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Then why did they depict people from that region differently...and why did they call them "Asiatics"? Did you forget this internet celebrity jpeg?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ouroboros
http://www.catchpenny.org/images/seti1a.gif
So I think you should revise/edit the first 6 words of your 2nd sentence.
I just googled ancient Egyptians. Show me the depictions of them that shows them as black. Not depictions of slaves, but of the Eygptians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
"DNA does not prove shit, take instead this painting as a hundred times more reliable evidence of how Egyptians might have looked like"Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...012d1f88d3.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by RN97
before you scream 'SLAVE' thats King Tut's mom
Cheeky lighting there fam :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
http://i.imgur.com/uJyVJp0.png
Yes, dna does not prove shit unless they do a thorough genetic study...this is not some inbred Amazonian tribe, but a crossroad of 3 continents and a center of civilization for 3 milleniaQuote:
Originally Posted by Viriato
Frank you homo , stop with your rep comments.
You are grasping straws...typical Eurocentrist. Does your brightened pic show anything different? Does the Egyptian resemble the Canaanite?Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
I agree that there could be people with different genetic backgrounds living next to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
Ancient Egypt society was probably similar to India in reguards to race/ethnic backgrounds. There were high and low castes.
Maybe some dinasties were more tolerant with minorities.
The tatoos of the White guy from left are quite cool.....Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
NO, You're a naughty boy and need to stop with the racial and religious diarrhoea in every thread. TIAQuote:
Originally Posted by Egyptian
Looks caucasoid and wood does that m8. Originally it wasn't that dark. They did have some SSA admixture so it's not such a weird lookQuote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
Imagine her with lighter skin, looks like:
http://i.imgur.com/T02AXu3.jpg
bahahaha...ok, to me she reminds me of Michelle Obama, and Tut himself looked like Malia ObamaQuote:
Originally Posted by RN97
http://i1.wp.com/revelationnow.net/w...size=640%2C300
What they considered about themselves is not the last word in any discussion. The ones prepared to tell the history of ancient Egyptians are modern scientists/historians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
It's like using Herodotus as an authority for the history of Ancient Greece*. lol
*Obviously Herodotus should be used, but as SOURCE not as scientific authority.
So the Egyptians of today are white or what are you trying to say? You're proving nothing. Look at how minoas depicted themselves:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
http://i.imgur.com/SoMseQz.jpg
Euro-centric would be to claim them to be..... European, not middle eastern/ north African.
Well according to the Shuenemann et al.2017 study, Ancient Egyptians have 1/3 of their DNA they share with Europeans (Anatolian and the Gedrosia-like Neolithic Iran). But is we look at the results of that study, the results are just like Modern Egyptian, minus 8% SSA. So these gedmatch results are on the same page as the the Shuenemann et al. 2017 study. The closest modern day percentage match is Bedouins from Saudi Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Clearly mediterrenean people with roman noses, lacking alveolar prognathism or dolicocephalic heads and wavy-straight thick mediterrenean hair. Pretty accurate and how a Lebanese Cypriot or Cretan might look today.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
The Egyptians depicted themselves with thick lips, big African eyes, many times prognathic and had curly/nappy hair that was plaited, shaved or replaced with Weaves/Wigs
A quick Google search: "King Tut mother’s tomb is believed to have been discovered in the Valley of the Kings; however, no mummy was actually located. The tomb is next to King Tut’s burial site but remains shrouded with mystery due to the absence of an actual body. The tomb is known as KV63 and was found as a cache filled with coffins and storage jars. Many of the coffins yielded nothing except the sixth one which contained six pillows. These pillows remain a mystery as well, but it is thought these pillows could have been important items belonging to the queen during her lifetime and could have been used as bedding while her body went through the mummification process. Of course this is all still speculation; however, if this embalming storage was in fact King Tut’s mother’s tomb, it would have been in conjunction with King Tut’s final wishes; that he be buried next to his mother."Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
:picard1:
"She was his mother, 100% sure bro!"
She could as well just be a Somali slave buried next to the King. It's know that Egyptian nobility used to be buried with their servants next to them in order for them to keep looking for them on the afterlife. Not even after death Somali slaves were free from their serventy, lol.
Also there are other supposedly sculptures of Tut mom who depict her completely different and way lighter.
They look caucasian and were depicted as brown=Quote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
1. Mixed negroid/ caucasoids with caucasian features
2. mostly caucasoids that were brown
You chose nr. 1. pls tell me why. Seems agenda driven. It's like if I claimed that turkic people were originally European because of chinky looking Europeans.
