^^^^Actually it's Croats who are intermediate. Hungarians are fully central European, Croats around half.
Agree for the overlap, it's massive, I didn't know it was that big until recently.
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^^^^Actually it's Croats who are intermediate. Hungarians are fully central European, Croats around half.
Agree for the overlap, it's massive, I didn't know it was that big until recently.
It depends, for example this Szekler - H41**** (I'm not allowed to publish full kit #, but you know which one it is) - has a lot of Balkan admixture.
Another Szekler - H40**** - is more northern-shifted, but close to Carpathian Rusyns and Slovaks, who as you know have some Balkan genes too.
You don't count Szeklers as Hungarians?
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Also some Northern Moldovans can be close to Hungarians due to being a similar mix (only less Germanic).
But Southern Moldovans are much more Balkan and much less Slavic, so not close to any Hungarians at all.
What I meant is that Transylvania was considered central European historically. Or east-central, if you prefer.
Logically central region includes admixture from south, otherwise it isn't central.
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Presumably a Croatian woman (Benedejcic)
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 32.54
2 North_Atlantic 30.59
3 East_Med 15
4 West_Med 10.55
5 West_Asian 7.5
6 East_Asian 1.98
7 Amerindian 0.89
8 South_Asian 0.56
9 Oceanian 0.39
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.39
2 Croatian 7.71
3 Serbian 8.09
4 Moldavian 8.44
5 Austrian 9.6
6 East_German 10.42
7 South_Polish 11.5
8 Romanian 11.84
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.42
10 Ukrainian 13.09
11 Bulgarian 14.11
12 Polish 15.25
13 West_German 15.78
14 Southwest_Russian 15.94
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.25
16 South_Dutch 17.43
17 Russian_Smolensk 17.51
18 North_German 17.83
19 Estonian_Polish 17.94
20 Belorussian 17.94
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.3% Serbian + 22.7% La_Brana-1 @ 4.4
2 94.3% Hungarian + 5.7% Lebanese_Druze @ 4.54
3 67.9% Romanian + 32.1% La_Brana-1 @ 4.65
4 95% Hungarian + 5% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.72
5 95.7% Hungarian + 4.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 4.74
6 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Iranian_Jewish @ 4.75
7 95.3% Hungarian + 4.7% Kurdish_Jewish @ 4.79
8 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Palestinian @ 4.79
9 95.2% Hungarian + 4.8% Samaritan @ 4.8
10 92.6% Hungarian + 7.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.81
11 95.2% Hungarian + 4.8% Assyrian @ 4.81
12 95.2% Hungarian + 4.8% Jordanian @ 4.84
13 95% Hungarian + 5% Lebanese_Muslim @ 4.86
14 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Cyprian @ 4.86
15 85.3% Hungarian + 14.7% Bulgarian @ 4.88
16 78.2% South_Polish + 21.8% Italian_Jewish @ 4.89
17 95.5% Hungarian + 4.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.89
18 95.4% Hungarian + 4.6% Syrian @ 4.93
19 57.3% Bulgarian + 42.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.95
20 95.1% Hungarian + 4.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.96
# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 28.84
2 Baltic 18.52
3 Eastern_Euro 12.92
4 Atlantic 11.8
5 East_Med 11.62
6 West_Med 7.29
7 West_Asian 6.57
8 Southeast_Asian 1.51
9 Amerindian 0.49
10 South_Asian 0.22
11 Oceanian 0.22
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 7.96
2 Moldavian 10.91
3 Serbian 11.42
4 East_German 11.98
5 Croatian 12.31
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.77
7 Austrian 12.81
8 Ukrainian 13.44
9 South_Polish 13.86
10 Romanian 14.02
11 West_German 14.04
12 Finnish 14.87
13 Southwest_Finnish 15.21
14 North_Swedish 15.39
15 Polish 16.22
16 Swedish 16.46
17 North_German 16.83
18 South_Dutch 16.87
19 Bulgarian 16.91
20 Norwegian 17.56
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.4% Finnish + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 7.33
2 93.8% Hungarian + 6.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 7.38
3 59.4% North_Swedish + 40.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 7.41
4 94.4% Hungarian + 5.6% Kurdish_Jewish @ 7.47
5 94.3% Hungarian + 5.7% Assyrian @ 7.51
6 94.6% Hungarian + 5.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 7.53
7 94.7% Hungarian + 5.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 7.54
8 94.6% Hungarian + 5.4% Armenian @ 7.56
9 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Georgian_Jewish @ 7.59
10 95.8% Hungarian + 4.2% Yemenite_Jewish @ 7.59
11 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Palestinian @ 7.61
12 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Jordanian @ 7.61
13 95.2% Hungarian + 4.8% Samaritan @ 7.63
14 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Iranian @ 7.63
15 94.9% Hungarian + 5.1% Kurdish @ 7.63
16 94.3% Hungarian + 5.7% Libyan_Jewish @ 7.64
17 94.8% Hungarian + 5.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 7.65
18 94.4% Hungarian + 5.6% Tabassaran @ 7.65
19 94.7% Hungarian + 5.3% Azeri @ 7.66
20 95% Hungarian + 5% Syrian @ 7.67
Population
Gedrosia 7.01 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.71 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.38 Pct
North_European 45.02 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.85 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 16.02 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
^^^^More likely a Slovenian judging by the surname, but we can't be sure.
