Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

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04-22-2021, 04:50 PM
Leto

A Kazakh from China (Chinese account, probably WeGene raw data)

Gedrosia 7.47 Pct
Siberian 23.48 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 4.9 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.36 Pct
North_European 15.11 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African 0.93 Pct
Southwest_Asian 0.13 Pct
East_Asian 32.16 Pct
Caucasus 7.88 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.49 Pct

Distance to: KAZ_China
3.98195932 Kazakh
6.46510634 Nogai_Astrakhan
6.65400631 Kyrgyz_Pamir
7.32744157 Kyrgyz
7.36488968 Karakalpak
8.74128137 Nogai_Stavropol
14.44196316 Tubalar
14.76578139 Uyghur
15.13798203 Altaian_Telengit
16.53500227 Khakass

Target: KAZ_China
Distance: 1.2182% / 1.21817652 | ADC: 0.25x RC
74.3 Kazakh
17.0 Nogai_Astrakhan
5.1 Han_central
2.6 French_Southwest
1.0 Sandawe_He

Target: KAZ_China
Distance: 1.7984% / 1.79843153 | ADC: 0.5x RC
58.1 Kazakh
36.9 Nogai_Astrakhan
5.0 She
04-22-2021, 11:46 PM
Kaspias

Matches of I, father, and paternal cousin. We match with these through my paternal grandmother's mother who is from Komotini, and from a village which is noted to has origins from Aydınoğlu and Menteşe.

All samples are from Muğla and from the same village. He speculated that they might belong to Kınık Tribe.

Code:

Population Gedrosia 13.07 Pct Siberian 6.86 Pct Northwest_African 2.26 Pct Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 13.8 Pct North_European 10.57 Pct South_Asian 2.09 Pct East_African - Southwest_Asian 8.02 Pct East_Asian 6.96 Pct Caucasus 36.38 Pct Sub_Saharan - Distance to: Nurdan 3.57056018 Turk_Southwest 5.21370310 Turk_West_BlackSea 5.41910509 Turk_Northwest 5.56893167 Turk_Central_West 5.65816225 Turk_South 5.81203923 Turk_Central_Black_Sea 7.73248343 Turk_Central_East 10.12473210 Turk_Southeast 11.60571842 Azerbaijani_Turkey 11.82271965 Azerbaijani 12.36240268 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain 13.39167652 Azerbaijani_Iran 14.36382957 Kabardin 14.50366161 Turk_East 14.63819661 Turk_Cyprus 14.99807321 Abazin 15.30024510 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 15.50713384 Greek_Crete 15.88029912 Circassian 15.88772797 Greek_Fournoi 15.98448310 Greek_Kos 16.36036980 Kumyk 16.42428689 Greek_Rhodes 16.64994895 Karachay 16.66753131 Turkmen_Iran

Code:

Population Gedrosia 14.12 Pct Siberian 7.99 Pct Northwest_African - Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 15.18 Pct North_European 8.86 Pct South_Asian 0.76 Pct East_African - Southwest_Asian 8.68 Pct East_Asian 6.95 Pct Caucasus 37.46 Pct Sub_Saharan - Distance to: Orcun 5.22675808 Turk_Southwest 5.43316666 Turk_Central_Black_Sea 5.95015126 Turk_Central_West 6.14852015 Turk_South 6.34350061 Turk_West_BlackSea 7.32363298 Turk_Northwest 7.48573310 Turk_Central_East 9.96923768 Turk_Southeast 11.37998243 Azerbaijani_Turkey 11.85855809 Azerbaijani 13.34734056 Azerbaijani_Iran 13.80271350 Turk_East 14.15230370 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain 14.42439253 Turk_Cyprus 15.68789023 Kabardin 15.83412138 Greek_Kos 15.84550725 Greek_Crete 15.88824723 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 16.09482215 Abazin 16.09729480 Greek_Rhodes 16.28116089 Udi 16.35971271 Greek_Cappadocia 16.40103655 Greek_Fournoi 16.40811689 Kurd_Kurmanji 16.63437405 Turkmen_Iraq

Code:

Population Gedrosia 15.82 Pct Siberian 6.57 Pct Northwest_African 0.22 Pct Southeast_Asian - Atlantic_Med 16.66 Pct North_European 10.05 Pct South_Asian 0.74 Pct East_African - Southwest_Asian 8.93 Pct East_Asian 6.68 Pct Caucasus 34.33 Pct Sub_Saharan - Distance to: Ozan 4.67662271 Turk_Southwest 5.93086840 Turk_Northwest 6.27287813 Turk_West_BlackSea 6.38848182 Turk_Central_West 7.12908830 Turk_South 7.86874196 Turk_Central_Black_Sea 8.85841972 Turk_Central_East 10.18726165 Turk_Southeast 11.85263684 Azerbaijani 12.05393712 Azerbaijani_Turkey 12.50673019 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain 13.50314408 Azerbaijani_Iran 15.07603728 Turk_Cyprus 15.22978989 Greek_Crete 15.52716008 Turk_East 15.63879151 Greek_Fournoi 15.65444346 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 15.71792607 Greek_Kos 15.99019387 Greek_Lemnos 16.19427985 Greek_Rhodes 16.32557197 Kurd_Kurmanji 16.43550121 Kabardin 16.46940497 Greek_Izmir 16.61672350 Turkmen_Iran 16.77248342 Turkmen_Iraq
04-24-2021, 03:35 PM
Sterling Archer

My Y-DNA result is ready. I am J-Y11200 (Dr_Maul will be happy:)):
https://i.imgur.com/NAkGX3x.png
04-24-2021, 04:40 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

My Y-DNA result is ready. I am J-Y11200 (Dr_Maul will be happy:)):
[img]https://i.imgur.com/NAkGX3x.png

Is that under J2a?
04-24-2021, 04:50 PM
Sterling Archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Is that under J2a?

Yes, it is under J2a.
04-24-2021, 06:17 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaspias

Matches of I, father, and paternal cousin. We match with these through my paternal grandmother's mother who is from Komotini, and from a village which is noted to has origins from Aydınoğlu and Menteşe.

All samples are from Muğla and from the same village. He speculated that they might belong to Kınık Tribe.

One of them is almost 15% Mongoloid, the other two are 13+ percent. So they might be as much as 1/3 Oghuz.
04-25-2021, 01:08 PM
Kyp

Another Udi from Azerbaijan:

Gedrosia: 20.32
Siberian: 0.38
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 10.57
North_European: 8.93
South Asian: 0.74
East_African: 0.43
SW_Asian: 11.41
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasus: 47.02
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Udi_Azerbaijan5
2.44511758 Udi
3.74717227 Turk_East
5.55313425 Armenian_East
7.15789075 Turk_Ahiska
8.38219542 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.52215348 Armenian_West
9.11092750 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.31911476 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.67189227 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.83419544 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.94733130 Azerbaijani
9.99778976 Turk_Central_East
10.22758525 Azeri_Jew
10.35645210 Assyrian_North
10.57577893 Turk_Southeast
10.69972430 Assyrian_West
10.86718915 Assyrian_South
10.95233308 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.96621630 Greek_Pontus
11.14305165 Hemshin
11.36686852 Yazidi_Kurd
11.72664061 Laz
11.86373466 Turkmen_Iraq
12.16535655 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.27350806 Adyghe

Target: Udi_Azerbaijan5
Distance: 1.1333% / 1.13334596 | ADC: 0.5x RC
71.2 Udi
12.3 Greek_Cappadocia
9.4 Turk_Ahiska
7.1 Adyghe

From North-Ossetia:

Gedrosia: 19.88
Siberian: 4.45
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.43
Atlantic_Med: 4.92
North_European: 14.01
South Asian: 0.26
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 5.47
East_Asian: 1.77
Caucasus: 48.80
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: north-ossetian
4.21734514 Ossetian
4.39671468 Adyghe
4.48714831 Ossetian_South
6.46574048 Karachay
6.90630871 Circassian
6.99344693 Ingush
7.66910686 Abazin
7.75873057 Abkhazian
7.90835634 Balkar
9.76756879 Kabardin
9.80640097 Turk_Ahiska
10.08267326 Chechen
10.56930934 Georgian
10.69267506 Kumyk
10.83561258 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.12128140 Udi
11.13421304 Georgian_Svan
11.65309401 Georgian_Gurian
11.87624520 Turk_East
12.86798741 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.26758456 Georgian_Imereti
13.71643175 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.84196157 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.86251060 Armenian_East
14.26668847 Azerbaijani_Iran

Target: north-ossetian
Distance: 1.9906% / 1.99059516 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.1 Ossetian_South
38.8 Ossetian
11.9 Udi
9.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan
04-25-2021, 07:21 PM
Dr_Maul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

My Y-DNA result is ready. I am J-Y11200 (Dr_Maul will be happy:)):
https://i.imgur.com/NAkGX3x.png

