Transylvania is very much Balkan region from genetic point of view. Not central European at all. At least it seems so based on limited data I have seen.
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Transylvania is very much Balkan region from genetic point of view. Not central European at all. At least it seems so based on limited data I have seen.
They seem to score on average 3-8% more NA/Baltic summed up than Wallachians and are pretty much identical to Moldavians, apart from these Moldavian cases with over 28% Baltic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
The problem is what in your list exist two individuals with the same surname, and you don't know anything about them. And their surname is not even in top 100 or even top 200 in today Republic, but is very common in Romania. This is the reason why I don't really belive they are locals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
That's comfortably in north Balkan range. Bosnia itself is more northern shifted than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
I know that they are not a family or relatives, as I've checked just in case. I could simply keep them here and then also include in the Transylvania table. When we will have the summary, they will be assigned to the "white" region, i.e. uncertain originQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Do "-escu" surnames exist outside of Wallachia? I've got some interesting cases, which I'm not sure about.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Tranylvanians are not identicall to Moldavians, much more Balkan.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
From Romania Moldova.
M927872 - both parents from Vaslui county, rural area.
M272006 - both parents from Vaslui county, rural area.
M080231 - Botosani county father/Iasi county mother.
M827504 - Neamț county, from Tīrgu Neamț.
https://sun9-6.userapi.com/c850628/v...6Q8cpTAmT4.jpg
http://nume.ottomotor.ro/enQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
I'm trying to think based on personal experience.
A+name+ței/sei is the most common type of surname (I mean type, random surnames are more common) in Romanian Moldova, despite it being originary from the upper half of the area. Adochiței, Atodiresei, Adomniței, Avasiliței, etc.
Popescu is somewhat common. After this one, -escu names are as common as names ending in -achi/-ichi, indicating Greek ancestry.
Munteanu is a common surname.
I'm basing this on K13/15 results, not MyHeritage/23andme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
In K13/15 is mostly and seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
We have everyone, apart from M080231, which was deleted from GEDmatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
ERROR: Kit number |M080231| not found.
Forebears.io is also a good source of surnames. If you click on the country then it will go to a lower administrative level. That works for Romania and Moldova too.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Interesting, quite useful actually. What's cool is that I can see that the incidence of my surname is very common in both Vaslui and Ungheni, the Rep. Moldova county right next to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Yeah, mine is pretty common in R. Moldova, but actually more widespread in Transylvania than Moldavia.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow
Either someone had a lot of sex in Hunedoara or it spread from there East. I think that it spread from there because the village of the same name is recorded there in 1330 in Magyar records, changed names to a Saxon variation in 1448, then returned to the old name in 1642 and remained as such until this day. Thank god for arcanum.hu, which has a wealth of records on this.
https://i.imgur.com/j1WOkgI.png
https://i.imgur.com/XfSHN1A.png
My grandpa says his paternal great-grandfather probably came from Ardeal. I highly doubt it since our family name is technically non-existent in Transylvania, it only exists in Moldova mostly and sometimes Wallachia. I have also checked an old marriage registry used for looking up names and it does not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Of course, it's possible that he just took a family name when he settled in Vaslui.
This site is bullshit, use this one: https://www.hartanumeromanesti.eu/en/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
My surname.
https://pp.userapi.com/c850132/v8501...Rr07gWv9qQ.jpg
https://pp.userapi.com/c850132/v8501...9wvXckl20g.jpg
Nice source, which I wasn't aware of, but it doesn't change much for my surname. And I think that casata is almost identical too. Yours seems very popular in both countries. Regățean cu acte :hiding:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
https://i.imgur.com/UJvbDSP.png
https://i.imgur.com/d3BwF1x.png
My surname is very specific Moldavian, is mostly present in Moldova region, outside of this region, people with such surname have high probability to have ancestry from Moldova region.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
still regatean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
In your dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
:lovehearts:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
a Eurogenes K13 updated run on Vahaduo -http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm with nothing removed from source (what's below 1% removed from result):
less mixed Romanians, like FellowGF, show high affinity to Macedonia and northern Greece, I bet it's the Vlach connection, because of Vlach migration from the Balkans prior to 14th century.
sees a strong Ukrainian half for me, that's quite precise, I'm surprised.
