Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Mik20

BTW that seal is from the oldest moldavian document preserved to this day, document of great simbolic, and not only simbolic, value for moldavians and Moldavia. To be found now in Bucharest as that the walachian thieves took it after 1859 to put it in their museums and archives. Fate shared by countless priceless moldavian documents and artefacts.

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The fact that this document survived is almost a miracle.

The Romanian national archives were deliberately destroyed by Austro-Hungarians during the German occupation of Bucharest in ww1. Only a few documents and artifacts were saved and sent to Russia for preservation from where most never returned. Not only that, but Russia targeted Moldova specifically, because they returned many Wallachian documents but almost none Moldovan - in an obvious effort to denationalize Moldovans.

You always seem to forget the shit Russia did to Moldova.

Romanian/Vlach/Wallachian stance on this: adviser to the former President of Romania warns the Rep. of Moldova:

"Moldovan identity means territorial claims to Romania and Ukraine." (hinting at the fact that historical Moldova was a Romanian state from the point of view of Romanians and that its history and identity belongs to Romania)

https://www.ziuaveche.ro/wp-content/...si-Ucraina.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

It has perspective in the right sectors, if the focus is appropriate. Traditional sectors like agriculture need innovation, investments and automation.
The most competitive sector and which brings the most added value is IT and most people who activate in this field are satisfied with their work conditions and wages.
Moldova as of late is placing itself as an outsourcing IT hub for businesses in Europe, US and Russia. For example the company that I work for is a subsidiary of the main branch in Lithuania, which in its turn contracts services in the UK.

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I wish you good luck, but the problem is that even if Moldova had a good plan and leadership the investment would still not come in.

This is because Moldova has placed itself in a grey area between 2 strategic blocks, where no one wants to invest for fears of exposing themselves to unpredictable political developments.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

Romanian/Vlach/Wallachian stance on this: adviser to the former President of Romania warns the Rep. of Moldova:

"Moldovan identity means territorial claims to Romania and Ukraine." (hinting at the fact that historical Moldova was a Romanian state from the point of view of Romanians and that its history and identity belongs to Romania)

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The Federal Republic of Moldova :lol:

The federalization of Rep of Moldova is a Russian plan to gain the political reins in Chisinau through the promise of tighter integration with Tiraspol.

It is such a pointless plan that even Russian tools like Voronin rejected it.

Well, I guess time will tell, but the moldavians have to truth behind them, so the final result is not difficult to anticipate.

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The Romanian national archives were deliberately destroyed by Austro-Hungarians during the German occupation of Bucharest in ww1. Only a few documents and artifacts were saved and sent to Russia for preservation from where most never returned. Not only that, but Russia targeted Moldova specifically, because they returned many Wallachian documents but almost none Moldovan - in an obvious effort to denationalize Moldovans.

You always seem to forget the shit Russia did to Moldova.

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So the Russians kept the moldavians documents hidden so nobody could see they were written in russian, filled with russian names, in their obvious effort to denationalize the moldavians? Makes a lot of sense. The rest is again typical romanian nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Mik20

Well, I guess time will tell, but the moldavians have to truth behind them, so the final result is not difficult to anticipate.

So the Russians kept the moldavians documents hidden so nobody could see they were written in russian, filled with russian names, in their obvious effort to denationalize the moldavians? Makes a lot of sense. The rest is again typical romanian nonsense.

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No Moldovan document archived in Bucharest was written in Russian. Older Moldovan documents were written in OCS and later in Romanian.

You have no idea what you're talking about, are you even Moldovan?

Nurzat, so where do you stand? Will you fight for Moldova?

BTW there can be no united Moldova. We took different paths. The best for the "moldoveans" is to have their own independent country, but it will never happen as they ceased being men generations ago.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

I wish you good luck, but the problem is that even if Moldova had a good plan and leadership the investment would still not come in.

This is because Moldova has placed itself in a grey area between 2 strategic blocks, where no one wants to invest for fears of exposing themselves to unpredictable political developments.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldov...tion_Agreement
https://eu4moldova.md/ro

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

No Moldovan document archived in Bucharest was written in Russian. Older Moldovan documents were written in OCS and later in Romanian.

You have no idea what you're talking about, are you even Moldovan?

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In the most important works dedicated to the old Russian language, the moldavian documents are extensively quoted for good reason.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

No Moldovan document archived in Bucharest was written in Russian. Older Moldovan documents were written in OCS and later in Romanian.

You have no idea what you're talking about, are you even Moldovan?