Your a lucky man indeed. Welcome to the overlord's club, cousin
04-26-2021, 07:59 AM
Altaylı

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

One of them is almost 15% Mongoloid, the other two are 13+ percent. So they might be as much as 1/3 Oghuz.

yes

Target: Nurdan
Distance: 3.2195% / 3.21948870
36.0 Greek_Icaria
28.6 KAZ_Kimak
26.7 Georgian_Adjara
8.6 Greek_Cypriot
0.1 Georgian_Mingrelian

Target: Orcun
Distance: 3.5344% / 3.53435784
47.8 Greek_Cappadocia
27.5 KAZ_Kimak
12.4 Georgian_Adjara
12.3 Greek_Icaria

Target: Ozan
Distance: 3.8006% / 3.80064861
61.7 Greek_Cappadocia
28.8 KAZ_Kimak
9.3 Greek_Lemnos
0.2 Georgian_Adjara
04-28-2021, 01:34 PM
Sora

Afro-Turk(most probably half. Because s/he shared his/her Afro-Turk mom's 23andme results and she was only 8% SSA)

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...rkish_results/

Gedrosia: 13.09
Siberian: 6.18
NW_African: 1.1
SE_Asian: 0
Atlantic_Med: 10.63
North_European: 14.94
South_Asian: 0.69
East_African: 2.72
SW_Asian: 8.04
East_Asian: 3.99
Caucasus: 37.25
Sub_Saharan: 1.17

Distance to: AfroTurkSonOrDaughter
6.03975165 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.17002431 Turk_Southwest
6.49219531 Turk_Northwest
7.09585090 Turk_South
7.24940687 Turk_Central_West
7.64612974 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.76163227 Turk_Central_East
9.87146899 Kabardin
10.41000961 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.74052606 Turk_Southeast
10.86660481 Abazin
11.75243804 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.77509236 Azerbaijani
11.84343700 Kumyk
11.89455338 Circassian
12.62187783 Balkar
12.66870554 Karachay
12.67409168 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.33890175 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.87759345 Adyghe
14.30143000 Turk_East
14.52569448 Ingush
14.76783329 Ossetian
15.27998037 Nogai
15.64989457 Chechen

Target: AfroTurkSonOrDaughter
Distance: 1.1354% / 1.13536619 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.2 Circassian
30.9 Turk_West_BlackSea
23.4 Turk_Northwest
3.8 Ethiopian
2.0 Dolgan
1.7 Sandawe_He
04-28-2021, 02:15 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

Afro-Turk(most probably half. Because s/he shared his/her Afro-Turk mom's 23andme results and she was only 8% SSA)

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...rkish_results/

Gedrosia: 13.09
Siberian: 6.18
NW_African: 1.1
SE_Asian: 0
Atlantic_Med: 10.63
North_European: 14.94
South_Asian: 0.69
East_African: 2.72
SW_Asian: 8.04
East_Asian: 3.99
Caucasus: 37.25
Sub_Saharan: 1.17

Distance to: AfroTurkSonOrDaughter
6.03975165 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.17002431 Turk_Southwest
6.49219531 Turk_Northwest
7.09585090 Turk_South
7.24940687 Turk_Central_West
7.64612974 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.76163227 Turk_Central_East
9.87146899 Kabardin
10.41000961 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
10.74052606 Turk_Southeast
10.86660481 Abazin
11.75243804 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.77509236 Azerbaijani
11.84343700 Kumyk
11.89455338 Circassian
12.62187783 Balkar
12.66870554 Karachay
12.67409168 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.33890175 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.87759345 Adyghe
14.30143000 Turk_East
14.52569448 Ingush
14.76783329 Ossetian
15.27998037 Nogai
15.64989457 Chechen

Target: AfroTurkSonOrDaughter
Distance: 1.1354% / 1.13536619 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.2 Circassian
30.9 Turk_West_BlackSea
23.4 Turk_Northwest
3.8 Ethiopian
2.0 Dolgan
1.7 Sandawe_He

4% African doesn't make him an "Afro-Turk", that's ludicrous. In the Middle East probably most Arabs have as much and sometimes more than that. Some Iranians do too.
04-28-2021, 04:52 PM
Leto

Some kits, I'll prolly add the oracles later on. You are welcome to do it too :)

Some Iranian, I guess Eastern

Gedrosia 30.53 Pct
Siberian 1.19 Pct
Northwest_African 0.65 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.34 Pct
North_European 9.49 Pct
South_Asian 5.2 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 11.18 Pct
East_Asian 3.57 Pct
Caucasus 33.38 Pct
Sub_Saharan 1.47 Pct

