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Didn't knew that. And do you think there shouldn't be any Greek aggregate that collects all regions of Greece? I noticed the same is with Russians, Germans, Dutch, Spanish, Italians, that they don't have a national aggregate, only regional ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
those averages probably wouldn't be very useful for modelling purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
it would still be interesting to see them. but they would need to be carefully weighted by population size.
also, a 100 years old or more census would have to be used if possible. because, for example, it makes no sense to multiyply the average of the natives of Athens region by 3 million, just because 3 million people from all over Greece live there now.
That's only the city, but the surrounding area is called Ilfov. You can also see it in the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I don't think it is so illogical to have national aggregates, since all current European countries are nation-states and not region-states. Of course the minorities of a given country shouldn't be calculated into the national aggregate, but honestly, to most people in the real world, they speak of Spanish, Greeks, Germans, Italians, Russians, and very rarely they make the distinction of referring to Thessalians, Westphalians, Apulians, Novgorodians, etc. Me personally, I do like to see what an average Spanish, Polish, Turkish, Irish, Greek or anyone else looks like genetically.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
all that is true, i just meant those averages aren't very useful for somebody searching for his ancestry, because his Greek ancestry could be from Pontic Greeks, who are genetically very different from the average Greeks, and other similar situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
My point wasn't to exclude the already established regional aggregates, but to add also national ones. For example I like to run customized calculators by focusing only on the larger picture, like nations, and on such occasions I do exclude regions from the Source, which sometimes show way too bloated and repetitive results. Like for example rather than having 7 Hungarian regions in my top 10 distances, I would rather have one that represents the aggregate of Hungarians. Of course other times I do enjoy the quirks of all the small regional break-downs, but I would rather have the option to choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
a simplified spreadsheet, i get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
National average do make sense but largely in the case of more homogeneous nations. However splitting hairs isn't good in my opinion. For example having 5-6 different Balkan Turk averages or something like that is completely unnecessary. Especially if they're based on 2-3 samples each.
I agree with this. I do agree that if there are historical reasons for certain regions of a given nation were more isolated from the rest of the other regions, then their result shouldn't be included into the national average. As an example, I didn't include Eastern Hungarian (Transylvanian, Székely, Csángó) samples into the Hungarian aggregate, since they lived more isolated from other Hungarian regions of the Carpathian Basin, and they do have slight different results compared to other Hungarian regions, which historically went through internal migration, and have mixed more with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Here you go, only unmixed ethnic Romanians/Moldovans (422 samples):Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Left = North Atlantic (Northwestern) shift
Right = no idea
Up = Baltic (Northeastern) shift
Down = Med (Southern) shift
https://i.imgur.com/iFiZKeZ.png?1
+ minorities, but without Jews and Roma, because then the rest will be too close together to understand the graphQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://i.imgur.com/tTzmrC1.png
Same PCA, but limited to the region of MoldaviaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
https://i.imgur.com/s4ceEIN.png
Top 50 distances, all family + other users from Moldova - Zmey Gorynych, Daos and his dad
https://i.imgur.com/cw4Hq0V.png
https://i.imgur.com/xyWttsL.png
https://i.imgur.com/W9DRFb4.png
Dad is the only reference for Orhei, hence the distance of 0
https://i.imgur.com/m0YUe15.png
https://i.imgur.com/VGX86ms.png
https://i.imgur.com/McoIRRG.png
https://i.imgur.com/T8zarE2.png
Jó estét kívánok, it looks like I should work at the Hungarian embassy in Moldova.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Distance to: Ion_Basescul_23andme+LivingDNA 3.22308858 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 4.91383760 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler 5.67508590 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian
Distance to: Ion_Basescul_brother_MyHeritage 7.37862453 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 7.74595378 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian 8.96302404 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
Distance to: Ion_Basescul_mother_MyHeritage 7.81368671 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian 8.70105741 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 10.02184115 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
Distance to: Ion_Basescul_father_MyHeritage 5.91799797 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian 6.04860314 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 7.17375076 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
