Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

An adoptee from Russia (registered on TA as Lorca). There was a thread about him back in 2018, now the guy has resurfaced. Presumably he is Azerbaijani with a Russian grandparent.

Gedrosia 16.73 Pct
Siberian 3.71 Pct
Northwest_African 1.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.98 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.17 Pct
North_European 21.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.13 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 32.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lorca
2.39197121 36.80% Tatar_Mishar + 63.20% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.41365764 72.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.00% Russian_Ryazan
2.43328452 67.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 32.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.48835058 72.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 27.80% Russian_Oryol
2.52360687 73.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 26.60% PL_Warmia-Masuria
2.56512297 76.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 23.80% Finnish_West
2.57503904 71.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 29.00% Ukrainian
2.58777279 72.20% Azerbaijani_Iran + 27.80% Polish_mixed
2.61612249 71.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.20% Ukrainian
2.62416372 71.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 28.40% Russian_Oryol

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Originally Posted by Leto

An adoptee from Russia (registered on TA as Lorca). There was a thread about him back in 2018, now the guy has resurfaced. Presumably he is Azerbaijani with a Russian grandparent.

Gedrosia 16.73 Pct
Siberian 3.71 Pct
Northwest_African 1.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.98 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.17 Pct
North_European 21.63 Pct
South_Asian 1.13 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.38 Pct
East_Asian 0.99 Pct
Caucasus 32.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Lorca
2.39197121 36.80% Tatar_Mishar + 63.20% Udi_Azerbaijan
2.41365764 72.00% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.00% Russian_Ryazan
2.43328452 67.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 32.40% Ukrainian_Ivano-Frankivsk
2.48835058 72.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 27.80% Russian_Oryol
2.52360687 73.40% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 26.60% PL_Warmia-Masuria
2.56512297 76.20% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 23.80% Finnish_West
2.57503904 71.00% Azerbaijani_Iran + 29.00% Ukrainian
2.58777279 72.20% Azerbaijani_Iran + 27.80% Polish_mixed
2.61612249 71.80% Azerbaijani_Turkey + 28.20% Ukrainian
2.62416372 71.60% Azerbaijani_Iran + 28.40% Russian_Oryol

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This would be a very typical mix in Azerbaijan (Republic), especially in the capital region. The number of people I personally know who have either one of their parents or grand parents be Russian is quite high. Not that many people test though.
Recently I was surprised to find out that the guy who I went to school with and hang around had a Russian grandma ))

Azerbaijani from Baku:

Gedrosian: 21.94
Siberian: 1.86
Northwest_African: 0.08
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 8.19
South_Asian: 1.48
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.23
East_Asian: 2.98
Caucasian: 42.17
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Baku
3.52292492 Zaza
3.83135746 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.88515122 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.58048032 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.60785199 Azerbaijani
5.00198960 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.40592268 Kurd_Adygea
5.41779475 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.28347038 Turk_East
6.54091737 Turk_Southeast
6.71045453 Yazidi
6.73643081 Iraq_Turkmen
6.78375265 Kurd_Sorani
8.35192792 Turk_Central_East
8.55983061 Iranian
8.79776108 Lur_Iran
9.34202869 Iran_Central
10.01230243 Turk_South
10.11734155 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.32124992 Armenian_East
10.69512038 Azeri_Jew
11.03450497 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.03494449 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.17450670 Turk_Central_West
11.17600555 Iranian_Fars

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.0364% / 1.03641116 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.1 Zaza
13.8 Kumyks
11.7 Azeri_Jew
9.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
1.7 Japanese
1.4 Kuwait2

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Azerbaijani from Baku:

Gedrosian: 21.94
Siberian: 1.86
Northwest_African: 0.08
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.08
North_European: 8.19
South_Asian: 1.48
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.23
East_Asian: 2.98
Caucasian: 42.17
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Baku
3.52292492 Zaza
3.83135746 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.88515122 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.58048032 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.60785199 Azerbaijani
5.00198960 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.40592268 Kurd_Adygea
5.41779475 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.28347038 Turk_East
6.54091737 Turk_Southeast
6.71045453 Yazidi
6.73643081 Iraq_Turkmen
6.78375265 Kurd_Sorani
8.35192792 Turk_Central_East
8.55983061 Iranian
8.79776108 Lur_Iran
9.34202869 Iran_Central
10.01230243 Turk_South
10.11734155 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.32124992 Armenian_East
10.69512038 Azeri_Jew
11.03450497 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.03494449 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.17450670 Turk_Central_West
11.17600555 Iranian_Fars

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.0364% / 1.03641116 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.1 Zaza
13.8 Kumyks
11.7 Azeri_Jew
9.3 Azerbaijani_Turkey
1.7 Japanese
1.4 Kuwait2

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

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More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.

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Lower Gedrosia and higher eurasian indicate turkic admixture.

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Originally Posted by Fedora

Lower Gedrosia and higher eurasian indicate turkic admixture.

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But higher SW Asia and Caucasus indicate Kurdish. I mean his/her first pop is Zaza ))
I am almost certain that this person is either full or half Kurdish.
Even if he claims he is not, once we find out which part of the country he or his parents are from, we might be able to clarify this moment.

What I wrote about Kurds above is not a simple anecdote. Large population of Kurds in the Caucasus could not suddenly disappear. Many do not like to point out that they are Kurdish. It is almost wilful assimilation.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

More likely Kurd from Baku. After Karabakh war a lot of Kurds from that region (especially Kalbajar, Lachin, etc.) migrated to Baku. Most of them don't like or want to mention that they are Kurds.
Have a close friend from Gubadly who is Kurd (also their whole village was Kurdish). Now he always claims he is Azeri.
I think this result indicates that the person is probably Kurdish.

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Most likely he is mixed yes. Kurds are part of Azerbaijani ethnogenesis (in some regions) and Baku is a melting pot. But I doubt he is fully Kurdish.

Zaza is not a pure Kurdish reference (in my opinion).

Target: Azerbaijani_Baku
Distance: 1.9784% / 1.97843571 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
40.8 Zaza
14.6 Udi_Azerbaijan

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

But higher SW Asia and Caucasus indicate Kurdish. I mean his/her first pop is Zaza ))
I am almost certain that this person is either full or half Kurdish.
Even if he claims he is not, once we find out which part of the country he or his parents are from, we might be able to clarify this moment.

What I wrote about Kurds above is not a simple anecdote. Large population of Kurds in the Caucasus could not suddenly disappear. Many do not like to point out that they are Kurdish. It is almost wilful assimilation.

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Sad but true. Something similar happened with the Kurds in Iran where a bunch started identifying as Lurs although in many cases voluntarily

Most of the Caucasus Kurds were deported/resettled in Kazakhstan in the 1930-40s. Around 45,000 Kurds live today in Southeastern Kazakhstan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Kazakhstan

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The Zazas (also known as Kird, Kirmanc or Dimili)[6] are a people in eastern Turkey who speak the Zaza language. Their heartland consists of Tunceli and Bingöl provinces and parts of Elazığ, Erzincan and Diyarbakır provinces.[2] Zazas generally[7] consider themselves Kurds,[8][5][9][10] and are often described as Zaza Kurds.

More recent data from 2005 suggests that the Zaza-speaking population varies from approximately 2 to 4 million.[1] Many Zazas only speak Kurmanji Kurdish as it was believed that the Zaza language was an offshoot of Kurmanji.[3]

While Zazas largely consider themselves Kurds,[7] some researches consider Zazas to be a separate ethnic group, and treat them as such in their academic work.[16] A scientific report from 2005 concluded that Zazas share the same genetical pattern as other Kurdish groups and did not support the hypothesis of Zazas originating from Northern Iran.[17]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazas

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Most likely he is mixed yes. Kurds are part of Azerbaijani ethnogenesis (in some regions) and Baku is a melting pot. But I doubt he is fully Kurdish.