This might be a Talysh or a Talysh/Azeri mix. He has a Persian-style -zade surname

Gedrosia 25.5 Pct
Siberian 1.49 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.57 Pct
North_European 7.14 Pct
South_Asian 4.38 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.75 Pct
East_Asian 1.51 Pct
Caucasus 35.67 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

May be a Zaza Kurd

Gedrosia 25.43 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.18 Pct
North_European 4.61 Pct
South_Asian 3.56 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.21 Pct
East_Asian 1.48 Pct
Caucasus 43.53 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Some type of Kurd

Gedrosia 23.84 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 0.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.38 Pct
North_European 9.16 Pct
South_Asian 3.18 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.68 Pct
East_Asian 0.65 Pct
Caucasus 37.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
04-28-2021, 05:03 PM
Mejgusu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Some kits, I'll prolly add the oracles later on. You are welcome to do it too :)

...

I know some Zazas can be modeled as half Zaza/half Armenian but sometimes there are samples which are very interesting. Third one is a bit Transcaucasian shifted but still has a lot of Gedrosia/South Asia which is an indication for Iranic shift. But this person has very low European. I mean I never saw a Zaza more than 40% Caucasian.
04-28-2021, 05:08 PM
Kyp

Iranian from Alborz:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rz-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosia: 24.09
Siberian: 1.91
NW_African: 1.40
SE_Asian: 0.49
Atlantic_Med: 5.29
North_European: 8.27
South Asian: 5.94
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 13.37
East_Asian: 0.53
Caucasus: 38.72
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Iran_alborz
4.24083718 Iran_Central
4.68202947 Kurd_Sorani
5.01151674 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.09020628 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.36367411 Yazidi_Kurd
5.38774535 Kurd_Feyli
5.58673429 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.70910676 Turkmen_Iraq
5.90583610 Iranian_Fars
6.24081725 Iranian_Lur
7.00310645 Azerbaijani
7.67974609 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.52555570 Iranian_Kerman
9.01809847 Iranian_Khorasan
9.26001620 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.64507128 Turk_Southeast
10.29066081 Iranian_Mazandaran
10.51069931 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.27420951 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.83601284 Turk_East
12.66977900 Turk_Central_East
13.12563141 Turk_South
13.88644303 Arab_Iran
13.91059668 Mandean
14.23446522 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: Iran_alborz
Distance: 1.0840% / 1.08404306 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.1 Kurd_Feyli
33.6 Turkmen_Iraq
16.9 Chechen
3.4 Nihali
04-28-2021, 05:11 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

I know some Zazas can be modeled as half Zaza/half Armenian but sometimes there are samples which are very interesting. Third one is a bit Transcaucasian shifted but still has a lot of Gedrosia/South Asia which is an indication for Iranic shift. But this person has very low European. I mean I never saw a Zaza more than 40% Caucasian.

Zaza average (deleted because of some idiots). N=17

Code:

Zaza,23.89,0.95,0.65,0.24,8.58,7.08,2.11,0.18,13.63,0.68,41.98,0.02

Basically 42% Caucasus.
04-28-2021, 05:43 PM
Altaylı

First time i am seeing this result i found this result from an another gedmatch spreadsheet as a 8th Şereflikoçhisar result i thought there are only 7 result from my hometown

8th result from my hometown:

Gedrosia: 17.29
Siberian: 6.01
NW_African: 0.68
SE_Asian: 0.86
Atlantic_Med: 11.65
North_European: 8.28
South Asian: 0.62
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.72
East_Asian: 3.92
Caucasus: 38.98
SSA: 0.00

Target: Test
Distance: 1.2856% / 1.28564251 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.7 Turk_Central_East
26.5 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
16.3 Yazidi_Kurd
3.8 Mandean
2.7 Yukagir

Turkicness:

Target: Test
Distance: 1.2142% / 1.21419683 | R3P
54.5 Armenian_West
23.8 DA87_Kimak
21.7 Greek_Cappadocia

Fits very well lol
04-28-2021, 09:31 PM
Sora

A Russian adoptee girl from US

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...i_was_adopted/

Gedrosia: 14.61
Siberian: 11.01
NW_African: 0
SE_Asian: 4.51
Atlantic_Med: 9.89
North_European: 35.36
South_Asian: 3.43
East_African: 0
SW_Asian: 2.82
East_Asian: 8.22
Caucasus: 9.98
SSA: 0.16