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Church Slavonic was used only in religious books, the Medieval Moldavian documents and chronicles are written in an old South-Western Russian dialect with some local changes.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

are you talking to me?
when did I say Western Moldova was Russified?? put the actual quote.

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Thread was made by Bosniensis and was purged, you stated Oghial is a russian loanword due to russification - you didn't realize it was used by several Moldavian authors and is a regional word in western Moldova as well. Nurzat can attest, since you replied to his list of Moldavian regional words.

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Thread was made by Bosniensis and was purged, you stated Oghial is a russian loanword due to russification - you didn't realize it was used by several Moldavian authors and is a regional word in western Moldova as well. Nurzat can attest, since you replied to his list of Moldavian regional words.

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No, I didn't.

I said oghial is a regionalism with a small spread, in places with many East Slavic speakers (which in Western part of Moldova are only a few), because it is not known by many Moldovans.

This has nothing to do with Russification. Russification is a deliberate political process. The use of words like oghial has nothing to do with it.

Stop putting words in my mouth. You and Nurzat do this all the time. Read properly what I say, not what you think I say.

Surname Balan
Could be either from Moldavia or R. Moldova, as I wasn't able to confirm the location. I sent an email, so hopefully they will confirm.

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	28.72
2	North_Atlantic	25.37
3	West_Med	15.23
4	East_Med	13.75
5	West_Asian	10.56
6	Red_Sea	1.85
7	South_Asian	1.45
8	Siberian	1.38
9	Oceanian	0.74
10	Amerindian	0.7
11	Sub-Saharan	0.26

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Serbian	3.27
2	Moldavian	5.29
3	Romanian	5.75
4	Croatian	8.14
5	Bulgarian	8.16
6	Hungarian	8.22
7	Austrian	11.85
8	East_German	13.2
9	Ukrainian_Lviv	14.43
10	South_Polish	15.19
11	Ukrainian	15.86
12	Greek_Thessaly	16.71
13	West_German	17.34
14	Polish	18.81
15	South_Dutch	18.91
16	Southwest_Russian	19.03
17	Ukrainian_Belgorod	19.21
18	French	19.27
19	North_Italian	19.5
20	Tatar	20.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		72%	Romanian	+	28%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	1.43
2		61%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	39%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	1.44
3		52.2%	Moldavian	+	47.8%	Romanian	@	1.44
4		81.6%	Moldavian	+	18.4%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	1.56
5		58.8%	Ukrainian	+	41.2%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	1.66
6		80.5%	Romanian	+	19.5%	Kargopol_Russian	@	1.71
7		82.4%	Romanian	+	17.6%	Estonian	@	1.72
8		59.2%	Romanian	+	40.8%	Croatian	@	1.75
9		77.4%	Romanian	+	22.6%	Polish	@	1.77
10		73.4%	Romanian	+	26.6%	South_Polish	@	1.79
11		74.2%	Romanian	+	25.8%	Ukrainian	@	1.79
12		80.7%	Moldavian	+	19.3%	Tuscan	@	1.81
13		64.6%	Serbian	+	35.4%	Moldavian	@	1.81
14		79.2%	Romanian	+	20.8%	Russian_Smolensk	@	1.81
15		82.9%	Romanian	+	17.1%	East_Finnish	@	1.86
16		73.9%	Croatian	+	26.1%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	1.88
17		82.3%	Romanian	+	17.7%	Finnish	@	1.9
18		83%	Moldavian	+	17%	West_Sicilian	@	1.92
19		83%	Romanian	+	17%	Lithuanian	@	1.92
20		79.8%	Romanian	+	20.2%	Estonian_Polish	@	1.98

From Botosani

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	26.54
2	North_Atlantic	24.93
3	West_Med	16.4
4	East_Med	15.34
5	West_Asian	12.19
6	Red_Sea	1.75
7	Siberian	1.24
8	East_Asian	0.9
9	Oceanian	0.49
10	Amerindian	0.2
11	South_Asian	0.02