Distance to: Zmey_Gorynych_1/2Telenesti_1/2Ialoveni 7.51664154 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian 7.89787313 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 9.06112024 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
Distance to: Daos_3/4Slavic_1/4Drochia 9.03240832 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian 11.70947907 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 12.20018033 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
Distance to: Daos_dad_1/2Slavic_1/2Drochia 10.01790896 Romania_Transylvania_Hungarian 12.43022124 Romania_Moldavia_Csango 13.32729905 Romania_Transylvania_Szekler
AhahahhaahhahhaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
The last name is literally "Moldovan" (Christine Moldovan)
Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
Kit RA4927426
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.03
2 North_Atlantic 24.67
3 East_Med 17.48
4 West_Med 16.77
5 West_Asian 7.82
6 South_Asian 2.06
7 Oceanian 1.57
8 Amerindian 1.5
9 Siberian 1.16
10 Red_Sea 1.08
11 Sub-Saharan 0.36
12 East_Asian 0.31
13 Northeast_African 0.21
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 4.09
2 Serbian 4.82
3 Bulgarian 5.77
4 Moldavian 10.06
5 Hungarian 11.71
6 Croatian 12.53
7 Greek_Thessaly 12.81
8 Austrian 14.56
9 North_Italian 15.9
10 East_German 16.21
11 Tuscan 16.64
12 West_German 18.12
13 French 18.56
14 Italian_Abruzzo 18.91
15 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.91
16 South_Polish 19.51
17 South_Dutch 19.74
18 Portuguese 19.82
19 West_Sicilian 19.91
20 Central_Greek 19.94
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.84
2 50.2% West_Sicilian + 49.8% Ukrainian @ 2.87
3 60.1% West_Sicilian + 39.9% Estonian @ 3.04
4 70.1% Greek_Thessaly + 29.9% Finnish @ 3.2
5 61.9% Croatian + 38.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.2
6 51.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 48.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.22
7 70.5% Greek_Thessaly + 29.5% Estonian @ 3.24
8 52.4% Hungarian + 47.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.27
9 50.5% South_Polish + 49.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.27
10 56.4% West_Sicilian + 43.6% Estonian_Polish @ 3.31
11 60.9% West_Sicilian + 39.1% Lithuanian @ 3.32
12 55.5% South_Italian + 44.5% Estonian @ 3.34
13 53.8% West_Sicilian + 46.2% Polish @ 3.37
14 58.6% Tuscan + 41.4% Southwest_Russian @ 3.41
15 70.4% Croatian + 29.6% Italian_Jewish @ 3.43
16 63.4% Tuscan + 36.6% Erzya @ 3.44
17 54% West_Sicilian + 46% Southwest_Russian @ 3.45
18 56% West_Sicilian + 44% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.48
19 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% South_Polish @ 3.49
20 67.5% Moldavian + 32.5% West_Sicilian @ 3.5
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 16.78
2 North_Sea 16.65
3 East_Med 13.91
4 Baltic 13.17
5 West_Med 12.85
6 Eastern_Euro 12.23
7 West_Asian 7.76
8 South_Asian 1.6
9 Oceanian 1.45
10 Red_Sea 1.2
11 Amerindian 1.14
12 Siberian 0.45
13 Southeast_Asian 0.4
14 Sub-Saharan 0.25
15 Northeast_African 0.17
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.31
2 Romanian 5.29
3 Bulgarian 6.91
4 Moldavian 10.07
5 Austrian 10.71
6 Hungarian 11.24
7 Croatian 11.49
8 Greek_Thessaly 12.4
9 Greek 13.17
10 North_Italian 13.8
11 Tuscan 14.27
12 East_German 14.6
13 French 16.16
14 Italian_Abruzzo 16.63
15 Spanish_Galicia 16.86
16 Portuguese 16.99
17 South_Dutch 17.11
18 Spanish_Cataluna 17.39
19 West_German 17.54
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.64
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.6% Serbian + 13.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.37
2 82.7% Serbian + 17.3% Greek @ 3.38
3 62.1% Greek + 37.9% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.38
4 62.2% Tuscan + 37.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.39
5 90.8% Serbian + 9.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.42
6 90.8% Serbian + 9.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.5
7 89.6% Serbian + 10.4% South_Italian @ 3.53
8 91.4% Serbian + 8.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.58
9 88.1% Serbian + 11.9% Central_Greek @ 3.58
10 83.3% Serbian + 16.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.59
11 92.6% Serbian + 7.4% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.6
12 88.8% Serbian + 11.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.61
13 85.5% Serbian + 14.5% Tuscan @ 3.61
14 88.2% Serbian + 11.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.62
15 87.5% Serbian + 12.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.62
16 64.4% Tuscan + 35.6% Erzya @ 3.63
17 93.2% Serbian + 6.8% Cyprian @ 3.63
18 92.9% Serbian + 7.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.64
19 94.3% Serbian + 5.7% Sardinian @ 3.69
20 97.8% Serbian + 2.2% NAN_Melanesian @ 3.7
If the last name is Moldovan, then it's very likely that she's not from the region of Moldavia. Probably Transylvania, but I'll have to ask to be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Interesting, nice work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Some comments to the PCA:
1. It's interesting how RM occupies a larger space than Romania, probably because of the recent East Slavic admixture.
2. Botosani, Suceava and Tulcea get into the RM area for obvious reasons, though I did expect Vaslui to be there as well.
3. Timis is close to Bucharest - this one is wild, although we knew that Banat is pretty dark - it's not that surprising considering that it was populated with Olteni and Serbs in the 18th century.