This is a wooden bust King Tut's mother, Thuya:Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...012d1f88d3.jpg
But this is Thuya's mummy, big difference in appearance:
https://i0.wp.com/marchofthetitans.c...cs-1.jpg?w=482
According to the Shuenemann et al. 2017 study, the Ancient Egyptian results clustered with Bedouins and their DNA percentages were closer to modern Bedouins of the Arabian peninsula. See how dark they are:Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
https://eappiblog.files.wordpress.co...pg?w=584&h=389
http://joshuaproject.net/assets/medi.../p10759_iz.jpg
And according to the same study, ancient Levantines had much less SSA than today, which means they would have looked more like this Syrian:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...0-21%29_08.jpg
Which would explain what we are seeing here:
http://www.touregypt.net/images/touregypt/race1.jpg
Why are they so close to Sicilians and Ashkenazim?? This is incredible. I am proud :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
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Originally Posted by mlukas
Same here. My guess is one of the native populations of the region must have had some links to North Africa and Egypt.. maybe Sicanians.
Hol' up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Old kingdom Egyptian statues
Prince Hemiunu
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2646/...407e129f81.jpg
High priest Ranofer
https://www.oneonta.edu/faculty/farb...nofer_head.jpg
Pharoah Khafre
https://www.almendron.com/artehistor...pto-fig-28.jpg
Prince Rahotep and Princess Nofret
https://ka-perseus-images.s3.amazona...07e4105fe7.jpg
The seated scribe
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...1d6c4199c2.jpg
Pharaoh Menkaure and his queen Kha-Merer-Nebu II
http://www.ephotobay.com/image/picture-26-109.png
xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Wadaad
Just leave this shit going because you're starting to sound like a true afrotard.
Libya was a Greek colony for 800 years and even before the foundation of Tripolis by the Greeks the land is recorded to have had a white European-Levantine population by the Egyptians. For example Septimus Severus was born to an Italian Roman mother and a Punic, ie. Phoenician father in Libya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isleño
Northern Africa was never black at any time in recorded history. The population was European-Levantine since recorded history began and before recorded history Berber, and the Brebers where of white Arab appearance.
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/BY6X6X/port...sia-BY6X6X.jpg
..............
First look at ancient Egyptian mtDNA:
http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com/2017/...ian-mtdna.html
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Thanks to Schuenemann 2017 we finally have DNA from the ancient Egyptians. It sequenced three ancient Egyptian genomes and 90 ancient Egyptian mtDNA genomes. All of the samples come from Middle Egypt and range in age from about 1300 BC to 300 AD.
The genetic affinity of the ancient Egyptians doesn’t carry any surprises. They were native to the Middle East. With published ancient DNA we can trace their roots back 12,000 years to that region. But unlike other ancient Middle Eastern DNA, the ancient Egyptians also harbored a little bit of some sort of Sub Saharan African ancestry(5-10%).
I’ve taken a close look at the ancient Egyptian mtDNA results. So here’s a first glimpse into the mtDNA affinity of the ancient Egyptians…..
Like their genome-wide affinity the ancient Egyptian’s mtDNA is distinctively Near Eastern. Not just Middle Eastern but Near Eastern. Recall earlier this year I pointed out that modern Egyptian mtDNA shows affinity to the Near East not NorthWest Africa. They share most mtDNA first with modern Egyptians but then also Arabians and peoples in the Levant(Syria, Lebanon, etc). A mere 1%(1 sample) belonged to Sub Saharan African mHG L(xM, N). Modern Egypt though has a frequency of 20% frequency!
A handful of mHGs characterized ancient Egyptian mtDNA. 44% belonged to the following mHGs: R0a 7.8%, HV1 6.7%, J2a2 6.7%, T1a 14.4%, M1a 5.6%, I 4.4%.
Every single one of those mHGs is specific to the Near East-North Africa except for U6a and M1a which make a significant presence Iberia and many parts of Africa.
Today R0a, HV1, and J2a2 interesting all peak in Egypt. And the ancient Egyptians had as high of a frequency in those mHGs as you’ll find in any modern population. Their high frequency of J2a2(6.7%) is even more interesting considering it has been found in the Natufians. J2a2 seldom appears outside of the SouthWest Asia-North Africa. Last year I classified it Near Easter(See here). J in Europe is dominated by J1c while J1b-J1d dominates J in much of the Middle East.
R0a has a more international distribution than J2a2 and HV1. Like J2a2 it peaks in the Near East but it also surprisingly has a strong presence as far east as India. Several examples R0a have been found in Neolithic and Bronze age Jordan.