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Very true, Kurds played part in the ethnogenesis of Iranian and Karabakh Azbaijanis. Although most people when they point out similarity usually think that this apply to the whole Azerbaijan, forgetting that Western and Northern Azeris are very different.
Of course Baku is a whole different animal.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Baku is a melting pot.

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You have no idea )) I wish there was a comprehensive testing of Baku's population. It is a literal melting pot.
That is why I mentioned Russians above. Azerbaijan had the biggest Russian population in the Caucasus and Azerbaijanis extensively intermarried with Russians, especially in Baku and Sumgayit.
Large scale testing will doubtless show this. Azeris just recently warming up to DNA tests, but still way behind many other nations.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Most of the Caucasus Kurds were deported/resettled in Kazakhstan in the 1930-40s. Around 45,000 Kurds live today in Southeastern Kazakhstan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Kazakhstan

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A lot remained in Karabakh, even though they usually chose not to identify as Kurds.

Yoruk from Mersin:
https://i.imgur.com/a9FiaOB.png

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Very true, Kurds played part in the ethnogenesis of Iranian and Karabakh Azbaijanis. Although most people when they point out similarity usually think that this apply to the whole Azerbaijan, forgetting that Western and Northern Azeris are very different.
Of course Baku is a whole different animal.

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That explains why Iraqi Kurds get more E Azerbaijan matches than western or northern

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/uqfbifp.jpg?1[/IMG]

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/ZzqDLxu.jpg[/IMG]

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Originally Posted by Zoro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazas

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What is the difference between Kurds from Turkey and Zazas?

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Originally Posted by Zoro

That explains why Iraqi Kurds get more E Azerbaijan matches than western or northern

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North Azeris form sort of a continuum with Dagestani people, and are very close to Lezgin, Avars, etc.
Dagestani Azeris (from Russia) are even more northern shifted. I have seen one with more than 20% NE for example.

Western Azeris tend to have the highest East Asian admixture and tend to be similar to Turks from Turkey. I have seen a result of Azerbaijani from Gadabay (in western (republic) Azerbaijan) who actually was closest to Yoruk. I think it was poseted by Kyp. Maybe he can dug it up ))
I have personal friend from Gadabay who has epithantic fold ))) This region (Gadabay) also tend to produce quite a lot of blond, blue eyed people for some reason. Go figure ))

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Of course Baku is a whole different animal.


You have no idea )) I wish there was a comprehensive testing of Baku's population. It is a literal melting pot.
That is why I mentioned Russians above. Azerbaijan had the biggest Russian population in the Caucasus and Azerbaijanis extensively intermarried with Russians, especially in Baku and Sumgayit.
Large scale testing will doubtless show this. Azeris just recently warming up to DNA tests, but still way behind many other nations.

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Excuse me, are you from the "Russian sector" yourself? A big minority of people in Baku still go to Russian-medium schools and use Russian on a daily basis.

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Originally Posted by Impaler

What is the difference between Kurds from Turkey and Zazas?

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Zazas are a subset of Kurds of Turkey. Different tribes is what differentiates Kurds. Being that Kurds span a large area in West Asia there's regional variation.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

North Azeris form sort of a continuum with Dagestani people, and are very close to Lezgin, Avars, etc.
Dagestani Azeris (from Russia) are even more northern shifted. I have seen one with more than 20% NE for example.

Western Azeris tend to have the highest East Asian admixture and tend to be similar to Turks from Turkey. I have seen a result of Azerbaijani from Gadabay (in western (republic) Azerbaijan) who actually was closest to Yoruk. I think it was poseted by Kyp. Maybe he can dug it up ))
I have personal friend from Gadabay who has epithantic fold ))) This region (Gadabay) also tend to produce quite a lot of blond, blue eyed people for some reason. Go figure ))

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Somethiing like this Kurd from Turkey?