4. you can rotate the PCA 45 degrees clockwise so that we can align the cardinal directions better.
First results from Telenesti (Republic of Moldova) and I got two of them at once. Nice
https://i.imgur.com/9DOx1Ch.jpg
I think this one is almost identical to mine.
North_Atlantic 25.38 Pct Baltic 29.74 Pct West_Med 14.85 Pct West_Asian 10.34 Pct East_Med 12.30 Pct Red_Sea 2.85 Pct South_Asian 1.14 Pct East_Asian 0.60 Pct Siberian 1.35 Pct Amerindian 0.91 Pct Oceanian 0.45 Pct Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.10 Pct
North_Atlantic 23.95 Pct Baltic 32.71 Pct West_Med 13.95 Pct West_Asian 12.72 Pct East_Med 11.65 Pct Red_Sea 1.60 Pct South_Asian 0.21 Pct East_Asian 0.25 Pct Siberian 2.85 Pct Amerindian - Oceanian - Northeast_African - Sub-Saharan 0.10 Pct
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.74
2 North_Atlantic 25.38
3 West_Med 14.85
4 East_Med 12.3
5 West_Asian 10.34
6 Red_Sea 2.85
7 Siberian 1.35
8 South_Asian 1.14
9 Amerindian 0.91
10 East_Asian 0.6
11 Oceanian 0.45
12 Sub-Saharan 0.1
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.09
2 Serbian 4.3
3 Croatian 6.9
4 Romanian 7.25
5 Hungarian 7.53
6 Bulgarian 9.58
7 Austrian 11.36
8 East_German 12.5
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.02
10 South_Polish 13.97
11 Ukrainian 14.57
12 West_German 17.42
13 Polish 17.46
14 Southwest_Russian 17.79
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.93
16 Greek_Thessaly 18.09
17 South_Dutch 18.9
18 Russian_Smolensk 19.51
19 French 19.61
20 Tatar 19.9
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 35.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.12
2 51.5% Moldavian + 48.5% Serbian @ 1.67
3 86.6% Moldavian + 13.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.74
4 64.7% Romanian + 35.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 1.75
5 65.7% Moldavian + 34.3% Romanian @ 1.84
6 85.8% Moldavian + 14.2% Tuscan @ 1.85
7 87.7% Moldavian + 12.3% West_Sicilian @ 2
8 62.3% Ukrainian + 37.7% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.02
9 69.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.6% South_Italian @ 2.02
10 90.7% Moldavian + 9.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.06
11 78.4% Croatian + 21.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.12
12 66.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 33.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.2
13 89.5% Moldavian + 10.5% South_Italian @ 2.22
14 51.4% Croatian + 48.6% Romanian @ 2.23
15 91% Moldavian + 9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.24
16 88.4% Moldavian + 11.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.24
17 85.7% Moldavian + 14.3% North_Italian @ 2.25
18 65.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 34.1% Central_Greek @ 2.25
19 71.6% Romanian + 28.4% Polish @ 2.27
20 91.7% Moldavian + 8.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.28
Distance to: Moldova_Telenesti_1 4.30571713 Moldova_North 4.31678121 Moldova_Centre 9.15156817 Moldova_South 10.29519305 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk 12.94660959 Moldova_Bulgarian 13.42686114 Moldova_South_Gagauz 14.82542411 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.87218881 Moldova_Ukrainian 16.54844101 Ukrainian 22.13887531 Russian_Smolensk 25.87772594 Crimean_Tatar 27.24859079 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 29.47454718 Russian_Pinega 33.24506881 Moldova_Jewish 34.66162864 Moldova_Roma
Target: Moldova_Telenesti_1
Distance: 1.6154% / 1.61536037 | ADC: 0.25x
77.6 Moldova_North
20.4 Moldova_Bulgarian
1.6 Crimean_Tatar
0.4 Moldova_Roma
-Bulgarian
Target: Moldova_Telenesti_1
Distance: 2.2084% / 2.20839460 | ADC: 0.25x
75.0 Moldova_North
21.0 Moldova_South
2.2 Moldova_Roma
1.8 Crimean_Tatar
-Moldova_South, Gagauz
Target: Moldova_Telenesti_1
Distance: 2.5055% / 2.50553275 | ADC: 0.25x
59.0 Moldova_North
37.2 Moldova_Centre
2.6 Moldova_Roma
1.2 Crimean_Tatar