This is a response to Dushan. Feiichy's parents' results from Dodecad K12b Vahaduo (values taken from the thread about her parents' results)
# Population Percent
1 North_European 44.64
2 Atlantic_Med 26.29
3 Caucasus 17.87
4 Gedrosia 5.04
5 Southwest_Asian 4.18
6 Siberian 1.24
7 East_Asian 0.44
8 Southeast_Asian 0.23
9 Northwest_African 0.06
Distance to: Feiichy_Dad
2.18009174 Croat
3.06153556 Bosnian
4.32912231 R.Moldova_Centre+North
4.49046768 Hungarians
6.87530363 Serb
10.73525966 Montenegrin
11.65625583 German
12.95347058 Macedonian
13.79532167 Pomak
14.09667691 Romanians
Target: Feiichy_Dad
Distance: 1.7714% / 1.77136755 | ADC: 1x
89.2 Croat
10.8 Hungarians
Target: Feiichy_Dad
Distance: 1.0246% / 1.02459386 | ADC: 0.5x
83.2 Croat
13.6 Hungarians
3.2 Komi
Target: Feiichy_Dad
Distance: 0.7157% / 0.71568894 | ADC: 0.25x
77.4 Croat
18.2 Hungarians
2.2 Komi
1.8 Udmurt
0.2 Saudis
0.2 Tatar_Kazan
* * *
# Population Percent
1 North_European 42.51
2 Atlantic_Med 28.16
3 Caucasus 17.84
4 Gedrosia 5.17
5 Southwest_Asian 5.02
6 South_Asian 0.69
7 Siberian 0.29
8 Northwest_African 0.28
Distance to: Feiichy_Mom
2.28225765 Croat
3.13239525 Bosnian
4.51718939 R.Moldova_Centre+North
5.20710092 Serb
6.66642333 Hungarians
8.82232962 Montenegrin
11.10673219 Macedonian
11.68936269 German
12.40892421 Pomak
13.14820140 Romanians
Target: Feiichy_Mom
Distance: 1.5391% / 1.53907375 | ADC: 0.5x
93.0 Croat
5.4 French
1.6 Bosnian
Target: Feiichy_Mom
Distance: 0.7252% / 0.72524408 | ADC: 0.25x
85.8 Croat
5.8 French
4.2 Bosnian
3.0 Mixed_Germanic
1.2 Saudis
Looks pretty damn solid to me.
It's excellent average. My father is extremelly typical everywhere. And Croatian average isn''t 45% North European on that like Dušan claims, I am 44% and more northern shifted than average. My mother, who is more southern than dad and me is big part German by the way.
Dodecad really differs from Eurogenes. My Greatuncle isnt really Northshifted on K13 but his Dodecad results are like this:
Population
Gedrosia 4.49 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African 0.77 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 26.99 Pct
North_European 43.08 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.35 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 18.26 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
1.82833257 Croat
2.34810562 Bosnian
3.70873294 R.Moldova_Centre+North
5.24539798 Serb
6.25217562 Hungarians
9.00778552 Montenegrin
11.29787591 Macedonian
12.23667030 Pomak
12.51949280 German
12.83034294 Romanians
13.97468068 R.Moldova_South
14.93565198 Bulgarian
15.34658594 Bulgarians
15.85094004 R.Moldova_Gagauz
16.06157527 Gagauz
16.39190886 Italy_FriuliVG
16.66054321 Rus_Smolensk
16.76292934 Turk_Romania
17.61517528 Rus_Kostroma
17.84971708 Italy_Trentino
18.12814387 Turk_Bulgaria
18.38190959 Albanian_North
18.38395224 Mixed_Germanic
19.08264878 Italy_Aosta_Valley
19.26086966 Rus_Tver
My result:
North_Atlantic 33.10
Baltic 34.98
West_Med 12.26
West_Asian 7.75
East_Med 6.51
Red_Sea 2.23
South_Asian 1.09
East_Asian 0.00
Siberian 0.36
Amerindian 1.33
Oceanian 0.38
Northeast_African 0.00
Sub-Saharan 0.00
My wife (completely unrelated to me):
North_Atlantic 32.29
Baltic 33.74
West_Med 12.26
West_Asian 9.91
East_Med 7.07
Red_Sea 0.46
South_Asian 1.82
East_Asian 1.10
Siberian 0.00
Amerindian 1.16
Oceanian 0.00
Northeast_African 0.00
Sub-Saharan 0.19
But, I don't know many such north-shifted results, so maybe I am not so typical.