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Romanian	3.34
2	Serbian	3.36
3	Bulgarian	5.67
4	Moldavian	8.04
5	Hungarian	10.59
6	Croatian	10.95
7	Austrian	13.51
8	Greek_Thessaly	14.25
9	East_German	15.27
10	Ukrainian_Lviv	17.3
11	North_Italian	17.6
12	West_German	17.97
13	South_Polish	17.98
14	Tuscan	18.46
15	Ukrainian	18.65
16	French	19.16
17	South_Dutch	19.54
18	Italian_Abruzzo	19.8
19	Central_Greek	20.86
20	Portuguese	21.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		92.3%	Serbian	+	7.7%	Balkar	@	1.4
2		92.1%	Serbian	+	7.9%	Kabardin	@	1.47
3		92.8%	Serbian	+	7.2%	North_Ossetian	@	1.51
4		93%	Serbian	+	7%	Ossetian	@	1.57
5		92.7%	Serbian	+	7.3%	Adygei	@	1.58
6		94.1%	Serbian	+	5.9%	Abhkasian	@	1.61
7		93.8%	Serbian	+	6.2%	Georgian	@	1.68
8		92.1%	Serbian	+	7.9%	Kumyk	@	1.7
9		92.6%	Serbian	+	7.4%	Chechen	@	1.78
10		73.5%	Romanian	+	26.5%	Moldavian	@	1.79
11		71.6%	Moldavian	+	28.4%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	1.86
12		86.3%	Romanian	+	13.7%	Ukrainian_Lviv	@	1.92
13		93%	Serbian	+	7%	Lezgin	@	1.96
14		92%	Serbian	+	8%	Nogay	@	1.98
15		89%	Romanian	+	11%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	1.98
16		86.9%	Romanian	+	13.1%	South_Polish	@	2
17		87.4%	Romanian	+	12.6%	Ukrainian	@	2.01
18		80.2%	Romanian	+	19.8%	Croatian	@	2.02
19		51.5%	Ukrainian	+	48.5%	Italian_Abruzzo	@	2.04
20		90.6%	Romanian	+	9.4%	Kargopol_Russian	@	2.05

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

From Botosani

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Give me his kit number.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Surname Balan
Could be either from Moldavia or R. Moldova, as I wasn't able to confirm the location. I sent an email, so hopefully they will confirm.

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Kit number please.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

No, I didn't.

I said oghial is a regionalism with a small spread, in places with many East Slavic speakers (which in Western part of Moldova are only a few), because it is not known by many Moldovans.

This has nothing to do with Russification. Russification is a deliberate political process. The use of words like oghial has nothing to do with it.

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most Moldovan-speaking county is Vaslui, this is where all these words are from, Vaslui is far away from any Slavic settlers place like Suceava or Maramures or even Botosani. the hundreds of local words of Old Slavic origin are in no way coming from Russians or Ukrainians, I bet they were inherited from our Early Slavic ancestors that Vlachs found in the region when they arrived. those words have been in use one thousand years ago as well, I bet. while Romanians in Suceava live next to Slavs and they don't use most words one can quote from Vaslui. so your theory has no ground. the Slavic Moldovan regional words are heritage from that side of our ancestry that is Early Slavic

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

most Moldovan-speaking county is Vaslui, this is where all these words are from, Vaslui is far away from any Slavic settlers place like Suceava or Maramures or even Botosani. the hundreds of local words of Old Slavic origin are in no way coming from Russians or Ukrainians, I bet they were inherited from our Early Slavic ancestors that Vlachs found in the region when they arrived. those words have been in use one thousand years ago as well, I bet. while Romanians in Suceava live next to Slavs and they don't use most words one can quote from Vaslui. so your theory has no ground. the Slavic Moldovan regional words are heritage from that side of our ancestry that is Early Slavic

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The point was that ogheal is a regionalism of limited spread. My mom is 100% Moldovan and never heard of ogheal. You're extending your own experiences to everyone else. That doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

The point was that ogheal is a regionalism of limited spread. My mom is 100% Moldovan and never heard of ogheal.

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well you said you are from an upper middle class family, maybe your folks spoke standard Romanian at home, there are some Moldovans that do that in that social class. anyway by your entire discourse on any topic you seem totally disconnected from the realities in Romania in general and in Moldova region in particular. countryside Vaslui is pure Middle Ages in language, mentality and looks

Ţîcu, Ungheni, R. Moldova, relative of the Eurogenes kit JR2297171

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	29.21
2	East_Med	21.13
3	North_Atlantic	18.73
4	West_Med	15.46
5	West_Asian	10.82
6	Oceanian	1.7
7	Red_Sea	0.92
8	Sub-Saharan	0.72
9	Siberian	0.68
10	South_Asian	0.39
11	Amerindian	0.23