Distance to: Moldova_Telenesti_1 2.21522008 Moldova_Straseni 2.22409532 Moldova_Calarasi 3.50257048 Moldova_Balti 4.20316547 Moldova_Orhei 4.44967415 Moldova_Ocnita 4.63688473 Moldova_Chisinau 4.83390112 Moldova_Ialoveni 4.88221261 Moldova_Eurogenes 5.25709045 Moldova_Nisporeni 5.45809491 Moldova_Briceni 6.13617959 Moldova_Transnistria 6.24622286 Moldova_Edinet 6.30446667 Moldova_Cimislia 6.57488403 Moldova_Ungheni 6.90773480 Moldova_Soldanesti 7.03299367 Moldova_Glodeni 7.18874120 Moldova_Falesti 7.32117477 Moldova_Causeni 7.67328482 Moldova_Rezina 7.77305603 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic 8.38401455 Moldova_Hincesti 8.91208169 Moldova_Cahul 9.69128474 Moldova_Floresti 10.61748087 Moldova_StefanVoda 12.81860367 Moldova_Cantemir
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.71
2 North_Atlantic 23.95
3 West_Med 13.95
4 West_Asian 12.72
5 East_Med 11.65
6 Siberian 2.85
7 Red_Sea 1.6
8 East_Asian 0.25
9 South_Asian 0.21
10 Sub-Saharan 0.1
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 3.79
2 Croatian 6.8
3 Serbian 7.66
4 Hungarian 9.11
5 Romanian 9.88
6 Bulgarian 11.62
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.63
8 South_Polish 12.81
9 Ukrainian 13.06
10 Austrian 13.33
11 East_German 14.01
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.63
13 Southwest_Russian 15.64
14 Polish 16.23
15 Tatar 17.62
16 Russian_Smolensk 17.77
17 Estonian_Polish 18.52
18 Kargopol_Russian 19.13
19 Belorussian 19.16
20 West_German 20.03
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.3% Moldavian + 6.7% North_Ossetian @ 2.5
2 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Kabardin @ 2.54
3 92.9% Moldavian + 7.1% Lezgin @ 2.56
4 93.1% Moldavian + 6.9% Balkar @ 2.56
5 93.3% Moldavian + 6.7% Adygei @ 2.57
6 93.8% Moldavian + 6.2% Ossetian @ 2.61
7 92.8% Moldavian + 7.2% Kumyk @ 2.63
8 93% Moldavian + 7% Chechen @ 2.63
9 94.7% Moldavian + 5.3% Abhkasian @ 2.65
10 94.5% Moldavian + 5.5% Georgian @ 2.66
11 93% Moldavian + 7% Tabassaran @ 2.67
12 92.2% Moldavian + 7.8% Nogay @ 2.7
13 85.9% Croatian + 14.1% Balkar @ 2.73
14 85.4% Croatian + 14.6% Kabardin @ 2.83
15 86.6% Croatian + 13.4% North_Ossetian @ 2.86
16 94.6% Moldavian + 5.4% Kurdish @ 2.88
17 85.1% Croatian + 14.9% Kumyk @ 2.89
18 94.1% Moldavian + 5.9% Azeri @ 2.91
19 93.9% Moldavian + 6.1% Turkmen @ 2.92
20 67.9% Romanian + 32.1% Erzya @ 2.92
Distance to: Moldova_Telenesti_2 4.75013684 Moldova_North 5.96199631 Moldova_Centre 9.73719672 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk 11.46577516 Moldova_South 13.16738395 Moldova_Ukrainian 13.25086412 Ukrainian_Lviv 14.87951276 Ukrainian 15.25623807 Moldova_South_Gagauz 15.76581428 Moldova_Bulgarian 20.19238966 Russian_Smolensk 25.16624525 Crimean_Tatar 26.04159557 Romania_Dobruja-Tatar 27.05657464 Russian_Pinega 35.53284396 Moldova_Jewish 36.27924062 Moldova_Roma
Target: Moldova_Telenesti_2
Distance: 3.3945% / 3.39449557 | ADC: 0.25x
55.2 Moldova_North
31.0 Moldova_Centre
7.4 Crimean_Tatar
3.6 Ukrainian_Lviv
2.8 Russian_Smolensk
Distance to: Moldova_Telenesti_2 3.49911417 Moldova_Orhei 3.57187626 Moldova_Edinet 3.70645383 Moldova_Briceni 4.14342853 Moldova_Glodeni 4.76959118 Moldova_Straseni 5.18644387 Moldova_Balti 5.45477772 Moldova_Ialoveni 5.70429663 Moldova_Eurogenes 5.79113115 Moldova_Calarasi 6.29007154 Moldova_1/2Moldovan_1/2EastSlavic 6.39179943 Moldova_Chisinau 6.55312139 Moldova_Ocnita 6.61752975 Moldova_Cimislia 6.76582589 Moldova_Soldanesti 6.79693313 Moldova_Transnistria 7.85607408 Moldova_Rezina 7.94930815 Moldova_Ungheni 7.96523697 Moldova_Nisporeni 8.19826811 Moldova_Falesti 8.78633029 Moldova_Floresti 9.71236840 Moldova_Hincesti 10.20917235 Moldova_Causeni 11.85353956 Moldova_Cahul 12.68830564 Moldova_StefanVoda 13.16738395 Moldova_Ukrainian
This one is very northern, I don't see Greek Thessaly in his Oracle. Zmey, half of his ancestry is from Teleneşti too, and he is northern too for Central region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Kind of, but if I am used as a baseline for the Central region then Zmey pulls more towards the Centre, probably because he is only half from Telenesti. Zmey's Southern ancestry is higher than mine for example and so is his Northern, whereas I pull East towards the horses and archers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Compared to the samples from Telenesti, he is a bit more Med-ish than them, finds himself between them for Northern ancestry and scores less East Asian/Siberian.