Fellow himself is a mystery on every calc xD
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 0.2910% / 0.29098972
47.2 Ukrainian
14.8 Romanian_Muntenia
10.0 Greek_Northern-Thrace
5.0 French_Basque
4.6 Sardinian
4.4 Bulgarian_Ruse
4.2 Tabassaran
2.4 Georgian_imereti
2.0 Estonian
1.2 Balkar
1.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
Target: Fellow
Distance: 1.5090% / 1.50896660
27.0 Romanian_Muntenia
25.2 Pomak_Plovdiv
18.6 Swiss_Italian
16.2 Bulgarian_Southwest
8.6 Southwest_Finnish
3.2 Southeast_English
Target: FellowGF
Distance: 0.6469% / 0.64692354
33.0 Greek_Northern-Thrace
16.6 Romanian_Muntenia
12.4 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
10.6 Ukrainian
6.8 Macedonian_Greece
5.8 Estonian
3.4 Serb_North-Macedonia
2.6 Norwegian
2.6 Sardinian
2.0 Southwest_Finnish
1.8 Bulgarian_Burgas
1.0 French_Basque
Target: Zmey
Distance: 0.7285% / 0.72853913
28.6 Bulgarian_Northwest
21.6 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
19.0 Latvian
14.2 Polish
8.2 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
2.8 Pomak_Nevrokopi
1.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.6 Laz
Target: Neamt_county
Distance: 0.3526% / 0.35261280
19.0 Greek_Western-Macedonia
17.8 Bulgarian_Northwest
12.8 Cossacks_Kuban
10.8 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
7.8 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.8 Laz
5.4 Macedonian_Greece
4.6 Belorussian
4.4 Latvian
4.0 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
1.8 Turk_Xanthi
1.2 North_Ossetian
1.0 Norwegian
for the rest it's less relevant since they are part of the source
Our list is getting thick, after I've discovered the user lookup feature on GEDmatch.
Do you have any recommendations for a screen capture software that allows one to scroll?
Actually never mind, I figured it. If you can't capture scrollable screenshots in Google Sheets, then saving the sheet as HTML and opening it offline does the trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Previous version v3:
https://i.imgur.com/WwdHwDd.png
Here's v4:
https://i.imgur.com/mXHx36n.png
Cool. The full Roma one is particularly interesting, Roma aren't very numerous in the Rep of Moldova (less than 1 percent).
Yes, she is the wife of Ciobanu (1/2 Drochia, 1/2 Transnistria) and I have the results of their descendants too. I match the father and descendants on MyHeritage. They have a huge and well researched family tree, so maybe we will meet the father on genetic forums one day. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
North_Atlantic 20.17 Pct
Baltic 24.43 Pct
West_Med 11.45 Pct
West_Asian 10.75 Pct
East_Med 18.59 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 11.29 Pct
East_Asian 0.62 Pct
Siberian 0.87 Pct
Amerindian 0.45 Pct
Oceanian 0.57 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.81 Pct
North_Atlantic 16.79 Pct
Baltic 24.07 Pct
West_Med 13.79 Pct
West_Asian 11.03 Pct
East_Med 16.10 Pct
Red_Sea 1.41 Pct
South_Asian 12.87 Pct
East_Asian 0.39 Pct
Siberian 2.21 Pct
Amerindian 0.23 Pct
Oceanian 0.54 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.58 Pct
In Călărași live a visible Gypsy comunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I'd even say more. The name of her village is the same as the name for one Roma type. You should find it quickly if interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
What is the name of the village?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Numarul 42 din lista localitatilor din Calarasi pe casata. Nu vreau sa-l citez aici direct ca sa pastrez confidentialitatea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Se prea poate, da poate să fie şi din Drochia, pe la nord tot īs mulţişori. Pe la centru știu că-s mulți īn Călărași și Hīncești, și prin īmprejurimile Chișinăului (Băcioi, Durlești).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Acel Ariciuc din Botoșani are familie ucrainizată, la noi tot sīnt multe familii de așa gen.
Persoana asta-i de acolo. E indicat in arborele genealogic de pe MyHeritage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Da, dar daca persoana e din Romania, atunci probabil ca e amestecata. La noi familiile ucrainizate nu indica neaparat geneflow recent. Pe timpul Imperiului Rus si a Uniunii Sovietice, in unele locuri familiile autohtone erau sistematic slavicizate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
So she seems to have assimilated into the white population (by white I obviously mean the majority pop). Those kids are basically 1/8 South Asian. How much do they get on HarappaWorld?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
Add me to the listQuote:
Originally Posted by Ion Basescul
You are in the list. Did you delete your Gedmatch? The other day I tried running your number but it was fucking gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
You are in the list, look again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daos777
Oh lol I’m dumb. My 23 and me is v5 btwQuote:
Originally Posted by Aspirin
Yeah I made a different oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Leto