palestinians :

Distance to: Palestinian
0.05479541 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.05691589 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.05756896 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.05779329 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.05834577 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.05899833 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.05899895 Levant_Megiddo_IA:I4517
0.05985608 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.05998619 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06017467 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4518
0.06148998 Levant_Megiddo_IBA:I4521
0.06175348 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.06230596 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10769
0.06235229 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06236433 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10093
0.06250049 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2190
0.06254774 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06283717 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I4525
0.06348799 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.06391509 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10770
0.06443085 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10268
0.06464723 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM012
0.06473382 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I8187
0.06532725 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10092
0.06624119 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004

Distance to: Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.03319030 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.03321986 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM005
0.03373637 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.03732809 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.03778698 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.03801151 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.03863533 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA034
0.03875452 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.03934547 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2198
0.03986819 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I2195
0.03993598 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.04000324 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM006
0.04033509 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA035
0.04034720 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.04042877 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10771
0.04069120 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10097
0.04101744 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA014
0.04113844 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.04152042 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.04162886 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.04185351 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA004
0.04217268 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.04398827 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:I10099
0.04415775 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.04428352 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002

Jews :

Distance to: Sephardic_Jew
0.05747080 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.05840990 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06003368 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06103053 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.06210862 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06265548 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.06306823 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.06353037 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.06367497 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.06467304 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.06525216 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06535778 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.06553333 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.06664399 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.06781343 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.06823250 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.06859594 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM016
0.06888135 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA011
0.06914077 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM023
0.06915879 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.06918228 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.06919378 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA026
0.06994815 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07025669 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07027364 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016

Distance to: Ashkenazi_Germany
0.06073974 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA030
0.06452788 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA_o1:I2200
0.06556824 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT014
0.06773915 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA039
0.06919990 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART014
0.06925638 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART020
0.07066801 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA095
0.07126182 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA020
0.07159588 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA013
0.07299006 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA002
0.07306252 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART024
0.07309329 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA025
0.07402717 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT017
0.07424076 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA018
0.07426395 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART032
0.07439294 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART042
0.07449336 TUR_Buyukkaya_EC
0.07529392 SYR_Ebla_EMBA:ETM010
0.07542377 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART015
0.07544534 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA029
0.07588258 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA:S10768
0.07597838 TUR_Arslantepe_LC:ART005
0.07647781 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA028
0.07665246 TUR_Alalakh_MLBA:ALA016
0.07738183 TUR_Camlibel_Tarlasi_LC:CBT004

Alalakh is in the Levant. How do you manage to lose against a strawman you constructed?

**~~Kamal900~~** · 05-29-2020, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Pine

Alalakh is in the Levant. How do you manage to lose against a strawman you constructed?

It's in the very north of the Levant in what is now Hatay, Turkey.

**Pine** · 05-29-2020, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kamal900

It's in the very north of the Levant in what is now Hatay, Turkey.

Correct.

**~~Kamal900~~** · 05-29-2020, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Pine

Correct.

The thing is that the city was founded by the Amorites and so on, and they were genetically more northern shifted than say their fellow Semites in the Southern part of the levant due to having cultural and trade ties with west Asian civilizations like the Hittites and so on. Still, though, western Jewish peoples have around the same level of Canaanite ancestry as Palestinian Muslims which pretty much these studies confirms it:

**Pine** · 05-29-2020, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Kamal900

The thing is that the city was founded by the Amorites and so on, and they were genetically more northern shifted than say their fellow Semites in the Southern part of the levant due to having cultural and trade ties with west Asian civilizations like the Hittites and so on. Still, though, western Jewish peoples have around the same level of Canaanite ancestry as Palestinian Muslims which pretty much these studies confirms it:

Ashkenazi_Russia is the most north shifted Ashkenazi reference.