Dodecad k12b West & Central Asian results Vol 4.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

What is interesting about Astara is that the Iranian part is mainly Turkish-speaking, while the Republic part is Talysh speaking.

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For some reason, I thought Iranian Astara was mostly Talysh )) Did Azerbaijanis historically dominate there or was there a recent migration to Astara, Iran?
Nevertheless, Gilan province overall seems to be predominantly Gilak and Talysh, so I assume the republic's Talysh population is related to them.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

For some reason, I thought Iranian Astara was mostly Talysh )) Did Azerbaijanis historically dominate there or was there a recent migration to Astara, Iran?
Nevertheless, Gilan province overall seems to be predominantly Gilak and Talysh, so I assume the republic's Talysh population is related to them.

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I don't know why tbh. I think they are newcomers from Moghan and Ardabil mostly who settled down. At least this is what Iranian wiki claims. Also some turkish speaking Gypsies apparently.

Yes Gilan is almost completely Gilaki and Talysh (expept Astara)

This is not related to the topic, but I wanted to ask.
What is the difference between the calculators?

For example, dodecad k12 that we are sharing, and say PuntDNAL 13? Is one of them inherently more precise than the other? If so, then why?

I was running some results in PuntDNAL 13 for Azerbaijanis (Iranian, republic + Dagestan), and results while different than k12, still accentuates caucasian + turkic + iranic mix in Azerbaijanis. So rather logical.
Though for some reason, Caucasian element is linked with Ossetians + Abkhaz rather than Dagestani that Azerbaijanis get in dodecad k12.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

This is not related to the topic, but I wanted to ask.
What is the difference between the calculators?

For example, dodecad k12 that we are sharing, and say PuntDNAL 13? Is one of them inherently more precise than the other? If so, then why?

I was running some results in PuntDNAL 13 for Azerbaijanis (Iranian, republic + Dagestan), and results while different than k12, still accentuates caucasian + turkic + iranic mix in Azerbaijanis. So rather logical.
Though for some reason, Caucasian element is linked with Ossetians + Abkhaz rather than Dagestani that Azerbaijanis get in dodecad k12.

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There is no genuinely universal calculator for everyone. Some people get more accurate results from one calculator, others from another. The original Dodecad spreadsheet is horrible and shouldn't be used at all. I can't say much about punt, I think it's generally not bad, however no one has tried to revise or update it.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Is one of them inherently more precise than the other? If so, then why?

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Most likely a combination of references and components. Dodecad components make much more sense in West Asia having both Gedrosia and Caucasus, compared to just "west asian" in K13. As well as Atlantic_Med and N Euro compared to "SW_Euro" (idk what this even is to be honest). K13 also gives me over 4% Mongoloid with oracles such as 95% Iranian + 5% Yakut which is definitely not accurate considering I barely score any in most calculators. (just a personal observation). As I said for references, K12b updated on Vahaduo has multiple regional Iranian averages with Arabs and Turkmens included, compare to just 'Iranians' on K13. These are just why its more useful for this region, for other areas it might be more or less accurate

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Most likely a combination of references and components. Dodecad components make much more sense in West Asia having both Gedrosia and Caucasus, compared to just "west asian" in K13. As well as Atlantic_Med and N Euro compared to "SW_Euro" (idk what this even is to be honest). K13 also gives me over 4% Mongoloid with oracles such as 95% Iranian + 5% Yakut which is definitely not accurate considering I barely score any in most calculators. (just a personal observation). As I said for references, K12b updated on Vahaduo has multiple regional Iranian averages with Arabs and Turkmens included, compare to just 'Iranians' on K13. These are just why its more useful for this region, for other areas it might be more or less accurate

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I see, makes sense. Although I think too much detalization might hurt the model, even though it might match someones expectations. Cue Gedrosia and Caucasus that seems to go hand in hand in Caucasus, and maybe don't need to be separated in some cases.
In essence, one might run into an issue of overfitting. Although, I don't no anything about the algorithms underlying the calculators, so maybe it is not an issue.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

I see, makes sense. Although I think too much detalization might hurt the model, even though it might match someones expectations. Cue Gedrosia and Caucasus that seems to go hand in hand in Caucasus, and maybe don't need to be separated in some cases.
In essence, one might run into an issue of overfitting. Although, I don't no anything about the algorithms underlying the calculators, so maybe it is not an issue.