Distance to: NadiaKharlamova
11.24644833 Bashkir_Central
11.46265240 Lipka_Tatar
11.63734506 Bashkir_North
11.80704451 Tatar_Kazan
13.91690339 Besermyan_Udmurtia
15.42330704 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.64927794 Tatar_Mishar
16.38402881 Chuvash
17.10809750 Udmurt
17.51215292 Bashkir_South
19.38742892 Mari
20.83692636 Komi
21.44829597 Tatar_Siberia
23.46756059 Uzbek
24.89255109 Pamiri_Rushan
24.99784191 Pamiri_Shughnan
25.05099399 Turkmen_Afghanistan
25.07426170 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
25.11391248 Turk_Deliorman
25.50944335 Tajik_Mountain
25.54149956 Moldovan_Central
25.64947758 Russian_Ural
25.67241516 Moldovan_North
25.82051510 Mordovian
25.84104294 Uzbeki

Target: NadiaKharlamova
Distance: 2.4651% / 2.46514518 | ADC: 0.25x RC
45.7 Tatar_Kazan
25.4 Pamiri_Shughnan
13.7 Udmurt
8.7 Bashkir_Central
6.5 ZHUANG
04-28-2021, 10:01 PM
Mejgusu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

A Russian adoptee girl from US
....

Very interesting result, I think this person has more Gedrosia, SE-Asia and South Asia than a regular Tatar or Bashkir.
04-28-2021, 10:17 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

A Russian adoptee girl from US

Thanks for posting that, I remember her. There is also her Ancestry data kit on Gedmatch, it's slightly better.

Code:

nadia,13.43,10.42,0,3.53,9.52,36.22,4.7,0,2.33,9.01,10.75,0.06

One of the models, reduced to 3 pops:

Target: nadia
Distance: 2.1913% / 2.19132915 | R3P
50.5 Uzbek
40.3 Finnish_East
9.2 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

Very interesting result, I think this person has more Gedrosia, SE-Asia and South Asia than a regular Tatar or Bashkir.

She is mixed race, apparently half Uzbek and half Russian. But she does look like a Volga Tatar or an "Uralic" person.
04-29-2021, 06:54 AM
Sora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

Very interesting result, I think this person has more Gedrosia, SE-Asia and South Asia than a regular Tatar or Bashkir.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

She is mixed race, apparently half Uzbek and half Russian. But she does look like a Volga Tatar or an "Uralic" person.

I assur she is either "1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Tatar + 1/4 Russian" or "1/2 Uzbek + 1/2 something Uralic". Because she has (a bit) less European than average Uzbek+Russian mix and is more Siberian than East Asian, while Uzbeks have 2x more East Asian than Siberian. The previous Russian adoptee from US(apparently Uzbek+Russian) had more East Asian than Siberian also.

According to my same friend, Nadia stated her bio mom had Tatar & Kazakh roots beside Russian
04-29-2021, 07:57 AM
Mejgusu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

She is mixed race, apparently half Uzbek and half Russian. But she does look like a Volga Tatar or an "Uralic" person.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

I assur she is either "1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Tatar + 1/4 Russian" or "1/2 Uzbek + 1/2 something Uralic". Because she has (a bit) less European than average Uzbek+Russian mix and is more Siberian than East Asian, while Uzbeks have 2x more East Asian than Siberian. The previous Russian adoptee from US(apparently Uzbek+Russian) had more East Asian than Siberian also.

According to my same friend, Nadia stated her bio mom had Tatar & Kazakh roots beside Russian

Is an Uyghur-Russian mix possible? This amount of SE-Asia is very atypical, the Turkic part would be around 8/9% SE-Asian which is only common among Uyghurs. Or maybe this person is partly Kazakh/Kirgiz/Mongol or maybe even Dungan?
04-29-2021, 09:31 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

I assur she is either "1/2 Uzbek + 1/4 Tatar + 1/4 Russian" or "1/2 Uzbek + 1/2 something Uralic". Because she has (a bit) less European than average Uzbek+Russian mix and is more Siberian than East Asian, while Uzbeks have 2x more East Asian than Siberian. The previous Russian adoptee from US(apparently Uzbek+Russian) had more East Asian than Siberian also.

According to my same friend, Nadia stated her bio mom had Tatar & Kazakh roots beside Russian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gecko

Is an Uyghur-Russian mix possible? This amount of SE-Asia is very atypical, the Turkic part would be around 8/9% SE-Asian which is only common among Uyghurs. Or maybe this person is partly Kazakh/Kirgiz/Mongol or maybe even Dungan?