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Bulgarian	6.23
2	Romanian	7.52
3	Serbian	9.23
4	Moldavian	11.27
5	Greek_Thessaly	13.37
6	Croatian	14.21
7	Hungarian	15.87
8	Ukrainian_Lviv	19.71
9	Central_Greek	19.82
10	Austrian	19.85
11	Italian_Abruzzo	20.49
12	Tuscan	20.6
13	Ukrainian	20.72
14	South_Polish	20.77
15	East_Sicilian	21.08
16	East_German	21.16
17	Ashkenazi	21.49
18	North_Italian	21.63
19	West_Sicilian	21.77
20	Southwest_Russian	22.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		61.7%	Ukrainian	+	38.3%	Cyprian	@	3.64
2		56.6%	Estonian_Polish	+	43.4%	Cyprian	@	4.12
3		59.6%	Southwest_Russian	+	40.4%	Cyprian	@	4.23
4		53.5%	Central_Greek	+	46.5%	Southwest_Russian	@	4.29
5		55.8%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	44.2%	Algerian_Jewish	@	4.3
6		51.7%	Ashkenazi	+	48.3%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	4.31
7		56%	Belorussian	+	44%	Cyprian	@	4.34
8		52.1%	Lithuanian	+	47.9%	Cyprian	@	4.34
9		58.1%	Polish	+	41.9%	Cyprian	@	4.45
10		56.9%	Russian_Smolensk	+	43.1%	Cyprian	@	4.46
11		61.8%	South_Polish	+	38.2%	Cyprian	@	4.47
12		56.1%	Southwest_Russian	+	43.9%	Algerian_Jewish	@	4.5
13		51.7%	Southwest_Russian	+	48.3%	South_Italian	@	4.51
14		51.4%	Ashkenazi	+	48.6%	Southwest_Russian	@	4.52
15		56%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	+	44%	Italian_Jewish	@	4.53
16		63.1%	Ukrainian_Lviv	+	36.9%	Cyprian	@	4.55
17		51.9%	Estonian	+	48.1%	Cyprian	@	4.59
18		53.8%	Central_Greek	+	46.2%	Ukrainian_Belgorod	@	4.6
19		66.1%	Ukrainian	+	33.9%	Lebanese_Christian	@	4.61
20		63.9%	Greek_Thessaly	+	36.1%	Southwest_Russian	@	4.63

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

well you said you are from an upper middle class family, maybe your folks spoke standard Romanian at home, there are some Moldovans that do that in that social class. anyway by your entire discourse on any topic you seem totally disconnected from the realities in Romania in general and in Moldova region in particular. countryside Vaslui is pure Middle Ages in language, mentality and looks

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You're just spouting stereotypes about Vaslui, you know nothing about it. I have deep family connections to the area and the Southern half of Moldova in general.

My mom comes from a rural family, not a poor one but not a rich one either. I know very well where the average sits in all respects.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

The point was that ogheal is a regionalism of limited spread. My mom is 100% Moldovan and never heard of ogheal. You're extending your own experiences to everyone else. That doesn't work.

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It's pretty common here. My grandma in Orhei uses iorgan though, which I haven't heard anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

It's pretty common here. My grandma in Orhei uses iorgan though, which I haven't heard anywhere else.

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I heard about iorgan but not ogheal. This is the deal with regionalisms.

@ixulescu

Romania is this: when I was a kid I was wiping with leaves and the toilet was either an outhouse either the cornfield - and so it was for most Romanians in the early 1990s. a few guys on a forum try to give people the impression Romanians spend their time on the internet, discussing culture... lol... people are falling on the street of hunger in Romania and we discuss of their "identity" xD we are shit-poor bro, let's make peace and go to better topics. you know why I love the low level of civilization us Romanians are on? because it puts us closer to our ancestors than to today's people, especially arrogant Westerners - their civilization is more alien to us than Papuans. I like to feel connected to our forefathers and to their way of life. when I was a kid Romania was middle ages with electricity. now it is middle ages with electricity and internet - and that's awesome. let's not spoil it. I've seen London and Bruxelles, we are way better off this way

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

@ixulescu

Romania is this: when I was a kid I was wiping with leaves and the toilet was either an outhouse either the cornfield - and so it was for most Romanians in the early 1990s. a few guys on a forum try to give people the impression Romanians spend their time on the internet, discussing culture... lol... people are falling on the street of hunger in Romania and we discuss of their "identity" xD we are shit-poor bro, let's make peace and go to better topics. you know why I love the low level of civilization us Romanians are on? because it puts us closer to our ancestors than to today's people, especially arrogant Westerners - their civilization is more alien to us than Papuans. I like to feel connected to our forefathers and to their way of life. when I was a kid Romania was middle ages with electricity

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I guess Russia is to blame for that. As if Russia was some kind of Switzerland with people bathing in money and gold :lol:

But at least fucking welfare seekers from the Global South have no reason to invade Romania. There is always a positive aspect to something.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I guess Russia is to blame for that. As if Russia was some kind of Switzerland with people bathing in money and gold :lol:

But at least fucking welfare seekers from the Global South have no reason to invade Romania. There is always a positive aspect to something.

