It's Eurogenes! No! It's Polako! No way! It's...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
AlabamaMan!
Printable View
It's Eurogenes! No! It's Polako! No way! It's...Quote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
AlabamaMan!
Update...
Genetic substructures across Europe, part 2 - signals of a Finnic expansion into Europe
P.S. I won't be around much on forums etc. for the next 3 to 4 months, but will post updates at my blog, so plz check that regularly.
I need a bit of help interpreting my results :( im an idiot lol sorry
These results look as expected for someone of your ancestry. You've got a high North Atlantic score, as well as a somewhat higher than average South Euro result when compared to Brits and Irish. Your moderately low North Euro score shows that your North European ancestry is from west of Scandinavia. The East Euro and Baltic scores don't indicate anything but general allele sharing across Europe. There's no sign of Asian or African admixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
You'll be able to get a lot more info as the discussion gets going about this run, and various plots and graphs are generated by project members. Subsequent runs will give you futher details not seen here, because the reference samples and thus clusters will be somehwhat different.
What's your Eurogenes number?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
What is your Eurogenes ID? [EDIT: AlabamaMan, he's quick, he's strong, he's active ...]Quote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
My EU7c results:
South Euro: 0.265015
North Euro: 0.408191
East Euro: 0.04998
Baltic: 0.051269
Sub-Saharan: 0.00001
East Eurasian: 0.00001
North Atlantic: 0.225525
"Western" has disappeared, but I didn't have anything of it to begin with. "Northern" is much more dominant here, "Southern" is roughly the same, & "North Atlantic" has weakened considerably - by about 15 points. I wonder if this run will show any consistent pattern for the "North" vs. "North Atlantic" distinction.
thanks so much :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Polako
My EU7c results :)
South Euro:0.173366
North Euro:0.15097
East Euro:0.050161
Balto-Slavic:0.066516
North Atlantic:0.558967
Never a truer word spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAmerican
In fact, I'm gonna make a post about his Excel tool at my blog.
This new run looks quite accurate. For example, my results look close to the Dutch averages!
48.4 "Yellow (North Euro)" (Dutch average 49.88)
19.7 "Red (South Euro)" (Dutch average 10.03)
16.2 "Pink (North Atlantic)" (Dutch average 28.53)
06.3 "Aqua (Baltic or Balto-Slavic)" (Dutch average 8.17)
05.5 "Green (East Euro or Finnic)" (Dutch average 3.17)
02.3 "Blue (Sub-Saharan African)" (Dutch average 0.00)
01.3 "Dark Blue (East Eurasian)" (Dutch average 0.01)
So as can be expected, my Southern Euro is somewhat higher than Dutch presumably because of French Huguenot admixture. North Euro didn't budge, must have been higher to start off with. What gave was North Atlantic, lower than Dutch aves. And, of course, my small non-Euro admixture is present. ;)
The AlabamaMan's new scores:
Southern European: 6.11
Northern European: 62.75
Finnic: 0.25
Balto-Slavic: 4.46
SSA: 0
East Eurasian: 0.49
North Atlantic: 25.94
I'll make a RMSD calculator for this run, but it will have to be tomorrow night. It's almost 2 AM here and I need my beauty sleep. :)
Would north atlantic be considered celtic? Such as Scotland, Ireland, etc? I'm guessing that symbolizes my half Scottish? :)
Yeah, there was an issue before of your Sub-Saharan admix pushing up the South Euro portion of your genome. But after I added the African samples, that seems to have been resolved. Keep in mind also, that I now have 6 Dutch samples, some from south of the Rhine, as opposed to the two northerners I had previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
It's pre-Celtic, but yeah, today it certainly peaks in the former Celtic speaking areas of Northwestern Europe, like Ireland and Cornwall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
The southern euro is interesting, I only thought I was 12.5% Italian, what other areas does your southern euro plot cover :) ?
Well your SE is 17%, not that far off. But SE is not restricted to your Italian ancestry, for example UK averages 4% and France 25%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
If you're 12.5% Italian, then about 60-80% of your Southern European alleles came from that source. I haven't done any averages, but Brits carry about 4% of South Euro on average in this run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boadicea
These alleles don't necessarily represent recent Southern European ancestry in Northern and Eastern Europeans, but just allele sharing, because all of Europe was at some point populated from southern Europe. Most of the time they're like geographic coordinates, with South English more likely to carry more of them than North English, etc.
But peaks against people of similar background might reveal patterns in recent ancestry. So, for instance, if a Dane has 7% membership in the South Euro cluster, against the 2-3% of other Danes, then this might indicate admix from south of Denmark. And indeed that is the case in this run, with the Dane who has some German ancestry socring higher South Euro than the other Danes.
My, from this run:
Northern European: 48% (German average: 37%) Highest average: Sweden (59%)
Baltic or Balto-Slavic: 29% (German average: 20%) Highest Average: Lithuanians (85%)
Southern European: 14% (German average: 13%) Highest Average: Greeks (75%)
North Atlantic: 9% (German average: 26%) Highest Average: Ireland (65%)
Eastern European or Finnic: 0% (German average: 5%) Highest Average: North Russian (47%)
My updated results seem to show a higher "East Euro/Finnic" component in comparison to northern Euro, which perhaps explains some Finnic cousins in 23and me
North Atlantic - 77%
E Euro/Finnic - 16%
N. Euro - 6%
Yeah, the 16% is high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorcha
I'm not sure what that means. I suspect that it could be a signal of some really old stuff shared between Northern Europeans in the west and east before the Indo-Europeans expanded from Central Europe into those areas. Otherwise, some sort of Finnic via Norway is an option, but your N Euro is a bit low for that maybe.