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/PPxxWCU.jpg[/IMG]

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Originally Posted by Leto

Excuse me, are you from the "Russian sector" yourself? A big minority of people in Baku still go to Russian-medium schools and use Russian on a daily basis.

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No, but I knew Russian due to the fact that the language was spoken around me growing up, and I did my bachelors degree in Saint Petersburg. So I am fluent in Russian without having been in "Russian sector" ))

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Somethiing like this Kurd from Turkey?

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No, friend also has ash blond hair(which got a bit darker), blue eyes and is ghastly pale.

More like these yoruks:
https://i.imgur.com/d2oXP0A.png

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

North Azeris form sort of a continuum with Dagestani people, and are very close to Lezgin, Avars, etc.
Dagestani Azeris (from Russia) are even more northern shifted. I have seen one with more than 20% NE for example.

Western Azeris tend to have the highest East Asian admixture and tend to be similar to Turks from Turkey. I have seen a result of Azerbaijani from Gadabay (in western (republic) Azerbaijan) who actually was closest to Yoruk. I think it was poseted by Kyp. Maybe he can dug it up ))
I have personal friend from Gadabay who has epithantic fold ))) This region (Gadabay) also tend to produce quite a lot of blond, blue eyed people for some reason. Go figure ))

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I think you are overexaggerating the differences a bit. I wouldn't go that far in saying they form a continuum with Avars and Lezgins. Although Lezgin ancestry seems to be present in North of the Republic.
Also Northwestern Azerbaijanis are not closer to Turks than they are to other Azerbaijanis. The old Yoruk average was fishy and is now deleted it was based on one sample from Adana (Southern Turkey). I have pretty much all results from the Northwest and they are still closer to other Azerbaijanis, just their East Asian is a bit higher. My father has epithantic fold too even I have it a bit.

Here is the average for Northwest Gedebay/Aghstafa etc.:

Gedrosian: 20.74
Siberian: 3.35
Northwest_African: 1.06
Southeast_Asian: 0.83
Atlantic_Med: 9.79
North_European: 8.43
South_Asian: 1.38
East_African 0.29
Southwest_Asian: 11.09
East_Asian: 5.25
Caucasian: 37.33
Sub_Saharan: 0.07

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Northwest
2.87059227 Azerbaijani
3.45446088 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.86688505 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.42583325 Turk_Southeast
6.16173677 Turk_South
6.38920183 Turk_Central_East
7.11806153 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.40380983 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.77724887 Turk_Central_West
8.08899252 Zaza
8.49734664 Iraq_Turkmen
8.57856631 Yazidi
8.82665282 Kurd_Adygea
8.94517188 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.26475580 Kurd_Sorani
9.59849988 Turk_East
9.65874215 Turk_Southwest
10.07051637 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.27455595 Iran_Central
10.30769130 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.27015971 Iranian
11.33549293 Lur_Iran
11.43364771 Iranian_Fars
11.65627299 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
12.08017798 Iran_Khorasan

Target: Azerbaijani_Northwest
Distance: 1.2135% / 1.21354877 | ADC: 0.25x RC
48.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
29.1 Yazidi
19.3 Turk_Southwest
2.2 Japanese
1.0 Hazara

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

No, friend also has ash blond hair(which got a bit darker), blue eyes and is ghastly pale.

More like these yoruks:
https://i.imgur.com/d2oXP0A.png

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Ah ok. Just like kurds Azeris have a large range of phenotypes. Some are very Turkmenistan looking others very Russian and Caucasus and still others Turkish and Iranian

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Originally Posted by Zoro

Ah ok. Just like kurds Azeris have a large range of phenotypes. Some are very Turkmenistan looking others very Russian and Caucasus and still others Turkish and Iranian

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Kurds dont look Turanid in general. I think Turanid is atypical for kurds

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Kurds dont look Turanid in general. I think Turanid is atypical for kurds

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I never said Turanid is the predominant Kurdish phenotype but there’s still a decent amount of kurds with turanid phenotypes and it could be regional. For example i noticed more in Sulemani Iraq. Haven’t been to Turkey so I don’t know how it is among Zazas and other kurds. In Iran it seems to be regional also and i also see some with kurdish youtube vloggers.

