Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Adiyaman, Turkey result (Turkish/Kurdish mixed):
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Distance to: Adiyaman
3.08172030 Azerbaijani
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And he came up as Azerbaijani :)

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Originally Posted by Leto

And he came up as Azerbaijani :)

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What could this result be?

Gedrosian: 31.02
Siberian: 2.74
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 3.54
North_European: 12.12
South_Asian 18.36
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 2.79
East_Asian: 6.42
Caucasian: 23.01
Sub-Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: So
5.19072249 Tajik_Kabul
8.20769151 Pashtun_Kandahar
8.72234487 Tajik_Herat
9.88923152 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
11.42447373 Pashtun_Tarkalani
11.71486236 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
12.11198167 Pashtun_Yusafzai
13.18841158 Kho
13.66161045 Pamiri_Ishkashim
13.72965040 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.62795269 Tajiks
15.07777172 Nuristani
15.22014126 Parsi_India
15.42449027 Kalash
15.80107908 Turkmens
16.29859196 Iran_Bandari
16.37759445 Pamiri_Shughnan
16.60762475 Turkmen_Iran
16.67126270 Iran_Khorasan
17.14145851 Pamiri_Rushan
17.32417386 Yagnobi
19.06397125 Pathan
20.45175298 Burusho
21.75948529 Balkan_Gypsy
22.40520475 Iranian_Fars

Target: So
Distance: 1.6810% / 1.68097042 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Tajik_Kabul
6.0 North_Ossetians
4.4 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
3.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
0.4 Japanese

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Originally Posted by Kyp

What could this result be?

Gedrosian: 31.02
Siberian: 2.74
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 3.54
North_European: 12.12
South_Asian 18.36
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 2.79
East_Asian: 6.42
Caucasian: 23.01
Sub-Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: So
5.19072249 Tajik_Kabul
8.20769151 Pashtun_Kandahar
8.72234487 Tajik_Herat
9.88923152 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
11.42447373 Pashtun_Tarkalani
11.71486236 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
12.11198167 Pashtun_Yusafzai
13.18841158 Kho
13.66161045 Pamiri_Ishkashim
13.72965040 Tajik_Tajikistan
14.62795269 Tajiks
15.07777172 Nuristani
15.22014126 Parsi_India
15.42449027 Kalash
15.80107908 Turkmens
16.29859196 Iran_Bandari
16.37759445 Pamiri_Shughnan
16.60762475 Turkmen_Iran
16.67126270 Iran_Khorasan
17.14145851 Pamiri_Rushan
17.32417386 Yagnobi
19.06397125 Pathan
20.45175298 Burusho
21.75948529 Balkan_Gypsy
22.40520475 Iranian_Fars

Target: So
Distance: 1.6810% / 1.68097042 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Tajik_Kabul
6.0 North_Ossetians
4.4 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
3.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
0.4 Japanese

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I think some kind of Afghan. Maybe Afghan Tajik.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I think some kind of Afghan. Maybe Afghan Tajik.

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Yes, probably Afghan Tajik. If he was from Tajikistan he could get some Uzbek on the list before Pathan or Burusho. I would even say he can even have some Pashtun mix but anyway, not that clear.

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Originally Posted by Chaos One

Yes, probably Afghan Tajik. If he was from Tajikistan he could get some Uzbek on the list before Pathan or Burusho. I would even say he can even have some Pashtun mix but anyway, not that clear.

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That high South Asian is impossible in Tajikistan. They are like 5-10% most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Leto

That high South Asian is impossible in Tajikistan. They are like 5-10% most of the time.

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Weirdly enough, I do remember seeing some Southern Uzbek samples with 15%-20% South Asian, but never Tajiks.

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Originally Posted by Chaos One

Weirdly enough, I do remember seeing some Southern Uzbek samples with 15%-20% South Asian, but never Tajiks.

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I think that must've been Eurogenes, not Dodecad or Harappa. Though Afghan Uzbeks may be indeed more Southern as anyone else in Afghanistan.

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Originally Posted by Chaos One

Weirdly enough, I do remember seeing some Southern Uzbek samples with 15%-20% South Asian, but never Tajiks.

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I saw really south asian influenced Tadjiks(but yes not with this calculator) but honestly never saw an Uzbek with more than 10% south asian. Maybe a Tadjik/Uzbek mix, some parts of Central Asia are indistinguishable between Turkics and Iranics, at least culturally and linguistically.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

I saw really south asian influenced Tadjiks(but yes not with this calculator) but honestly never saw an Uzbek with more than 10% south asian. Maybe a Tadjik/Uzbek mix, some parts of Central Asia are indistinguishable between Turkics and Iranics, at least culturally and linguistically.

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That's why I said Southern, since they tend to be more Iranic oriented than Northern/Eastern ones. Places like Samarkand or Bukhara are somewhat different from Andijon or Tashkent.

Some Levantine Arabs (not sure which ones exactly). Just testing the current Levantine averages which don't look good...

Three siblings. They seem to have a bit of white ancestry (no kidding)

Gedrosia 11.14 Pct
Siberian 1.24 Pct
Northwest_African 3.15 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 17.28 Pct
North_European 3.37 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 1.66 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.98 Pct
East_Asian 0.16 Pct
Caucasus 41.46 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.57 Pct

Distance to: Atef
2.69258240 Nusayri_Turkey
6.87554361 Lebanese
9.68455988 Greek_Cappadocia
10.55758495 Druze
10.60168854 Syrians
10.64374464 Cypriots
12.04587481 Jordanians
12.36673765 Armenian_West
12.62189764 Sephardic_Jews
13.03387510 Greek_Crete

Target: Atef
Distance: 1.7141% / 1.71408308 | ADC: 0.5x
86.6 Nusayri_Turkey
8.0 Sephardic_Jews
4.0 Syrians
1.4 Morocco_Jews


Gedrosia 12.47 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.80 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 16.34 Pct
North_European 4.01 Pct
South_Asian 0.57 Pct
East_African 2.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.54 Pct
East_Asian 0.85 Pct
Caucasus 40.36 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Majed
3.22690254 Nusayri_Turkey
6.59050833 Lebanese
10.44481211 Syrians
10.48737336 Greek_Cappadocia
11.69649948 Druze
11.83743215 Jordanians
12.23766726 Armenian_West
12.30084143 Turk_Southeast
12.42503924 Cypriots
12.43343878 Turk_Central_East

Target: Majed
Distance: 2.1839% / 2.18390288 | ADC: 0.5x
79.2 Nusayri_Turkey
10.8 Lebanese
3.8 Italy_Sicily
3.4 Turk_Southeast
2.8 Morocco_Jews


Gedrosia 12.45 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.44 Pct
North_European 3.46 Pct
South_Asian 1.31 Pct
East_African 1.97 Pct
Southwest_Asian 20.07 Pct
East_Asian 0.36 Pct
Caucasus 40.88 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.28 Pct

Distance to: Mona
2.76269796 Nusayri_Turkey
5.63616891 Lebanese
9.57437726 Syrians
10.68601422 Druze
10.81043015 Greek_Cappadocia
11.04374936 Jordanians
11.72981245 Armenian_West
12.38161540 Iraq_Jews
12.48641262 Assyrian
12.52471157 Cypriots

Target: Mona
Distance: 1.6844% / 1.68437620 | ADC: 0.5x
79.8 Nusayri_Turkey
15.8 Lebanese
2.4 Balkan_Gypsy
2.0 Jordanians

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U1a E-L485

Gedrosia 13.34 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.40 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.39 Pct
North_European 3.42 Pct
South_Asian 0.14 Pct
East_African 2.21 Pct
Southwest_Asian 22.00 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Nader
4.44597571 Lebanese
5.77769850 Nusayri_Turkey
7.69458901 Iraq_Jews
7.76918271 Druze
8.81210531 Syrians
8.95168141 Assyrian
9.43401823 Uzbekistan_Jews
9.62123693 Armenian_West
9.89761082 Iranian_Jews
10.41204591 Jordanians

Target: Nader
Distance: 1.2172% / 1.21721072 | ADC: 0.5x
70.4 Lebanese
16.8 Assyrian
10.8 Armenian_West
2.0 Iraq_Jews

Target: Nader
Distance: 1.0642% / 1.06418763 | ADC: 0.25x
67.2 Lebanese
13.2 Armenian_West
13.2 Assyrian
3.4 Iraq_Jews
3.0 Georgia_Jews


