Serbian Autosomal DNA

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

from Vojvodina

North_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian Northeast_Afr Sub0Saharan

26.35 23.93 19.28 9.2 16.51 1.17 2.64 0.93 0 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00

29.15 24.38 18.11 5.65 17.03 2.89 0.63 0 1.73 0.31 0 0.11 0

21.75 25.45 16.87 13.04 17.59 1.18 1.56 0.7 0.56 0.31 0.22 0.14 0.63

25.88 27.57 18.12 7.9 17.73 1.24 0.17 0 0.08 1.3 0 0 0

20.25 28.47 17.62 8.98 20.51 2.74 0 0 0.48 0.76 0.12 0 0.07

20.85 29.26 14 13.95 17.61 1.36 0 0.72 0.85 0.42 0.16 0 0.83

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

all ancestry from the Čačak area

All in southern half of Serbian autosomal range.

https://i.imgur.com/UhN2zQL.png

01-31-2021, 07:30 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

These Vojvodina Serbs are in line with Milenko. Basically southern Serbian results that reflect what we know of their origin from historical sources.

I have to say it's really sad that even some ethnic Serbs took the Croatian bait and believe that those from Vojvodina are 'pure' Serbs while southerners like the ones in Niš and Leskovac are just a bunch mutts.
Fact is that if we discount Srem there's just as many Gypsies in Vojovodina as in the south and plenty more individuals mix with them.

All Serbs are Serbs, there are no "pure" and "non-pure" because of regional origin.

BTW there are Gypsies in Srem, too. I don't understand why are you mentioning them in this topic?
02-01-2021, 01:18 AM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

All Serbs are Serbs, there are no "pure" and "non-pure" because of regional origin.

BTW there are Gypsies in Srem, too. I don't understand why are you mentioning them in this topic?

Why am I mentioning them? Haven't you seen a bunch of internet comments in the lines of 'white Serbs live in Vojvodina, those from the south are mixed with Gypsies and Turks'!? People comparing Vojvodinians to Croats in pigmentation, etc. Just a bunch of dumb stereotypes really. I'm trying to say that most Serbs from municipalities south of the Danube and Sava rivers have more Slavic DNA than native Vojovdina Serbs and less individuals with exotic admixture.
02-01-2021, 03:41 AM
MINARDOWICZ

I am not Serbian but I only missed the sample by A LITTLE. I am not Baltic enough and too North Atlantic... SO CLOSE!

1 North_Atlantic 33.18
2 Baltic 21.21
3 West_Med 17.12
4 East_Med 15.96
5 West_Asian 7.8
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Amerindian 0.84
8 South_Asian 0.58
9 Sub-Saharan 0.33
10 Oceanian 0.06
11 Northeast_African 0.05
02-01-2021, 07:29 AM
MandM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

These Vojvodina Serbs are in line with Milenko. Basically southern Serbian results that reflect what we know of their origin from historical sources.

I have to say it's really sad that even some ethnic Serbs took the Croatian bait and believe that those from Vojvodina are 'pure' Serbs while southerners like the ones in Niš and Leskovac are just a bunch mutts.
Fact is that if we discount Srem there's just as many Gypsies in Vojovodina as in the south and plenty more individuals mix with them.

correect me if i am wrong, but are you saying that I and other from Vojvodina are mixed with Exotic elements??? and does from the south are more "Slavic"
02-01-2021, 01:18 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milenko

correect me if i am wrong, but are you saying that I and other from Vojvodina are mixed with Exotic elements??? and does from the south are more "Slavic"

Not you, obviously, but on average in Vojvodina you will find more people who have exotic admixture but identify as Serbs. And, yes, Serbs from most areas south of the two rivers are somewhat more Slavic, you're about the same as Serbian Torlakian speakers.
02-01-2021, 03:03 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

Why am I mentioning them? Haven't you seen a bunch of internet comments in the lines of 'white Serbs live in Vojvodina, those from the south are mixed with Gypsies and Turks'!? People comparing Vojvodinians to Croats in pigmentation, etc. Just a bunch of dumb stereotypes really. I'm trying to say that most Serbs from municipalities south of the Danube and Sava rivers have more Slavic DNA than native Vojovdina Serbs and less individuals with exotic admixture.