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F. Name West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea Total Med + W.Asian Zmey 14.38 9.99 13.86 3.05 41.28 </google-sheets-html-origin></google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Ion 15.04 9.99 12.91 1.53 39.47 </google-sheets-html-origin>
Telenesti_1 14.85 10.34 12.30 2.85 40.34 Telenesti_2 13.95 12.72 11.65 1.60 39.92
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F. Name N_Atlantic Baltic Total N_Atlantic+Baltic Zmey 22.18 33.94 56.12 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Ion 25.42 29.37 54.79 </google-sheets-html-origin>
Telenesti_1 25.38 29.74 55.12 Telenesti_2 23.95 32.71 56.66
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F. Name East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Total E_Asian+Siberian Zmey 1.21 0 0.91 2.12 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Ion 1.84 2.84 0 4.68 </google-sheets-html-origin>
Telenesti_1 0.60 1.35 0.91 2.86 Telenesti_2 0.25 2.85 0 3.10
The most Northern sample that we have is from the Central region btw. This person was born in Rezina, but with parents originally from the neighbouring Ribnita region in Transnistria (Plopi and Vasilievca).
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 34.84
2 North_Atlantic 28.97
3 West_Med 12.39
4 East_Med 12.05
5 West_Asian 7.67
6 Siberian 1.37
7 Red_Sea 0.73
8 Northeast_African 0.71
9 Oceanian 0.51
10 South_Asian 0.44
11 Sub-Saharan 0.34
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 3.92
2 Hungarian 4.59
3 Moldavian 5.48
4 South_Polish 8.43
5 Serbian 8.49
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.8
7 Austrian 9.4
8 East_German 9.5
9 Ukrainian 9.75
10 Polish 12.27
11 Romanian 12.53
12 Southwest_Russian 12.96
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.41
14 Russian_Smolensk 14.55
15 Bulgarian 14.81
16 Estonian_Polish 15.01
17 Belorussian 15.28
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.56
19 West_German 16.96
20 Kargopol_Russian 17.23
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.6% South_Polish + 17.4% Italian_Jewish @ 1.57
2 82.7% South_Polish + 17.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 1.69
3 69.4% Serbian + 30.6% Estonian @ 1.83
4 78% South_Polish + 22% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.83
5 78.8% South_Polish + 21.2% West_Sicilian @ 1.84
6 50.2% South_Polish + 49.8% Serbian @ 1.86
7 79.7% South_Polish + 20.3% Ashkenazi @ 1.89
8 80.8% South_Polish + 19.2% South_Italian @ 1.92
9 83.9% South_Polish + 16.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 1.93
10 64.7% Serbian + 35.3% Belorussian @ 1.95
11 79.4% South_Polish + 20.6% East_Sicilian @ 2.02
12 82.9% South_Polish + 17.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.03
13 60.2% South_Polish + 39.8% Romanian @ 2.03
14 60.3% Romanian + 39.7% Estonian @ 2.09
15 84% South_Polish + 16% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.09
16 78.8% South_Polish + 21.2% Central_Greek @ 2.14
17 70.8% Serbian + 29.2% Lithuanian @ 2.2
18 74.2% South_Polish + 25.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.21
19 60.9% Estonian + 39.1% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.23
20 64.5% Serbian + 35.5% Estonian_Polish @ 2.31
Well, you are 1/4 Ukrainian, this is the reason why your Southern ancestry is lower than him, he is not. Plus you have very unique background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
The person from Rezina clearly have recent Slavic admixture, with such high North Atlantic, his origins confirm that.
I suspect that too, but I will leave the sample for now, until I get something better from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Actually, I've also found yesterday that her 1/2 Vasilievca side is not even from there. Her mom (I don't have her maiden surname) lived there, but she was born in Шершенці. And according to Wikipedia, it is 96% Ukrainian.
How about these two from Telenești, do you know something about their background?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
If we assume that she's mixed then these are the next top 5 Northern-most samples. I am also including those who are half unmixed from the North and half Slavic, because this way it's easier to see where the upper and lower admixture boundaries could be in unmixed people from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
It seems like lower 60s% for the sum of N_Atlantic+Baltic is the most that someone of unmixed heritage should expect to score. The sum of Med and West Asian components starts at about 33%.