H14 J2a1a

Gedrosia 12.87 Pct
Siberian 0.18 Pct
Northwest_African 3.89 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 13.63 Pct
North_European 4.20 Pct
South_Asian 1.73 Pct
East_African 1.82 Pct
Southwest_Asian 21.47 Pct
East_Asian 0.07 Pct
Caucasus 40.12 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Hussein
4.32987298 Lebanese
4.80871085 Nusayri_Turkey
7.91787219 Syrians
9.71049947 Jordanians
11.04916739 Druze
11.66763901 Iraq_Jews
11.79346429 Uzbekistan_Jews
12.22937038 Turk_Southeast
12.32733142 Assyrian
12.33458147 Turkmen_Iraq

Target: Hussein
Distance: 1.8646% / 1.86455832 | ADC: 0.5x
56.6 Lebanese
36.2 Nusayri_Turkey
3.4 Turkmen_Iraq
2.6 Balkan_Gypsy
1.2 Parsi_India

Target: Hussein
Distance: 1.1284% / 1.12837800 | ADC: 0.25x
51.8 Lebanese
39.2 Nusayri_Turkey
4.6 Syrians
3.0 Jatt
1.0 Balkan_Gypsy
0.4 Argyll

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Originally Posted by Leto

Assyrian from Mosul, Iraq

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Nazarene(Assyrian),17.58,0,2.84,0.10,10.15,2.34,1.63,0,18.75,0.57,46.04,0

Distance to: Nazarene(Assyrian)
4.13820009 Assyrian
4.79729090 Uzbekistan_Jews
5.57561656 Armenian_West
6.86949780 Iranian_Jews
7.05648638 Azerbaijan_Jews
7.09577339 Iraq_Jews
7.38371180 Georgia_Jews
8.05866614 Armenian_East
8.69278436 Nusayri_Turkey
8.90724986 Turk_East

Target: Nazarene(Assyrian)
Distance: 1.8610% / 1.86104994 | ADC: 0.5x
48.8 Assyrian
29.2 Uzbekistan_Jews
19.4 Nusayri_Turkey
2.2 Armenian_West
0.4 Mozabite

Target: Nazarene(Assyrian)
Distance: 0.8951% / 0.89505268 | ADC: 0.25x
50.8 Assyrian
22.2 Uzbekistan_Jews
14.2 Nusayri_Turkey
8.6 Armenian_West
2.2 Druze
1.4 Mozabite
0.6 Pulliyar

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New Assyrian references:

Distance to: Nazarene(Assyrian)
2.11679002 Assyrian_South
2.54650741 Assyrian_North
2.64107932 Assyrian_West
4.35418190 Iraqi_Jew
4.53126914 Mandean
4.79729090 Uzbekistan_Jews
5.57561656 Armenian_West
6.86949780 Iranian_Jews
7.05648638 Azerbaijan_Jews
7.38371180 Georgia_Jews

Target: Nazarene(Assyrian)
Distance: 1.2858% / 1.28580083 | ADC: 0.5x
94.8 Assyrian_South
4.2 Uzbekistan_Jews
0.8 Mozabite
0.2 Pulliyar

Target: Nazarene(Assyrian)
Distance: 0.6802% / 0.68021319 | ADC: 0.25x
88.8 Assyrian_South
7.4 Uzbekistan_Jews
1.8 Georgia_Jews
1.2 Mozabite
0.6 Pulliyar
0.2 Japanese

previously posted results

Armenian from Germany

Gedrosia 19.39
Siberian 0
Northwest_African 0.75
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 9.82
North_European 3.98
South_Asian 0
East_African 0
Southwest_Asian 14.66
East_Asian 0
Caucasus 51.40
Sub_Saharan 0

Distance to: Armenian_Germany
3.82365009 Armenian_East
4.07653039 Armenian_West
4.69776543 Azerbaijan_Jews
5.48488833 Georgia_Jews
6.47145270 Assyrian_North
6.53466908 Greek_Pontus
6.61362231 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.84119873 Hemshin
6.88946297 Assyrian_West
7.12548946 Assyrian_South
7.22437541 Turk_Ahiska
7.66596374 Uzbekistan_Jews
7.73470749 Turk_East
7.78551219 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.95319433 Laz
9.62325309 Iranian_Jews
9.79727003 Georgian_Adjara
10.37237678 Georgian_Turkey
10.80531351 Mandean
11.08559877 Iraqi_Jew
11.27440908 Zaza
12.66529115 Greek_Cappadocia
12.87104891 Georgian_Imereti
12.89153210 Kurd_KAZ
12.97508381 Talysh_Azerbaijan

Gedrosia 18.37
Siberian 0
Northwest_African 0.46
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 11.38
North_European 4.29 Pct
South_Asian 0.40
East_African 0.33
Southwest_Asian 14.01
East_Asian 0.46
Caucasus 50.31
Sub_Saharan 0

Distance to: Armenian_Germany_2
2.34529316 Armenian_East
2.91461833 Armenian_West
6.01483167 Greek_Pontus
6.05540255 Turk_East_Black_Sea
6.08158696 Azerbaijan_Jews
6.25013600 Turk_East
6.37145195 Assyrian_North
6.50518255 Assyrian_West
6.77313074 Georgia_Jews
6.90742354 Assyrian_South
7.14254156 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.41571979 Hemshin
7.51030625 Turk_Ahiska
7.96741489 Uzbekistan_Jews
8.48435030 Laz
10.54503201 Greek_Cappadocia
10.71803154 Georgian_Adjara
10.81747198 Iranian_Jews
10.84963133 Mandean
10.88776377 Zaza
10.95919705 Iraqi_Jew
11.39761817 Georgian_Turkey
12.35893199 Nusayri_Turkey
12.49361037 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.87123926 Kurd_Kurmanji

"From Germany"? Lol. That's irrelevant, the Armenians are not native to Germany in any way, shape or form. Their parents came from elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Leto

"From Germany"? Lol. That's irrelevant, the Armenians are not native to Germany in any way, shape or form. Their parents came from elsewhere.

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An Almancı :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Leto

"From Germany"? Lol. That's irrelevant, the Armenians are not native to Germany in any way, shape or form. Their parents came from elsewhere.

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where i say did that they are native?

Отправлено с моего DLI-TL20 через Tapatalk

Another DNA twin with very diverse background. Pan-Balkan Turk :D

Each marker is equal to 1/8 ancestry. 3th marker is Crimean Tatar who migrated to Dobruja following the Crimean War. The rest are Balkan Turks.


https://www.mapcustomizer.com/map/q2s1f


y-DNA: J-FGC35461. Kırklareli, Vize. -> https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FGC35461/
mt-DNA is J1c2. Kardzhali, Momchilgrad. -> https://www.yfull.com/mtree/J1c2

23andme

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https://i.ibb.co/tcFM2ZH/23andme.png

Gedmatch

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 26.5
2 North_European 24.61
3 Atlantic_Med 18.9
4 Gedrosia 9.43
5 Southwest_Asian 8.59
6 Siberian 5.74
7 East_Asian 3.27
8 South_Asian 1.51
9 Northwest_African 1.37
10 East_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.05
2 Romanians (Behar) 15.04
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.27
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 16.05
5 Greek (Dodecad) 16.21
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 19.04
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 19.09
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.61
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.96
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.26
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 20.57
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.97
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 21.58
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.66
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.54
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.96
17 Turks (Behar) 24.78
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.27
19 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.39
20 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 26.06

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.59
2 65.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.8% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.61
3 60.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 39.4% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.62
4 64.8% Romanians (Behar) + 35.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.9
5 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.92
6 66.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 33.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.95
7 62.5% Turks (Behar) + 37.5% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.11
8 65% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 35% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.25
9 63.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.29
10 64% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.3
11 55.9% Turks (Behar) + 44.1% German (Dodecad) @ 6.59
12 66.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 33.3% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.83
13 77% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 23% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7
14 59.5% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 40.5% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.01
15 72.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.09
16 58.9% Turks (Behar) + 41.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 7.1
17 57.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 42.7% German (Dodecad) @ 7.12
18 66.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 33.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.13
19 52% Turks (Behar) + 48% Hungarians (Behar) @ 7.26
20 67.9% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 32.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.26

