what is your chart number?Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
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what is your chart number?Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
I am RS1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boudica
interesting, i'm us245Quote:
Originally Posted by Apotheosis
Interesting how? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Boudica
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Can I get a graph please?
I'm UK35. :D
Actually, the samples are considerably bigger for many ethnicities (e.g., 40 Russians).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nero
The nature of the research is such that a small amount of samples is sufficient to make some conclusions (unlike with haplogroups), seeing how there is a large correlation between ethnicity and genetic make-up, and it is affected by relatively minor admixtures. For instance, all Russians without visible admixtures show similar general patterns.
The total amount of samples which establishes the framework is fairly large, about 700 Europeans. That is quite enough for 6-8 elements. If it is specifically Polako that you do not trust, then DODECAD, 23andme, etc. show similar results in a different form, and their samples are larger.
P.S. I'm not even a member of the project yet.
Could somebody make a chart for me too? AlabamaMan? Somebody? :D haha I´d appreciate it. I´m FI6. Expecting interesting results. :tongue
Apotheosis
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...n1/rs1rmsd.png
New World
- US 63.10
- CA 66.82
- AU 69.20
Old World
- RS 10.75
- RO 15.31
- BAL 19.45
- MD 26.10
- HU 30.22
- AJ 32.46
- IT 35.82
- N.IT 39.02
- GR 41.47
- AT 44.57
(as you know, Eurogenes is a bit unspecific on Southern Europe and beyond)
(updated with Sahson's calculator fix)
Imperivm
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...perivm_fix.jpg
New World
- US 26.04
- AU 26.48
- CA 27.37
Old World
- DK 9.41
- NL 10.19
- NO 11.40
- SE 12.19
- Kent 23.47
- UK 25.89
- US 26.04
- AU 26.48
- DE 26.49
- CA 27.37
- AT 35.64
- FR 36.71
- Cornwall 43.12
(updated with Sahson's calculator fix)
Don Brick
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3.../Don_Brick.jpg
New World
- US 44.65
- CA 46.81
- AU 48.00
Old World
- FI 16.82
- Chuvash 33.43
- N. RU 33.68
- DE 36.06
- RU 36.46
- UA 39.46
- AT 41.49
- HU 42.48
- FR 42.68
- EE 43.23
(updated with Sahson's calculator fix)
Thanks man. I think it's really interesting that according to the chart I am closer to Italians than I am to Greeks. I think it's more likely that there is not enough data or the sample of Greeks are from the very south (Crete, Peloponnese, etc) or I am indeed closer to grand old Romans... :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Humanophage
Could someone make one for me, NO2?
Can I hae wan tae? Its the usual suspects who dinny ken wit tae dae.
Those who do them could start charging a small fee.
UK39
Which spreadsheet are you using? this one looks out of date, check the romanian figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanophage
This is the one I made for Apothesis, you can see that they are distinctly different.
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/...n1/rs1rmsd.png
New World
US 55.29
CA 58.41
AU 60.68
Old World
1. MD 11.06
2. HU 22.08
3. RO 24.41
4. RS 27.29
5. PL 30.54
6. BY 33.14
7. UA 33.84
8. RU 34.46
9. AT 36.45
10. N. IT 40.04
I appreciate the help, but to be honest some of the results look pretty... off. Seems that others are using different spreadsheets. Could someone have another go at it? FI6. Thanks a lot. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanophage
Thank you. Indeed, I was using the first posted spreadsheet, without the fix. I somehow missed it in the flurry of pictures. The changes seem to be:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sahson
1) Romanian figures
2) Swiss figures
3) There were no Spanish figures initially
Updated the list, everything save for Romania stayed the same. The results are so high for Chuvash and N. Russians not because of some Asiatic admixtures, which you don't have, but because of your high Finnic admixtures (called 'East European'). If you sort out the EU9 results by 'East European', you will find that only Finns, Chuvash, Russians, and North Russians have such high levels of it. There are individuals like 2 out of 19 Swedes, but they are outliers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Brick
Of course, now that I've lost some credibility, somebody else has to confirm that post. I am quite certain of its accuracy though.