No one will know for sure. Some of the East Asian may have gone into the Southeast Asian. I've seen full Russians with 2+ percent SEA. Her total Mongoloid is normal for that type of mix, Uzbeks can be as low as 20% and as high as 50% East Eurasian. Russians can also vary from barely 2% to well over 10%, so it really depends on where her biological parents and grandparents were from. She does have a Bashkir match which I already know. I normally don't post Tatars and Bashkirs here because they're neither West nor Central Asian strictly speaking.
04-29-2021, 09:46 AM
Leto

Pakistan is South Asia but adding some Pashtun type of people are okay, I guess. This one is interesting
This MAY be her, not verified though

Gedrosia 38.05 Pct
Siberian 0.73 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.14 Pct
North_European 17.17 Pct
South_Asian 20.68 Pct
East_African 0.13 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.19 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 17.92 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Iqra
3.18774215 Pashtun_Tarkalani
3.95445319 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
5.04908903 Kho
5.08539084 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
5.58906969 Nuristani
5.60519402 Kalash
5.87029812 Pashtun_Yusafzai
6.32751926 Pashtun_Kandahar
9.79580012 Tajik_Kabul
11.32461037 Sindhi_Hindu

Target: Iqra
Distance: 1.6175% / 1.61754921 | ADC: 0.25x RC
87.2 Nuristani
5.3 Kuwait2
2.9 Pashtun_Tarkalani
2.7 Latvian
1.9 Tabasaran

Target: Iqra
Distance: 2.3297% / 2.32973592 | ADC: 0.5x RC
66.8 Pashtun_Tarkalani
26.8 Nuristani
6.4 Tabasaran

Her ancestry seems to have remained practically untouched by Turco-Mongols :cool:
04-29-2021, 10:27 AM
Sora

Hui(Chinese Muslim) from Xinjiang/East Turkestan (apparently 1/2 Chinese + 1/4 Kazakh + 1/4 Uyghur)

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...ritrean_trace/

Gedrosia: 7.59
Siberian: 14.64
NW_African: 0
SE_Asian: 21.28
Atlantic_Med: 1.21
North_European: 7.14
South_Asian: 0.8
East_African: 0
SW_Asian: 0
East_Asian: 44.74
Caucasus: 2.6
SSA: 0

Distance to: HuiXinjiangMom
17.78240141 Dungan
20.37882479 Nepali_Gurung
22.19826119 Tibetan
22.48590447 Nepali_Kirant_Rai
23.99184653 Kyrgyz
23.99576838 Mongol_Khalkh
24.00394759 Kyrgyz_Pamir
24.27107744 Tu
25.36240131 Naxi
25.80209875 Yizu
25.85475778 Mongol_Uuld
26.53618661 Uyghur
26.58228922 Kazakh
26.73367726 Kalmyk
26.80836810 Han_north
27.96476354 Xibo
28.92223020 Burmanese
29.12301839 Han_central
29.15920095 Hazara
29.44607614 Hezhen
29.44974533 Karakalpak
29.68688936 Garo
30.20969877 Nogai_Stavropol
30.37119853 Nogai_Astrakhan
30.56179641 Tujia

Target: HuiXinjiangMom
Distance: 1.9167% / 1.91673037 | ADC: 0.25x RC
36.8 Dungan
31.7 Kyrgyz_Pamir
17.6 Han_south
11.9 Altaian_Chelkan
2.0 ZHUANG

Target: HuiXinjiangMom
Distance: 2.3057% / 2.30574743 | ADC: 0.5x RC
48.6 Kyrgyz_Pamir
27.6 Dungan
23.8 Han_south
04-30-2021, 10:16 AM
Kyp

I don't if has been posted here:

50% (p) Iranian Azerbaijani from Hamedan 50% (m) Azerbaijani from Baku

Gedrosia: 23.96
Siberian: 2.01
NW_African: 0.37
SE_Asian: 0.34
Atlantic_Med: 7.07
North_European: 9.12
South Asian: 4.77
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 11.72
East_Asian: 2.46
Caucasus: 38.17
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azeri_Hamedan/Baku
3.58770121 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.04226422 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.52414633 Azerbaijani
4.85943412 Iran_Central
4.86053495 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.10786648 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.39308817 Yazidi_Kurd
5.47056670 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.64756585 Kurd_Sorani
6.38047020 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.71025335 Turkmen_Iraq
6.85824322 Iranian_Fars
7.07199406 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.09279917 Kurd_Feyli
7.43682728 Iranian_Lur
7.92899741 Turk_Southeast
8.01970698 Iranian_Khorasan
8.75054855 Iranian_Kerman
9.83521225 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.76788280 Turk_Central_East
11.03167258 Turk_South
11.04666465 Turk_East
11.20721643 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.12254099 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.26681703 Iraqi_Baghdad

