Y-DNA: G2Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
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Y-DNA: G2Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
A Syrian couple from Idlib living in Toronto as refugees. They are also relatives (305 cM shared) which kinda sucks but is not unusual among Muslims. Here is an article about them with a video featuring their three children. They don't look very swarthy. Must be due to the elevated North_European
Syrian families in Toronto eager for start of school year
Gedrosia 19.77 Pct
Siberian 1.93 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.27 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.55 Pct
North_European 11.25 Pct
South_Asian 1.1 Pct
East_African 0.83 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.89 Pct
East_Asian 3.65 Pct
Caucasus 38.76 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Khaled
4.62446754 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.12728973 Turk_Southeast
5.24153603 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.51416358 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.30322531 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.65157500 Turkmen_Iraq
7.73168804 Turk_Central_East
8.03272681 Turk_South
8.18942000 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.97368375 Talysh_Azerbaijan
Distance to: Khaled
2.65399890 82.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 17.80% Bedouin
2.67790500 84.60% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 15.40% Yemenite_Mahra
2.84205496 86.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 13.60% Kuwait2
2.92110058 84.20% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 15.80% Saudi
2.99927586 82.40% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 17.60% Kuwait1
3.15377261 57.00% Iraqi_Baghdad + 43.00% Kumyk
3.28071924 67.00% Azerbaijani_Dagestan + 33.00% Syrian_Muslim
3.33377709 93.80% Azerbaijani_Republic + 6.20% Kuwait2
3.42015335 52.00% Ingush + 48.00% Iraqi_Arab
3.45719413 93.00% Azerbaijani_Republic + 7.00% Saudi
Target: Khaled
Distance: 1.7857% / 1.78565356 | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.4 Azerbaijani_Republic
25.1 Kumyk
11.8 Saudi
4.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
1.9 Turk_Southeast
Gedrosia 14.45 Pct
Siberian 0.63 Pct
Northwest_African 2.55 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.33 Pct
Atlantic_Med 14.84 Pct
North_European 5.43 Pct
South_Asian 0.67 Pct
East_African 2.14 Pct
Southwest_Asian 21.06 Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus 37.89 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Iman
4.43833302 Lebanese_Muslim
6.22012058 Syrian_Muslim
6.48253037 Nusayri_Turkey
7.80139731 Palestinian
8.02960771 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.07699201 Lebanese_Christian
8.82870319 Jordanian_Muslim
9.40520069 Palestinian_Christian
9.51053101 Turk_Cyprus
9.75821705 Syrian_SW_Christian
Distance to: Iman
2.18560637 78.00% Syrian_SW_Christian + 22.00% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.32444850 78.80% Palestinian_Christian + 21.20% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.46331498 19.00% Pamiri_Rushan + 81.00% Syrian_SW_Christian
2.49360367 77.60% Jordanian_Christian + 22.40% Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
2.51838145 81.60% Palestinian_Christian + 18.40% Pamiri_Rushan
2.62411939 43.00% Greek_Rhodes + 57.00% Iraqi_Arab
2.67482682 18.80% Pamiri_Shughnan + 81.20% Syrian_SW_Christian
2.67931530 81.80% Palestinian_Christian + 18.20% Pamiri_Shughnan
2.88703386 43.00% Greek_Kos + 57.00% Iraqi_Arab
2.89793844 80.60% Jordanian_Christian + 19.40% Pamiri_Rushan
Target: Iman
Distance: 1.8265% / 1.82653218 | ADC: 0.25x RC
43.2 Nusayri_Turkey
34.2 Syrian_Muslim
17.3 Iraqi_Baghdad
5.3 Irish
Iranian from Golestan
Gedrosia 32.95 Pct
Siberian 1.03 Pct
Northwest_African 0.92 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.77 Pct
Atlantic_Med 2.12 Pct
North_European 6.17 Pct
South_Asian 6.63 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 9.41 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 39.83 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.15 Pct
Distance to: Yasaman
2.55730327 Iranian_Mazandaran
8.63648655 Kurd_Feyli
9.17801177 Iranian_Lur
9.39987234 Iranian_Kerman
9.66253590 Iranian_Fars
9.99116610 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.06148597 Kurd_Sorani
11.13025157 Yazidi_Kurd
11.14040394 Iranian_Khorasan
12.57756336 Kurd_Kurmanji
Distance to: Yasaman
1.86387065 94.80% Iranian_Mazandaran + 5.20% Nuristani
1.88098500 96.80% Iranian_Mazandaran + 3.20% West_Bengal_Brahmin
1.88303445 95.00% Iranian_Mazandaran + 5.00% Kalash
1.88823549 96.00% Iranian_Mazandaran + 4.00% Kashmiri
1.89049108 95.60% Iranian_Mazandaran + 4.40% Punjabi_Khatri
1.89059635 95.40% Iranian_Mazandaran + 4.60% PAK_Kohistani
1.89238207 97.20% Iranian_Mazandaran + 2.80% Lambadi
1.89419703 95.40% Iranian_Mazandaran + 4.60% Sindhi_Hindu
1.89461606 95.00% Iranian_Mazandaran + 5.00% Kho
1.90375318 3.60% Gujarati_Brahmin + 96.40% Iranian_Mazandaran
Target: Yasaman
Distance: 1.4256% / 1.42557365 | ADC: 0.25x RC
86.2 Iranian_Mazandaran
7.8 Nuristani
6.0 Georgian_Svan
This one is so northern! Very unusual.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Can he be Turkmen or Kurd? They do occasionally score high NE.
South_Ossetian from my GEDmatch list:
https://i.ibb.co/LvHf8Js/Ossetian.png
Distance to: South_Ossetian
3.32209271 Ossetian_South
5.58524843 Ossetian
5.75551040 Abkhazian
6.38425407 Adyghe
8.65964202 Karachay
8.82422235 Georgian_Svan
9.00274958 Circassian
9.25072430 Georgian
9.38248368 Georgian_Gurian
9.63582378 Ingush
9.86189130 Balkar
9.95906622 Abazin
10.34646316 Turk_Ahiska
11.28240666 Georgian_Mingrelian
11.60773880 Georgian_Imereti
12.01662182 Kabardin
12.07187227 Chechen
13.53282306 Udi_Azerbaijan
13.54374025 Kumyk
14.47314755 Georgian_Adjara
Target: South_Ossetian
Distance: 2.3190% / 2.31897382 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.3 Ossetian_South
17.9 Georgian_Mingrelian
4.2 Albanian
1.6 Algerian
Target: South_Ossetian
Distance: 2.6765% / 2.67651283 | ADC: 0.5x RC
73.2 Ossetian_South
21.1 Abkhazian
5.7 Greek_Fournoi
Distance to: South_Ossetian
2.77277893 6.00% Greek_Icaria + 94.00% Ossetian_South
2.77858031 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Sephardic_Jews
2.79424718 7.80% Greek_Cappadocia + 92.20% Ossetian_South
2.80231736 84.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 15.40% Udmurt
2.82430237 4.60% Morocco_Jews + 95.40% Ossetian_South
2.83221913 16.40% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 83.60% Georgian_Mingrelian
2.83396649 6.20% Greek_Rhodes + 93.80% Ossetian_South
2.84401118 5.80% Greek_Cypriot + 94.20% Ossetian_South
2.84924034 9.20% Greek_Pontus + 90.80% Ossetian_South
2.86373007 30.60% Georgian_Mingrelian + 69.40% Ossetian
2.86890868 97.40% Ossetian_South + 2.60% Sardinian
2.87069971 6.00% Greek_Kos + 94.00% Ossetian_South
2.87983831 4.80% Italian_Jews + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.88142186 89.80% Ossetian_South + 10.20% Turk_East_Black_Sea
2.90033502 4.80% Italian_Calabria + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.91985157 5.40% Greek_Izmir + 94.60% Ossetian_South
2.92678749 10.00% Laz + 90.00% Ossetian_South
2.93059744 4.80% Moldovan_Jewish + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.93427262 5.60% Greek_Crete + 94.40% Ossetian_South
2.93474080 4.60% Ashkenazi_Jews + 95.40% Ossetian_South
Azerbaijani with roots from Fizuli, Baku and Goychay. Relatively high East Asian admixture (7.8%).
Y-DNA: R1a-Z93
Gedrosia 18.35
Siberian 5.25
Northwest_African 1.6
Southeast_Asian 0
Atlantic_Med 7.2
North_European 9.05
South_Asian 0.61
East_African 0.22
Southwest_Asian 11.78
East_Asian 2.57
Caucasus 42.83
Sub_Saharan 0.55
Distance to: azerb
5.16336131 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.70673287 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.19745109 Turk_East
6.72159951 Turk_Central_East
6.86734301 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.98191951 Turk_Southeast
7.39343628 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.40264817 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.92220929 Turk_South
8.77489601 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.06555569 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.35373188 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.53162106 Turk_Central_West
9.64445437 Turkmen_Iraq
10.49458908 Armenian_East
10.92981244 Yazidi_Kurd
11.63411363 Kurd_Sorani
11.63591423 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.99851241 Turk_Ahiska
12.15517585 Turk_Southwest
12.19961885 Adyghe
12.23183551 Kurd_Feyli
12.28489316 Azeri_Jew
12.45037349 Abazin
12.53423312 Armenian_West
Samarkand Tajik, high Atlantic Med. Possible Jewish ancestry?
L-M27
Gedrosia 22.32 Pct
Siberian 5.61 Pct
Northwest_African 1.01 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.55 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.48 Pct
North_European 13.85 Pct
South_Asian 4.84 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.67 Pct
East_Asian 14.62 Pct
Caucasus 22.68 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.36 Pct
Distance to: PA3859277
6.71832568 Turkmen_Iran
8.86364485 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
9.41925156 Turkmen_TM
11.04787762 Tajik_Mountain
12.58610742 Uzbek
13.80670489 Tajik_Lowland
15.19184321 Tajik_Herat
15.44624874 Uzbeki
16.39937804 Turkmen_Afghanistan
17.59045764 Iranian_Khorasan
17.79577197 Yaghnobi_Tajikistan
19.66693672 Turk_Northwest
19.90269831 Turk_Southwest
20.47473077 Nogai
20.50016097 Pamiri_Shughnan
20.77827952 Turk_South
20.81451897 Pamiri_Rushan
20.90634353 Tajik_Kabul
21.15591170 Iranian_Kerman
21.33658126 Azerbaijani_Iran
21.34324483 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
21.52460453 Pamiri_Ishkashim
21.83718388 Iranian_Fars
21.91029895 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
22.12788060 Turk_Southeast
Target: PA3859277
Distance: 1.4763% / 1.47634104 | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.4 Tajik_Mountain
21.7 Turkmen_Iran
14.2 Iraqi_Arab
8.9 Japanese
0.8 Saudi
Target: PA3859277
Distance: 1.6494% / 1.64941059 | R3P
53.2 Pamiri_Shughnan
28.8 Iraqi_Jew
18.0 Xibo
Do you mean Southwest Asian? Yes, it is. Also relatively low North European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
There were Arabs around Samarkand as late as 20-30 years ago (not sure about 2021 though), so that'd be more likely than Jewish.
I think both Atlantic and SW Asia are a bit atypical, as for that yeah you are probably right because Uzbekistan Jew would be more Iranian shifted compared to these which seem to be Arab/Levantine proper at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
5-6% Atlantic Med is totally normal in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. It reduces as you go east and south of those countries (Kyrgyzstan and Afghanistan).
Distance to: Vrazijadivizija
1.95576072 Bosniak
3.29984848 Croat
5.70925564 Slovenian
5.80817527 Hungarian
5.82388187 Serb
5.87009370 Moldovan
9.41456850 Slovak
10.02157672 Czech
11.36346338 Romanian
14.03380205 German
14.04521983 Ukrainian
15.42322923 Polish
16.15419141 Russian
16.85805445 Dutch
17.19997674 Belorussian
19.08089358 Swedish
19.13860758 English
19.37157195 Danish
20.39103725 Scottish
21.62614159 Irish
23.71388412 French
23.94583889 Albanian
24.94450440 Estonian
26.35205874 Lithuanian
27.46217399 Italian_Lazio
Keep in mind that nowadays Syria was, lets forget the centuries before that, a melting pot of different people and cultures during the Ottoman empire. Even until early 20th century many Caucasians(which is probably already well known after 4 Dodecad threads) and even many Greeks settled in many areas of Syria and other places of Levante. Id really want to know whether the first sample is a Syrian Turkmen/partly Turkish or Caucasian like Circissians. Second one could be partly Greek imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Excellent work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Do you have distribution for Kumyks and Vainakhs too? Would be interesting to see the comparison with the Azerbaijanis.
Also interesting to see disparity between the distribution of J1 and R(a and b) between Azerbaijanis of the republic and Iran.
How do you interpret the distance in this case? They seem to be far removed in both plots.
Higher J1 in Republic is from North Caucasus influences, afaik most of it is J1-M267* same as in DagestanQuote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
More R1a in Iranian part is probably due to Iranic whereas more R1b in republic due to Anatolian/Armenian influences
I don't know if they are necessarily far apart. Variation in Iranian regions for example is stronger than the variation of Azerbaijanis. Although there is a significant difference in the distribution of J1, which seems a lot more common in the Republic than in Iran. This is the main difference for them plotting a bit far from each other. But overall still close. It gets more evident if you add a really far population like for example Turkmens or Arabs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer
https://i.imgur.com/hHOfhFT.png
With Kumyk added:
https://i.imgur.com/Thlgj15.jpg
Kumyk distribution:
https://i.imgur.com/bZSgeI9.png
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Thanks! Interesting that Kumyks are so close to Azerbaijanis too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
What is the difference between the first and the second (with Kumyks) plot? In one Armenia and Zaza are much closer than the other.
Is there any guide on how to make a PCA like this?
Turkmen from Kirkuk, Iraq.
Gedrosia 20.41 Pct
Siberian 3.09 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.1 Pct
Atlantic_Med 9.15 Pct
North_European 6.35 Pct
South_Asian 0.8 Pct
East_African 0.87 Pct
Southwest_Asian 16.47 Pct
East_Asian 2.18 Pct
Caucasus 39.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Turkmen
4.73862849 Turkmen_Iraq
5.27290243 Turk_Southeast
5.69892095 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.76087667 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.89224066 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.15974025 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.10670810 Iraqi_Baghdad
7.35325098 Yazidi_Kurd
8.08543753 Kurd_Sorani
8.35226915 Turk_Central_East
8.35687142 Turk_East
8.40504610 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.24985405 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.27643250 Mandean
9.38625058 Iranian_Lur
9.50348883 Turk_South
9.52461548 Kurd_Feyli
9.59935935 Azeri_Jew
10.20092643 Assyrian_North
10.22019080 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.24296832 Assyrian_South
10.51749495 Turk_Central_West
10.61233716 Assyrian_West
10.71689787 Kurdish_Jew
11.25854786 Iraqi_Jew
An Armenian, judging by the surname:
Spoiler!
He scores minor SiberianQuote:
Originally Posted by CommonSense
Distance to: FD
3.52736446 Armenian_West
4.73445879 Armenian_East
4.73452215 Assyrian_North
4.87334587 Assyrian_West
4.91653333 Azeri_Jew
5.17136346 Assyrian_South
5.82979416 Turk_East
7.61648213 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.11589182 Kurdish_Jew
8.60170913 Mandean
Distance to: FD
2.16445389 96.00% Armenian_West + 4.00% Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.24690326 91.00% Armenian_West + 9.00% Turkmen_TM
2.26244156 97.20% Armenian_West + 2.80% Yukagir
2.28186060 96.20% Armenian_West + 3.80% Shor
2.29964610 82.20% Armenian_West + 17.80% Azerbaijani_Iran
2.30282123 4.00% Altaian_Chelkan + 96.00% Armenian_West
2.31688638 97.20% Armenian_West + 2.80% Evenk
2.33508974 93.20% Armenian_West + 6.80% Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.34503029 97.00% Armenian_West + 3.00% Sakha_Yakutia
2.35228857 91.80% Armenian_West + 8.20% Turkmen_Iran
Target: FD
Distance: 1.4388% / 1.43884545 | ADC: 0.25x RC
75.9 Armenian_West
10.9 Udi_Azerbaijan
5.6 Assyrian_North
5.4 Iranian_Lur
2.2 Yukagir
Ossetians, though the latter may as well be something else
Gedrosia 20.04 Pct
Siberian 2.39 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.99 Pct
North_European 15.18 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.35 Pct
Southwest_Asian 1.43 Pct
East_Asian 2.74 Pct
Caucasus 49.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Marat
4.20746955 Ossetian_South
4.34845950 Ossetian
5.09211155 Adyghe
6.78245531 Karachay
7.05631632 Circassian
7.34144400 Ingush
8.04547078 Balkar
8.10179610 Abazin
8.38260103 Abkhazian
9.92667618 Kabardin
Distance to: Marat
2.52979192 95.40% Ossetian_South + 4.60% Spanish_Basque
2.67883439 4.80% French_Southwest + 95.20% Ossetian_South
2.70474222 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_La_Rioja
2.74234405 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Aragon
2.74635112 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_Asturias
2.74898172 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Sardinian
2.76740718 95.00% Ossetian_South + 5.00% Spanish_Cantabria
2.80886537 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Andalusia
2.81536254 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Catalonia
2.82601771 94.80% Ossetian_South + 5.20% Spanish_Valencia
Target: Marat
Distance: 2.4512% / 2.45118990 | ADC: 0.25x RC
94.9 Ossetian_South
3.7 Spanish_Basque
0.7 Han_north
0.7 Sardinian
Gedrosia 19.86 Pct
Siberian 5.12 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.44 Pct
Atlantic_Med 4.38 Pct
North_European 18.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.3 Pct
East_African 0.06 Pct
Southwest_Asian 2.79 Pct
East_Asian 2.96 Pct
Caucasus 45.93 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Diana
2.55988281 Karachay
3.32261945 Ossetian
3.35080587 Balkar
3.75945475 Circassian
3.84053382 Adyghe
4.13527508 Ingush
4.36650890 Abazin
6.02110455 Chechen
6.17511134 Kabardin
6.68949176 Ossetian_South
Distance to: Diana
1.60189290 12.40% Bashkir_Central + 87.60% Ossetian_South
1.65248310 12.20% Bashkir_South + 87.80% Ossetian_South
1.69025464 89.20% Ossetian_South + 10.80% Udmurt
1.84375545 10.60% Mari + 89.40% Ossetian_South
1.88387522 11.60% Besermyan_Udmurtia + 88.40% Ossetian_South
1.89835959 89.80% Ossetian_South + 10.20% Tatar_Zabolotniye
1.95398641 12.20% Bashkir_North + 87.80% Ossetian_South
2.04646244 88.40% Ossetian_South + 11.60% Tatar_Siberia
2.05849793 95.60% Ossetian + 4.40% Tatar_Zabolotniye
2.07529915 4.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 95.60% Ossetian
Target: Diana
Distance: 2.0138% / 2.01382848 | ADC: 0.5x RC
49.3 Karachay
25.9 Ossetian
24.8 Ingush
From the new Turkish article. Matches indicate that he might be from Karaman. Also, he matches with a few Turks from Kardzhali where Karamanid migration stories were told widely.
Y: N-VL73
MT: C4a1a3
Another one, matches indicate he might be from Mersin/Antalya. He and the one the above are not matching with each other. Again, he also matches with a few Kardzhali Turks. Interesting enough, these two samples could be magnets to spot Karamanids who were migrated to the Balkans!Code:Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.76
2 North_European 14.68
3 Gedrosia 13.39
4 Atlantic_Med 11.49
5 East_Asian 9.96
6 Southwest_Asian 7.17
7 Siberian 6.31
8 South_Asian 1.68
9 Northwest_African 1.4
10 Southeast_Asian 0.82
11 East_African 0.68
12 Sub_Saharan 0.63
Distance to: X
2.89243948 59.00% Greek_Pontus + 41.00% Uzbeki
2.92600926 41.60% Hemshin + 58.40% Ottoman_MA2196
3.01404440 41.20% Laz + 58.80% Ottoman_MA2196
3.10900748 65.00% Greek_Pontus + 35.00% Karluk_DA222
3.13054308 40.00% Georgian_Adjara + 60.00% Ottoman_MA2196
3.37003340 57.80% Greek_Pontus + 42.20% Uzbek
3.51106466 42.60% Greek_Pontus + 57.40% Ottoman_MA2196
3.53808203 70.80% Greek_Pontus + 29.20% Tubalar
3.54167550 63.80% Greek_Pontus + 36.20% Karluk_DA230
3.71858162 65.80% Greek_Pontus + 34.20% Karakalpak
3.79536492 64.60% Greek_Pontus + 35.40% Ottoman_MA2195
3.81547515 64.40% Greek_Pontus + 35.60% Nogai_Stavropol
3.81732947 68.00% Greek_Pontus + 32.00% Karakhanid_DA204
3.90521998 68.80% Armenian_East + 31.20% Nogai_Stavropol
3.90721575 63.20% Hemshin + 36.80% Nogai_Stavropol
3.96091537 28.40% Altaian_Chelkan + 71.60% Greek_Pontus
4.00615137 70.60% Greek_Pontus + 29.40% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.03772495 66.00% Hemshin + 34.00% Nogai_Astrakhan
4.07975006 64.80% Hemshin + 35.20% Karakalpak
4.10308282 47.60% Armenian_East + 52.40% Ottoman_MA2196
4.11526853 62.80% Laz + 37.20% Nogai_Stavropol
4.17043965 70.20% Armenian_East + 29.80% Karakalpak
4.18918491 72.20% Greek_Pontus + 27.80% Kipchak_DA23
4.23706374 73.20% Armenian_East + 26.80% Kazakh
4.23837193 65.60% Laz + 34.40% Nogai_Astrakhan
Y: N-VL73
MT: C4a1a-a4
Code:Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 29.8
2 Gedrosia 15.29
3 North_European 12.4
4 Atlantic_Med 12.25
5 East_Asian 10.14
6 Siberian 8.2
7 Southwest_Asian 8.12
8 South_Asian 2.75
9 Northwest_African 0.45
10 Sub_Saharan 0.31
11 East_African 0.27
Distance to: X
2.12297000 44.00% Greek_Cappadocia + 56.00% Uzbek
2.70818180 46.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 53.40% Uzbeki
3.27236085 49.00% Greek_Rhodes + 51.00% Uzbeki
3.40976651 61.60% Greek_Cappadocia + 38.40% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
3.43885449 49.60% Greek_Kos + 50.40% Uzbeki
3.49908494 43.20% Greek_Cypriot + 56.80% Uzbek
3.80373224 46.20% Greek_Rhodes + 53.80% Uzbek
3.88312322 45.80% Greek_Cypriot + 54.20% Uzbeki
4.04788039 47.00% Greek_Kos + 53.00% Uzbek
4.14052889 20.20% Assyrian_North + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.17879778 20.40% Azeri_Jew + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19416302 20.20% Assyrian_West + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19903656 20.20% Assyrian_South + 79.80% Ottoman_MA2196
4.19996143 20.00% Kurdish_Jew + 80.00% Ottoman_MA2196
4.20469191 24.00% Iraqi_Baghdad + 76.00% Ottoman_MA2196
4.20753196 20.40% Mandean + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.25235351 58.20% Greek_Cappadocia + 41.80% Karakhanid_DA204
4.25263530 25.40% Kurd_Kurmanji + 74.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.25650390 19.80% Iraqi_Jew + 80.20% Ottoman_MA2196
4.35088945 51.00% Greek_Crete + 49.00% Uzbeki
4.36068022 60.00% Armenian_West + 40.00% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.43642222 57.20% Greek_Pontus + 42.80% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41
4.44018961 19.80% Armenian_West + 80.20% Ottoman_MA2196
4.44552478 23.40% Kurd_Sorani + 76.60% Ottoman_MA2196
4.50667867 20.40% Armenian_East + 79.60% Ottoman_MA2196
Turkish speaking Iranian from Markazi province:
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Gedrosia: 23.14
Siberian: 3.30
NW_African: 1.56
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 5.26
North_European: 7.97
South Asian: 5.01
East_African: 0.91
SW_Asian: 12.41
East_Asian: 4.10
Caucasus: 36.33
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Saveh_Iranian
4.50896884 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.96442789 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.06649817 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
6.07485802 Iran_Central
6.55492944 Iranian_Fars
6.78417276 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.82104831 Turkmen_Iraq
7.06122511 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.07765498 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.13719833 Kurd_Sorani
7.17244728 Yazidi_Kurd
7.51640206 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.90349923 Iranian_Khorasan
8.12853000 Kurd_Feyli
8.35501047 Iranian_Lur
8.43242551 Turk_Southeast
8.51847991 Azerbaijani_North
9.13410641 Iranian_Kerman
9.48440299 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.00132719 Turk_South
11.65105575 Turk_Central_East
11.76663928 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.37123680 Iranian_Mazandaran
12.38856731 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.70443623 Udi_Azerbaijan
Target: Saveh_Iranian
Distance: 2.3838% / 2.38383912 | ADC: 0.5x RC
52.8 Azerbaijani_Iran
33.5 Iranian_Fars
13.7 Turkmen_Iran
Republic Azerbaijani from Aghdara/Martakert:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n_2021.svg.png
Gedrosia: 22.60
Siberian: 1.76
NW_African: 1.45
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 7.11
North_European: 7.36
South Asian: 2.57
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.23
East_Asian: 3.64
Caucasus: 41.27
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Azerbaijani_Aghdara
2.64537332 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
3.08318018 Azerbaijani_Republic
3.51402903 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.98473337 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.10654356 Talysh_Azerbaijan
4.42253321 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.75190403 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.96721040 Yazidi_Kurd
6.35357380 Azerbaijani_North
6.37257405 Turkmen_Iraq
6.54808369 Kurd_Sorani
7.10902947 Udi_Azerbaijan
7.13978991 Turk_Southeast
7.24421148 Kurd_Feyli
7.75213519 Iranian_Lur
7.81626509 Turk_East
8.05418525 Iran_Central
8.31815484 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
9.25373978 Turk_Central_East
9.69737593 Iranian_Fars
10.40899611 Turk_South
10.70185031 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.24441195 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.86064079 Azeri_Jew
11.90843399 Turk_Central_West
Target: Azerbaijani_Aghdara
Distance: 1.9054% / 1.90541221 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.0 Azerbaijani_Republic
29.9 Talysh_Azerbaijan
22.1 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.0 Georgian_Adjara
Republic Azerbaijani from Tovuz:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Azerbaijan.svg
Gedrosia: 19.28
Siberian: 2.44
NW_African: 0.00
SE_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.76
North_European: 7.08
South Asian: 3.16
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.49
East_Asian: 7.90
Caucasus: 38.88
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Azerbaijani_Tovuz
4.60630003 Azerbaijani_Northwest
5.30960451 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.65515694 Turk_Southeast
6.01178842 Azerbaijani_Republic
6.04210228 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.33452445 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
7.36632201 Turk_Central_East
7.36896194 Turk_South
7.77993573 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.77262218 Turkmen_Iraq
9.01559760 Turk_Central_West
9.11242010 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.21421185 Azerbaijani_North
10.04367463 Turk_East
10.06287732 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.37840065 Yazidi_Kurd
11.06897014 Turk_Southwest
11.08650531 Kurd_Sorani
11.23623157 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.31927118 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.47400976 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.62969905 Iran_Central
11.80344018 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.16985620 Iranian_Lur
12.32959042 Kurd_Feyli
Target: Azerbaijani_Tovuz
Distance: 1.8369% / 1.83691358 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
15.8 Mandean
5.6 Japanese
Very high EA, North West does it again!
Afghan (Pashtun?)
This is her
Gedrosia 35.38 Pct
Siberian 2.88 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.63 Pct
Atlantic_Med 2.83 Pct
North_European 15.66 Pct
South_Asian 18.12 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.67 Pct
East_Asian 1.67 Pct
Caucasus 18.78 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.39 Pct
Distance to: Yalda
2.34991489 Pashtun_Kandahar
3.66862372 Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
4.81498702 Pashtun_Tarkalani
4.99732929 Pashtun_Uthmankhel
5.69630582 Tajik_Kabul
6.32317167 Kho
7.14099433 Pashtun_Yusafzai
8.62220389 Kalash
8.69029919 Nuristani
9.57114936 Pamiri_Ishkashim
Distance to: Yalda
1.14750794 70.40% Pashtun_Kandahar + 29.60% Pashtun_Uthmankhel
1.14933641 8.60% Nepali_Khas_Brahmin + 91.40% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.19623689 93.80% Pashtun_Kandahar + 6.20% West_Bengal_Brahmin
1.23999705 24.40% Kho + 75.60% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.25004554 7.20% Brahmin_Uttaranchal + 92.80% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.25724327 12.00% Haryana_Ror + 88.00% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.28978370 89.00% Pashtun_Kandahar + 11.00% Punjabi_Jatt
1.30589982 5.20% Kshatriya + 94.80% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.32325800 7.40% Gujarati_Brahmin + 92.60% Pashtun_Kandahar
1.33447602 4.80% Bangladeshi + 95.20% Pashtun_Kandahar
Alawite/Assyrian?
https://i.ibb.co/gVpkckX/Omar.png
Distance to: Omar
7.03614952 Nusayri_Turkey
7.16958855 Lebanese_Muslim
9.06952590 Assyrian_South
9.07224338 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.15149168 Assyrian_West
9.20462384 Mandean
9.28298443 Iraqi_Jew
9.31544953 Kurdish_Jew
9.36005342 Azeri_Jew
9.61032778 Assyrian_North
9.78891209 Lebanese_Christian
10.48352040 Armenian_West
10.59739591 Turk_East
10.61611040 Turk_Southeast
10.68745526 Syrian_Muslim
10.96389073 Turkmen_Iraq
11.11570061 Turk_Cyprus
11.27101149 Turk_Central_East
11.61697465 Greek_Cypriot
11.70430690 Palestinian
Target: Omar
Distance: 1.8788% / 1.87880230 | ADC: 0.25x RC
50.7 Nusayri_Turkey
18.6 Georgian_Adjara
16.0 Iranian_Lur
10.6 Algerian
4.1 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
Target: Omar
Distance: 3.6033% / 3.60326885 | ADC: 0.5x RC
53.7 Nusayri_Turkey
23.7 Yazidi_Kurd
15.3 Turk_East
7.3 Algerian
Distance to: Omar
3.88009138 81.60% Armenian_West + 18.40% Moroccan
4.03959988 17.60% Algerian + 82.40% Armenian_West
4.16604901 83.80% Azeri_Jew + 16.20% Moroccan
4.22910303 83.40% Assyrian_North + 16.60% Moroccan
4.26920574 15.40% Algerian + 84.60% Azeri_Jew
4.29925225 16.00% Algerian + 84.00% Assyrian_North
4.39116736 84.60% Assyrian_South + 15.40% Moroccan
4.42067392 14.80% Algerian + 85.20% Assyrian_South
4.43767307 84.40% Assyrian_West + 15.60% Moroccan
4.45022396 15.00% Algerian + 85.00% Assyrian_West
4.45871722 15.40% Iranian_Bandari + 84.60% Nusayri_Turkey
4.48735519 82.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 17.80% Parsi_India
4.52601039 10.20% Nuristani + 89.80% Nusayri_Turkey
4.52891096 24.60% Iranian_Fars + 75.40% Nusayri_Turkey
4.53184045 90.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 9.80% PAK_Kohistani
4.53578547 88.40% Nusayri_Turkey + 11.60% Tajik_Panjshir&Kapisa
4.55558565 9.00% Burusho + 91.00% Nusayri_Turkey
4.56730038 90.20% Nusayri_Turkey + 9.80% Sindhi_Hindu
4.57328813 12.40% Balochi + 87.60% Nusayri_Turkey
4.61488331 10.00% Kalash + 90.00% Nusayri_Turkey
Someone should open a new thread, it is amazing that we already have 4 Dodecad threads, hopefully we will have at least 4 again with the same number of pages(and of course with many new samples);)
I plotted my whole Iran spreadsheet of Dodecadk12b samples and tried to mark the rough clusters by myself (small mistakes are to be excused). I also added the turkish clusters (non-balkan turkish) for reference. It's consistent with multiple studies indicating there is a central Iranian cluster most Iranians fall under (with their respective differences). Only outliers are Balochs, Turkmens, Armenians/Assyrians and Bandari populations.
https://i.imgur.com/ZJo8ttO.jpg
n= +400
Turkey samples included:
Spoiler!
Some cluster may appear too big in comparison to others, but that's only because of larger sample size.
Hello everyone. Leto, Kyp, Aren - I appreciate the work you're doing.
And I've learned that the original K12b spreadsheet had a lot of population groups with atypical average results?
In particular when it comes to the Caucasus scores among Assyrians, Mandeans and Armenians.
For instance, the Assyrian Caucasus score shouldn't be anywhere near as high as 52.2% and the North Euro score anywhere near as low as 0.9% even if you divide the group into North, South and West?
It seems the non-Beduin peoples of the Iranian Peninsula, Mesopotamia, East Anatolia, South Caucasus and the Levant aren't as distinctly different as the original Dodecad K12b spreadsheet could have you believe.
Are you/they still adding results from here to the Vahaduo updated K12b spreadsheet?
If so, I think you should only add those with known identity, in order to avoid skewed results due to confirmation bias.
The Turkmen_Iraq group seem to be based entirely on the Turkish-sounding names on the Iraq DNA project?
I think a big chunk of the individuals in those tests have known mixed ancestry, even if they have a Turkish, Kurdish, Christian or tribal Arabic name.
We also have to remember that just because someone is scoring like a Kurd_Kurmanji or Azerbaijani_Dagestan doesn't mean he identifies as such.
The results of randomly discovered kit numbers and K12b results of unknown individuals shouldn't be added to any of the population groups in my opinion.
These are my results. Kurd, Kermanshah province, Sunni.
Gedrosia: 25.74%
Siberian: 0.61%
NWAfrican: 1.16%
SEAsian: 0.35%
Atlantic-Med: 7.78%
North European: 8.42%
S Asian: 3.10%
E African: 0.73%
SW Asian: 14.41%
E Asian: 0.39%
Caucasus: 37.30%
Sub Saharan: 0.00%
In Vahaduo format:
Kurd_Kermanshah,25.74,0.61,1.16,0.35,8.42,7.78,3.1 0,0.73,14.41,0.39,37.30,0.00
This was an interesting result I came across. Not sure how common it is in that region, but it's a Kurd from Dohuk.
Gedrosia: 24.67%
Siberian: 0.81%
NWAfrican: 0.13%
SEAsian: 0.00%
Atlantic-Med: 9.55%
North European: 4.65%
S Asian: 0.81%
E African: 0.70%
SW Asian: 17.97%
E Asian: 0.97%
Caucasus: 39.54%
Sub Saharan: 0.21%
Kurd_Dohuk,24.67,0.81,0.13,0.00,9.55,4.65,0.81,0.7 0,17.97,0.97,39.54,0.21
Hi and welcome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagrosian
We try and find the best available samples. The current spreadsheet is a huge improvement compared to the original one. Iraqi Turkmens are supposed to score similar to Azerbaijanis and Kurds, so I don't think the average is all too far from reality. But the sample size isn't big, you're right. Your own results are appreciated.