Even with my cousins a brother could be turanid, the other slavic, the other Iranic. Thing is 3 brothers can each have 10% E. Asian. One brother’s 10% could be in phenotype genes, the other brother’s 10% can be in non-phenotype genes so only 1 will look turanid

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Originally Posted by Kyp

I think you are overexaggerating the differences a bit. I wouldn't go that far in saying they form a continuum with Avars and Lezgins. Although Lezgin ancestry seems to be present in North of the Republic.

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Not just the republic. There are also Derbent and Dagestani Azeris.
I don't think it is exaggeration to be honest. Here are the proximity for Azerbaijanis from Zagata-Balaken region. Average is taken from Azeri-Turkic DNA project:
https://i.imgur.com/JoNzh3R.png
Also, results of the Azeris from Derbent:
https://i.imgur.com/oycD1qO.png

Both groups are rather close to Dagestani people, especially to Tsakhur and less so to Ingush, Kumyk, Lezgin, Chechen.
I think once we have enough samples, Guba(2 results I know are very similar to Dagestani Azeris), Khachmaz and other northern regions will be similar too.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Also Northwestern Azerbaijanis are not closer to Turks than they are to other Azerbaijanis. The old Yoruk average was fishy and is now deleted it was based on one sample from Adana (Southern Turkey). I have pretty much all results from the Northwest and they are still closer to other Azerbaijanis, just their East Asian is a bit higher. My father has epithantic fold too even I have it a bit.

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Point taken. Maybe I mixed it with single result from Kars or Igdir that matched with Turks first, before Azeris. But number do not lie, and averages will be close to Aeris first in the end.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

My father has epithantic fold too even I have it a bit.

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I find it fascinating. That region produces "Asian eyes" paired with blond hair and blue eyes. Almost like Saami.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Not just the republic. There are also Derbent and Dagestani Azeris.
I don't think it is exaggeration to be honest. Here are the proximity for Azerbaijanis from Zagata-Balaken region. Average is taken from Azeri-Turkic DNA project:

Both groups are rather close to Dagestani people, especially to Tsakhur and less so to Ingush, Kumyk, Lezgin, Chechen.
I think once we have enough samples, Guba(2 results I know are very similar to Dagestani Azeris), Khachmaz and other northern regions will be similar too.

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Yes in the north they approach Dagestani Azerbaijani results. However they are still far away from Avars.

The average of those cities in the north plots like this:

Distance to: Azerbaijani_North
5.66033568 Azerbaijani
5.68364320 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.83732816 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.88298394 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.67163607 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.70425207 Zaza
7.95960426 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.19094012 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan

Basically between Dagestan Azerbaijanis and regular Azerbaijanis. I don't know maybe in the future they will approach closer to Dagestan Azeris or the opposite will happen. I suspect the average will remain stable. Probably the North_Euro average is somewhere around 13%.

Note: Even Dagestan Azerbaijanis are southern shifted in terms of Dagestan in general.

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Point taken. Maybe I mixed it with single result from Kars or Igdir that matched with Turks first, before Azeris. But number do not lie, and averages will be close to Aeris first in the end.

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Yes I know which result you mean. But this result never got confirmed the person didn't want to reveal the kitnumber. I suspect it wasn't actually an Azerbaijani result. It also wasn't consistent with other results from Kars/Igdir.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Yes in the north they approach Dagestani Azerbaijani results. However they are still far away from Avars.

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Yeah, I just added Avars as a proxy for Dagestani people, didn't mean Avars specifically.
My point was that the different between the N. Azeris and Dagestani people is not large, and that the transition is smooth, which the calculator shows.