These are stupid malicious comments of Croatian trolls, I dont pay attention on that.

Tiny regional difference is more east-west, than north-south, as Krajina and Bosnian Serbs have bit more Slavic share. But that difference will be less and less in next generations, since high rate of marriages of Serbs from different regions.

I dont see any exotic in Vojvodina Serb, neither southern Serbian results.
I am in same line as Milenko and these other two Vojvodina Serbs, only a bit northern shifted.

https://i.imgur.com/tqPmlbV.png
02-01-2021, 03:23 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

These are stupid malicious comments of Croatian trolls, I dont pay attention on that.

Tiny regional difference is more east-west, than north-south, as Krajina and Bosnian Serbs have bit more Slavic share. But that difference will be less and less in next generations, since high rate of marriages of Serbs from different regions.

I dont see any exotic in Vojvodina Serb, neither southern Serbian results.
I am in same line as Milenko and these other two Vojvodina Serbs, only a bit northern shifted.

https://i.imgur.com/tqPmlbV.png

But some Serbs have bought into it, that's the problem. There's a Danish guy who toured most of the countries in Europe and the surrondings in the past few monhts and made a video comparing Serbia and Croatia. He had to reupload it, but the original one had a LOT of comments. Some Serbs wrote a bunch of bullshit how our country has great regional differences, that people from Vojvodina tend to be hardly any different from Croats, while those from the south have darker skin and hair.
Like you I am indifferent to Croats and Bosniaks saying stuff like that, but it really pisses me off to see it come from one of my own people.
02-01-2021, 03:24 PM
CommonSense

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02-01-2021, 03:46 PM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by CommonSense

But some Serbs have bought into it, that's the problem. There's a Danish guy who toured most of the countries in Europe and the surrondings in the past few monhts and made a video comparing Serbia and Croatia. He had to reupload it, but the original one had a LOT of comments. Some Serbs wrote a bunch of bullshit how our country has great regional differences, that people from Vojvodina tend to be hardly any different from Croats, while those from the south have darker skin and hair.
Like you I am indifferent to Croats and Bosniaks saying stuff like that, but it really pisses me off to see it come from one of my own people.

Among Serbs exist some idiots who say that southern Serbs are Turkish influenced, serbified Bulgarians or mixed with Bulgarians. Those are nonsenses, and should not pay attention to it.

It's not surprise the fact that some native Vojvodinian Serbs are more southern than Serbian average and in the level of southern Serbs. Because large part of native Vojvodinian Serbs are descendants of settlers from Kosovo and SE Serbia (migrations from 16th to 18th century), especially in Banat. I thinks native Serbs of Vojvodina are pretty diverse, because of their deeper origin from various regions from Kumanovo to the Bela Krajina.
I know few examples of native Vojvodinian Serbs who are more northern than Serbian average. For example Delija from Poreklo who is half Banat half Syrmian Serb is significant more northern than current Serbian average.
02-01-2021, 03:51 PM
Altaylı

Serbs and bosnians are not Turkish-Turkic influenced they are normal but maybe some small serbian groups are Turkic influenced because of Ottomans or Cuman pecheneg etc.
02-01-2021, 07:59 PM
Leto

Two presumable Montenegrins (recent kits)

North_Atlantic 25.17 Pct
Baltic 30.37 Pct
West_Med 15.64 Pct
West_Asian 8.46 Pct
East_Med 15.4 Pct
Red_Sea 2.65 Pct
South_Asian 0.37 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.07 Pct
Oceanian 0.85 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

North_Atlantic 24.75 Pct
Baltic 23.55 Pct
West_Med 19.69 Pct
West_Asian 10.79 Pct
East_Med 17.76 Pct
Red_Sea 2.04 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.07 Pct
Siberian 0.17 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.94 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.23 Pct
02-01-2021, 08:07 PM
CommonSense

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altaylı

Serbs and bosnians are not Turkish-Turkic influenced they are normal but maybe some small serbian groups are Turkic influenced because of Ottomans or Cuman pecheneg etc.