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no immigration but local welfare seekers have 5.2 kids/woman so they will double with each generation. in the end they'll be majority and Romanians will mix in (some already do it). meanwhile most women date and marry foreigners (Italians, Greeks and Arabs especially). except for a few city downtowns and a few suburbs, Romania looks socially and economically apocalyptic

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Ţîcu, Ungheni, R. Moldova, relative of the Eurogenes kit JR2297171

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Kit number please.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

no immigration but local welfare seekers have 5.2 kids/woman so they will double with each generation. in the end they'll be majority and Romanians will mix in (some already do it). meanwhile most women date and marry foreigners (Italians, Greeks and Arabs especially). except for a few city downtowns and a few suburbs, Romania looks socially and economically apocalyptic

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Again you're painting an unrealistic picture. Romania has many faults, but it actually has an economy running, and somewhat working political and justice systems, unlike most of our neighbors.

You need to put this in your head, your experience in a god forsaken village is not what most Romanians go through in life.

And related to this is what I don't understand about you. You finished a college degree - why the fuck didn't you migrate, instead of feeding on sour grapes, like you do here everyday.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

And related to this is what I don't understand about you. You finished a college degree - why the fuck didn't you migrate, instead of feeding on sour grapes, like you do here everyday.

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I think large-scale emigration is actually a big problem for the Eastern EU. You guys need to bring back as many of your countrymen as possible. Maybe except for stupid liberals who love Western degeneracy. And the Roma of course.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

@ixulescu

Romania is this: when I was a kid I was wiping with leaves and the toilet was either an outhouse either the cornfield - and so it was for most Romanians in the early 1990s. a few guys on a forum try to give people the impression Romanians spend their time on the internet, discussing culture... lol... people are falling on the street of hunger in Romania and we discuss of their "identity" xD we are shit-poor bro, let's make peace and go to better topics. you know why I love the low level of civilization us Romanians are on? because it puts us closer to our ancestors than to today's people, especially arrogant Westerners - their civilization is more alien to us than Papuans. I like to feel connected to our forefathers and to their way of life. when I was a kid Romania was middle ages with electricity. now it is middle ages with electricity and internet - and that's awesome. let's not spoil it. I've seen London and Bruxelles, we are way better off this way

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Our country is 5 times poorer than Romania and still pretty livable and visibly in development/construction in the capital and surrounding region. Therefore, I'm sure that not a lot of people share the same experience.

September 2019
https://youtu.be/msprskG-g74

February 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCKif0N44rU

From Iasi

#	Population	Percent
1	Baltic	33.35
2	North_Atlantic	21.55
3	East_Med	17.78
4	West_Med	16.78
5	West_Asian	7.05
6	East_Asian	1.07
7	Red_Sea	0.86
8	Amerindian	0.76
9	Sub-Saharan	0.69
10	Siberian	0.11

Single Population Sharing:

#	Population (source)	Distance
1	Moldavian	7.62
2	Serbian	8.02
3	Romanian	9.18
4	Croatian	9.37
5	Bulgarian	9.61
6	Hungarian	12.18
7	Ukrainian_Lviv	14.83
8	Ukrainian	15.51
9	South_Polish	15.78
10	Austrian	16.36
11	East_German	17.05
12	Greek_Thessaly	17.72
13	Southwest_Russian	18.11
14	Ukrainian_Belgorod	18.57
15	Polish	18.87
16	Russian_Smolensk	20.31
17	Estonian_Polish	20.47
18	Belorussian	21.17
19	Kargopol_Russian	22.45
20	North_Italian	22.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