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F. Name West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea Total Med+W.Asian Ocnita 14.65 5.86 12.83 0 33.34 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Tiraspol 13.51 8.62 9.41 1.69 33.23 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Balti_1 14.36 5.12 13.53 2.10 35.85 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Floresti 9.74 8.78 16.00 1.82 34.52 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Balti_2 15.49 6.59 13.52 1.22 36.82 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
1/2Drochia_1/2Polish 12.60 7.73 8.94 2.67 31.94 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Balti_10/16Ukrainian 11.95 9.09 9.72 2.43 33.19 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
2/4Riscani_Ukr._1/4Poltava_Ukr. 13.68 10.09 7.49 0.57 31.83 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
1/2Ribnita_1/2Ukrainian 14.39 5.74 9.35 2.31 31.79 </google-sheets-html-origin>
1_2Balti_1/2Russian 11.97 10.18 6.87 1.90 30.92
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F. Name N_Atlantic Baltic Total N_Atlantic+Baltic Ocnita 27.82 33.86 61.68 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Tiraspol 28.21 33.01 61.22 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Balti_1 28.97 31.72 60.69 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Floresti 24.07 36.26 60.33 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Balti_2 28.04 32.24 60.28 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
1/2Drochia_1/2Polish 22.11 39.39 61.50 Balti_10/16Ukrainian 27.18 36.15 63.33 </google-sheets-html-origin>
2/4Riscani_Ukr._1/4Poltava_Ukr. 25.50 39.14 64.64 1/2Ribnita_1/2Ukrainian 26.60 36.87 63.47 1_2Balti_1/2Russian 24.71 38.41 63.12
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F. Name East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Total E_Asian+Siberian Ocnita 1.14 0.51 1.49 3.14 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Tiraspol 0 2.33 0 2.33 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Balti_1 1.39 1.35 0 2.74 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Floresti 2.47 0.19 0.54 3.20 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Balti_2 0 2.23 0.42 2.65 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
1/2Drochia_1/2Polish 0.58 0.76 1.18 2.52 </google-sheets-html-origin><google-sheets-html-origin style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: medium;">
Balti_10/16Ukrainian 0 2.06 0 2.06 </google-sheets-html-origin>
2/4Riscani_Ukr._1/4Poltava_Ukr. 0.75 1.75 0 2.50 1/2Ribnita_1/2Ukrainian 0.60 1.58 0 2.18 1_2Balti_1/2Russian 0.25 4.56 0.14 4.95
Not much else apart from them having parents from there. Telenesti_2 is my DNA relative and Telenesti_1 is their relative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Can you share the full results? Both K13 and Dodecad (do me a fucking favor;))Quote:
1_2Balti_1/2Russian
Here you go:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 38.41
2 North_Atlantic 24.71
3 West_Med 11.97
4 West_Asian 10.18
5 East_Med 6.87
6 Siberian 4.56
7 Red_Sea 1.9
8 Oceanian 0.49
9 Sub-Saharan 0.31
10 East_Asian 0.25
11 Amerindian 0.14
12 South_Asian 0.11
13 Northeast_African 0.11
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Lviv 6
2 Croatian 6.57
3 Moldavian 6.95
4 Ukrainian 7.5
5 South_Polish 8.01
6 Southwest_Russian 9.54
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 9.77
8 Hungarian 10.47
9 Polish 10.53
10 Russian_Smolensk 11.57
11 Kargopol_Russian 12.11
12 Estonian_Polish 12.27
13 Belorussian 13.07
14 Erzya 13.51
15 Serbian 13.61
16 East_German 13.82
17 Austrian 14.47
18 Tatar 14.91
19 Southwest_Finnish 16.12
20 Finnish 16.26
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 13.2% Nogay @ 2.7
2 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Chuvash @ 2.74
3 67.6% Moldavian + 32.4% Erzya @ 2.91
4 50.2% Erzya + 49.8% Serbian @ 3
5 65.2% Moldavian + 34.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3
6 88.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 11.7% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.05
7 69.3% Erzya + 30.7% North_Italian @ 3.21
8 58.5% Kargopol_Russian + 41.5% Romanian @ 3.22
9 83.8% Ukrainian + 16.2% Nogay @ 3.23
10 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% Mari @ 3.24
11 74% Kargopol_Russian + 26% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.35
12 72.8% Moldavian + 27.2% East_Finnish @ 3.35
13 89.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 10.5% Balkar @ 3.36
14 72.1% Croatian + 27.9% Tatar @ 3.39
15 89.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 10.8% Kabardin @ 3.43
16 61.1% Kargopol_Russian + 38.9% Bulgarian @ 3.44
17 53.1% Kargopol_Russian + 46.9% Serbian @ 3.45
18 89.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 10.4% Turkmen @ 3.47
19 90.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 9.9% North_Ossetian @ 3.52