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I think that component is actually why K12b is more accurate, because people have varying amounts. For example compare Abkhazians to Azeris in this example
Abkhazian has 19.42% Gedrosia, while Azeri has 20.81%. So, basically the same. But then where Abkhazian has nearly 56% Caucasus, Azeri has 38.42%. So if they were combined into West Asian, it would be kind of confusing or innacurate. Now for another, Turkmen_Uzbekistan has roughly the same 20% Gedrosia as the other 2. However it only has 19.93% Caucasus, compared to Azeri 38 and Abkhazian 55. So you can see why it can be useful for it to be split, compared to just "west asian".

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Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

I think that component is actually why K12b is more accurate, because people have varying amounts. For example compare Abkhazians to Azeris in this example
Abkhazian has 19.42% Gedrosia, while Azeri has 20.81%. So, basically the same. But then where Abkhazian has nearly 56% Caucasus, Azeri has 38.42%. So if they were combined into West Asian, it would be kind of confusing or innacurate. Now for another, Turkmen_Uzbekistan has roughly the same 20% Gedrosia as the other 2. However it only has 19.93% Caucasus, compared to Azeri 38 and Abkhazian 55. So you can see why it can be useful for it to be split, compared to just "west asian".

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I agree with your point in the case of Caucasus.(Or we might add them together and call it CauCasia:))
Merging NE and Atlantic_med though seems to be appropriate in the case of Abkhaz and Azeris for example (although Azeris seem to have much higher Atlantic_Med while NE is slightly less than Abkhazs), which leads me to my next point.

Which components and to what extent do we separate, while lumping together other ones? It seems inevitable to me that in the process some components, that should not be merged, will have to be arbitrarily grouped together with the assumption being that they are not that important for the region.
Depending how the equations work this might substantially affect the numerical results. Is there a scientific work regarding this topic?

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

I agree with your point in the case of Caucasus.(Or we might add them together and call it CauCasia:))
Merging NE and Atlantic_med though seems to be appropriate in the case of Abkhaz and Azeris for example (although Azeris seem to have much higher Atlantic_Med while NE is slightly less than Abkhazs), which leads me to my next point.

Which components and to what extent do we separate, while lumping together other ones? It seems inevitable to me that in the process some components, that should not be merged, will have to be arbitrarily grouped together with the assumption being that they are not that important for the region.
Depending how the equations work this might substantially affect the numerical results. Is there a scientific work regarding this topic?

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With any admixture calculator based on modern human references the results don't literally mean you have ancestry from those references.

For example if you get 25% Gedrosian it doesn't mean you have 25% Baloch ancestry
If a Turk or an Arab has 12% Gedrosian it doesn't mean they have 12% Baloch ancestry
If a Bulgarian has 7% Gedrosian it doesn't mean Bulgarians have 7% Baloch ancestry

It does mean that you share 25% something (recent SNPs etc ) with Baloch and Bulgarians share 7% something with Baloch but it's up to you to figure out how come you share 25% something with Baloch. In other words it's up to you to figure out which ancestors, Iran-Chl or BMAC or whatever contributed this shared DNA between you and Baloch.

The concept of one calculator fits all is flawed from the outset. There should be regional calculators based on ancestors relevant to that particular population since the Bronze Age or Chalcolithic.

The only scenario one calculator could be used by both Asians and Europeans is if it only has say 3 or 4 general components such as W Eurasian E Eurasian S Eurasian SSA that are relevant components for Asians and Europeans OR

if the calculator is based on really ancient populations such as WHG, ENF, ANE, AEE etc because both Asians and Europeans are descended from these few ancients.

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Originally Posted by Zoro

With any admixture calculator based on modern human references the results don't literally mean you have ancestry from those references.

For example if you get 25% Gedrosian it doesn't mean you have 25% Baloch ancestry
If a Turk or an Arab has 12% Gedrosian it doesn't mean they have 12% Baloch ancestry
If a Bulgarian has 7% Gedrosian it doesn't mean Bulgarians have 7% Baloch ancestry

It does mean that you share 25% something (recent SNPs etc ) with Baloch and Bulgarians share 7% something with Baloch but it's up to you to figure out how come you share 25% something with Baloch. In other words it's up to you to figure out which ancestors, Iran-Chl or BMAC or whatever contributed this shared DNA between you and Baloch.

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The Gedrosian in Europeans stands for extra Steppe which can't be described by the "North European" component. A similar thing happens with "South Asian" in Eurogenes calcs.