Updated oracle

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Bulgaria @ 6,236118
2 Turk_Greece @ 7,255504
3 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 8,666997
4 Turk_Macedonia @ 9,775066
5 R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 10,76845
6 Gagauz @ 11,335766
7 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 12,03107
8 R,Moldova_South @ 12,494851
9 Pomak @ 13,537575
10 Albanian_Kosovo @ 13,538017
11 Turk_Northwest @ 14,04597
12 Albanian_North @ 14,315686
13 Italy_Apulia @ 14,423912
14 Bulgarian @ 14,8765
15 Macedonian @ 15,137253
16 Italy_Lazio @ 15,691836
17 Romanians @ 15,943854
18 Bulgarians @ 16,30238
19 Italy_Abruzzo @ 16,424004
20 Montenegrin @ 16,874701
21 Turk_Southwest @ 16,948203
22 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 16,99547
23 Italy_Marche @ 17,118306
24 Greek @ 17,417625
25 Italy_Sicily @ 17,483078
26 MD_Jewish @ 17,680067
27 Italy_Romagna @ 17,862359
28 Ashkenazi_Jews @ 18,43724
29 Italy_Campania @ 18,621956
30 Yoruk @ 18,886269
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 HUN_Szekely+Turk_South @ 2,994587
2 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Southwest @ 3,069892
3 Serb+Yoruk @ 3,080173
4 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Anatolia @ 3,344154
5 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Central_West @ 3,547112
6 Montenegrin+Yoruk @ 3,609072
7 HUN_Szekely+Yoruk @ 3,633721
8 Serb+Turk_Southwest @ 3,75105
9 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Northwest @ 3,761948
10 Bosnian+Yoruk @ 3,799755
11 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 3,842591
12 HUN_Szekely+Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,917497
13 Serb+Turk_Northwest @ 4,065529
14 Montenegrin+Turk_Northwest @ 4,083011
15 Pomak+Turk_Northwest @ 4,193435
16 Bosnian+Turk_South @ 4,214842
17 Bosnian+Turk_Southwest @ 4,229749
18 Serb+Turk_South @ 4,233684
19 Croat+Yoruk @ 4,25815
20 Croat+Turk_South @ 4,294187
21 Macedonian+Turk_Northwest @ 4,37599
22 Macedonian+Yoruk @ 4,390878
23 Montenegrin+Turk_Southwest @ 4,396226
24 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Central_East @ 4,437454
25 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Southeast @ 4,571502
26 R,Moldova_South+Turk_Northwest @ 4,582211
27 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,585178
28 Bosnian+Turk_Anatolia @ 4,604346
29 Serb+Turk_Anatolia @ 4,609667
30 Pomak+Yoruk @ 4,630306
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_Northwest +25% Italy_Campania +25% Veps @ 1,379283
2 50% Italy_Apulia +25% Komi +25% Yoruk @ 1,496848
3 50% Turk_Northwest +25% Italy_Sicily +25% Veps @ 1,531674
4 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Marche +25% Veps @ 1,57059
5 50% Turk_Northwest +25% Italy_Calabria +25% Veps @ 1,590413
6 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Finnish_West @ 1,628895
7 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Lazio +25% Veps @ 1,651323
8 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Calabria +25% Finnish_East @ 1,67452
9 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Calabria +25% Finnish_West @ 1,683746
10 50% Turk_Northwest +25% Ashkenazi_Jews +25% Veps @ 1,693657
11 50% Turk_West_BlackSea +25% Italy_Lazio +25% Komi @ 1,719622
12 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Finnish_West +25% MD_Jewish @ 1,72086
13 50% Turk_Northwest +25% Italy_Abruzzo +25% Veps @ 1,725461
14 50% Turk_South +25% Italy_Liguria +25% Veps @ 1,765984
15 50% Turk_West_BlackSea +25% Italy_Marche +25% Komi @ 1,781487
16 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Campania +25% Finnish_East @ 1,791036
17 50% Turk_West_BlackSea +25% Italy_Romagna +25% Komi @ 1,796324
18 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Abruzzo +25% Veps @ 1,805775
19 50% Turk_South +25% Italy_Tuscany +25% Veps @ 1,830213
20 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Campania +25% Karelian @ 1,833792
21 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Calabria +25% Karelian @ 1,840054
22 50% Gagauz +25% Bashkir +25% Nusayri_Turkey @ 1,849192
23 50% Turk_South +25% Italy_Romagna +25% Veps @ 1,860869
24 50% Turk_Northwest +25% Veps +25% MD_Jewish @ 1,862467
25 50% Turk_Northwest +25% Sephardic_Jews +25% Karelian @ 1,877716
26 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Italy_Sicily +25% Finnish_West @ 1,907323
27 50% Turk_Southwest +25% Greek_Crete +25% Finnish_West @ 1,914092
28 50% Italy_Apulia +25% Komi +25% Turk_Southwest @ 1,917226
29 50% Turk_Anatolia +25% Italy_Romagna +25% Veps @ 1,934461
30 50% Turk_Northwest +25% Sephardic_Jews +25% Finnish_East @ 1,935573
10293953 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cypriots+Italy_Apulia+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Finnish_W est @ 1,293183
2 Ashkenazi_Jews+Greek_Cappadocia+Turkmen_Uzbekistan +Finnish_West @ 1,329106
3 Cypriots+Italy_Abruzzo+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Karelian @ 1,334389
4 Komi+Sephardic_Jews+Turk_Bulgaria+Turk_Southwest @ 1,344898
5 Italy_Campania+Turk_Northwest+Turk_Northwest+Veps @ 1,379283
6 Italy_Calabria+Komi+Turk_Greece+Turk_South @ 1,390112
7 Greek_Cappadocia+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Finnish_West+M D_Jewish @ 1,409923
8 Komi+Sephardic_Jews+Turk_Anatolia+Turk_Bulgaria @ 1,42529
9 Ashkenazi_Jews+Turk_Southwest+Yoruk+Finnish_West @ 1,429297
10 Ashkenazi_Jews+Turk_Anatolia+Yoruk+Finnish_West @ 1,430866
11 Ashkenazi_Jews+Turk_Central_West+Yoruk+Finnish_Wes t @ 1,456088
12 Komi+Sephardic_Jews+Turk_Bulgaria+Turk_Central_Wes t @ 1,467061
13 Komi+Sephardic_Jews+Turk_Bulgaria+Turk_South @ 1,468611
14 Ashkenazi_Jews+Komi+Turk_Greece+Turk_South @ 1,482216
15 Italy_Marche+Turk_Northwest+Turk_South+Veps @ 1,483753
16 Italy_Calabria+Turk_Southwest+Yoruk+Finnish_West @ 1,496287
17 Albanian_North+Ashkenazi_Jews+Azerbaijani+Mari @ 1,496714
18 Italy_Apulia+Italy_Apulia+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,496848
19 Bashkir+Bosnian+Georgia_Jews+Italy_Romagna @ 1,497863
20 Ashkenazi_Jews+Greek+Komi+Turkmen_Iran @ 1,515613
21 Ashkenazi_Jews+Turk_South+Yoruk+Finnish_West @ 1,527742
22 Italy_Sicily+Turk_Northwest+Turk_Northwest+Veps @ 1,531674
23 Cypriots+Italy_Abruzzo+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Finnish_ East @ 1,535094
24 Ashkenazi_Jews+Turk_West_BlackSea+Yoruk+Finnish_We st @ 1,56073
25 Italy_Marche+Turk_Central_West+Turk_Southwest+Veps @ 1,563481
26 Italy_Marche+Turk_South+Turk_Southwest+Veps @ 1,569591
27 Italy_Marche+Turk_Southwest+Turk_Southwest+Veps @ 1,57059
28 Italy_Lazio+Turk_Central_West+Turk_Southwest+Veps @ 1,572589
29 Komi+Sephardic_Jews+Turk_Bulgaria+Turk_West_BlackS ea @ 1,576749
30 Cypriots+Italy_Campania+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Karelia n @ 1,576824
31 Bashkir+Croat+Georgia_Jews+Italy_Lazio @ 1,578832
32 Albanian_Kosovo+Italy_Apulia+Mari+Turk_Southeast @ 1,57886
33 Bavarian_German+Druze+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,58126
34 Cypriots+Italy_Campania+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Finnish _East @ 1,582229
35 Italy_Campania+Turk_South+Yoruk+Finnish_West @ 1,585131
36 Italy_Campania+Turk_Northwest+Turk_Southwest+Veps @ 1,587243
37 Italy_Calabria+Turk_Northwest+Turk_Northwest+Veps @ 1,590413
38 Italy_Marche+Turk_Anatolia+Turk_Southwest+Veps @ 1,590519
39 Cypriots+Italy_Tuscany+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Mordovia n @ 1,591827
40 Cypriots+Italy_Lazio+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Veps @ 1,596184
41 Italy_Abruzzo+Turk_Northwest+Turk_Southwest+Veps @ 1,596581
42 Bashkir+Croat+Georgia_Jews+Italy_Marche @ 1,603123
43 Turk_Anatolia+Yoruk+Finnish_West+MD_Jewish @ 1,604442
44 Turk_Southwest+Yoruk+Finnish_West+MD_Jewish @ 1,606531
45 Turk_Central_West+Yoruk+Finnish_West+MD_Jewish @ 1,606819
46 Italy_Marche+Turk_Central_West+Turk_Northwest+Veps @ 1,608867
47 Bashkir+Georgia_Jews+Italy_FriuliVG+Pomak @ 1,61075
48 Italy_Calabria+Komi+Turk_Bulgaria+Turk_South @ 1,611523
49 Bashkir+Iranian_Jews+Italy_FriuliVG+Romanians @ 1,613981
50 Assyrian+Bashkir+Italy_FriuliVG+Romanians @ 1,616613
51 Greek_Crete+Komi+Turk_Greece+Yoruk @ 1,621409
52 Albanian_North+Italy_Apulia+Mari+Turk_Southeast @ 1,622629
53 Greek+Nusayri_Turkey+Turkmen_Uzbekistan+Finnish_We st @ 1,622632
54 Albanian_North+Azerbaijani+Mari+MD_Jewish @ 1,62497
55 Italy_Marche+Turk_Anatolia+Turk_Northwest+Veps @ 1,628473
56 Ashkenazi_Jews+Turk_Southwest+Turk_Southwest+Finni sh_West @ 1,628895
57 Ashkenazi_Jews+Gagauz+Turk_Central_West+Udmurt @ 1,629884
58 Italy_FriuliVG+Komi+Nusayri_Turkey+Yoruk @ 1,63212
59 Italy_Calabria+Turk_West_BlackSea+Yoruk+Finnish_We st @ 1,633266
60 Italy_Lazio+Turk_Anatolia+Turk_Southwest+Veps @ 1,633483
81138076 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,421402

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,616083
2 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 5,543594
3 Turk_Greece @ 6,914673
4 Turk_Northwest @ 8,186246
5 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 8,310079
6 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 8,84677
7 Turk_Southwest @ 9,620332
8 HUN_Szekely @ 9,744498
9 Turk_Central_West @ 10,516018
10 Turk_Anatolia @ 10,691
11 Yoruk @ 10,87166
12 R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 10,923781
13 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 11,559291
14 R,Moldova_South @ 11,621142
15 Qumuq @ 11,675156
16 Turk_South @ 11,695097
17 Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 12,122635
18 Turk_Central_East @ 12,12772
19 Turk_Macedonia @ 12,719938
20 Gagauz @ 12,881814
21 Yagnobi @ 13,116165
22 Pomak @ 13,544097
23 Turk_Southeast @ 13,621723
24 Karachay @ 13,677508
25 Serb @ 13,709929
26 Ashkenazi_Jews @ 13,945305
27 Azerbaijani @ 14,014896
28 Balkar @ 14,185531
29 Azerbaijani_Turkey @ 14,206034
30 Montenegrin @ 14,320608
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Montenegrin+Yoruk @ 3,270884
2 Bosnian+Yoruk @ 3,474445
3 Serb+Yoruk @ 3,489812
4 Romanians+Yoruk @ 3,504688
5 Bulgarians+Yoruk @ 3,625597
6 Bulgarian+Yoruk @ 3,664217
7 Macedonian+Yoruk @ 3,699134
8 Montenegrin+Turk_Northwest @ 3,775469
9 Cypriots+Udmurt @ 3,816985
10 Cypriots+Komi @ 3,829029
11 Serb+Turk_Northwest @ 3,860207
12 Hungarians+Yoruk @ 3,868906
13 Croat+Yoruk @ 3,880208
14 Pomak+Yoruk @ 3,883285
15 Serb+Turk_Southwest @ 3,905479
16 Montenegrin+Turk_Southwest @ 3,922484
17 Bosnian+Turk_Southwest @ 3,942568
18 Bosnian+Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 3,944097
19 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 3,96686
20 Bosnian+Turk_Northwest @ 3,97077
21 HUN_Szekely+Turk_West_BlackSea @ 3,976425
22 Macedonian+Turk_Northwest @ 3,986625
23 Pomak+Turk_Northwest @ 4,001955
24 Serb+Turk_Central_Black_Sea @ 4,005834
25 Greek_Cappadocia+Komi @ 4,013694
26 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Anatolia @ 4,024856
27 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Central_West @ 4,042093
28 Romanians+Turk_Northwest @ 4,056839
29 Bulgarian+Turk_Northwest @ 4,058192
30 HUN_Szekely+Turk_Southwest @ 4,109846
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Udmurt +25% Yoruk @ 1,813285
2 50% Greek +25% Komi +25% Yoruk @ 2,023129
3 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Italy_Abruzzo +25% Udmurt @ 2,425198
4 50% Greek +25% Turk_Central_West +25% Udmurt @ 2,489801
5 50% Albanian_North +25% Azerbaijan_Jews +25% Mari @ 2,586205
6 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Yoruk +25% Finnish_West @ 2,589316
7 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Italy_Lazio +25% Udmurt @ 2,589609
8 50% Greek +25% Turk_Anatolia +25% Udmurt @ 2,640968
9 50% Greek +25% Turk_Central_East +25% Udmurt @ 2,654861
10 50% Yoruk +25% Greek +25% Finnish_West @ 2,669681
11 50% Greek +25% Turk_West_BlackSea +25% Udmurt @ 2,682565
12 50% Albanian_North +25% Mari +25% Udi_Azerbaijan @ 2,696034
13 50% Albanian_Kosovo +25% Mari +25% Udi_Azerbaijan @ 2,704168
14 50% Greek +25% Turk_Southwest +25% Udmurt @ 2,713714
15 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Italy_Abruzzo +25% Mari @ 2,730046
16 50% Albanian_North +25% Armenian_West +25% Mari @ 2,754722
17 50% Greek +25% Turk_South +25% Udmurt @ 2,755073
18 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Italy_Lazio +25% Mari @ 2,761784
19 50% Albanian_North +25% Assyrian +25% Mari @ 2,790435
20 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Yoruk +25% Veps @ 2,804265
21 50% Albanian_Kosovo +25% Armenian_West +25% Mari @ 2,805863
22 50% Albanian_North +25% Mari +25% Zaza @ 2,822938
23 50% Albanian_Kosovo +25% Azerbaijan_Jews +25% Mari @ 2,824578
24 50% Greek +25% Turk_Northwest +25% Udmurt @ 2,827024
25 50% Greek +25% Yoruk +25% Veps @ 2,841966
26 50% Greek +25% Turk_Central_Black_Sea +25% Udmurt @ 2,851289
27 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Greek_Crete +25% Udmurt @ 2,852771
28 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Italy_Campania +25% Udmurt @ 2,886331
29 50% Crimean_Tatar_Coast +25% Italy_Marche +25% Udmurt @ 2,890271
30 50% Greek_Cappadocia +25% Bosnian +25% Mari @ 2,89883
17950746 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_FriuliVG+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,621502
2 Greek+Greek+Udmurt+Yoruk @ 1,813285
3 Albanian_North+Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,816769
4 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_Trentino+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,826626
5 Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Montenegrin+Yoruk @ 1,861943
6 Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Romanians+Yoruk @ 1,886189
7 Cypriots+Komi+Montenegrin+Yoruk @ 1,904832
8 Albanian_Kosovo+Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,914637
9 Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Swiss_Italian+Yoruk @ 1,940027
10 Cypriots+Italy_FriuliVG+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,942283
11 Bulgarian+Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,957996
12 Bulgarians+Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,975173
13 Crimean_Tatar_Coast+Greek+Komi+Yoruk @ 1,984809
14 Cypriots+Komi+Romanians+Yoruk @ 1,987248
15 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_FriuliVG+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,008358
16 Greek+Greek+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,023129
17 Cypriots+Qumuq+Swiss_Italian+Udmurt @ 2,037584
18 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_Lombardy+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,037704
19 Cypriots+Italy_Trentino+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,040354
20 Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Macedonian+Yoruk @ 2,045289
21 Cypriots+Komi+Macedonian+Yoruk @ 2,074379
22 Albanian_Kosovo+Greek_Cappadocia+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,084074
23 Crimean_Tatar_Coast+Greek_Cappadocia+Yoruk+Finnish _West @ 2,085158
24 Albanian_North+Greek_Cappadocia+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,093442
25 Greek_Cappadocia+Romanians+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,095598
26 Bulgarian+Cypriots+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,151252
27 Cypriots+Italy_Trentino+Qumuq+Udmurt @ 2,156869
28 Cypriots+Italy_Lombardy+Qumuq+Udmurt @ 2,160658
29 Cypriots+Italy_FriuliVG+Qumuq+Udmurt @ 2,161297
30 Bavarian_German+Cypriots+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,190668
31 Albanian_North+Cypriots+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,191555
32 Bosnian+Cypriots+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,192045
33 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_Veneto+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,197818
34 Greek_Pontus+Italy_Trentino+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,206568
35 Greek_Cappadocia+Montenegrin+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,20682
36 Cypriots+Mari+Qumuq+Swiss_Italian @ 2,208212
37 Azerbaijan_Jews+Italy_Trentino+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,217846
38 Bulgarian+Greek_Cappadocia+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,226291
39 Gagauz+Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,228346
40 Albanian_Kosovo+Cypriots+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,228883
41 Cypriots+Komi+Serb+Yoruk @ 2,231094
42 Greek_Pontus+Komi+Swiss_Italian+Yoruk @ 2,232392
43 Gagauz+Greek_Cappadocia+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,236133
44 Azerbaijan_Jews+Italy_Lazio+Mari+Romanians @ 2,242612
45 Greek_Cappadocia+Komi+Pomak+Yoruk @ 2,244009
46 Greek_Pontus+Italy_FriuliVG+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,250657
47 Azerbaijan_Jews+Swiss_Italian+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,253904
48 Azerbaijan_Jews+France_Corsica+Mari+Romanians @ 2,258749
49 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_Trentino+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,269714
50 Cypriots+Montenegrin+Udmurt+Yoruk @ 2,270693
51 Armenian_West+Italy_Lazio+Mari+Romanians @ 2,271884
52 Cypriots+Italy_Trentino+Udmurt+Yoruk @ 2,272021
53 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_Liguria+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,272479
54 Cypriots+Komi+Swiss_Italian+Yoruk @ 2,273986
55 Armenian_West+Italy_Trentino+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,274098
56 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_Tuscany+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,283733
57 Bulgarians+Cypriots+Komi+Yoruk @ 2,288612
58 Greek_Cappadocia+Italy_Lombardy+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,289919
59 Greek_Cappadocia+Macedonian+Yoruk+Veps @ 2,293585
60 Cypriots+Italy_Lombardy+Mari+Qumuq @ 2,293601
472872024 iterations.