Population
Gedrosia 4.01 Pct
Siberian 0.69 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 27.97 Pct
North_European 49.51 Pct
South_Asian 0.52 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.82 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 14.47 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
# Population Percent
1 North_European 49.51
2 Atlantic_Med 27.97
3 Caucasus 14.47
4 Gedrosia 4.01
5 Southwest_Asian 2.82
6 Siberian 0.69
7 South_Asian 0.52
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.1
2 German (Dodecad) 7.18
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 14.65
4 Polish (Dodecad) 14.75
5 Swedish (Dodecad) 14.8
6 Dutch (Dodecad) 15.11
7 Norwegian (Dodecad) 16.21
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 16.32
9 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 17.55
10 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 17.85
11 Romanians (Behar) 18.06
12 English (Dodecad) 18.08
13 Kent (1000Genomes) 18.15
14 British_Isles (Dodecad) 18.63
15 Orkney (1000Genomes) 19.94
16 Argyll (1000Genomes) 19.95
17 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 20.05
18 French (Dodecad) 20.07
19 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 20.17
20 Orcadian (HGDP) 20.49
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.8% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 0.66
2 89.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 10.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 0.74
3 81.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 18.3% German (Dodecad) @ 1.38
4 92.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.44
5 92.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.4% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.48
6 93.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.7% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 1.49
7 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Irish (Dodecad) @ 1.51
8 93.4% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 1.54
9 91.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 8.5% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 1.55
10 92.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.58
11 92.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.1% English (Dodecad) @ 1.58
12 93.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.2% British (Dodecad) @ 1.6
13 66.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 33.5% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 1.62
14 93.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.8% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.63
15 94.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 5.8% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.66
16 92.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 1.71
17 51.4% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 48.6% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 1.78
18 96.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.7% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.78
19 96.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.4% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.79
20 69.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 30.9% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 1.86
This is gedmatch
Target: ph2ter
Distance: 0.7293% / 0.72929215 | ADC: 0.25x
89.2 Hungarians
10.8 Swedish
Distance to: ph2ter
2.31190398 Hungarians
7.76812719 Croat
7.85180871 German
9.13309367 Bosnian
10.47216787 Rus_Smolensk
10.47908870 R.Moldova_Centre+North
11.50890090 Rus_Kostroma
12.88001553 Serb
13.08239657 Southwest_Rus
13.12166529 Rus_Tver
15.99021263 Mixed_Germanic
16.04769142 Polish
16.47776987 Swedish
16.52394929 Dutch
16.68707284 Montenegrin
17.67526237 Ukranians
17.99413516 Norwegian
19.00402063 Macedonian
19.02546714 Mixed_Slav
19.50376630 CEU30
19.75664698 English
19.81445937 Kent
19.99077037 Romanians
20.05862657 Pomak
20.36995091 British_Isles
49.5% North_European... Looks like Dushan just got BTFO'd, lol :lol:
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You're north shifted, i guess normal for a north croatian, here are my k15 results, i get the most snp on this calculator
North_Sea 11.95 Pct
Atlantic 15.65 Pct
Baltic 25.25 Pct
Eastern_Euro 11.63 Pct
West_Med 13.47 Pct
West_Asian 9.48 Pct
East_Med 8.84 Pct
Red_Sea 2.95 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.58 Pct
Oceanian 0.20 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
OK, your father is extremelly typical and very close to average.
https://i.imgur.com/Y73CRvA.jpg
But still, NW Croats are underrepresented.
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I dont know what is source for old Croatian average, but it is way too southern.