South Euro - 43.95%
North Euro - 7.09%
East Euro or Finnic - 11.05%
Balto-Slavic - 26.22%
SSA - 0%
East Eurasian - 2.72%
North Altantic - 8.94%
:coffee:
7% Black Sea Goth then, congrats! ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Bastarnae
This run seems to be much more consistent overall than the last, but still the relation of the related components remains a problem if comparing whole populations:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311242785
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311238091
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311238091
Look how constant and smooth the line for combined North Atlantic and North Euro in the UK sample is, just like to be expected in a population. The extremes of North Atlantic : North Euro are just too extreme, something which repeats itself in the Continental Germanics and the Northern Europeans too, in which the pattern makes no sense at all, with some Swedes and Finns having zero North Atlantic, whereas in others it makes up more than the half of the Northern total.
Similar with Baltic vs. East Euro, though not as extreme.
Still one can read interesting things, for examples SE9 is more Eastern European than the Swedish average, but with very little East Eurasian (so not Finnic).
I add the Spaniards now, look how smooth and homogenous the line of total Northern vs. Southern becomes:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311239891
vs. the irregular behaviour of North Atlantic : North Euro.
Why should someone with 50 percent "North Euro" having no "North Atlantic" or vice versa?
If that would be related to a total change, possible, but if the general line is so homogenous, there is a problem.
French:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311243595
Irish:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311243593
Compare the Continental Germanics with the regular components:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311242785
With Northern total:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311242401
and Northern + Eastern total:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1311242401
EU7c
South Euro: 45.8% (Illyrian)
North Euro: 18.4% (Gothic)
East Euro or Finnic: 0.01%
Balto-Slavic: 32.4% (Serbian)
Eurasian: 0.01%
North Atlantic: 0%
Sub-Saharan: 0%
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/p...g?t=1311243476
Does anyone have an info about Albanians members and their results?
Hmm.
If I compare these results to say, the Dodecad Oracle ones, I see a slight correlation between my Northern results and the Oracle mix prediction.
But I couldnt find a similiar correlation with the North Atlantic result. (comparation Irish-Hungarian or Irish-Balkan led to identical results as for the average German)
This is a comparation of the Northern results with Oracle mix prediction:
Northern me: 48%
Northern average German: 37%
Oracle:
Me:
41.8% Hungarians + 58.2% Swedish_D
Average German:
46.6% Hungarians + 53.4% Swedish_D
Me:
46.8% Hungarians + 53.2% Norwegian_D
Average German:
50.1% Hungarians + 49.9% Norwegian_D
Me:
52.2% Swedish_D + 47.8% Slovenian
Average German:
46.5% Swedish_D + 53.5% Slovenian
The tendency is there, but far less pronounced.
And yeah, my extemely low North Atlantic doesnt makes Oracle predict lower Irish in pairwise mixes for me that what is normal.
Hmm
Go to 23andme.com then order your test and after you get your results back, submit your raw data to Polako.Quote:
Originally Posted by safinator
Here I go:
"Red (South Euro)" 44,74
"Yellow (North Euro)" 20,68
"Green (East Euro or Finnic)" 3,88
"Aqua (Baltic or Balto-Slavic)" 0
"Blue (Sub-Saharan African)" 0,86
"Dark Blue (East Eurasian)" 0
"Pink (North Atlantic)" 29,80
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polako
After the E7b run I never got to tell you, that the absence of an Anatolian, a Levantine and a North African component is most likely skewing the results for South Euros, nonetheless thank you for your effort.
My results, PT1:
South Euro: 38.65%
North Atlantic: 37.38%
North Euro: 18.01%
East Euro/Finnic: 3.81%
SSA: 1.91%
East Eurasian: 0.2%
My results(NO2)
North Atlantic : 39.52%
North Euro : 35.29%
Baltic or Balto Slavic : 14.32%
East Euro or Finnic : 10.42%
East Eurasian : 0.42%
South Euro : 0%
Sub-Saharan African : 0%
Mine (US83):
South Euro: 11.4262%
North Euro: 29.2893%
East Euro/Finnic: 2.2933%
Baltic/Balto-Slav: 9.5288%
Subsaharan African: 0%
East Eurasian: 0%
North Atlantic Euro: 47.4604%
I finished up the RMSD calculator for the EU7c run this morning. Here is a link to the new spreadsheet. I used OpenOffice again because Excel was being a pain.
Looks like I'm Scandian once again.
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k.../EU7cChart.jpg
My closest 10 groups are:
DK 4.66
SE 7.06
NO 7.14
US 9.65
Kent 10.70
NL 11.91
DE 11.91
AT 16.88 (Austria?)
CH 17.02 (Switzerland?)
Cornwall 17.14
Very nice AM, do you think you could make another one for me again? :D
Make on for me too... please:D
Sure. Here you go:Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...1EU7cChart.jpg
Your closest 5 are:
RS 5.29
RO 6.23
MD (Macedonia?) 6.75
HU 9.78
UA 16.15
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlabamaMan
Thanks man! Md is not Macedonia but Moldovia. Macedonia uses Mk (Makedonija). :)
I somehow left ze Germans out of the spreadsheet that I uploaded. Here is a link to a spreadhseet with them included. Sorry!
http://i54.tinypic.com/2v28nie.jpg
Piechart of mine. Ill have a look at the RMSD spreadsheet later if I have time.:)
Pallantides, here is your chart:
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...2EU7cChart.jpg
Your closest 5 are:
Kent 5.03
US 5.41
NO 6.81
AT 7.73
NL 7.79 (DE 7.79 too)
Why are you Northerners and Westerners scoring East Euro and/or Finnic whereas I have absolutely none? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peasant