20 90.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 9.5% Ossetian @ 3.56
# Population Percent
1 North_European 48.17
2 Atlantic_Med 23.07
3 Caucasus 14.84
4 Gedrosia 6.14
5 Siberian 3.44
6 Southwest_Asian 3.41
7 East_Asian 0.93
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 5.26
2 German (Dodecad) 11.13
3 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 15.59
4 Polish (Dodecad) 15.6
5 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 16.96
6 Romanians (Behar) 17.27
7 Swedish (Dodecad) 17.63
8 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 17.75
9 Dutch (Dodecad) 18.48
10 Mordovians (Yunusbayev) 18.94
11 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 18.98
12 Norwegian (Dodecad) 19.32
13 Russian (Dodecad) 19.46
14 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 19.47
15 Russian_B (Behar) 20.23
16 Russian (HGDP) 20.34
17 Belorussian (Behar) 20.4
18 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 21.18
19 English (Dodecad) 21.4
20 Kent (1000Genomes) 21.48
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 39.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.31
2 83.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 16.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 2.31
3 63% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 37% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 2.5
4 59.1% Russian (HGDP) + 40.9% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.87
5 51% FIN30 (1000Genomes) + 49% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.14
6 94.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.5% Selkup (Rasmussen) @ 3.2
7 94.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.1% Ket (Rasmussen) @ 3.32
8 50.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 49.5% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.4
9 64.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 35.2% Baleares (1000Genomes) @ 3.45
10 61.4% Russian (HGDP) + 38.6% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 3.5
11 62.1% Russian (HGDP) + 37.9% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.61
12 94.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.4% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 3.67
13 95.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.6% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 3.75
14 96% Hungarians (Behar) + 4% Dolgan (Rasmussen) @ 3.77
15 67.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 32.1% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 3.78
16 96.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.5% Evenk (Rasmussen) @ 3.79
17 96.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.7% Yakut (HGDP) @ 3.79
18 96.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.6% Yukagir (Rasmussen) @ 3.83
19 92.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.3% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 3.85
20 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Nganassan (Rasmussen) @ 3.88
Thanks. That's quite a bit of Mongoloid - over 4%. Anything is know about his Russian ancestry? It must have come over there from afar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Dodecad:
MoldoRus,6.14,3.44,0,0,23.07,48.17,0,0,3.41,0.93,1 4.84,0
Distance to: MoldoRus
5.40399852 Slovak
5.44716440 Hungarians
7.22284570 Slovenian
7.93039091 PL_GreaterPoland
8.08119422 Ukrainian
8.33279665 Croat
8.72328493 Bosnian
8.74047482 Sorb_Lusatia
9.20004348 R.Moldova_Centre+North
9.77199059 Rus_Smolensk
Target: MoldoRus
Distance: 2.2792% / 2.27917142 | ADC: 0.5x
49.8 Hungarians
30.6 Slovak
17.4 Tatar_Kazan
2.2 Ukrainian
Target: MoldoRus
Distance: 1.1048% / 1.10478350 | ADC: 0.25x
41.0 Hungarians
40.2 Slovak
8.4 Chuvash
6.8 Tatar_Kazan
3.2 Tabasaran
0.4 Saudis
Eurogenes:
MoldoRus,24.71,38.41,11.97,10.18,6.87,1.9,0.11,0.2 5,4.56,0.14,0.49,0.11,0.31
Distance to: MoldoRus
6.54372982 Ukrainian_Lviv
7.67348031 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
7.70332396 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.27863515 Moldova_North
8.29172479 Ukrainian
8.61499700 Slovak
8.64037615 Croat_Slavonia
8.89130474 South_Polish
9.48371235 Hungarian_Northern
9.62331977 Croat
Target: MoldoRus
Distance: 2.6451% / 2.64513217 | ADC: 0.5x
54.4 Ukrainian_Lviv
28.6 Moldova_North
16.6 Tatar
0.4 Bulgarian_Ruse
Target: MoldoRus
Distance: 2.0073% / 2.00729304 | ADC: 0.25x
59.4 Ukrainian_Lviv
18.0 Tatar
9.6 Bulgarian_Ruse
8.0 Moldova_North
4.2 Croat_Slavonia
0.8 North_Ossetian
Nope, I suppose it's just Northern Russian. The neighbourhood that I grew up in received mostly migrants from Saint Petersburg in Soviet times and there quite a couple of Siberian/East Asian hints in faces. His admixture could be related or from somewhere else in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Um, if you mean Leningrad oblast, they are Northwest Russians (long-time residents). That type of Russians actually look whiter than average, blonder and more Finnish-like. Don't know why they would migrate to Moldova from the second-largest city of Russia. Sure neighboring Ukrainians would look more similar to Moldovans than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
