But doesn't your Y comes from some NW euro sourse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
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But doesn't your Y comes from some NW euro sourse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Yeah, it's ''very important'' to know who was your great-grandmother's great granfather, and does she haved some Vlach or Nordic input from her great-grandfathers maternal side. :rofl_002:Retarded as fuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
This is Europe/Balkans, not fucking New World. We know where we generally cluster, but Y-DNA can tell us much more, espessialy about our direct male ancestors.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Only dinaric Talibans and Albanians care about y dna so much, in that you're similar. what are you talking about dude, before dna test i had no idea how will i cluster and it came as huge suprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tschaikisten
Set in the mid 17th century during thirty yeArs war, the story follows life of "Krabat" a 14 year old Wendish beggar boy living in eastern Saxony
You have thinked that you will cluster with Scandinavians, or Greeks, or Arabs? Don't make me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
Of course that other lines of family are important (I have tested maternal cousin Y-DNA) and that autosomal matches could be useful for geneaological research of that lines, but your direct line is most useful and thankful for researching.
Yeah, my Y dna points to non paternal event or rape, I'm really thrilled to learn more about it man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tschaikisten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krabat_(novel)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
aha, a fantasy novel
Also there could be non-paternal events in other lines, but you will harder determine it, or literally there is no chance for it. Autosomal dna can not tell you about that, especially when rapists have same autosomal picture like in this region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
what's your mother side ydna ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tschaikisten
Krabat is Sorbian folkheroQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
Grandpa from my maternal side died last year before I was going to test him, so I must find some cousin from that side for test. Year before cousin from my maternal's grandma side is tested (I have payed test), he's R1a-Z280>YP951.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
I think you talk about my trial calculators..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
This NEW calculator K10 Balto Slavic and works best for ALL Europeans, if you have Global 25 coordinates I can send result, no problem.
K10 Balto Slavic statistics:
Component peaks in
North African - Ethiopian Jew 66%
Anatolian Pontic - Iraqi Jew 87%
Central Asian - Uzbek 74%
South Balkan - Montenegrin 70%
Mediterranean Islander - Maltese, Ashkenazi Jew 77%
Iberian and Italian Peninsulas - French South 77%
Pannonian and Bessarabian- Hungarian, Moldovan 46%
Balkan - Serbian, Croatian 70%
Northwest European - Irish 93%
Baltic - Lithuanian 95%
(Cumansky) @ 1.0811
52.8 Baltic
21.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
13.2 Balkan
7.4 South Balkan
3.2 Northwest European
1.4 North African
0.8 Central Asian
(Portuguese) @ 2.2719
50 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
35.4 Mediterranean Islander
10.2 Northwest European
4.4 North African
(British, Irish) @ 1.7352
90.6 Northwest European
3.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
2.4 Baltic
2.2 Mediterranean Islander
1.4 Balkan
(Albanian) @ 3.4905
33.6 South Balkan
21.6 Balkan
16.6 Anatolian Pontic
15.8 Mediterranean Islander
12.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
(Scottish) @ 0.7527
94.2 Northwest European
2.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
1.6 Baltic
0.8 Central Asian
0.8 Balkan
(Romanian) @ 1.1472
50 South Balkan
30 Pannonian and Bessarabian
7.4 Balkan
5.2 Baltic
4.6 Central Asian
3.2 Northwest European
(Bulgarian) @ 2.0856
41.4 South Balkan
24.6 Anatolian Pontic
12.8 Central Asian
5.8 Balkan
5.4 Northwest European
4.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
3.2 Mediterranean Islander
2.6 North African
(Croatian) @ 0.8801
35.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
22.4 Baltic
20.2 Balkan
15.6 Northwest European
6 South Balkan
(Cossack Ukrainian Academic Sample) @ 1.0972
56.4 Baltic
34 Pannonian and Bessarabian
5.2 Balkan
2.4 Central Asian
2 Northwest European
(Cossack Kuban Academic Sample) @ 2.1286
60 Baltic
15.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
11.6 Northwest European
6 Central Asian
4.2 South Balkan
2.4 Balkan
(Balkan Turk) @ 1.8362
36.6 Anatolian Pontic
32 Balkan
8.2 South Balkan
8.2 Mediterranean Islander
6.8 Central Asian
6.6 Pannonian and Bessarabian
0.8 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
0.8 North African
you still haven't sent to meQuote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
My bad computer not working so cannot use R, for Webrunner nMonte not loading in phone or other device, I try to dig some Lithuanian samples now..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
Strange. Website is working fine for me. Your calc is there but it is not publicly available, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cumansky
so 23andme rendered you mostly Bosnian/Croatian and not Serbian...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ford
German @ 0.3124
62.2 Northwest European
13.6 Pannonian and Bessarabian
6.6 Baltic
6.6 Balkan
5 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
4.4 South Balkan
1.6 Mediterranean Islander
Scythian Ukraine 009 @ 4.0361
52.4 Baltic
15.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
11.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
8.2 Northwest European
7.4 Balkan
5.2 South Balkan
Scythian Ukraine 010 @ 3.6713
26.2 Balkan
24.2 Baltic
17.4 Northwest European
15.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
10 South Balkan
6.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
Scythian Ukraine 011 @ 7.4036
58.2 Northwest European
15.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
12.4 Anatolian Pontic
10.8 Central Asian
1.4 Baltic
1.4 North African
Kipchak @ 2.9297
74.6 Central Asian
6.6 Pannonian and Bessarabian
5.8 Anatolian Pontic
5.4 Northwest European
2.4 South Balkan
1.8 Baltic
1.8 North African
1.6 Balkan
Avar Hungary Szolad @ 1.1872
50.8 Baltic
34.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
9.2 Northwest European
4.2 South Balkan
1.6 Balkan
Slovak 77 @ 1.1912
43.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
34.2 Baltic
12.8 South Balkan
6.6 Northwest European
3.2 Balkan
Polish 10 @ 2.2895
32.4 Baltic
30 Pannonian and Bessarabian
21.6 Northwest European
10.2 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
5 South Balkan
0.8 North African
Ukrainian 11 @ 1.1732
40 Baltic
25.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
17.6 Balkan
8.2 Northwest European
6.8 South Balkan
1.6 Central Asian
Ukrainian 21 @ 1.4293
56.4 Baltic
31.6 Balkan
9.4 Pannonian and Bessarabian
2.6 South Balkan
Russian Orel 89 @ 1.1161
47.4 Baltic
37.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
8.8 Balkan
2.8 South Balkan
2.2 Northwest European
1.6 Central Asian
Lithuanian E2 @ 1.7893
83.4 Baltic
10.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
3.4 Balkan
1.6 South Balkan
0.8 Northwest European
Mordovian 10 @ 2.8382
61.4 Baltic
24.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
12.8 Central Asian
0.8 Balkan
0.8 South Balkan
(Bosnian Serb) @ 1.3671
40.8 South Balkan
24.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
23.4 Balkan
10 Baltic
0.8 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
0.8 Northwest European
Bulgarian H2 @ 1.8426
58.8 Balkan
31.8 Mediterranean Islander
7 Anatolian Pontic
2.4 South Balkan
Slovenian 147 @ 1.2261
38.6 Balkan
26.6 Baltic
18 Pannonian and Bessarabian
9.2 Northwest European
6.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
Croatian 140 @ 1.3158
70 Balkan
18.4 Northwest European
4.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
2.4 South Balkan
2.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
1.8 Mediterranean Islander
0.8 North African
Romanian G408 @ 1.3712
62.4 South Balkan
18.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
12 Balkan
3.4 Mediterranean Islander
1.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
0.8 Anatolian Pontic
0.8 Central Asian
0.8 North African
Bosnian 13 @ 1.1518
46.4 South Balkan
25.8 Balkan
19.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
6.8 Baltic
1.8 Anatolian Pontic
Montenegrin 5 @ 0.4806
70.2 South Balkan
14 Balkan
10.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
2.4 Northwest European
1.6 Mediterranean Islander
0.8 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
0.8 Central Asian
Macedonian 6 @ 1.3851
65.8 Balkan
10.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
8.4 Anatolian Pontic
8.2 South Balkan
6.8 Mediterranean Islander
Serbian 5 @ 1.4158
67.4 Balkan
13.2 South Balkan
10.2 Pannonian and Bessarabian
5.2 Northwest European
1.6 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
1.6 Baltic
0.8 Anatolian Pontic
Greek 10 @ 1.9987
44.2 South Balkan
21.6 Anatolian Pontic
21.2 Mediterranean Islander
13 Balkan
Albanian 230 @ 2.1459
38.2 Mediterranean Islander
26.4 South Balkan
25 Balkan
5.2 Anatolian Pontic
5.2 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
Moldovan 748 @ 1.5262
41.2 Balkan
22.8 Pannonian and Bessarabian
10.8 Anatolian Pontic
8.6 South Balkan
7.4 Northwest European
3.2 Mediterranean Islander
2.4 Iberian and Italian Peninsulas
2.4 Central Asian
1.4 Baltic
In a sense, yes. Their matching system is based on ancestral locations of DNA relatives, which gives me Bosnia, Croatia and Greece as "likely" matches and Serbia and Romania as "possible" matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemgrant
YeahQuote:
Originally Posted by Not a Cop
Yeah. I get Croatia as "likely" but it should be Senegal or GhanaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ford
:icon_lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
In that case you get some Montenegrin in this calc (South Balkan) or (North African)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Moldavians are mix of Rominians, Ukrainians and Russians with few Tatars and Gagauz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
Moldavia ploting more northern than Romania because in averege for Moldavia are included citizens of Moldavia who are ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, not only Latin speaking Moldavians (Romanians).
Moldavians simply not exist as ethnicity, like Bosnians, Belgians, Australians, Canadians...
Moldova's position on PCA plots makes sense given their geography. I don't think that Slavs are included in it. When collecting autosomal samples, then capital regions are avoided as these regions tend to have a mixture of many different ethnicities, at least that's what some users on Anthrogenica said. So if the samples wre collected from rural Moldova, then the chances of Slavs being included are low. But there were cases of Gyspsies and Jews being included in these so everything is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
The main reason for the difference between Moldova and Romania is because the Romanian sample is based off of Romanians from Southern Romania (Wallachia) and thus not representative for Romamians as a whole. Romania is a big country, bigger than Yugoslavia was, so it's expected that it has some genetic diversity. Then you have the Republic of Moldova which is even further north than Romania.
The genetic (autosomal) distance between Moldovans and South Romanians is similar to the genetic distance between Bosnians and Bulgarians. The geographic distance between Moldova and Romania is probably also similar to the geographic distance between Bosnia and Bulgaria.
All genetic avereges which I see for Europe are by countries, not by ethnicities. For researches for Moldova for example it's normal to be taken samples of citizens of Moldova and Moldova is known as multi-ethnic country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Or other example, all researches for Serbia autosomal and y dna is not equal as for ethnic Serbs. Serbia (without Kosovo) has 20% minorities and majority of them are more southern shifted than ethnic Serbs: Sandžakians, non-Serb Montenegrins, Albanians, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Gypsies... Their samples make that country Serbia ploting more southern than ethnic Serbs. As you can see all Serbs from TA which tested are more northern shifted than average for country Serbia, even Moje ime and CommonSense who have some Romanian/Vlach ancestors from eastern Serbia shifted more northern than average for multi-culti country Serbia. Ford, Dick and Tschkaikisten who are full Serbs are more northern than Moje ime and CS.
Averages should be created by ethnicities, not countries. Can you imagine autosomal average for USA or Brazil? That would be horor, both are multi-racial contries.
Um, I think you're being wrong here. Those are the averages for ethnic groups, not for countries. German means ethnic German, English means ethnic English, Russian means ethnic Russian, etc. Most (if not all) of those reference populations were made of samples taken from people who stated at least 4 grandparents as being of the same ethnicity. However it is definitely true that some references do not represent their countries accurately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Even Mortimer can declared self as Serb if he feels like that, regardlees he is more than 50% Gypsy. He can say that he is Serb, but his autosomal result don't have any sense for ethnic Serbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I wonder why every single Serb whose results I have seen here (I have seen 7-8 ) are more northern ploting than "Serbian" average? Obvious something is wrong with Serbian average...
This map show % of I2a1b2a1 in Europe. 35% is in Serbia yes that is true, but ethnic Serbs have 37% I2a1b2a1 on sample of 2500. I2a1b2a1 fell for 2% due to minorities.
https://forum.krstarica.com/cache-im...0910cc9564.jpg
Bulgarians. Tatars are very few actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Moldova in 1989:
64.5% Moldovans
13.8% Ukrainians
13% Russians
3.5% Gagauz
2% Bulgarians
1.5% Jews
1.7% others
And in 2014 (excl. Transnistria):
75.1% Moldovans
7% Romanians
6.6% Ukrainians
4.6% Gagauz
4.1% Russians
1.9% Bulgarians
1% others
Mortimer is half Gypsy, he doesn't have 4 grandparents that are/were Serbs. Like I said, sometimes averages are based on samples that poorly represent their populations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
11% Russians+Ukrainians is enough to make Moldavian average quite northern than Romanian one, and give fake picture that Romanians and Moldavians are very different autosomally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I bealive that Latin speaking Moldavians are just little more northern than Romanian average, and same as northern Romanians (from Bukovina, Transylvania).
I'm pretty sure people who identify as Russian/Ukrainian or half those ethnicities were not included in the Moldovan reference population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Croatia and Croatian nation are in the hands of Croatian "Dinaric Talibans" from Herzegovina and Dalmatian Hinterland for decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
Deal with it! :)
Minorities are not included in statistics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Not forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Poor Pribislav, so badly want to niggerized an ethnicity who is more North shifted than his, because don't fit his agenda.
I'm defending Romanian interests. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Moldovano
I see Moldavians (Latin speaking) as Romanians in denial. You guys remind me on Montenegrins, who are Serbs in denial.
Northern and northwestern Croatians are not capable to lead Croatian nation as "Dinaric Taliban" Croatians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
Same is in Serbian case. Vojvodinians and Torlaks are not capable as Dinaric Serbs who are elite in Serbian nation for centuries.
Lmao, Tuđman and Tito were both northwest Croats. You can't have sucessful nation if it's led by people from most backward and ottoman influenced parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
These people care for their kin only , are highly corrupted and have more of tribal than national well-being in mind.
Tuđman was s Jew. Tito was of unknown origin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nato
Croatian Dinaric Talibans: Ante Starčević, Ante Pavelić, Maks Luburić, don Ivan Šarić, Mile Budak, Krunoslav Draganović, Tomislav Filipović ("fra satan"), Andrija Artuković, Jure Francetić, Gojko Šušak, Ante Gotovina, Mate Boban, Blaž Kraljević, Ante Trumbić, Milka Planinc, Ivan Meštrović, Mate Granić, Miljenko Hrkač, Zdravko Mamić, Milan Bandić, Ivica Todorić, Ivo Josipović, Stipe Mesić, Zoran Milanović, Marko Perković Tompson...
There is no Zagorci in Croatian political and economic elite, and very few in intelectual elite.
There's a shit ton more russians/ukraineans in R.Moldova than 11% but just like gypsies they declare themselves under this new "moldovan" banner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Around a quarter are rus/ukr and from the rest of romanians there most have atleast one rus/ukr relative down the line.