PuntDNAL K15 oracles are striking too.

Spoiler!

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.7% Montenegrin + 33.3% Turkmen @ 3.28
2 76.7% Greek_Thessaly + 23.3% Uzbek @ 3.55
3 67.1% Bulgarian + 32.9% Turkmen @ 3.6
4 75.1% Greek_Central + 24.9% Bashkir @ 3.63
5 81% Greek_Thessaly + 19% Hazara @ 3.88
6 80.3% Greek_Thessaly + 19.7% Uyghur @ 3.96
7 65.8% Romanian + 34.2% Turkmen @ 4
8 65.1% Sephardic_Jew + 34.9% Chuvash @ 4.19
9 64.9% Italian + 35.1% Turkmen @ 4.28
10 65.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 34.4% Bashkir @ 4.42
11 66.6% Macedonian + 33.4% Turkmen @ 4.49
12 63% Sicilian + 37% Bashkir @ 4.5
13 63.7% Montenegrin + 36.3% Nogai @ 4.52
14 73.2% Albanian + 26.8% Uzbek @ 4.71
15 54.1% Spaniard + 45.9% Turkmen @ 4.76
16 69.7% Ashkenazy_Jew + 30.3% Chuvash @ 4.76
17 77.6% Greek_Central + 22.4% Uzbek @ 4.81
18 76.3% Greek_Thessaly + 23.7% Bashkir @ 4.85
19 64.2% Bulgarian + 35.8% Nogai @ 4.87
20 67.2% Sicilian + 32.8% Chuvash @ 4.87

Why there are not any Tatar results of Eskisehir? On maps which shows east eurasian admix this province doesn’t show any special feature although in my knowledge there are a lot of Tatars?

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Why there are not any Tatar results of Eskisehir? On maps which shows east eurasian admix this province doesn’t show any special feature although in my knowledge there are a lot of Tatars?

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There are actually, there was a Nogai from Bursa who has 45% East Eurasian. Only natives are being added to these maps so Tatars excluded most of time.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

There are actually, there was a Nogai from Bursa who has 45% East Eurasian. Only natives are being added to these maps so Tatars excluded most of time.

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Nogai with 45% mongoloid? That is actually very big amount of east eurasian even for Nogai.
Imo it is very important to tell sth about the history of your family regarding genetics but aren’t they natives already. We once had here a result with obviously Tatar background.

Nogay. Crimea -> Dobruja -> Anatolia

y-DNA: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/

https://i.ibb.co/VNQxbvf/nogay.jpg

Code:

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Karakalpak @ 8,419448
2 Uzbek @ 13,046761
3 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 13,104901
4 Kazakh @ 15,274515
5 Uygur @ 16,194346
6 Bashkir @ 16,72267
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 18,279725
8 Hazara @ 19,084544
9 Kyrgyz @ 19,533409
10 Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 20,757812
11 Nogais @ 26,119795
12 Uzbeks @ 28,715708
13 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 29,151063
14 Yoruk @ 29,165221
15 Turkmen_Iran @ 29,720728
16 Altai @ 30,252289
17 Turk_Northwest @ 31,103723
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 32,387149
19 Turkmens @ 32,451239
20 Tajiks @ 32,485532
21 Turk_Southwest @ 32,621374
22 Rus_Pinega @ 32,700214
23 Mari @ 33,905332
24 Mongol @ 33,912591
25 Turk_Bulgaria @ 34,065894
26 Udmurt @ 34,777655
27 Pamiri_Shughnan @ 34,837973
28 Yagnobi @ 34,956702
29 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 34,993693
30 Pamiri_Rushan @ 35,240101
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak @ 4,770161
2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh @ 4,77375
3 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kyrgyz @ 5,560363
4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 6,215821
5 Karakalpak+Uzbek @ 7,367021
6 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Uygur @ 7,863796
7 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 7,885111
8 Kazakh+Uzbek @ 7,994195
9 Mongol+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,114817
10 Kazakh+Nogais @ 8,123219
11 Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 8,271884
12 Karakalpak+Karakalpak @ 8,419448
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 8,423815
14 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Hazara @ 8,720328
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,741879
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Kyrgyz @ 8,911536
17 Kazakh+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,919221
18 Kyrgyz+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,953308
19 Bashkir+Uygur @ 8,960296
20 Karakalpak+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9,211075
21 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Mongol @ 9,220672
22 Bashkir+Karakalpak @ 9,339194
23 Altai+Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 9,344107
24 Mongol+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 9,377959
25 Bulgarian+Mongol @ 9,592672
26 Gagauz+Mongol @ 9,694918
27 Mongol+Pomak @ 9,695233
28 Mongol+Turk_Greece @ 9,736249
29 Mongol+Romanians @ 9,819193
30 Altai+Turk_Bulgaria @ 9,833959
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kazakh +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 3,208146
2 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Ossetian @ 3,793423
3 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Hezhen @ 3,850046
4 50% Bashkir +25% Mongola +25% Ossetian @ 3,927515
5 50% Kyrgyz +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 3,946563
6 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 3,960473
7 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Balkar +25% Bashkir @ 4,036909
8 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 4,038591
9 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bashkir +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 4,041452
10 50% Bashkir +25% Karachay +25% Mongola @ 4,069752
11 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Mongola @ 4,095293
12 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Karachay @ 4,101446
13 50% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,110449
14 50% Karakalpak +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% Kazakh @ 4,115837
15 50% Kazakh +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 4,141758
16 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Ingush @ 4,155843
17 50% Karakalpak +25% Bulgarian +25% Kyrgyz @ 4,15737
18 50% Karakalpak +25% Kazakh +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,188157
19 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 4,195193
20 50% Karakalpak +25% Karakalpak +25% Nogais @ 4,198575
21 50% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,23804
22 50% Bashkir +25% Ossetian +25% Xibo @ 4,23886
23 50% Bashkir +25% Balkar +25% Hezhen @ 4,249611
24 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz @ 4,251028
25 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bulgarians +25% Uzbek @ 4,254552
26 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Daur @ 4,270433
27 50% Bashkir +25% Daur +25% Ossetian @ 4,283566
28 50% Karakalpak +25% Bulgarian +25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 4,293773
29 50% Bashkir +25% Balkar +25% Mongola @ 4,303427
30 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Bashkir +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 4,306929
10803782 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,033894
2 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,133439
3 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,2054
4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kazakh+Nogais @ 3,208146
5 Dargin+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,261588
6 Ket+Korean+Lak+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,275587
7 Avar+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,27591
8 Ket+Korean+Lak+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,289879
9 Hazara+Hungarians+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,296091
10 Avar+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,309217
11 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 3,318868
12 HUN_Szekely+Ingush+Ket+Korean @ 3,348606
13 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,367688
14 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 3,370286
15 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 3,37492
16 HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean+Kumyks @ 3,377004
17 Ket+Korean+Tabasaran+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,392301
18 Avar_Dagestan+Korean+Selkup+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,430671
19 HUN_Szekely+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,43287
20 Dargin+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,437605
21 Avar_Dagestan+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,442478
22 Croat+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,458789
23 Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz+Tabasaran @ 3,464015
24 Gagauz+Ket+Korean+Lak @ 3,474942
25 Bosnian+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,481901
26 Nogais+Oroqen+Slovenian+Uygur @ 3,482223
27 Kumyks+Kyrgyz+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,49168
28 Karachay+Komi+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,492521
29 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Greece @ 3,505
30 Chechen+HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean @ 3,507987
31 Avar+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,508751
32 Hungarians+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,510524
33 Hezhen+Mari+Nogais+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 3,522946
34 HUN_Szekely+Kyrgyz+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,524091
35 HUN_Szekely+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,525926
36 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Slovenian @ 3,538175
37 Circassian+HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean @ 3,548158
38 Croat+Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,553901
39 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,554731
40 Ket+Korean+Lak+R,Moldova_South @ 3,560305
41 Nogais+Oroqen+Slovak+Uygur @ 3,565633
42 Avar+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,571376
43 Kumyks+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,576661
44 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,578754
45 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Turk_Greece @ 3,583084
46 Dargin+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,58749
47 Bosnian+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,595213
48 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Ukrainian @ 3,598195
49 Kumyks+Kyrgyz+Oroqen+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,605732
50 HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean+Ossetian @ 3,607712
51 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,610823
52 Ket+Korean+Lak+Turk_Greece @ 3,611244
53 Avar+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,611348
54 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Macedonia @ 3,615132
55 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Pomak @ 3,615161
56 Ket+Korean+Lezgin+Romanians @ 3,617495
57 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak+Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 3,620179
58 Bosnian+Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,625211
59 Bosnian+Kyrgyz+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,640308
60 Korean+Qumuq+Selkup+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,646359
86504404 iterations.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Nogai with 45% mongoloid? That is actually very big amount of east eurasian even for Nogai.
Imo it is very important to tell sth about the history of your family regarding genetics but aren’t they natives already. We once had here a result with obviously Tatar background.