Only Romanians have some individuals with Cuman-like influnce. Remember that Tatars live in Romania even to this very day. There are Romanian people like Seya who score 4% Siberian + East Asian. Anywhere else that would be quite an outlier.
02-01-2021, 08:13 PM
Dušan

Siberian score is most likely from east Slavs ancestors. Nothing Turkic.
Sungir6 medieval Russian had that, it is nothing unusual.

And interesting, for example, South Asian score K13 of 2.43% is recorded in medieval Lusatian Sorb. I would say Iranic influence.

So nothing exotic if small amount of these components are found today among us.
02-01-2021, 08:20 PM
Dušan

Medieval Slavic samples Ukraine Chernigov and Ukraine Lutsk had also Siberian score of 1.2% and 1.6%.
02-02-2021, 05:57 AM
Altaylı

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

Siberian score is most likely from east Slavs ancestors. Nothing Turkic.
Sungir6 medieval Russian had that, it is nothing unusual.

Maybe some Hunnic ancestry?
02-03-2021, 04:03 PM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altaylı

Maybe some Hunnic ancestry?

I would say from some Finnic tribes that live near Slavs in east Europe, such as Mordvins, Vepsi etc.
02-03-2021, 04:05 PM
Altaylı

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

I would say from some Finnic tribes that live near Slavs in east Europe, such as Mordvins, Vepsi etc.

yes makes sense.
02-04-2021, 07:32 PM
Dušan

My new match from Gedmatch.

Population
North_Atlantic 24.69 Pct
Baltic 32.05 Pct
West_Med 17.12 Pct
West_Asian 8.72 Pct
East_Med 13.88 Pct
Red_Sea 0.58 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.2 Pct
Siberian 0.1 Pct
Amerindian 1.65 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Updated national averages

Distance to: Svetlana
3.62013812 Serb
4.03637213 Moldovan
4.99184335 Croat
7.65175143 Romanian
7.75608148 Hungarian
8.12977859 Montenegrin
9.17598496 Slovenian
10.85931858 Bulgarian
11.18116273 Slovak
13.54416480 NorthMacedonian
13.61208287 Czech
14.39806237 Austrian
17.31114670 Ukrainian
18.78861623 Albanian
19.38449122 Polish
20.52077971 German
21.24899056 Greek
21.58026877 Russian
22.87028203 Belorussian
24.21820803 Italian

Distance to: Svetlana
2.19655872 8.20% Latvian + 91.80% Serb
2.21753297 85.80% Serb + 14.20% Ukrainian
2.23003198 9.40% Lithuanian + 90.60% Serb
2.30454140 12.60% Polish + 87.40% Serb
2.36554604 11.40% Russian + 88.60% Serb
2.39945433 10.60% Belorussian + 89.40% Serb
2.42533268 9.00% Estonian + 91.00% Serb
2.63707548 81.40% Serb + 18.60% Slovak
2.66711955 48.00% Albanian + 52.00% Ukrainian
2.66812697 69.00% Montenegrin + 31.00% Ukrainian
2.67704087 59.20% NorthMacedonian + 40.80% Polish
2.67784356 19.40% Latvian + 80.60% Montenegrin
2.71194826 8.00% Finnish + 92.00% Serb
2.73368137 36.20% Croat + 63.80% Serb
2.74297286 59.80% Albanian + 40.20% Lithuanian
2.78586832 21.60% Lithuanian + 78.40% Montenegrin
2.80199055 56.40% NorthMacedonian + 43.60% Ukrainian
2.81195910 50.80% Albanian + 49.20% Polish
2.83487185 32.40% Lithuanian + 67.60% NorthMacedonian
2.84827346 27.00% Polish + 73.00% Romanian
02-05-2021, 05:27 AM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

My new match from Gedmatch.