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The average of those cities in the north plots like this:

Distance to: Azerbaijani_North
5.66033568 Azerbaijani
5.68364320 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.83732816 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
5.88298394 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.67163607 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.70425207 Zaza
7.95960426 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.19094012 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan

Basically between Dagestan Azerbaijanis and regular Azerbaijanis. I don't know maybe in the future they will approach closer to Dagestan Azeris or the opposite will happen. I suspect the average will remain stable. Probably the North_Euro average is somewhere around 13%.

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Yeah, we will see. I expect to see more lezgin influence, and if not close Dagestani, then maybe closer to Zagatala. I hope to add my own results, as my test kit just arrived ))
How many samples do you have from these regions?
On a related note, is distance over 5 "good" ?

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Yes I know which result you mean. But this result never got confirmed the person didn't want to reveal the kitnumber. I suspect it wasn't actually an Azerbaijani result. It also wasn't consistent with other results from Kars/Igdir.

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No, I don't mean just that Yoruk result. I saw a result of either Azeri from Turkey or Armenia. He was closer to Turks from eastern Turkey.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Yeah, I just added Avars as a proxy for Dagestani people, didn't mean Avars specifically.
My point was that the different between the N. Azeris and Dagestani people is not large, and that the transition is smooth, which the calculator shows.


Yeah, we will see. I expect to see more lezgin influence, and if not close Dagestani, then maybe closer to Zagatala. I hope to add my own results, as my test kit just arrived ))
How many samples do you have from these regions?
On a related note, is distance over 5 "good" ?

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Yes it's quite smooth.

Distance 5 I would call "tolerable" but not great. Since they have distance 5 to both Dagestani Azeris and other Azeris it shows that they are intermediate between these groups.
Cool, looking forward to your result.

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No, I don't mean just that Yoruk result. I saw a result of either Azeri from Turkey or Armenia. He was closer to Turks from eastern Turkey.

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Might be, but let's not put under the rug the vast majority of Azeris from Turkey who are very close to regular Azeris. Also Eastern Turks are quite close to Azerbaijanis in general it doesn't say much.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Might be, but let's not put under the rug the vast majority of Azeris from Turkey who are very close to regular Azeris. Also Eastern Turks are quite close to Azerbaijanis in general it doesn't say much.

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I think there is some misunderstanding. I didn't "put under the rug " the similarity.

I just point out that western Azeris are shifted towards Turkey (western shifted), not that they are not similar to Azeris in general.

In my original post I even said that western Azeris are similar (similar does not equal the closest) to the eastern Turks. I don't see any inconsistency with results you provided. After the Azeris, the western population is most similar to the Eastern Turks.

Ahiska Turk

Gedrosia 19.85 Pct
Siberian 0.4 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.13 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.71 Pct
North_European 9.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.9 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.1 Pct

Distance to: EOmer
3.15141238 Turk_Ahiska
5.22178131 Georgian
6.91528741 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.07795875 Armenian_East
7.60167087 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.80240348 Turk_East
7.94333683 Hemshin
7.94971069 Laz
8.47681544 Abkhazian
8.79709043 Georgian_Turkey

Target: EOmer
Distance: 1.0550% / 1.05500759 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.3 Turk_Ahiska
40.6 Georgian
4.6 Iran_Mazandaran
4.5 Spanish_Basque

Distance to: EOmer
1.63628595 81.40% Laz + 18.60% Yagnobi
1.70493134 84.00% Laz + 16.00% Pamiri_Rushan
1.70868629 3.60% Spanish_Basque + 96.40% Turk_Ahiska
1.74008684 22.80% Dargin + 77.20% Hemshin
1.75765080 4.00% French + 96.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.77273046 4.00% French2 + 96.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.79369134 4.00% Spanish_La_Rioja + 96.00% Turk_Ahiska
1.80260957 3.80% Irish + 96.20% Turk_Ahiska
1.80801064 3.80% Mixed_NW_Euro + 96.20% Turk_Ahiska
1.81275018 4.20% Spanish_Aragon + 95.80% Turk_Ahiska