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One type of Nogai is over 40% Mongoloid another is around 25%, sometimes as low as 20. I do not know how to tell them apart (other from genetics) but obviously there are 2 different groups with the same name otherwise I doubt there would be such a big difference in the same group

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Nogay. Crimea -> Dobruja -> Anatolia

y-DNA: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/

https://i.ibb.co/VNQxbvf/nogay.jpg

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Karakalpak @ 8,419448
2 Uzbek @ 13,046761
3 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe @ 13,104901
4 Kazakh @ 15,274515
5 Uygur @ 16,194346
6 Bashkir @ 16,72267
7 Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 18,279725
8 Hazara @ 19,084544
9 Kyrgyz @ 19,533409
10 Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 20,757812
11 Nogais @ 26,119795
12 Uzbeks @ 28,715708
13 Tajik_Tajikistan @ 29,151063
14 Yoruk @ 29,165221
15 Turkmen_Iran @ 29,720728
16 Altai @ 30,252289
17 Turk_Northwest @ 31,103723
18 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 32,387149
19 Turkmens @ 32,451239
20 Tajiks @ 32,485532
21 Turk_Southwest @ 32,621374
22 Rus_Pinega @ 32,700214
23 Mari @ 33,905332
24 Mongol @ 33,912591
25 Turk_Bulgaria @ 34,065894
26 Udmurt @ 34,777655
27 Pamiri_Shughnan @ 34,837973
28 Yagnobi @ 34,956702
29 Turk_West_BlackSea @ 34,993693
30 Pamiri_Rushan @ 35,240101
335 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak @ 4,770161
2 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh @ 4,77375
3 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kyrgyz @ 5,560363
4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 6,215821
5 Karakalpak+Uzbek @ 7,367021
6 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Uygur @ 7,863796
7 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 7,885111
8 Kazakh+Uzbek @ 7,994195
9 Mongol+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,114817
10 Kazakh+Nogais @ 8,123219
11 Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 8,271884
12 Karakalpak+Karakalpak @ 8,419448
13 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 8,423815
14 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Hazara @ 8,720328
15 Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,741879
16 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Kyrgyz @ 8,911536
17 Kazakh+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 8,919221
18 Kyrgyz+Turk_Bulgaria @ 8,953308
19 Bashkir+Uygur @ 8,960296
20 Karakalpak+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 9,211075
21 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain+Mongol @ 9,220672
22 Bashkir+Karakalpak @ 9,339194
23 Altai+Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 9,344107
24 Mongol+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 9,377959
25 Bulgarian+Mongol @ 9,592672
26 Gagauz+Mongol @ 9,694918
27 Mongol+Pomak @ 9,695233
28 Mongol+Turk_Greece @ 9,736249
29 Mongol+Romanians @ 9,819193
30 Altai+Turk_Bulgaria @ 9,833959
56280 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Kazakh +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 3,208146
2 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Ossetian @ 3,793423
3 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Hezhen @ 3,850046
4 50% Bashkir +25% Mongola +25% Ossetian @ 3,927515
5 50% Kyrgyz +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 3,946563
6 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 3,960473
7 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Balkar +25% Bashkir @ 4,036909
8 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Nogais @ 4,038591
9 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bashkir +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 4,041452
10 50% Bashkir +25% Karachay +25% Mongola @ 4,069752
11 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Mongola @ 4,095293
12 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Karachay @ 4,101446
13 50% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,110449
14 50% Karakalpak +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain +25% Kazakh @ 4,115837
15 50% Kazakh +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 4,141758
16 50% Bashkir +25% Hezhen +25% Ingush @ 4,155843
17 50% Karakalpak +25% Bulgarian +25% Kyrgyz @ 4,15737
18 50% Karakalpak +25% Kazakh +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,188157
19 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bashkir +25% Karachay @ 4,195193
20 50% Karakalpak +25% Karakalpak +25% Nogais @ 4,198575
21 50% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Turk_Bulgaria @ 4,23804
22 50% Bashkir +25% Ossetian +25% Xibo @ 4,23886
23 50% Bashkir +25% Balkar +25% Hezhen @ 4,249611
24 50% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe +25% Karakalpak +25% Kyrgyz @ 4,251028
25 50% Kyrgyz +25% Bulgarians +25% Uzbek @ 4,254552
26 50% Bashkir +25% Circassian +25% Daur @ 4,270433
27 50% Bashkir +25% Daur +25% Ossetian @ 4,283566
28 50% Karakalpak +25% Bulgarian +25% Kyrgyz_Bishkek @ 4,293773
29 50% Bashkir +25% Balkar +25% Mongola @ 4,303427
30 50% Kyrgyz_Bishkek +25% Bashkir +25% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 4,306929
10803782 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,033894
2 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,133439
3 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,2054
4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kazakh+Nogais @ 3,208146
5 Dargin+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,261588
6 Ket+Korean+Lak+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,275587
7 Avar+Ket+Korean+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,27591
8 Ket+Korean+Lak+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,289879
9 Hazara+Hungarians+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,296091
10 Avar+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz @ 3,309217
11 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 3,318868
12 HUN_Szekely+Ingush+Ket+Korean @ 3,348606
13 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,367688
14 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Kazakh+Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 3,370286
15 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Nogais @ 3,37492
16 HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean+Kumyks @ 3,377004
17 Ket+Korean+Tabasaran+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,392301
18 Avar_Dagestan+Korean+Selkup+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,430671
19 HUN_Szekely+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,43287
20 Dargin+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,437605
21 Avar_Dagestan+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,442478
22 Croat+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,458789
23 Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_Gagauz+Tabasaran @ 3,464015
24 Gagauz+Ket+Korean+Lak @ 3,474942
25 Bosnian+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,481901
26 Nogais+Oroqen+Slovenian+Uygur @ 3,482223
27 Kumyks+Kyrgyz+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,49168
28 Karachay+Komi+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,492521
29 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Greece @ 3,505
30 Chechen+HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean @ 3,507987
31 Avar+Gagauz+Ket+Korean @ 3,508751
32 Hungarians+Nogais+Oroqen+Uygur @ 3,510524
33 Hezhen+Mari+Nogais+Turkmen_Uzbekistan @ 3,522946
34 HUN_Szekely+Kyrgyz+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,524091
35 HUN_Szekely+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,525926
36 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Slovenian @ 3,538175
37 Circassian+HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean @ 3,548158
38 Croat+Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,553901
39 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,554731
40 Ket+Korean+Lak+R,Moldova_South @ 3,560305
41 Nogais+Oroqen+Slovak+Uygur @ 3,565633
42 Avar+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,571376
43 Kumyks+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Oroqen+Slovak @ 3,576661
44 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,578754
45 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Turk_Greece @ 3,583084
46 Dargin+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,58749
47 Bosnian+Kyrgyz_Bishkek+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,595213
48 Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen+Ukrainian @ 3,598195
49 Kumyks+Kyrgyz+Oroqen+Sorb_Lusatia @ 3,605732
50 HUN_Szekely+Ket+Korean+Ossetian @ 3,607712
51 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Romanians @ 3,610823
52 Ket+Korean+Lak+Turk_Greece @ 3,611244
53 Avar+Ket+Korean+R,Moldova_South @ 3,611348
54 Dargin+Ket+Korean+Turk_Macedonia @ 3,615132
55 Avar_Dagestan+Ket+Korean+Pomak @ 3,615161
56 Ket+Korean+Lezgin+Romanians @ 3,617495
57 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe+Karakalpak+Kyrgyz+Nogais @ 3,620179
58 Bosnian+Hazara+Nogais+Oroqen @ 3,625211
59 Bosnian+Kyrgyz+Lak+Oroqen @ 3,640308
60 Korean+Qumuq+Selkup+Turk_Bulgaria @ 3,646359
86504404 iterations.