Target: Azeri_Hamedan/Baku
Distance: 0.9198% / 0.91979223 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.3 Talysh_Azerbaijan
30.6 Iranian_Khorasan
23.2 Turk_Southeast
5.9 Kumyk

Father (Azeri from Hamedan):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...an-SVG.svg.png

Interesting because there isn't any other Azeri result from this far south:

Gedrosia: 25.06
Siberian: 3.01
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 1.49
Atlantic_Med: 8.99
North_European: 6.98
South Asian: 5.54
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 9.87
East_Asian: 2.52
Caucasus: 35.52
SSA: 1.02

Distance to: Azeri_Hamedan
5.62307745 Iran_Central
6.32166908 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.49622968 Iranian_Khorasan
6.85311608 Iranian_Fars
6.88692239 Yazidi_Kurd
6.94332773 Azerbaijani
7.20467904 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.41586812 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.42948854 Azerbaijani_Northwest
7.71657955 Iranian_Kerman
7.79374108 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.82925922 Kurd_Sorani
8.21290448 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.46452007 Iranian_Lur
8.68057602 Turkmen_Iraq
9.13794835 Kurd_Feyli
9.56040271 Turk_Southeast
9.89805031 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.92404294 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.04406493 Turk_South
12.27979642 Turk_Central_East
12.87238517 Turkmen_TM
12.98082817 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.23086921 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
13.42929261 Turk_Central_West

Target: Azeri_Hamedan
Distance: 3.0018% / 3.00182213 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.7 Iranian_Khorasan
21.6 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
21.4 Yazidi_Kurd
6.3 Iran_Central

Mother (Azeri from Baku with partly Tat ancestry):

Gedrosia: 21.92
Siberian: 2.33
NW_African: 0.26
SE_Asian: 0.56
Atlantic_Med: 7.20
North_European: 9.81
South Asian: 3.10
East_African: 0.30
SW_Asian: 12.09
East_Asian: 1.36
Caucasus: 41.08
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azeri_Baku
2.62360439 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
3.41531843 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.86899212 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.19200429 Azerbaijani
4.73408914 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.77682949 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.26977671 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.27705345 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.48661699 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.66132119 Yazidi_Kurd
6.89557829 Turk_Southeast
6.96115651 Turkmen_Iraq
7.08955570 Kurd_Sorani
7.61432860 Turk_East
7.99229003 Iran_Central
8.17715109 Kurd_Feyli
8.79048918 Turk_Central_East
8.96187480 Iranian_Lur
9.94640639 Turk_South
10.14393908 Iranian_Fars
10.45300914 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.22800071 Turk_Central_West
11.86279057 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.96625255 Armenian_East
12.00480321 Iranian_Khorasan

Target: Azeri_Baku
Distance: 1.4523% / 1.45229003 | ADC: 0.5x RC
50.5 Talysh_Azerbaijan
28.2 Turk_Southeast
14.2 Kumyk
7.1 Udi_Azerbaijan
04-30-2021, 10:58 AM
Sterling Archer

Quote:

50% (p) Iranian Azerbaijani from Hamedan 50% (m) Azerbaijani from Baku

Is it me or is there a duplicate? The result seems to be identical to that of his/her mother's.

Quote:

Gedrosia: 25.06
Siberian: 3.01
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 1.49
Atlantic_Med: 8.99
North_European: 6.98
South Asian: 5.54
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 9.87
East_Asian: 2.52
Caucasus: 35.52
SSA: 1.02

These numbers are unusual, especially South Asia. I assume that is why this person matches first with the central Iranians rather than Azerbaijanis.
04-30-2021, 11:10 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Is it me or is there a duplicate? The result seems to be identical to that of his/her mother's.

These numbers are unusual, especially South Asia. I assume that is why this person matches first with the central Iranians rather than Azerbaijanis.

You are right. My mistake. I edited the mother's result now.

Yeah he's very southern (somewhat could be expected because of his region). Although he also is the most turkic out of the three. Also interestingly low SW_Asian for his region (my father has low too, might be common among Azeris from this area Zanjan/Hamedan etc.)
04-30-2021, 11:33 AM
Sterling Archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

Also interestingly low SW_Asian for his region

Noticed that too. Very interesting, especially taking into account that he is from Iran.