Saying the ancient Egyptians had a lot of T1a doesn’t say much considering T1a is equally popular in most of West Eurasia(from Ireland to Iran). The T1a clades the ancient Egyptians belonged to: T1a7, T1a2, T1a5, T1a8, all are Near Eastern-specific. None of them belonged to European-SC Asian T1a1. Most of my modern T1a7 samples are from Egypt. All of my Egyptian T1a7 samples belong to an unclassified T1a7 clade, it’ll be interesting to see if these ancient Egyptians belonged to that clade.
Here’s the most important differences between ancient Egyptian mtDNA and modern Egyptian+Near Eastern mtDNA: moderns have a lot more J1b, H, U3, and African L(xM, N).
So..they weren't "WE WAZ KANGS N SHIEET", lol. I've been saying this for many years now; the ancient Egyptians cluster the closest to their modern descendants and their neighbors in the southern Levant and Arabia.
Hyksos king Epaphus I/Apopis I ruled in Egypt in about 1645 BC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
But the Hyksos didn't replaced the population of Egypt though, and the Egyptians cluster the closest to Arabians who are genetically predominately Natufian than to the today's genetic isolated groups of the Levant who are genetically more northern due to the admixture with the ancient Anatolians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raine
not really it looks kind of close. The nose is probably just hooked on the skull because when they removed the brains for the mummification process it probably made it like that. They used to hook out the brain from the nasal cavity / noseQuote:
Originally Posted by Isleño
The bust looks east african too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUZP_BaZL94Quote:
Originally Posted by Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin
Never implied that. Aren't those samples from Egyptian royalty/kings anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
No, they are mostly from the average Egyptian cemeteries from 3 three periods of Egypt, and all of them show that they cluster with Arabians, Palestinians, Jordanians, Samaritans and today's Egyptians than to other peoples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raine
I have been to Cairo museum and many many statues look black african.Quote:
Originally Posted by RN97
I would have never guessed Levantine, but who knows maybe they depicted them more African than they actually were.
Admix Results (sorted):Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
# Population Percent
1 Natufian 59.9
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 17.85
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 17.28
4 Sub_Saharan 4.97
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Levant_BA 5.64
2 Saudi 6.86
3 Jew_Yemenite 7.16
4 Cypriot 7.74
5 Jew_Tunisian 8.05
6 Palestinian 8.81
7 Jew_Libyan 8.97
8 Druze 9.21
9 Lebanese 9.37
10 Jew_Moroccan 9.99
11 Jordanian 10.64
12 BedouinA 11.28
13 Syrian 11.97
14 Jew_Ashkenazi 14.31
15 Jew_iraqi 14.63
16 Jew_Iranian 14.99
17 Italian_South 15.26
18 Assyrian 15.61
19 Egyptian 15.78
20 Sicilian 16.33
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.8% Jew_Yemenite + 22.2% Anatolia_N @ 1.71
2 62.2% Levant_BA + 37.8% Jew_Libyan @ 1.79
3 81.6% Jew_Yemenite + 18.4% Europe_EN @ 1.91
4 65% Levant_BA + 35% Jew_Moroccan @ 2.02
5 59.7% Levant_BA + 40.3% Jew_Tunisian @ 2.09
6 79% Saudi + 21% Anatolia_N @ 2.2
7 85.4% Levant_BA + 14.6% Spanish @ 2.21
8 94.7% Levant_BA + 5.3% Motala12 @ 2.23
9 94.6% Levant_BA + 5.4% SHG @ 2.26
10 95.2% Levant_BA + 4.8% WHG @ 2.27
11 95.2% Levant_BA + 4.8% Hungarian_KO1 @ 2.27
12 87.8% Levant_BA + 12.2% English @ 2.3
13 86.9% Levant_BA + 13.1% French @ 2.31
14 88.8% Levant_BA + 11.2% Icelandic @ 2.31
15 75.9% Levant_BA + 24.1% Sicilian @ 2.31
16 89.7% Levant_BA + 10.3% Lithuanian @ 2.34
17 89% Levant_BA + 11% Europe_LNBA @ 2.35
18 87.8% Levant_BA + 12.2% Czech @ 2.36
19 73.4% Levant_BA + 26.6% Jew_Ashkenazi @ 2.37
20 88.4% Levant_BA + 11.6% Norwegian @ 2.38
Statues are not accurate scientific proven fact as are remains, face reconstruction, and dna results which suggest they were nothing black alike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raine