Population
North_Atlantic 24.69 Pct
Baltic 32.05 Pct
West_Med 17.12 Pct
West_Asian 8.72 Pct
East_Med 13.88 Pct
Red_Sea 0.58 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.2 Pct
Siberian 0.1 Pct
Amerindian 1.65 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Updated national averages

Distance to: Svetlana
3.62013812 Serb
4.03637213 Moldovan
4.99184335 Croat
7.65175143 Romanian
7.75608148 Hungarian
8.12977859 Montenegrin
9.17598496 Slovenian
10.85931858 Bulgarian
11.18116273 Slovak
13.54416480 NorthMacedonian
13.61208287 Czech
14.39806237 Austrian
17.31114670 Ukrainian
18.78861623 Albanian
19.38449122 Polish
20.52077971 German
21.24899056 Greek
21.58026877 Russian
22.87028203 Belorussian
24.21820803 Italian

Distance to: Svetlana
2.19655872 8.20% Latvian + 91.80% Serb
2.21753297 85.80% Serb + 14.20% Ukrainian
2.23003198 9.40% Lithuanian + 90.60% Serb
2.30454140 12.60% Polish + 87.40% Serb
2.36554604 11.40% Russian + 88.60% Serb
2.39945433 10.60% Belorussian + 89.40% Serb
2.42533268 9.00% Estonian + 91.00% Serb
2.63707548 81.40% Serb + 18.60% Slovak
2.66711955 48.00% Albanian + 52.00% Ukrainian
2.66812697 69.00% Montenegrin + 31.00% Ukrainian
2.67704087 59.20% NorthMacedonian + 40.80% Polish
2.67784356 19.40% Latvian + 80.60% Montenegrin
2.71194826 8.00% Finnish + 92.00% Serb
2.73368137 36.20% Croat + 63.80% Serb
2.74297286 59.80% Albanian + 40.20% Lithuanian
2.78586832 21.60% Lithuanian + 78.40% Montenegrin
2.80199055 56.40% NorthMacedonian + 43.60% Ukrainian
2.81195910 50.80% Albanian + 49.20% Polish
2.83487185 32.40% Lithuanian + 67.60% NorthMacedonian
2.84827346 27.00% Polish + 73.00% Romanian

Do you know where she is from?
02-05-2021, 07:33 AM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Do you know where she is from?

According to surname, probably from this village.
https://www.poreklo.rs/2018/06/04/po...ribir-skradin/

But it could be surname of her husband...
02-05-2021, 07:52 AM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

According to surname, probably from this village.
https://www.poreklo.rs/2018/06/04/po...ribir-skradin/

But it could be surname of her husband...

I know two families from Bribir (Bijelić and Stevelić).

Most of your matches are Krajina Serbs right?
02-05-2021, 07:58 AM
WeirdLookingFellow

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

from Vojvodina

[table][tr][td]North_Atlantic[/td][td]Baltic[/td][td]West_Med[/td][td]West_Asian[/td][td]East_Med[/td][td]Red_Sea[/td][td]South_Asian[/td][td]East_Asian[/td][td]Siberian[/td][td]Amerindian[/td][td]Oceanian[/td][td]Northeast_Afr[/td][td]Sub0Saharan[/td][/tr]

[tr][td]29.15[/td][td]24.38[/td][td]18.11[/td][td]5.65[/td][td]17.03[/td][td]2.89[/td][td]0.63[/td][td]0[/td][td]1.73[/td][td]0.31[/td][td]0[/td][td]0.11[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]

Very close to mine, somewhat, though I lack the Red Sea.
North_Atlantic 28.06 Pct
Baltic 24.76 Pct
West_Med 17.53 Pct
West_Asian 6.52 Pct
East_Med 18.76 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.1 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.37 Pct
Amerindian 1.36 Pct
Oceanian 0.22 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.32 Pct
02-05-2021, 08:39 AM
Dušan