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I think the Iraqi Turkmens are a very diverse group, stemming from different waves of Turkic migration, from Anatolia, Iran/Azerbaijan and Central Asia, which hasn't homogenized into one distinct group. Some have lived relatively isolated whereas others are intertwined and hard to distinguish from their local Kurdish or Arabic co-religionists.
I think you would struggle to find many Sunni Kirkuki Turkmens with four Turkmen grandparents. It's a group that is and has been very prone to marry outside their ethnic group. This is why so many of them are more into Iraqi nationalism than pan-Turkism.
Where do we draw the line between what is an Iraqi Turkmen and what is an Iraqi of mixed ancestry?
I think the Iraqi_Turkmen average is not representative at all of the Shia Turkmen of Tuz Khurmatu, south Kirkuk province and Tal Afar.
These groups have lived more isolated from Arabs. I don't think their South-West Asian score would be higher than Kurds'.
Assyrian_North,18.39,0.1,1.16,0.16,10.77,2.3,0.67, 0.09,19.02,0.11,47.22,0
Assyrian_South,17.88,0.14,1.52,0.19,10.92,2.02,0.7 4,0.28,19.27,0.17,46.83,0.02
Assyrian_West,17.46,0.09,1.42,0.13,11.51,2.31,0.47 ,0.17,19.11,0.11,47.21,0.02
What regions or subgroups do these refer to and where are the results taken from?
West = Syriac Orthodox from Mardin/Qamishli area?
South = Iraqi Chaldeans?
North = Urmia / Hakkari Nestorians?
It seems that the remarkable results of Sardinians, Basques, Iranian Lurs, Saudis and Assyrians in the old spreadsheets that are still circulating is partly due to seemingly mixed individuals being filtered out of the group in favor of the seemingly least mixed ones.
I can see how or why that would be useful or interesting, but it could also mislead people into thinking that's how average results look from those groups. I didn't for one second believe that the average Saudi will score only 0.30% Sub-Saharan, but the Assyrian average seemed plausible since it's a much smaller and more endogamic group.
@Aren
I think I read a post where you said you aren't motivated to post Assyrian results because you find them boring. If that's the case, then I have to strongly disagree with that.
I'm very interested in finding out how common it is for Assyrians to score over 50% Caucasus and less than 1% North Euro.
Please share with us more results from different denominations/towns if you have any.
Here are my results:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagrosian
Gedrosia 17.45
Siberian -
Northwest African 1.97
Southeast Asian -
Atlantic Med 9.82
North European 2.02
South Asian 0.24
East African -
Southwest Asian 19.57
East Asian -
Caucasus 48.88
Sub Saharan 0.05
The Iraqi_Turkmen average is my made from samples listed as Turkmen from Iraqi DNA Project aswell as from persons that identified as Turkmen and posted their results online. So far there has not been a result that didn't fit this average imo or that was a strong outlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagrosian
In case of Iraq Turkmens and them being almost always mixed, I think then it's ok if the average reflects it in this case. Otherwise they could score like Turks or Azerbaijanis for example.
But it will surely improve as more samples will be found.
Thank you for sharing your results. It seems you would fall somewhere between the old and the 3 new Assyrian population data avg.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinshen
May I ask what town(s) you hail from and which denomination?
Hmm...interesting. I haven't seen any Iraqi Turkmen results apart from the ones with Turkish names in the Iraqi DNA project.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Do you know if any of those Turkmens that posted their results online had Shia background from Salahaddin/Kirkuk governorates?
I think there have been 2 results from Kirkuk posted in Turkish DNA facebook group. But I don't know their background.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagrosian
Unrelated:
Azerbaijani (Republci) from northwestern Salyan:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n_2021.svg.png
Gedrosia: 21.90
Siberian: 1.62
NW_African: 1.29
SE_Asian: 0.05
Atlantic_Med: 9.17
North_European: 10.59
South Asian: 4.42
East_African: 0.00
SW_Asian: 12.24
East_Asian: 1.05
Caucasus: 37.67
SSA: 0.00
Distance to: Azerbaijani_Salyan
4.04497219 Azerbaijani_Karabakh
4.13800677 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.23706266 Azerbaijani_Republic
5.18486258 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.38964748 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.16614953 Azerbaijani_North
6.18945070 Turk_Southeast
6.19245509 Azerbaijani_Northwest
6.61947883 Yazidi_Kurd
7.04339407 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.04508339 Turkmen_Iraq
7.29834228 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.56741039 Kurd_Sorani
8.85838586 Turk_Central_East
8.93434944 Iranian_Fars
9.31916842 Turk_South
9.43162234 Kurd_Feyli
9.67006722 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.72063270 Iranian_Lur
9.78197322 Iranian_Khorasan
10.12674183 Turk_East
10.19512138 Turk_Central_West
10.52849467 Iranian_Kerman
10.79698569 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.44442659 Iraqi_Baghdad
Target: Azerbaijani_Salyan
Distance: 1.6678% / 1.66781721 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.0 Azerbaijani_Republic
24.9 Kurd_Kurmanji
22.3 Iranian_Kerman
10.6 Bulgarian_Thrace
1.2 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
Turkmen I posted is from Kirkuk, but he is Sunni.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagrosian
As for his background, per his own words, he is 100% Iraqi Turkmen, no other known non-Turkic ancestors.
Where can I find the result?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterling Archer