His match (Turkish first and last name)

R1b1
T2a

Gedrosia 18.65 Pct
Siberian 0.64 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.88 Pct
North_European 7.09 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.52 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 54.22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: SK
3.62579646 Turk_Ahiska
4.81661707 Hemshin
5.38680796 Laz
5.89866086 Georgian
5.96749529 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.22775240 Armenian_East
6.60891822 Georgian_Turkey
6.84214148 Georgian_Adjara
7.32668411 Greek_Pontus
8.08898634 Georgian_Imereti

Target: SK
Distance: 1.0528% / 1.05278306 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.7 Turk_Ahiska
38.3 Georgian_Turkey
12.6 Georgian_Gurian
7.4 Kuwait2

Target: SK
Distance: 2.5199% / 2.51991993 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.5 Turk_Ahiska
29.9 Hemshin
11.6 Azeri_Jew

Distance to: SK
1.24768592 44.00% Assyrian_North + 56.00% Georgian_Gurian
1.38353245 62.40% Georgian_Gurian + 37.60% Kurdish_Jew
1.38803858 42.80% Assyrian_South + 57.20% Georgian_Gurian
1.39634820 43.80% Azeri_Jew + 56.20% Georgian_Gurian
1.41658087 63.80% Georgian_Gurian + 36.20% Iraqi_Jew
1.46108572 43.20% Assyrian_West + 56.80% Georgian_Gurian
1.65635082 62.40% Georgian_Gurian + 37.60% Iranian_Jew
1.66396683 48.20% Assyrian_North + 51.80% Georgian_Mingrelian
1.72337056 48.00% Azeri_Jew + 52.00% Georgian_Mingrelian
1.73933730 49.00% Assyrian_West + 51.00% Georgian_Svan

Turkish match. I am not sure about his ratios, he seems kinda "mixed" in my opinion

Population
Gedrosia 16.38 Pct
Siberian 4.17 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.43 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.95 Pct
North_European 12.78 Pct
South_Asian 4.05 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.72 Pct
East_Asian 4.8 Pct
Caucasus 30.72 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Serdar
Distance: 1.5582% / 1.55819722 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.3 Turk_Northwest
20.3 Tajik_Herat
16.4 Turk_Southeast
10.4 Italian_Tuscany
6.7 Saudi
1.9 Balkan_Gypsy

Target: Serdar
Distance: 2.6895% / 2.68953002 | R3P
70.2 Turk_Southeast
17.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.2 French

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Target: Serdar
Distance: 1.5582% / 1.55819722 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.3 Turk_Northwest
20.3 Tajik_Herat
16.4 Turk_Southeast
10.4 Italian_Tuscany
6.7 Saudi
1.9 Balkan_Gypsy

Target: Serdar
Distance: 2.6895% / 2.68953002 | R3P
70.2 Turk_Southeast
17.6 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
12.2 French

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Yes that looks a bit weird, but i would say this is a sample from South/Med-region. Maybe also a kind of NW-Turkish and Eastern-Turk mix?

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Turkish match

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Close relative of this guy (650+ CM shared)

Population
Gedrosia 16.85 Pct
Siberian 2.52 Pct
Northwest_African 0.43 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.76 Pct
North_European 8.64 Pct
South_Asian 2.77 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.4 Pct
East_Asian 6.48 Pct
Caucasus 35.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Zeynep
Distance: 1.3714% / 1.37139468 | ADC: 0.25x RC
87.7 Turk_Southeast
4.1 Greek_Lemnos
3.5 Sardinian
3.2 Japanese
1.5 Brahmins_from_Uttaranchal

another kinda close relative (100+ cm)

Population
Gedrosia 15.91 Pct
Siberian 3.93 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.04 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.77 Pct
North_European 13.74 Pct
South_Asian 0.88 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.11 Pct
East_Asian 5.44 Pct
Caucasus 32.64 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.53 Pct