I got Serbian average before Ljubićs greatuncle (Bosnian Croat), Feiichys dad (southern Croat) and ph2ter (northwest Croat)m what is logical, but for some reason that old average is closer.
https://i.imgur.com/iGx0BLZ.jpg
This is average based on these there samples (ljubić, feiichy, ph2ter):
4,51
0,98
0,28
0,08
27,08
45,74
0,17
0,00
4,12
0,15
16,87
0,00
I am completly sure that it is closer to reality.
I am aware that some Croatian members are working at the moment on making more comprehensive and representative Croatian regional averages, but based on what I saw in the OP, the academic results, what I conclude is that there is a surprising overlap with many Hungarian results I have seen, only generally Croatians are less German but little bit more Slavic and Balkan than Hungarians. Also I do believe Croatians of Bosnia are the same population as those in Southern Croatia, so in someway they should be connected with mainland Croatian regional averages. But I don't have enough historical insight to say if they should also be part of the entire Croatian average, since Croatians in the North seem to be somewhat different than those in the South (who are similar to Croatians of Bosnia), but technically thy share the same country, so it would seem normal all regions of modern Croatia to be included in the new Croatian average. Another thing that keeps surprising me (but not really) every time I see it, is how different Croatian national averages are from Serbian national averages, which seems to disprove the common generalization of foreigners that they basically are the same people. I believe this generalization often comes from most people not really knowing the history of South-East Europe.
Croat from Dalmatian hinterland (Sinjska krajina) and Lika.
Spoiler!
North_Atlantic 24.56 Pct
Baltic 34.42 Pct
West_Med 15.70 Pct
West_Asian 7.23 Pct
East_Med 13.03 Pct
Red_Sea 2.15 Pct
South_Asian 0.45 Pct
East_Asian 0.71 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.73 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia_&_Lika
3.08920702 Croat_Istria
3.27992378 Croat_Lika-Senj
3.34913422 Croat_Herzegovina
3.58371316 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
3.60925200 Moldova_North
3.87061012 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.90165350 Croat_Bosnia
4.11161769 Croat
4.14476779 Serb_B&H_Northeast&Central
4.25464452 Croat_Dalmatia
4.36513459 Bosniak
4.40099989 Croat_Tropolje
4.83776808 Serb_B&H
4.92856977 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
5.11348218 Croat_Zagreb
5.73491935 Serb_Croatia
5.89429850 Hungarian_Alfold
5.90279595 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.90704664 Serb_Serbia_West&Central
6.18930529 Serb_Croatia_Lika&Dalmatia
6.32004994 Hungarian_Csango
6.39016432 Croat_Slavonia
6.40917311 Serb_B&H_Krajina
6.44545790 Slovenian
6.45012403 Serb
Target: Croat_Dalmatia_&_Lika
Distance: 1.3648% / 1.36476169 | ADC: 0.25x
85.0 Croat_Istria
7.0 Latvian
3.6 Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central
3.4 Bulgarian_Northwest
0.6 Papuan
0.4 NAN_Melanesian
Dragičević, Stari Mikanovci (east Slavonia):
Spoiler!
I had some people from this family on gedmatch when I first signed up, but back then I had no details about their ancestry. Only after I uploaded my mom's data to FTDNA I got the man above as a match, and saw his family tree, but by then the kits were removed. Now they are back up.
As for the others from that family, I don't match them on FTDNA, so you'll have to send an email to find out if they are all also from the same place or at least the same region.
Dodecad
Population
Gedrosia 3.46 Pct
Siberian 0.91 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.51 Pct
Atlantic_Med 26.88 Pct
North_European 41.95 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.76 Pct
East_Asian 0.14 Pct
Caucasus 21.38 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: East_Slavonia
2.57114760 Bosnian
3.05632132 R.Moldova_Centre+North
3.16929014 Croat
3.27499618 Serb
5.34580209 HUN_Szekely
6.78759162 Montenegrin
8.50742617 Hungarians
9.00444335 Macedonian
9.71083416 Romanians
9.88968655 Pomak
Target: East_Slavonia
Distance: 1.9793% / 1.97931283 | ADC: 1x
71.2 Bosnian
28.8 Serb
Target: East_Slavonia
Distance: 1.5747% / 1.57468463 | ADC: 0.5x
41.0 Bosnian
27.8 Croat
25.6 Serb
5.6 Bulgarians
Target: East_Slavonia
Distance: 1.0214% / 1.02139947 | ADC: 0.25x
76.0 Croat
17.2 Bulgarians
5.2 Serb
1.6 Bosnian