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Originally Posted by Sterling Archer

Which components and to what extent do we separate, while lumping together other ones? It seems inevitable to me that in the process some components, that should not be merged, will have to be arbitrarily grouped together with the assumption being that they are not that important for the region.?

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Yes, this is the main factor. Which is why we only have one 'sub-saharan' component for a calculator which is designed for Eurasians, whereas one for Africans would obviously have much more references. Same thing can be said for Europeans, which on Eurogenes have "east euro" "north sea" "baltic" etc, but here we only have 2.

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T191893
Name: TS_H183

Gedrosia 22.53 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.11 Pct
North_European 15.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.62 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T755309
Name: TS_H184

Gedrosia 23.85 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.67 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.13 Pct
North_European 11.19 Pct
South_Asian 0.43 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 7.17 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 50.43 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.14 Pct

Kit Number: T250616
Name: TS_H189

Gedrosia 22.93 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Northwest_African 0.06 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.5 Pct
North_European 19.02 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Kit Number: T710401
Name: TS_H191

Gedrosia 21.26 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.93 Pct
North_European 17.32 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.34 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

I wonder what TS is supposed to stand for. Tbilisi? They are all distant relatives.

Georgian (not from those two accounts)

Gedrosia 22.13 Pct
Siberian 0.53 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 3.27 Pct
North_European 12.34 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.61 Pct
East_Asian 0.91 Pct
Caucasus 56.22 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Reno
3.13804079 Abkhazian
3.52671235 Georgian_Svan
5.13848227 Georgian_Gurian
5.65969080 Georgian
6.64983458 Georgian_Mingrelian
6.94115985 Ossetian_South
6.98273585 Georgian_Imereti
8.89402608 Turk_Ahiska
9.38474827 Georgian_Turkey
10.78734444 Georgian_Adjara

Target: Reno
Distance: 1.2612% / 1.26117732 | ADC: 0.5x RC
85.3 Georgian_Svan
8.0 Kubachi_Dagestan
6.7 Iran_Mazandaran

Target: Reno
Distance: 1.8484% / 1.84841556 | R2P
88.4 Georgian_Svan
11.6 Kubachi_Dagestan

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Originally Posted by Leto

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these


Kit Number: T250616
Name: TS_H189

Gedrosia 22.93 Pct
Siberian 1.06 Pct
Northwest_African 0.06 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.58 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.5 Pct
North_European 19.02 Pct
South_Asian 0.86 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.43 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 45.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -


I wonder what TS is supposed to stand for. Tbilisi? They are all distant relatives.

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I'm certain that some of these are not Georgians. Looks to be Chechen-Ingush. NE is way to high.
For exa
Distance to: T250616
3.26272892 Ingush
4.11210408 Chechen
4.52825573 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
5.43748103 Adyghe
6.18021035 Kumyks
6.50511337 Ossetian
6.89282961 Karachay
6.89920285 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
7.22761371 Balkar
7.55453506 Circassian
8.09680801 Abazin
8.15700926 Ossetian_South
8.58245303 Kabardin
9.90505931 Lezgin

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Originally Posted by Leto

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T710401
Name: TS_H191

Gedrosia 21.26 Pct
Siberian 1.01 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 7.93 Pct
North_European 17.32 Pct
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 5.05 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.34 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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Again, not a Georgian.

Distance to: TS_H191
4.14459889 Adyghe
5.10404741 Ingush
5.44784361 Ossetian
6.91722488 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
6.96571604 Karachay
6.99680641 Circassian
7.02958747 Ossetian_South
7.18920719 Chechen
7.32430884 Kumyks
7.71178968 Balkar
7.86868477 Abazin
8.70112636 Kabardin
8.73508443 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.49078167 Abkhazian
11.46897118 Georgian
11.47881091 Udi_Azerbaijan
11.88833462 Turk_Ahiska
12.58268254 Qumuq
13.05298050 Lezgin
13.06489954 Turk_East
13.68647873 Lak
13.82205122 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.97865873 Georgian_Svan
14.06622906 Georgian_Gurian
14.32259753 Kubachi_Dagestan

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Originally Posted by Leto

As expected, the Georgian accounts I posted have been largely overlooked but there is a few unusual samples there, namely these