Quote:

(my father has low too, might be common among Azeris from this area Zanjan/Hamedan etc.)

Yeah, but if I remember correctly, your father also has a fairly decent NE too, which is on the very high end for Iran.

Does this person have any tribal affiliation?
04-30-2021, 11:38 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Does this person have any tribal affiliation?

No but on Anthrogenica he mentioned that among his father's local lore they came from Anatolia in the 1600s. So I'm assuming they are some Qizilbash tribe.
04-30-2021, 11:56 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

I don't if has been posted here:

50% (p) Iranian Azerbaijani from Hamedan 50% (m) Azerbaijani from Baku

Sister:

Population
Gedrosia 21.09 Pct
Siberian 2.98 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.04 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.8 Pct
North_European 9.07 Pct
South_Asian 4.34 Pct
East_African 0.23 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.66 Pct
East_Asian 2 Pct
Caucasus 39.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.23 Pct
04-30-2021, 12:00 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

I don't if has been posted here:

50% (p) Iranian Azerbaijani from Hamedan 50% (m) Azerbaijani from Baku

Is the Iranian Azerbaijani an immigrant to the North? Where do they live?
04-30-2021, 12:02 PM
Leto

I think Azerbaijanis are 20% Oghuz Turkic at most, some are sure as low as 10%.
04-30-2021, 12:08 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Is the Iranian Azerbaijani an immigrant to the North? Where do they live?

idk... don't think so

He lives in Europe
04-30-2021, 12:15 PM
Leto

A Turkish Kurd. Almost 11% North_European. He has many Turkish-sounding matches

Gedrosia 25.53 Pct
Siberian 0.9 Pct
Northwest_African 1.48 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.92 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.23 Pct
North_European 10.94 Pct
South_Asian 2.03 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.56 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 39.41 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Ramazan
4.97726833 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.12313381 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.41256871 Kurd_Sorani
5.48086672 Yazidi_Kurd
6.04091880 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.15317804 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.69521471 Kurd_Feyli
7.20680234 Azerbaijani
7.86321817 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.87862298 Iranian_Lur

Target: Ramazan
Distance: 1.2969% / 1.29689326 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.0 Kurd_Sorani
23.6 Lezgin
15.1 Udi_Azerbaijan
2.7 Kaitag_Dagestan
2.6 Yemenite_Mahra

Target: Ramazan
Distance: 2.0572% / 2.05721558 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.7 Kurd_Sorani
46.3 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
04-30-2021, 12:20 PM
Sterling Archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

Sister:
East_African 0.23 Pct
Southwest_Asian 13.66 Pct
East_Asian 2 Pct
Caucasus 39.54 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.23 Pct

How does this work? She has higher SW Asia than both her parents:confused:
Is this totally random?
04-30-2021, 12:26 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

How does this work? She has higher SW Asia than both her parents:confused:
Is this totally random?

possibilty 1: She just inherited it unproportionally to other components
possiblity 2: one of the parents has actually more than tested (Autosomal DNA test can't test 100% of your genome)
possiblity 3: gedmatch calculators
04-30-2021, 12:28 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

possiblity 2: one of the parents has actually more than tested (Autosomal DNA test can't test 100% of your genome)

That's highly unlikely IMO.

You can check West_Asian, East_Med and Red_Sea for the entire family.
04-30-2021, 12:36 PM
Sterling Archer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

possibilty 1: She just inherited it unproportionally to other components

Yeah, this I can totally understand. When I run my results in gedmatch and look at admixture proportions by chromosome, I can see that it is highly uneven.
04-30-2021, 12:37 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

That's highly unlikely IMO.

You can check West_Asian, East_Med and Red_Sea for the entire family.

Mother
West_Asian: 36.99
East_Med: 29.08
Red_Sea: 4.86

Father
West_Asian: 36.27
East_Med: 24.17
Red_Sea: 5.24

Daughter
West_Asian: 34.74
East_Med: 28.22
Red_Sea: 6.79
04-30-2021, 01:21 PM
Altaylı

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I think Azerbaijanis are 20% Oghuz Turkic at most, some are sure as low as 10%.

A 10% east eurasian person is can be 22-26% DA87 Kimak
Probably azerbaijanis mostly between 15-20% DA87 Kimak some of them can be more than 20%

I think Turkicness doesn't only related with east eurasia a 10% east eurasian person can be same % Turkic with 13-14% east eurasian person

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