From Vrancea (Romania's Moldavia)
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 27.43
2 North_Atlantic 24.37
3 West_Med 14.81
4 East_Med 14.49
5 West_Asian 10.05
6 Red_Sea 3.2
7 South_Asian 2.96
8 Siberian 0.96
9 Amerindian 0.79
10 Oceanian 0.51
11 East_Asian 0.37
12 Sub-Saharan 0.06
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 3.82
2 Romanian 5.21
3 Moldavian 6.82
4 Bulgarian 7.47
5 Hungarian 9.64
6 Croatian 9.66
7 Austrian 13.07
8 East_German 14.51
9 Greek_Thessaly 15.41
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.77
11 South_Polish 16.67
12 Ukrainian 17.28
13 West_German 18.07
14 North_Italian 18.94
15 French 19.51
16 South_Dutch 19.61
17 Tuscan 19.84
18 Polish 20.16
19 Southwest_Russian 20.29
20 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.47
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.8% Serbian + 7.2% MA-1 @ 1.76
2 95% Serbian + 5% Kshatriya @ 2.12
3 93.9% Serbian + 6.1% Pathan @ 2.13
4 95% Serbian + 5% Gujarati @ 2.15
5 94.7% Serbian + 5.3% Brahmin_UP @ 2.16
6 94% Serbian + 6% Burusho @ 2.17
7 95.5% Serbian + 4.5% Kanjar @ 2.17
8 94.1% Serbian + 5.9% Punjabi_Jat @ 2.18
9 95.4% Serbian + 4.6% Dharkar @ 2.19
10 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% North_Kannadi @ 2.2
11 95.1% Serbian + 4.9% Bangladeshi @ 2.21
12 57.6% Ukrainian_Lviv + 42.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.24
13 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Dusadh @ 2.25
14 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Velamas @ 2.25
15 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Kurumba @ 2.25
16 95.6% Serbian + 4.4% Uttar_Pradesh @ 2.26
17 95.8% Serbian + 4.2% Kol @ 2.26
18 96% Serbian + 4% Piramalai @ 2.26
19 96.1% Serbian + 3.9% Chamar @ 2.28
20 94.8% Serbian + 5.2% Sindhi @ 2.3
Distance to: Vrancea_ind 3.72687537 Romania_Moldova_Nord 4.23566996 Romania_Moldova_Csango 4.26357831 Romania_Moldova_Sud 4.77035638 Romania_Maramures 5.06848103 Romania_Crisana 5.20433473 Romania_Transilvania 5.78822154 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely 5.81740203 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian 5.85281983 Romania_Oltenia 6.54508976 Romania_Banat 6.89567981 Romania_Muntenia 7.19720779 Romania_Dobrogea 8.54732122 Bulgarian 11.56619644 Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander 11.63663182 Aromanian_North-Macedonia 12.86839928 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk 16.90102955 Aromanian_Central-Macedonia 17.98864364 Ukrainian_Lviv 25.34448263 Crimean_Tatar 27.50770801 Romania_Dobruja_Tatar 30.37712462 Romania_Jewish 31.46442753 Romania_Roma
Target: Vrancea_ind
Distance: 2.0924% / 2.09235315 | ADC: 0.25x
86.8 Romania_Moldova_Nord
7.4 Romania_Roma
4.4 Aromanian_North-Macedonia
1.4 Ukrainian_Lviv
-Aromanians
Target: Vrancea_ind
Distance: 2.1783% / 2.17834066 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Romania_Moldova_Nord
7.8 Romania_Roma
3.2 Romania_Crisana
3.0 Romania_Moldova_Sud
The Vrancea reference has only 1 individual, so it's far from being representative.
Distance to: Vrancea_ind 3.11139840 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi 3.41087965 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt 4.15202360 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui 4.31478852 Romania_Moldavia_Botosani 4.44364715 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau 5.24716114 Romania_Moldavia_Suceava 5.57403803 Romania_Moldavia_Vrancea 6.12188696 Romania_Moldavia_Galati
Yep, blonder, whiter than average, but with Mong features. Obviously only a fraction of them were like that, but it was obvious compared to the general population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
You think 5-10% East Eurasia can be phenotypically noticeable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
If is Turkic, most likely, if is Finno-Ugric, not very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Strange logic. Those are linguistic terms. In us it (East Eurasian) is not "Turkic" most of the time (unless recent ancestry from the last 100 years or so) but it's noticeable sometimes, though without both photos and DNA results it's a rather pointless discussion. Chris also thought he should be Asian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
At almost 3% South Asian would you categorize him/her as part Roma and put him/her in a "just a bit of diversity" bin ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You'd need HarappaWorld or Dodecad for that. K13's SA is a more mixed component.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Can we not, I know you are insecure, but let's leave this discussion. It will manifest in some, but probably not in most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto