Ford's (Bosnian Serb) autosomal results

[Dick]

But doesn't your Y comes from some NW euro sourse?

Yeah

In a sense, yes. Their matching system is based on ancestral locations of DNA relatives, which gives me Bosnia, Croatia and Greece as "likely" matches and Serbia and Romania as "possible" matches.

Yeah. I get Croatia as "likely" but it should be Senegal or Ghana

[Lemgrant]

Yeah



Yeah. I get Croatia as "likely" but it should be Senegal or Ghana

[Cumansky]

Yeah. I get Croatia as "likely" but it should be Senegal or Ghana

In that case you get some Montenegrin in this calc (South Balkan) or (North African)

[Pribislav]

Looks like you're coping with the fact Romanians and Moldovans are genetically different people.

Moldavians are mix of Rominians, Ukrainians and Russians with few Tatars and Gagauz.
Moldavia ploting more northern than Romania because in averege for Moldavia are included citizens of Moldavia who are ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, not only Latin speaking Moldavians (Romanians).
Moldavians simply not exist as ethnicity, like Bosnians, Belgians, Australians, Canadians...

[Mingle]

Moldavians are mix of Rominians, Ukrainians and Russians with few Tatars and Gagauz.
Moldavia ploting more northern than Romania because in sample for Moldavia are taken citizens of Moldavia who are ethnic Russians and Ukrainians, not only Latin speaking Moldavians (Romanians).
Moldavians simply not exist as ethnicity, like Bosnians, Belgians, Australians, Canadians...

Moldova's position on PCA plots makes sense given their geography. I don't think that Slavs are included in it. When collecting autosomal samples, then capital regions are avoided as these regions tend to have a mixture of many different ethnicities, at least that's what some users on Anthrogenica said. So if the samples wre collected from rural Moldova, then the chances of Slavs being included are low. But there were cases of Gyspsies and Jews being included in these so everything is possible.

The main reason for the difference between Moldova and Romania is because the Romanian sample is based off of Romanians from Southern Romania (Wallachia) and thus not representative for Romamians as a whole. Romania is a big country, bigger than Yugoslavia was, so it's expected that it has some genetic diversity. Then you have the Republic of Moldova which is even further north than Romania.

The genetic (autosomal) distance between Moldovans and South Romanians is similar to the genetic distance between Bosnians and Bulgarians. The geographic distance between Moldova and Romania is probably also similar to the geographic distance between Bosnia and Bulgaria.

[Pribislav]

Moldova's position on PCA plots makes sense given their geography. I don't think that Slavs are included in it. When collecting autosomal samples, then capital regions are avoided as these regions tend to have a mixture of many different ethnicities, at least that's what some users on Anthrogenica said. So if the samples wre collected from rural Moldova, then the chances of Slavs being included are low. But there were cases of Gyspsies and Jews being included in these so everything is possible.

The main reason for the difference between Moldova and Romania is because the Romanian sample is based off of Romanians from Southern Romania (Wallachia) and thus not representative for Romamians as a whole. Romania is a big country, bigger than Yugoslavia was, so it's expected that it has some genetic diversity. Then you have the Republic of Moldova which is even further north than Romania.

The genetic (autosomal) distance between Moldovans and South Romanians is similar to that between Bosnians and Bulgarians. The geographic distance between Moldova and Romania is probably also similar to the geographic distance between Bosnia and Bulgaria.

All genetic avereges which I see for Europe are by countries, not by ethnicities. For researches for Moldova for example it's normal to be taken samples of citizens of Moldova and Moldova is known as multi-ethnic country.
Or other example, all researches for Serbia autosomal and y dna is not equal as for ethnic Serbs. Serbia (without Kosovo) has 20% minorities and majority of them are more southern shifted than ethnic Serbs: Sandžakians, non-Serb Montenegrins, Albanians, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Gypsies... Their samples make that country Serbia ploting more southern than ethnic Serbs. As you can see all Serbs from TA which tested are more northern shifted than average for country Serbia, even Moje ime and CommonSense who have some Romanian/Vlach ancestors from eastern Serbia shifted more northern than average for multi-culti country Serbia. Ford, Dick and Tschkaikisten who are full Serbs are more northern than Moje ime and CS.
Averages should be created by ethnicities, not countries. Can you imagine autosomal average for USA or Brazil? That would be horor, both are multi-racial contries.

[Leto]

All genetic avereges which I see for Europe are by countries, not by ethnicities. For researches for Moldova for example it's normal to be taken samples of citizens of Moldova and Moldova is known as multi-ethnic country.
Or other example, all researches for Serbia autosomal and y dna is not equal as for ethnic Serbs. Serbia (without Kosovo) has 20% minorities and majority of them are more southern shifted than ethnic Serbs: Sandžakians, non-Serb Montenegrins, Albanians, Bulgarians, Vlachs, Gypsies... Their samples make that country Serbia ploting more southern than ethnic Serbs. As you can see all Serbs from TA which tested are more northern shifted than average for country Serbia, even Moje ime and CommonSense who have some Romanian/Vlach ancestors from eastern Serbia shifted more northern than average for multi-culti country Serbia. Ford, Dick and Tschkaikisten who are full Serbs are more northern than Moje ime and CS.
Averages should be created by ethnicities, not countries. Can you imagine autosomal average for USA or Brazil? That would be horor, both are multi-racial contries.

Um, I think you're being wrong here. Those are the averages for ethnic groups, not for countries. German means ethnic German, English means ethnic English, Russian means ethnic Russian, etc. Most (if not all) of those reference populations were made of samples taken from people who stated at least 4 grandparents as being of the same ethnicity. However it is definitely true that some references do not represent their countries accurately.

[Pribislav]

Um, I think you're being wrong here. Those are the averages for ethnic groups, not for countries. German means ethnic German, English means ethnic English, Russian means ethnic Russian, etc. Most (if not all) of those reference populations were made of samples taken from people who stated at least 4 grandparents as being of the same ethnicity.

Even Mortimer can declared self as Serb if he feels like that, regardlees he is more than 50% Gypsy. He can say that he is Serb, but his autosomal result don't have any sense for ethnic Serbs.

I wonder why every single Serb whose results I have seen here (I have seen 7-8 ) are more northern ploting than "Serbian" average? Obvious something is wrong with Serbian average...

This map show % of I2a1b2a1 in Europe. 35% is in Serbia yes that is true, but ethnic Serbs have 37% I2a1b2a1 on sample of 2500. I2a1b2a1 fell for 2% due to minorities.

[Leto]

Moldavians are mix of Rominians, Ukrainians and Russians with few Tatars and Gagauz.

Bulgarians. Tatars are very few actually.

Moldova in 1989:
64.5% Moldovans
13.8% Ukrainians
13% Russians
3.5% Gagauz
2% Bulgarians
1.5% Jews
1.7% others

And in 2014 (excl. Transnistria):
75.1% Moldovans
7% Romanians
6.6% Ukrainians
4.6% Gagauz
4.1% Russians
1.9% Bulgarians
1% others

[Leto]

Even Mortimer can declared self as Serb if he feels like that, regardlees he is more than 50% Gypsy. He can say that he is Serb, but his autosomal result don't have any sense for ethnic Serbs.

I wonder why every single Serb whose results I have seen here (I have seen 7-8 ) are more northern ploting than "Serbian" average? Obvious something is wrong with Serbian average...

Mortimer is half Gypsy, he doesn't have 4 grandparents that are/were Serbs. Like I said, sometimes averages are based on samples that poorly represent their populations.