Pallantides
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...allantides.jpg
New World
- AU 12.21
- CA 14.06
- US 15.59
Old World
- UK 9.71
- Kent 9.79
- NO 12.30
- NL 16.38
- DE 24.28
- SE 24.40
- Cornwall 24.78
- DK 27.72
- S.W. Scot 31.37
- AT 34.05
(made with Sahson's update)
I'm certain it is hardly surprising for you, Pallantides.
And the dutch, and german's were corrected :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Humanophage
NORDIC POWER 14/88!!1Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanophage
:laugh:
Thanks a lot Humanophage, and Sahson too. Yes, it all makes sense. It was indeed the Romanian result in particular I was wondering about. Then again all these results by country tend to vary quite a bit depending on the run in question so you can get all kinds of hits. I love how overwhelming the "Finnic" element is in this one haha. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Humanophage
Once again the absence of MENA components might be skewing the results for Southern Euros...
PT1
West European (Peaks in the Pyrenees) : 52.20%
South European ( Peaks in Calabria and Greece) : 28.46%
North European ( Peaks in the north sea shores) : 15.20%
Northwest European (Peaks in Ireland and Cornwall) : 2.56%
East European ( Peaks in North Russia) : 1.56%
Eurogenes EU9d results:
North European: 0.332533
Northwest European: 0.323281
South European: 0.190074
Baltic: 0.114494
West European: 0.039578
East European: 0.00001
North Asian: 0.0001
East Asian: 0.00001
Sub-Saharan African: 0.00001
Compared to other populations:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/pic...pictureid=2438
New World:
U.S. 12.43
Canada 15.6
Australia 17.89
Old World:
Germany 14.65
Austria 15.65
Switzerland 19.05
Kent 19.85
France 20.1
I just realised that Davids latest run is really quiet interesting.
"Northern European"
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1315188086
"North Atlantic"
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1315188095
"Balto-Slavic"
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1315188072
Had no nerves to do the other ones yet. ;)
EDIT: Almost forgot to warn you: The Slavic value of the Belgians... is wrong (forgot to change it). Just ignore it ;)
Actually, Davids post about his latest run is now removed from Eurogenes blog. Seems like he wasn't too pleased with it himself - I wonder why would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick
What's curious, is how you chose the ranges of percentage that decides where to draw those lines.
For Germanic blood connection it's - 22%
Celtic blood connection - 28%
For Balto-Slavic blood connection it's more than twice that of the Germanic range - 51%
What are ou talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by thea
Its still there?:
http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/07/g...europe_20.html
I chosed it like this: 30% and up = inside, 29 and lower = outsideQuote:
What's curious, is how you chose the ranges of percentage that decides where to draw those lines.
For Germanic blood connection it's - 22%
Celtic blood connection - 28%
For Balto-Slavic blood connection it's more than twice that of the Germanic range - 51%
That was the rule for Germanic, Celtic and Slavic alike.
The boundary is just there to increase the impression, that the highest percentage regions indeed somewhat resemble the historical core regions of these people. Its not meant to "exclude" some one. ;)
But including the Balkan and Finland into the Germanic boundary just wouldnt have suited my point. ;)
EDIT:
Well, your right, its not the latest run but from "Wednesday, July 20, 2011"
Anyways. I made the maps from that run, not from the latest then.
Its still good (on nation averages level), dont know for individual level (this problem between that GErmanic and Celtic element beeing quiet noisy for individuals because both elements are extemely similiar)
That map has a huge overlap of Germany, Lower Countries, Kent and an undefined part of France.