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Interesting, they are clustering with Central Asian Kipchaks.

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

One type of Nogai is over 40% Mongoloid another is around 25%, sometimes as low as 20. I do not know how to tell them apart (other from genetics) but obviously there are 2 different groups with the same name otherwise I doubt there would be such a big difference in the same group

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I know that there are two kinds of Nogais but i wouldn’t expect this kind of differences and that amount of mongoloid Dna.

The guy from the Iraqi project is really impressing me with how he can find individuals from certain minority populations and test them.

He recently tested two Assyrians(Chaldean Catholics) from Suleymaniyya in Northeastern Iraq, the native Assyrians there probably number less than 500.
The first two are uncle/nephew or grandfather/grandson. The third one is more distantly related to them.

Gedrosia 18.18 Pct
Siberian 1.68 Pct
Northwest_African 1.52 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 12.79 Pct
North_European 1.61 Pct
South_Asian 0.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 19.84 Pct
East_Asian 0.18 Pct
Caucasus 43.82 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Assyrian_Suleymaniyya1
3.96940802 Assyrian_South
4.00361087 Iraqi_Jew
4.15561067 Assyrian_West
4.42512147 Assyrian_North
4.45838536 Mandean
6.73484966 Uzbekistan_Jews
7.20360327 Nusayri_Turkey
7.37877361 Armenian_West
8.70848437 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.83267796 Iranian_Jews
9.51536652 Azerbaijan_Jews
9.79560616 Turkmen_Iraq
9.95782105 Lebanese
10.25568623 Armenian_East
10.26343510 Turk_East
10.42847065 Georgia_Jews
11.18435067 Palestinian_Christian
11.26152299 Zaza
11.48663136 Syria_SW_Christian
11.65728528 Druze
11.78263977 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.80333427 Kurd_Kurmanji
11.81451226 Turk_Southeast
12.05990879 Kurd_Sorani
12.25717749 Greek_Cappadocia

Gedrosia 16.69 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.70 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.96 Pct
North_European 1.90 Pct
South_Asian 2.19 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 19.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.60 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Assyrian_Suleymaniyya2
2.33225213 Assyrian_South
2.34121763 Assyrian_West
2.58687070 Assyrian_North
4.64067883 Iraqi_Jew
5.13393611 Armenian_West
5.90320252 Mandean
6.03103640 Azerbaijan_Jews
6.20672216 Uzbekistan_Jews
6.40588792 Iranian_Jews
6.51947851 Georgia_Jews
8.24459217 Armenian_East
8.82541217 Nusayri_Turkey
9.27572639 Druze
10.21212515 Turk_East
10.90024770 Lebanese
10.96028740 Greek_Pontus
11.09298427 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.60193949 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.81917510 Palestinian_Christian
11.90577171 Turk_East_Black_Sea
11.99715800 Greek_Cappadocia
12.19345316 Turkmen_Iraq
12.30461296 Syria_SW_Christian
12.54807953 Zaza
13.19389253 Hemshin

Gedrosia 16.88 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.30 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.84 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.63 Pct
North_European 1.73 Pct
South_Asian 0.34 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 20.23 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.06 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Assyrian_Suleymaniyya3
2.24254320 Assyrian_West
2.67972013 Assyrian_South
2.98251572 Assyrian_North
4.47294087 Iraqi_Jew
5.21886961 Armenian_West
6.23734719 Mandean
6.96576629 Azerbaijan_Jews
7.11813880 Uzbekistan_Jews
7.31832631 Iranian_Jews
7.68845238 Georgia_Jews
7.78041130 Nusayri_Turkey
8.70366589 Armenian_East
9.36117514 Druze
10.56942761 Turk_East
10.57070953 Lebanese
11.12243678 Palestinian_Christian
11.13622467 Greek_Cappadocia
11.32204045 Greek_Pontus
11.46031413 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.57612198 Syria_SW_Christian
12.08331494 Udi_Azerbaijan
12.36205485 Turkmen_Iraq
12.46658333 Turk_East_Black_Sea
12.98247280 Zaza
13.29833824 Syrians

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

I know that there are two kinds of Nogais but i wouldn’t expect this kind of differences and that amount of mongoloid Dna.

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Well remember Nogais like other Kipchaks have strong Mongol influence. Remember original Nogai horde is founded by Mongol tribes anyway so its expected. I don't have a citation for how much of them today are from it but its probably 50% mongol origin. Obviously they were 90% or more Mongoloid so after mixing with turks and other locals it balanced out to 40-45

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Nogay. Crimea -> Dobruja -> Anatolia

y-DNA: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/

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Is that a second generation person? How else could he have stayed so Mongoloid in a Turkish province? I think that sample has been shared here a few times before. 45% EE is insanely high!

These are also really interesting. Shabakis are from around Mosul and speak an Iranian language(Gorani) related to the Kurdish spoken around them but distinct from it. From what I've gathered the original Kurds of Northern Iraq spoke originally something similar to Gorani before shifting to Sorani and Kurmanji. Today many Shabaks inhabit the same settlements as the Assyrians around Mosul.

Gedrosia 26.14 Pct
Siberian 2.05 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.16 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.61 Pct
North_European 6.21 Pct
South_Asian 3.82 Pct
East_African 0.47 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.03 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 38.50 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Shabak1
3.46805421 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.48270010 Lur_Iran
3.56927163 Kurd_Sorani
4.21996445 Iranian
4.72253110 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.99805962 Zaza
5.46207836 Kurd_KAZ
5.51192344 Iranian_Fars
5.83312952 Turkmen_Iraq
5.99879988 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.61047305 Azerbaijani
8.20639385 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.57700997 Iran_Mazandaran
9.92226789 Turk_Southeast
10.34401759 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.58306666 Iran_Khorasan
10.70448971 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.82264293 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.91830525 Turk_East
12.53255361 Mandean
12.96368389 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.19711711 Turk_Central_East
13.98741577 Turk_South
14.23031272 Assyrian_North
14.49267056 Assyrian_South

Gedrosia 21.61 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 3.23 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.78 Pct
North_European 3.76 Pct
South_Asian 4.45 Pct
East_African 0.44 Pct
Southwest_Asian 15.24 Pct
East_Asian 0.73 Pct
Caucasus 40.77 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Spoiler!

Shabak2
5.04658300 Turkmen_Iraq
5.47719819 Kurd_Sorani
5.60217815 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.90589536 Zaza
7.26911274 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.35106795 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.42566495 Uzbekistan_Jews
7.71390303 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.72833100 Mandean
7.77099736 Lur_Iran
8.31012034 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.44340571 Azerbaijani
8.62393182 Turk_Southeast
8.95622130 Kurd_KAZ
8.97353331 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.07946034 Turk_East
9.39617475 Assyrian_South
9.40674226 Assyrian_North
9.91804416 Assyrian_West
9.92806628 Iranian
10.19548429 Iranian_Fars
10.41885790 Iraqi_Jew
11.17014324 Turk_Central_East
11.22847274 Armenian_West
11.80294031 Armenian_East

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Well remember Nogais like other Kipchaks have strong Mongol influence. Remember original Nogai horde is founded by Mongol tribes anyway so its expected. I don't have a citation for how much of them today are from it but its probably 50% mongol origin. Obviously they were 90% or more Mongoloid so after mixing with turks and other locals it balanced out to 40-45

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Yes i know, Central Asian Kipchaks are like Turkic/Mongol mix but i thought Nogais are mostly, depending on which group, between 50-80% Turkic and 20-50% North Caucasian.