#		Primary Population (source)			Secondary Population (source)			Distance
1		68.9%	Ukrainian	+	31.1%	Algerian_Jewish	@	4.04
2		63.5%	Ukrainian	+	36.5%	Ashkenazi	@	4.08
3		59.4%	Greek_Thessaly	+	40.6%	Lithuanian	@	4.16
4		53.8%	Greek_Thessaly	+	46.2%	Estonian_Polish	@	4.18
5		70%	Bulgarian	+	30%	Estonian_Polish	@	4.33
6		50.6%	Greek_Thessaly	+	49.4%	Southwest_Russian	@	4.37
7		69.2%	Ukrainian	+	30.8%	Italian_Jewish	@	4.42
8		74.7%	Bulgarian	+	25.3%	Lithuanian	@	4.42
9		56.9%	Lithuanian	+	43.1%	Algerian_Jewish	@	4.42
10		54.7%	Greek_Thessaly	+	45.3%	Belorussian	@	4.44
11		62.4%	Estonian_Polish	+	37.6%	Algerian_Jewish	@	4.46
12		70.9%	Bulgarian	+	29.1%	Belorussian	@	4.52
13		59%	Estonian_Polish	+	41%	South_Italian	@	4.57
14		53.6%	Ukrainian	+	46.4%	Greek_Thessaly	@	4.57
15		67.5%	Bulgarian	+	32.5%	Southwest_Russian	@	4.57
16		65.4%	Southwest_Russian	+	34.6%	Algerian_Jewish	@	4.58
17		72.2%	Ukrainian	+	27.8%	Cyprian	@	4.61
18		55%	Estonian_Polish	+	45%	Central_Greek	@	4.62
19		53.4%	Lithuanian	+	46.6%	South_Italian	@	4.62
20		53.6%	Greek_Thessaly	+	46.4%	Russian_Smolensk	@	4.7

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Originally Posted by Leto

I think large-scale emigration is actually a big problem for the Eastern EU. You guys need to bring back as many of your countrymen as possible. Maybe except for stupid liberals who love Western degeneracy. And the Roma of course.

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Rest assured, Romania will do fine without me and Nurzat :lol:

Communists killed almost all the Romanian intellectual and professional class in late 40s - early 50s, and still Romania rebounded in a decade.

There's enough resource inside Romania to keep on growing. What's important for it is to stay true to the course.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Maybe except for stupid liberals who love Western degeneracy. And the Roma of course.

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Yo, am I being kicked out now?

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Yo, am I being kicked out now?

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You aren't even from Romania, that wasn't about you.

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Originally Posted by ixulescu

Again you're painting an unrealistic picture. Romania has many faults, but it actually has an economy running, and somewhat working political and justice systems, unlike most of our neighbors.

You need to put this in your head, your experience in a god forsaken village is not what most Romanians go through in life.

And related to this is what I don't understand about you. You finished a college degree - why the fuck didn't you migrate, instead of feeding on sour grapes, like you do here everyday.

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I am Moldovenist so I will never move outside Moldova. I also cannot live in apartment building so I could not stay in the city (I could barely do it in college, I lived on 10th floor). to buy a house in the city is impossible, only doctors can (don't tell me about affordable row houses, those are worse than apartments). so best option was countryside. and I enjoy it a lot, we only have one neighbour, for the rest it's field and forest is about 2 km away while lakes are 1km away. it's dirt or pebble roads but better this way, the area is not looked after, no sewage either, only water

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

I am Moldovenist so I will never move outside Moldova. I also cannot live in apartment building so I could not stay in the city (I could barely do it in college, I lived on 10th floor). to buy a house in the city is impossible, only doctors can (don't tell me about affordable row houses, those are worse than apartments). so best option was countryside. and I enjoy it a lot, we only have one neighbour, for the rest it's field and forest is about 2 km away while lakes are 1km away. it's dirt or pebble roads but better this way, the area is not looked after, no sewage either, only water

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your needs are special my man :lol:

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Originally Posted by Leto

You aren't even from Romania, that wasn't about you.

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Well, you were talking about Eastern EU. A lot of people in my generation share those values of equality, fair treatment based on meritocracy, and justice, which form the core of Western identiy.

irl I avoid interacting with people that leave their region - and I dislike a lot the Moldovans that go to Cluj Bucharest Timisoara "to study and work" - they will all stay there forever and become useless for Moldova region. why not study and work in Moldova for less money in order to upgrade region? between moving to another region in Romania and moving to another country I choose another country, at least I won't hear the shitty accents of the people in Romania's other regions. also I cut contacts with female relatives that married foreigners. they would be a bad example for my kid.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Well, you were talking about Eastern EU. A lot of people in my generation share those values of equality, fair treatment based on meritocracy, and justice, which form the core of Western identiy.

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I meant the Eastern members of the European Union. Whatever.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I meant the Eastern members of the European Union. Whatever.

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I see, but we're an associated state with a trade and political agreement, so we'll join them at some point too.