I guess Johnston can keep his dream of West-Germanic unity. ;)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/att...1&d=1315320704
I can't find myself on that map. :confused:
UPDATE: Interactive MDS analysis of the East Baltic
Component #1 seems to be largely a Finnic-like (Left) vs. Baltic-like (Right) component.
Component #2 is less obvious, or at least doesn't have a general rule like the first component.
The MDS seems a little unclear to me. I took the data from EU7c and applied it to a few individuals:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...Dimensions.gif
Let's say, RU35, RU38, RU43 and UARU1 are practically on the same spot in Gnuplot, but their admixture data are rather disparate (EU9b):
RU38 has a low East Euro score, UARU1 has a high one. RU38 has a major NW Euro score, UARU1 has a low one. RU35 has an above average Baltic score, RU43 a below average one.Code:RU35 RU38 RU43 UARU1
West European 0.00001 0.00001 0.04354 0.12867
East European 0.23711 0.10697 0.19530 0.27455
Northwest Euro 0.16932 0.26514 0.12118 0.00001
North European 0.00757 0.00001 0.13341 0.08963
East Asian 0.00001 0.00001 0.00948 0.00001
South European 0.09117 0.00001 0.10884 0.08717
Sub-Saharan 0.00001 0.00001 0.00001 0.00001
North Asian 0.00001 0.00695 0.01003 0.00001
Baltic 0.49481 0.62087 0.37817 0.41992
Genetic substructures across West Eurasia (DIY teaser)
My results:
27.54% Northeast_Euro
2.24% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
0.87% South_Asian
49.94% West_Euro
0.93% Southeast_Asian
0.02% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.01% East_Siberian
0.07% East_Asian
9.28% East_Mediterranean
1.32% Middle_Eastern
6.07% West_Asian
1.72% Volga-Ural
My results:
West_Asian 44.36
East_Mediterranean 24.61
Middle_Eastern 17.63
West_Euro 10.24
South_Asian 2.23
East_Asian 0.42
Volga-Ural 0.29
Northeast_Euro 0.12
Sub-Saharan 0.1
North_African 0
Southeast_Asian 0
South_Siberian 0
North_Asian 0
East_Siberian 0
DIY? DIFM please...
Yes. Eurogenes modification of the Dodecad DIY. Genetic substructures across West Eurasia (DIY teaser)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
My results in that K14, test tool:
35.26% Northeast_Euro
0.04% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
0.01% South_Asian
49.38% West_Euro
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.01% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
2.32% East_Mediterranean
3.69% Middle_Eastern
5.14% West_Asian
4.15% Volga-Ural
63.00% West_Euro
16.89% East_Mediterranean
13.31% Northeast_Euro
3.50% Middle_Eastern
1.16% North_African
1.10% Sub-Saharan
0.73% East_Siberian
0.27% East_Asian
Looking forward for something more groundbreaking. Some results are a bit off too, low NA and high SSA
Well, that certainly is quite general. I would have preferred a North European and a West Mediterranean cluster as well. This way, everyone seems part-Northeast European, and it is largely impossible to tell apart between East Europeans.
82.35% Northeast_Euro
11.85% West_Euro
2.45% East_Mediterranean
1.82% Middle_Eastern
0.72% West_Asian
0.77% Volga-Ural
0.04% South_Asian
0.00% Sub-Saharan
0.00% North_African
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% South_Siberian
0.00% North_Asian
0.00% East_Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
I have a lower Volga score than Germans and Englishmen :)
After some of my experiments, I doubt there that is a general North African cluster. It seems this was a composite, and soaking up a lot of Sub-Saharan African.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadu
So I tried to break it up. That left only 50-60% North African in the Mozabite Berbers, and higher Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan scores in everyone who used to score North African.
This can be done with a lot of clusters that represent large regions, but are based on small groups of people from the same ethnic groups.
I think the ADMIXTURE run will be different for you. From memory it was. But I didn't save the results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humanophage
It looks like the DIY didn't get the same amount of detail because you matched other Russians so well.