Target: Kasim
Distance: 1.8154% / 1.81543505 | R3P
49.4 Zaza
33.2 Greek_Central
17.4 Nogai_Astrakhan

Target: Kasim
Distance: 3.4117% / 3.41169740 | R2P
57.4 Assyrian_North
42.6 Lipka_Tatar

Target: Kasim
Distance: 1.5859% / 1.58586691 | ADC: 0.25x RC
34.9 Turk_Northwest
31.0 Turk_Southeast
21.0 Azerbaijani
9.9 French
2.0 Tujia
1.2 Yagnobi

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Originally Posted by Gecko

Yes that looks a bit weird, but i would say this is a sample from South/Med-region. Maybe also a kind of NW-Turkish and Eastern-Turk mix?

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His close relatives point to a large % of SE Turkish admixture. Most likely this guy is half Southeast half some other turkish, with higher Steppe + Asian input

Kurd from Iran:

Gedrosian: 24.53
Siberian: 0.00
Northwest_African: 0.30
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 3.87
North_European: 10.03
South_Asian: 2.83
East_African: 0.64
Southwest_Asian: 15.58
East_Asian: 1.07
Caucasian: 41.14
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Kurd_Iran
5.44083633 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.60492640 Kurd_Adygea
5.91519230 Kurd_Sorani
6.14568141 Zaza
6.24296404 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.93339744 Yazidi
7.37252331 Iranian
7.48328805 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.53650449 Iraq_Turkmen
7.54655551 Iran_Central
7.75342505 Lur_Iran
8.59826145 Azerbaijani
9.06253276 Iranian_Fars
9.15078685 Azerbaijani_Turkey
9.21850856 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.88143832 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.02354752 Turk_Southeast
11.03833774 Iran_Mazandaran
11.54703425 Turk_East
11.73532701 Iran_C_East
11.85970489 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.58366004 Iran_Khorasan
13.33708739 Mandean
13.42892401 Azeri_Jew
13.78521309 Iranian_Jew
13.79447353 Turk_Central_East
13.97324586 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
14.16076975 Assyrian_North
14.29885310 Armenian_East
14.36306722 Iran_Arab

Target: Kurd_Iran
Distance: 1.6222% / 1.62224661 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.8 Iran_Mazandaran
34.3 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.8 Kuwait2
13.1 Georgian_Svan

Talysh father and Azeri mother from Masalli, Azerbaijan.
Y-DNA: J1 P58
MtDNA: D4c
https://i.imgur.com/efuGHXG.png
https://i.imgur.com/3g5ZzM1.png
https://i.imgur.com/zZwAXqG.png

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Talysh father and Azeri mother from Masalli, Azerbaijan.

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What are the demographics in Southeast? (Masalli, Lenkaran..)

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Originally Posted by Kyp

What are the demographics in Southeast? (Masalli, Lenkaran..)

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I don't know exactly. Astara, which borders Iran, is predominantly Talysh, which is part of a larger Talysh population in Iran.
Lerik is probably around 50%-50%, although during the last census Azeris and Talysh were grouped together. Though based on historical records, I'd wager it is probably more Talysh than Azeri.
The rest of the south eastern region seems more mixed. Regardless, I think Talysh should be majority there.

Azerbaijan held a census in 2020, and the results will be published this year (or maybe next). Maybe demographic situation will become more clear after results are made public.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

I don't know exactly. Astara, which borders Iran, is predominantly Talysh, which is part of a larger Talysh population in Iran.
Lerik is probably around 50%-50%, although during the last census Azeris and Talysh were grouped together. Though based on historical records, I'd wager it is probably more Talysh than Azeri.
The rest of the south eastern region seems more mixed. Regardless, I think Talysh should be majority there.

Azerbaijan held a census in 2020, and the results will be published this year (or maybe next). Maybe demographic situation will become more clear after results are made public.

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What is interesting about Astara is that the Iranian part is mainly Turkish-speaking, while the Republic part is Talysh speaking.