I find this person posted by Kaspias interesting - Pomak and Tatar
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ighlight=Pomak

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# Population Percent
1 North_European 24.95
2 Caucasus 24.13
3 Atlantic_Med 21.28
4 Gedrosia 8.13
5 Siberian 6.16
6 Southwest_Asian 6.15
7 East_Asian 4.41
8 Southeast_Asian 2.88
9 South_Asian 0.9
10 Northwest_African 0.72
11 Sub_Saharan 0.3

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Target: Tatar-Pomak
Distance: 1.3009% / 1.30091292 | ADC: 0.25x
34.4 Turk_Romania
21.2 Turk_Greece
15.8 Turk_Bulgaria
12.4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
7.4 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
3.8 France_Corsica
2.2 Yakut
2.0 Lahu
0.8 Canarias

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Originally Posted by Leto

Is that a second generation person? How else could he have stayed so Mongoloid in a Turkish province? I think that sample has been shared here a few times before. 45% EE is insanely high!

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The neighborhood they live in is where only Tatars and Balkan Turks live(Dobruja refugees). The same explanation how Balkan Turks ended up being still full Balkan Turk although living in Anatolia for 150 years. People tend to marry among their own community if they didn't grow up in crowded cities.

His wife is Nogay as well, so 3rd generation will be full Tatar too.

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For the situation of Crimean Tatars asked above; Crimean Tatars have more than one origin and migration waves that formed the Crimean Tatar community. Self-identified Nogay's were the last part of that migration wave who came from the Golden Horde as being Turko-Mongols. A mix of Mongols, Turks and natives ended up with around 40% EE as it seems.

The people who score 20-25% EE identify only as Crimean Steppe Tatars, and their settlements to Crimea/Dobruja line dates much before than Nogay's. These people is more likely to have none Mongolian origin.

Sephardic Jew from Thessaloniki (also credit to Kaspias)

Gedrosia 8.65
Siberian -
Northwest_African 6.36
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.91
North_European 6.37
South_Asian 1.25
East_African 0.27
Southwest_Asian 15.15
East_Asian -
Caucasus 34.74
Sub_Saharan 0.30

Distance to: Jew_Thessaloniki
4.70990446 Sephardic_Jews
5.51215022 Morocco_Jews
6.12491528 Italy_Calabria
8.27442596 Italy_Sicily
8.35580038 Ashkenazi_Jews
8.66667179 MD_Jewish
8.75638053 Greek_Crete
9.09301523 Italy_Campania
11.61354630 Italy_Abruzzo
12.23489142 Italy_Apulia

Target: Jew_Thessaloniki
Distance: 1.0470% / 1.04699323 | ADC: 0.25x
43.6 Sephardic_Jews
28.2 Morocco_Jews
23.6 Italy_Calabria
3.0 Brahui
1.0 Sardinian
0.6 Sindhi

Target: Jew_Thessaloniki
Distance: 1.9469% / 1.94691283 | ADC: 0.5x
35.4 Sephardic_Jews
34.4 Morocco_Jews
28.2 Italy_Calabria
1.2 Brahui
0.8 Balochi

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Sephardic Jew from Thessaloniki (also credit to Kaspias)

Gedrosia 8.65
Siberian -
Northwest_African 6.36
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.91
North_European 6.37
South_Asian 1.25
East_African 0.27
Southwest_Asian 15.15
East_Asian -
Caucasus 34.74
Sub_Saharan 0.30

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SW-Asians are still very Caucasian...

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

SW-Asians are still very Caucasian...

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Jews are not Caucasians (maybe the Bergjuden are, at least geographically and culturally). This is a Caucasian - a Georgian :)

Gedrosia 18.25 Pct
Siberian 2.14 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.05 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.33 Pct
North_European 9.45 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.78 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 51.00 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distanceto: Guram
3.70213452 Turk_Ahiska
5.82229336 Armenian_East
6.55242703 Turk_East
6.66828314 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.84435534 Turk_East_Black_Sea
7.92895958 Hemshin
8.18114295 Laz
8.78911258 Greek_Pontus
9.17196816 Abkhazian
9.67735501 Georgian_Turkey

Target: Guram
Distance: 2.0566% / 2.05659824 | ADC: 0.5x
77.4 Turk_Ahiska
16.6 Turk_East
4.0 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
2.0 Ossetian

Target: Guram
Distance: 1.0971% / 1.09705465 | ADC: 0.25x
84.4 Turk_Ahiska
8.4 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
6.0 Armenian_East
1.0 Nganassan
0.2 Selkup

Yes sure but they have huge amount of Caucasian admix.

Azeri from Aghjabadi District:

Gedrosia 19.92 Pct
Siberian 2.25 Pct
Northwest_African 2.14 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.52 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.31 Pct
North_European 9.60 Pct
South_Asian 0.85 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 10.00 Pct
East_Asian 4.53 Pct
Caucasus 40.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Azeri from Khachmaz District:

Population
Gedrosia 23.03 Pct
Siberian 0.78 Pct
Northwest_African 0.52 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.75 Pct
North_European 13.40 Pct
South_Asian 0.97 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.28 Pct
East_Asian 2.28 Pct
Caucasus 41.80 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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Edit:

Christian Arabs from Israel:

Population
Gedrosia 10.94 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.73 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 15.58 Pct
North_European 0.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.68 Pct
Southwest_Asian 23.77 Pct
East_Asian 0.42 Pct
Caucasus 42.96 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Population
Gedrosia 11.59 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.67 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 16.28 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 0.49 Pct
East_African 1.14 Pct
Southwest_Asian 24.01 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 41.81 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Population
Gedrosia 11.84 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 4.41 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 17.08 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 0.33 Pct
East_African 0.81 Pct
Southwest_Asian 24.65 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 40.88 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kyp probably posted those Azerbaijanis months ago...

Azerbaijani (Karapapak) from Armenia close to Turkey border:
YDNA: R1b M269

Gedrosian: 18.59
Siberian: 2.44
Northwest_African: 0.75
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.32
North_European: 8.01
South_Asian 3.09
East_African 0.49
Southwest_Asian: 12.38
East_Asian: 5.34
Caucasian: 41.58
SSA: 0.00


Distance to: Azerbaijani_West
3.88289840 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.80958418 Azerbaijani
5.10783712 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.60028571 Turk_Southeast
6.61955437 Turk_Central_East
7.04519695 Turk_East
7.57134070 Zaza
7.61254228 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.70472582 Turk_South
7.96843774 Kurd_Kurmanji
8.18427150 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.18513286 Turkmen_Iraq
8.27369929 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.00549277 Turk_Anatolia
9.26268320 Kurd_Sorani
9.32362590 Turk_Central_West
10.18191043 Uzbekistan_Jews
10.96175625 Kurd_KAZ
11.34617116 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.38725603 Armenian_East
11.64913731 Lur_Iran
11.73386978 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.73700558 Iranian
12.03359049 Turk_Southwest
12.36628885 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Azerbaijani_West
Distance: 1.6199% / 1.61994032 | ADC: 0.25x
78.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
14.0 Georgia_Jews
3.4 North_Ossetians
1.8 JPT30
1.4 Yemenese

No new results but an updated oracle - Afghan Tajik, partially from Badakhshan

European
East Eurasian
South Asian

Shamali,33.58,4.07,0,0,6.63,19.13,12.27,0.61,3.25,2.85,17.53,0.06

Distance to: Shamali
4.92574867 Pamiri_Ishkashim
6.09009031 Pamiri_Shughnan
6.75335472 Pamiri_Rushan
7.78790087 Pashtun_Kandahar
7.83010856 Tajiks
9.42365640 Tajik_Tajikistan
9.77409842 Yagnobi
10.23961913 Tajik_Kabul
10.37817421 Tajik_Herat
10.85422959 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa

Target: Shamali
Distance: 2.3756% / 2.37563731 | ADC: 0.5x
35.8 Pamiri_Ishkashim
30.0 Pamiri_Shughnan
20.0 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.4 Tajik_Herat
0.4 French_Basque
0.4 Tajiks

Target: Shamali
Distance: 1.0071% / 1.00714710 | ADC: 0.25x
33.6 Pamiri_Shughnan
27.2 Pamiri_Ishkashim
21.4 Pashtun_Kandahar
13.0 Tajik_Herat
2.8 Makrani
2.0 French_Basque

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Former TA member Registan (Rukha on Anthrogenica). He is both Tajik and Pashtun

Registan,35.52,2.11,0,0,0.39,17.99,16.65,0,3.39,3.07,20.50,0.38

Distance to: Registan
4.07889691 Pashtun_Kandahar
6.08628787 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
7.49567876 Pashtun_Tarkalani
7.54605857 Kho
7.89167916 Tajik_Kabul
8.06948573 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
8.83938912 Pamiri_Ishkashim
9.87359610 Kalash
9.92622788 Nuristani
10.11415345 Pashtun_Yusafzai

Target: Registan
Distance: 2.2428% / 2.24283610 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 Pashtun_Kandahar
39.2 Kho
9.4 Lak
0.6 North_Ossetians
0.4 Japanese
0.2 JPT30