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Very close to mine, somewhat, though I lack the Red Sea.
North_Atlantic 28.06 Pct
Baltic 24.76 Pct
West_Med 17.53 Pct
West_Asian 6.52 Pct
East_Med 18.76 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.1 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.37 Pct
Amerindian 1.36 Pct
Oceanian 0.22 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.32 Pct

No surprise since we are closest to each other in terms of autosomal genetics.

https://i.imgur.com/vvTyjfJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/3nWZUNb.png

I have very simmilar percentage like forum member Zmey Gorinich.
02-05-2021, 08:42 AM
Varda

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

No surprise since we are closest to each other in terms of autosomal genetics.

https://i.imgur.com/vvTyjfJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/3nWZUNb.png

I have very simmilar percentage like forum member Zmey Gorinich.

Where are Bosniaks?
02-05-2021, 01:17 PM
vbnetkhio

2 results from the Poreklo forum

Варићак, Босанска Крајина, I2-PH908

North_Atlantic 24.96
Baltic 28.39
West_Med 16.70
West_Asian 11.83
East_Med 15.89
Red_Sea 0.35
South_Asian 0.84
East_Asian 0.38
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.67
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -

Нанић, Жегар, Северна Далмација, I2-S17250

North_Atlantic 22.44
Baltic 27.42
West_Med 18.63
West_Asian 8.70
East_Med 19.44
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.23
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.60
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.54
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
09-15-2022, 01:07 AM
Geni_kameni

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varda

Where are Bosniaks?

odakle si ti decko? vojvodina?
09-24-2022, 05:28 PM
OrdinaryWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

Dear Vlach Gypsy, I have a tithes of Serbian kits. I don't have permission to show all them publically. I gave some kits to certain members on pm these days.

Opinion of Pashtun living in New York about Serbian genetic is not important.

You are also Vlach, something like half of your genome so shut up
01-31-2024, 07:45 AM
OrdinaryWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

..

Serbs from Krajina are onorary Vlachs and Thracians. Do you know that?
01-31-2024, 07:53 AM
OrdinaryWorld

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

No surprise since we are closest to each other in terms of autosomal genetics.

https://i.imgur.com/vvTyjfJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/3nWZUNb.png

I have very simmilar percentage like forum member Zmey Gorinich.

You are dumb. You are Daco-Thracian embrace your vlachness
01-31-2024, 07:54 AM
Mortimer

Here is how much i differ from average of serbs...

Population
North_Atlantic 16.82 Pct
Baltic 16.39 Pct
West_Med 15.92 Pct
West_Asian 15.35 Pct
East_Med 15 Pct
Red_Sea 2.7 Pct
South_Asian 13.19 Pct
East_Asian 1.77 Pct
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.51 Pct
Oceanian 1.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.37 Pct
02-01-2024, 04:31 AM
MandM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Here is how much i differ from average of serbs...

Population
North_Atlantic 16.82 Pct
Baltic 16.39 Pct
West_Med 15.92 Pct
West_Asian 15.35 Pct
East_Med 15 Pct
Red_Sea 2.7 Pct
South_Asian 13.19 Pct
East_Asian 1.77 Pct
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.51 Pct
Oceanian 1.12 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.37 Pct

Well you have about the same East_Med as the average Serb, if am not correct allways somthing

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North_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	Northeast_Afr	Sub0Saharan
26.35	23.93	19.28	9.2	16.51	1.17	2.64	0.93	0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00
29.15	24.38	18.11	5.65	17.03	2.89	0.63	0	1.73	0.31	0	0.11	0
21.75	25.45	16.87	13.04	17.59	1.18	1.56	0.7	0.56	0.31	0.22	0.14	0.63
25.88	27.57	18.12	7.9	17.73	1.24	0.17	0	0.08	1.3	0	0	0
20.25	28.47	17.62	8.98	20.51	2.74	0	0	0.48	0.76	0.12	0	0.07
20.85	29.26	14	13.95	17.61	1.36	0	0.72	0.85	0.42	0.16	0	0.83