Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Leto

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Thanks, she is not from Wallachia though. I'll add to the other table.

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I've replaced the initial RO and MD in the source with the unmixed_average on your sheets:

Romania_Muntenia,21.74,24.52,16.95,11.73,19.26,2.3 1,0.82,0.55,1,0.45,0.34,0.26,0.07
Romania_Oltenia,23.83,25.02,17.91,10.68,17.72,1.81 ,0.67,0.85,0.60,0.40,0.37,0.09,0.06
Moldavia,23.83,28.02,16.76,9.92,15.75,1.88,0.55,0. 59,1.39,0.58,0.45,0.15,0.12


based on the results posted by Leto:

Distance to: seya
3.09122953 Moldavia
4.17001199 Bulgarian_Sofia
4.49553111 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.64296687 Serbian_new
4.74205652 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.74621955 Serb_Croatia
5.09506669 Montenegrin
5.34985047 Romania_Oltenia
5.58154101 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.73466651 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.77171105 Macedonian
5.89811834 Romania_Muntenia


then, in spite of my low Baltic (31%) I am still modeled as half Ukrainian with the 3 (RO_Olt, RO_Mun, MD) in the source, nothing removed from source, I mean (Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + South_Polish + Estonian + Southeast_English is 54.8):

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.3391% / 0.33906266
45.6 Ukrainian
21.4 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.2 Sardinian
4.6 French_Basque
4.2 Tabassaran
3.6 Balkar
3.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
2.8 South_Polish
2.0 Estonian
1.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.4 Georgian_imereti
1.4 Southeast_English

all three from the spreadsheet - they don't seem to get any strong one population, it's a diarrhea of a result for each:


this guy who has more Baltic than me (almost 34%) gets modeled like this:

Target: BT
Distance: 0.3666% / 0.36659857
27.2 Macedonian_Central
17.8 Belorussian
14.6 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
10.0 Macedonian_Southwest
8.8 Latvian
6.0 Cossacks_Kuban
4.8 Erzya
2.4 Russian_Smolensk
2.0 Sardinian
1.6 Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain
1.4 Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey
1.0 South_Polish

others:

Target: NT
Distance: 0.3426% / 0.34264928
22.0 Greek_Western-Macedonia
19.6 Bulgarian_Northwest
13.4 Cossacks_Kuban
9.8 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
6.8 Belorussian
6.0 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.6 Laz
5.2 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
3.4 Macedonian_Greece
3.0 Latvian
1.2 North_Ossetian
1.0 Norwegian


Target: VS
Distance: 0.1375% / 0.13753587
14.4 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
11.2 Cossacks_Kuban
10.4 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
6.2 Estonian
5.8 Greek_Thessaloniki
5.6 Bulgarian_Ruse
5.2 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
5.0 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
4.6 Macedonian_Central
4.2 Latvian
4.0 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
3.6 Sardinian
3.2 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
3.2 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
2.4 Pomak_Xanthi
2.2 Serb_North-Macedonia
2.0 Southwest_Finnish
1.4 Selkup
1.0 Greek_Central-Macedonia

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

I've replaced the initial RO and MD in the source with the unmixed_average on your sheets:

Romania_Muntenia,21.74,24.52,16.95,11.73,19.26,2.3 1,0.82,0.55,1,0.45,0.34,0.26,0.07
Romania_Oltenia,23.83,25.02,17.91,10.68,17.72,1.81 ,0.67,0.85,0.60,0.40,0.37,0.09,0.06
Moldavia,23.83,28.02,16.76,9.92,15.75,1.88,0.55,0. 59,1.39,0.58,0.45,0.15,0.12


based on the results posted by Leto:

Distance to: seya
3.09122953 Moldavia
4.17001199 Bulgarian_Sofia
4.49553111 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.64296687 Serbian_new
4.74205652 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
4.74621955 Serb_Croatia
5.09506669 Montenegrin
5.34985047 Romania_Oltenia
5.58154101 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.73466651 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
5.77171105 Macedonian
5.89811834 Romania_Muntenia


then, in spite of my low Baltic (31%) I am still modeled as half Ukrainian with the 3 (RO_Olt, RO_Mun, MD) in the source, nothing removed from source, I mean (Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + South_Polish + Estonian + Southeast_English is 54.8):

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.3391% / 0.33906266
45.6 Ukrainian
21.4 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.2 Sardinian
4.6 French_Basque
4.2 Tabassaran
3.6 Balkar
3.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
2.8 South_Polish
2.0 Estonian
1.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.4 Georgian_imereti
1.4 Southeast_English

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See the guys Boychuk and Tsurkan Lazareva. They are allegedly Rusyns/Hutsuls, so maybe you'll get modelled better with them as your Ukrainian side.

To make it easier for you, the average of them two:
Rusyn_Ukraine,28.11,36.96,13.035,5.08,12.055,1.05, 0,0,2.695,0.52,0,0,0.48

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

See the guys Boychuk and Tsurkan Lazareva. They are allegedly Rusyns/Hutsuls, so maybe you'll get modelled better with them as your Ukrainian side.

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Tsurkan is not Rusyn, this is for sure. But Boychuk yes, is a high probability to be from Carpathian region.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Tsurkan is not Rusyn, this is for sure. But Boychuk yes, is a high probability to be from Carpathian region.

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I thought we stopped at her being very similar to a Rusyn, despite her paternal family name. Perhaps just half West Ukrainian then or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

See the guys Boychuk and Tsurkan Lazareva. They are allegedly Rusyns/Hutsuls, so maybe you'll get modelled better with them as your Ukrainian side.

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I am ok with how this models me, it seems quite accurate - it keeps my Ukrainian half and for the Romanian half it breaks it down into Balkanic, Caucasian and Sardinian, sounds right.

when I add Boiciuc (funnily my dad's paternal line is of Boyko origin, our village is mixed Hutsul/Rusyn/Boyko, told you Germans were majority until WW1 and some Gorals got lost in the village too over time, including my dad's mom's mom):

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.3510% / 0.35103336
41.4 Ukrainian
17.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
11.6 Boiciuc
6.2 Sardinian
5.2 French_Basque
5.2 Ukrainian_Belgorod
3.8 Tabassaran
3.0 Georgian_imereti
2.6 Balkar
1.4 South_Polish

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

I am ok with how this models me, it seems quite accurate - it keeps my Ukrainian half and for the Romanian half it breaks it down into Balkanic, Caucasian and Sardinian, sounds right.

when I add Boiciuc (funnily my dad's paternal line is of Boyko origin, our village is mixed Hutsul/Rusyn/Boyko, told you Germans were majority until WW1 and some Gorals got lost in the village too over time, including my dad's mom's mom):

Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.3510% / 0.35103336
41.4 Ukrainian
17.2 Greek_Northern-Thrace
11.6 Boiciuc
6.2 Sardinian
5.2 French_Basque
5.2 Ukrainian_Belgorod
3.8 Tabassaran
3.0 Georgian_imereti
2.6 Balkar
1.4 South_Polish

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Your Romanian side is not accurate at all. It looks Aromanian/Greek. It's very South-shifted for Wallachia, let alone for Vaslui.

Your Vaslui genes are just too strong and also we need more samples.

Target: Nurzat_1/2Vaslui_1/2Ukrainian
Distance: 382.9294% / 3.82929376
73.2 Romania_Vaslui_average
26.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0 Rusyn_Ukraine
0.0 Ukrainian
0.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod

Romania_Vaslui_average,25.96,27.62,16.23,9.46,15.9 0,1.49,0.18,0.09,2.01,0.49,0.23,0.12,0.24

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

I thought we stopped at her being very similar to a Rusyn, despite her paternal family name. Perhaps just half West Ukrainian then or something like that.

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Yes, but she, bassed on her surname is not Rusyn, she seem to be from Chernivtsi, Odessa or Nikolaev oblast.

https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A6%D1%83...BA%D0%B0%D0%BD

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Your Romanian side is not accurate at all. It looks Aromanian/Greek. It's very South-shifted for Wallachia, let alone for Vaslui.

Your Vaslui genes are just too strong and also we need more samples.

Target: Nurzat_1/2Vaslui_1/2Ukrainian
Distance: 382.9294% / 3.82929376
73.2 Romania_Vaslui_average
26.8 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.0 Rusyn_Ukraine
0.0 Ukrainian
0.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod

Romania_Vaslui_average,25.96,27.62,16.23,9.46,15.9 0,1.49,0.18,0.09,2.01,0.49,0.23,0.12,0.24

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I've noticed all Romanians get modeled on K13 with Vlach-like populations (northern Greece, Macedonia) and for the Slavic-Vlach mix they get northwest Bulgaria, Bulgaria Dupnitsa, like that. in the end I think it reads it well as Vlach-East Slavic more recent mix than the ones in the West Balkans.

also, some of my Ukrainian % on this is certainly from the northeast Romanian side, and this balances the Vlach %.