Kit Number: T191893
Name: TS_H183

Gedrosia 22.53 Pct
Siberian 0.8 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.11 Pct
North_European 15.82 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.62 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 47.13 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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This one is also not ethnic Georgian:
Distance to: TS_H183
5.79360855 Adyghe
5.99844146 Ingush
6.90719914 Ossetian
7.62646707 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
8.00811463 Ossetian_South
8.36222458 Karachay
8.39375363 Circassian
8.39774374 Chechen
8.77038768 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.80583329 Kumyks
9.12903062 Abazin
9.25739164 Balkar
9.84557769 Kabardin
10.60908573 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.91513170 Abkhazian
11.33970458 Georgian
11.44536151 Turk_Ahiska
12.43006838 Turk_East
13.14888969 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.26015460 Qumuq
13.26599789 Lezgin
13.69112486 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.84451516 Zaza
14.23788959 Georgian_Svan
14.27002453 Georgian_Gurian

Thank you, Sherlock, I know how to use that tool :wink

They may as well be some Eastern Georgian highlanders or something.

I know you do, it was for the general audience :)
As for eastern Georgia, dunno. Georgian with Caucasus of 45?.

Maybe TS stands for Tusheti? This is where the Chechens live in Georgia.

I think the guy below is distantly related to T191893:

SomeGuy,20.52,0.3,0,0,6.62,14.59,1.64,0,6.47,0,49. 86,0

Distance to: SomeGuy
5.83720824 Adyghe
5.95486356 Ossetian_South
6.55807136 Ossetian
7.03221160 Abkhazian
7.44004032 Georgian
8.08624758 Turk_Ahiska
8.28525196 Ingush
8.99597132 Karachay
9.03022702 Kumyks
9.11938594 Circassian
9.54124730 Udi_Azerbaijan
9.90194425 Tsakhur_Azerbaijan
10.07630389 Abazin
10.20620400 Balkar
10.36417387 Georgian_Gurian
10.67760273 Georgian_Svan
10.70619447 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.75921930 Chechen
11.23400641 Turk_East
11.54107881 Kabardin
12.00408680 Georgian_Imereti
12.30845644 Armenian_East
12.81588858 Georgian_Mingrelian
13.16473319 Georgian_Turkey
13.39542459 Azerbaijani_Turkey

Iraqi Turkmen of the Bayat tribe from Kerkuk

Gedrosia 21.54 Pct
Siberian 2.23 Pct
Northwest_African 1.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.53 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.99 Pct
North_European 6.39 Pct
South_Asian 1.64 Pct
East_African 1.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.4 Pct
East_Asian 0.54 Pct
Caucasus 42.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: bayat
Distance: 2.6298% / 2.62983743 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.9 Iraq_Turkmen
23.3 Turk_East
20.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.0 Udi_Azerbaijan

Turk 50%Kars, 50% Erzurum:

Gedrosian: 19.59
Siberian: 1.16
Northwest_African: 0.56
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 11.11
North_European: 6.07
South_Asian: 3.46
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 9.25
East_Asian: 1.17
Caucasian: 47.64
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: KarsErzurum
4.77476701 Turk_East
5.42791857 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.58395018 Armenian_East
7.56545438 Turk_Ahiska
8.72753115 Armenian_West
8.85324234 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.90708707 Zaza
8.95117311 Turk_East_Black_Sea
9.99971500 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.30517346 Greek_Pontus
10.37258406 Turk_Central_East
10.40846290 Georgian
10.42914666 Hemshin
10.45160275 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.65171348 Kurd_Kurmanji
10.85522455 Azerbaijani
10.89105137 Azeri_Jew
11.00586207 Laz
11.03733664 Assyrian_North
11.15424583 Kurd_Adygea
11.32401872 Assyrian_West
11.39291008 Turk_Southeast
11.44091343 Assyrian_South
12.04826959 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.08019040 Georgian_Adjara

Target: KarsErzurum
Distance: 2.3856% / 2.38562146 | ADC: 0.5x RC
62.5 Turk_East
30.2 Georgian_Adjara
7.3 Bnei_Menashe_Jews


Turk 50% Kirikkale, 50% Hatay (The Hatay part is partly arab partly turk)

Gedrosian: 19.60
Siberian: 2.43
Northwest_African: 1.94
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 13.24
North_European: 9.02
South_Asian: 1.85
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.94
East_Asian: 7.33
Caucasian: 30.64
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Hatay_Kirikkale
9.06689583 Turk_Southeast
9.56627409 Turk_South
9.75424523 Turk_Southwest
9.86059836 Turk_Central_West
9.98268000 Azerbaijani
11.04144465 Turk_Northwest
11.17869849 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.27313621 Azerbaijani_Iran
11.30764785 Turk_Central_East
11.62693855 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.84099658 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
12.80276923 Iraq_Turkmen
13.32029279 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.63158098 Yazidi
13.73947233 Kurd_Sorani
13.80491217 Iraqi_Baghdad
13.86655328 Iran_Khorasan
14.32331316 Iranian_Fars
14.73924014 Turkmen_TM
14.85967698 Zaza
14.92516667 Turkmen_Iran
14.92900533 Kurd_Adygea
15.81595713 Iran_Arab
16.12642862 Talysh_Azerbaijan
16.25556520 Lebanese_Muslim

Target: Hatay_Kirikkale
Distance: 2.2886% / 2.28861461 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.7 Yazidi
19.3 Turk_Southeast
15.0 Iraqi_Arab
12.4 Spanish_Asturias
5.0 Hazara
5.0 Japanese
1.6 Tajik_Mountain

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Turk 50% Kirikkale, 50% Hatay (The Hatay part is partly arab partly turk)

Gedrosian: 19.60
Siberian: 2.43
Northwest_African: 1.94
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 13.24
North_European: 9.02
South_Asian: 1.85
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 13.94
East_Asian: 7.33
Caucasian: 30.64
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Target: Hatay_Kirikkale
Distance: 2.2886% / 2.28861461 | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.7 Yazidi
19.3 Turk_Southeast
15.0 Iraqi_Arab
12.4 Spanish_Asturias
5.0 Hazara
5.0 Japanese
1.6 Tajik_Mountain

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I would like to see the Kirikkale side, if the Hatay side was 3-6% east eurasian the other side must be enormously Turkic influenced. As far i know there is not an average for this province and also never saw a sample from there.

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Originally Posted by Saba

Iraqi Turkmen of the Bayat tribe from Kerkuk

Gedrosia 21.54 Pct
Siberian 2.23 Pct
Northwest_African 1.05 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.53 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.99 Pct
North_European 6.39 Pct
South_Asian 1.64 Pct
East_African 1.65 Pct
Southwest_Asian 14.4 Pct
East_Asian 0.54 Pct
Caucasus 42.04 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: bayat
Distance: 2.6298% / 2.62983743 | ADC: 0.5x RC
44.9 Iraq_Turkmen
23.3 Turk_East
20.8 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.0 Udi_Azerbaijan

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This sample looks almost pure West Asian. Aren't Turkic people supposed to have very high Mongoloid component?

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Originally Posted by Kaazi

This sample looks almost pure West Asian. Aren't Turkic people supposed to have very high Mongoloid component?

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He is Iraqi Turkmen not Turkmenistani or Afghanistan Turkmen

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

He is Iraqi Turkmen not Turkmenistani or Afghanistan Turkmen

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Thanks. Just curious, how much Mongoloid are typical Turks?

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Originally Posted by Kaazi

Thanks. Just curious, how much Mongoloid are typical Turks?

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Turkish people 5-20%
Medieval Turkic 30-50%
Kazakhs and Kyrgyz 60-80%
Turkmens 15-50% mongoloid
Bashkirs 30-40% probably
Kazan Tatars 20-30%

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Turkish people 5-20%
Medieval Turkic 30-50%
Kazakhs and Kyrgyz 60-80%
Turkmens 15-50% mongoloid
Bashkirs 30-40% probably
Kazan Tatars 20-30%

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Turkish 0-20%**,
Medieval Turkic 20%-75%** There are Orkhun sampes who score 75% eurasian.

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Originally Posted by Altaylı

Turkish people 5-20%
Medieval Turkic 30-50%
Kazakhs and Kyrgyz 60-80%
Turkmens 15-50% mongoloid
Bashkirs 30-40% probably
Kazan Tatars 20-30%

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Kazan Tatars are 15-25%, most would range from 18 to 22%. Also Kazakhs are 57-65%, not anywhere near 80%. Some Kyrgyz can reach 70% East Eurasian but that's again above the average.

Two Republic Azerbaijanis:

From Tartar (possible significant Kurdish ancestry):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Azerbaijan.svg

Gedrosian: 22.47
Siberian: 2.87
Northwest_African: 0.49
Southeast_Asian: 0.24
Atlantic_Med: 8.04
North_European: 6.38
South_Asian: 2.22
East_African: 0.18
Southwest_Asian: 14.31
East_Asian: 2.58
Caucasian: 40.22
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Tartar
3.22082288 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.27577472 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.70033782 Zaza
4.14957829 Iraq_Turkmen
4.56040568 Kurd_Adygea
4.56396757 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.57508470 Azerbaijani
4.82810522 Kurd_Sorani
5.05747961 Yazidi
5.10094109 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.16056004 Turk_Southeast
6.85989067 Lur_Iran
7.55123831 Iranian
7.82202020 Iran_Central
7.82269774 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.17030599 Turk_East
9.06843426 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.10364762 Turk_Central_East
9.14025164 Iranian_Fars
10.18570076 Turk_South
10.52019011 Mandean
10.63896142 Azeri_Jew
10.75531032 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.94466080 Iranian_Jew
11.33884915 Assyrian_North

Target: Azerbaijani_Tartar
Distance: 1.4996% / 1.49961963 | ADC: 0.5x RC
61.1 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.7 Zaza
14.2 Azeri_Jew
10.0 Iraq_Turkmen

From Barda:
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Gedrosian: 21.35
Siberian: 2.40
Northwest_African: 0.86
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 12.27
North_European: 8.13
South_Asian: 2.51
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.68
East_Asian: 4.07
Caucasian: 37.72
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijnai_Barda
3.90349843 Azerbaijani
4.29270311 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.87319197 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.88034835 Turk_Southeast
6.63679893 Turk_Central_East
7.11613659 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.21307147 Turk_South
7.86825266 Zaza
7.88655818 Turk_Central_West
8.14691353 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
8.21946470 Yazidi
8.74066359 Kurd_Adygea
8.78624493 Iraq_Turkmen
9.16665152 Talysh_Azerbaijan
9.24596669 Kurd_Sorani
9.50641888 Turk_East
10.05710197 Turk_Southwest
10.07097314 Udi_Azerbaijan
10.08394268 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.11577481 Iran_Central
11.26704930 Lur_Iran
11.36994723 Iranian
11.46092056 Iranian_Fars
11.89655833 Iran_Khorasan
12.37278061 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Azerbaijnai_Barda
Distance: 1.4447% / 1.44466606 | ADC: 0.25x RC
64.0 Azerbaijani_Turkey
21.7 Yazidi
6.5 Iran_Khorasan
4.4 Sardinian
2.0 Spanish_Basque
1.3 Japanese
0.1 Hazara

Persian from Isfahan (50% Isfahan, 25% Yazd 25%Mashadd)

Gedrosian: 26.55
Siberian: 0.41
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.41
North_European: 12.03
South_Asian: 4.34
East_African: 2.04
Southwest_Asian: 13.04
East_Asian: 0.86
Caucasian: 32.27
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Isfahan_YM
6.34532111 Iran_Khorasan
6.59012139 Iran_C_East
7.16342795 Iran_Central
7.48230579 Iranian_Fars
8.93020716 Yazidi
9.59498306 Kurd_Sorani
9.81612958 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.92251480 Azerbaijani
9.92370898 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.32896897 Kurd_Adygea
11.03933422 Iranian
11.07293547 Iraq_Turkmen
11.20436522 Lur_Iran
11.40781750 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.63942438 Zaza
11.82655064 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.06822274 Turk_Southeast
12.18002874 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.71452879 Iran_Mazandaran
13.84029624 Turkmen_TM
14.80828822 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.89140692 Turk_South
14.97268513 Lezgin
15.39308936 Parsi_India
15.43677104 Turk_Central_East

Target: Isfahan_YM
Distance: 1.8136% / 1.81358736 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Iran_C_East
33.5 Yazidi
7.5 Yagnobi
6.1 PL_Warmia-Masuria
3.8 Lezgin
2.6 Kuwait2
1.6 Ethiopian

Target: Isfahan_YM
Distance: 3.0989% / 3.09888024 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.4 Iran_C_East
12.7 Bulgarian_East
6.8 Azerbaijani
2.1 Qumuq

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Persian from Isfahan (50% Isfahan, 25% Yazd 25%Mashadd)

Gedrosian: 26.55
Siberian: 0.41
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.41
North_European: 12.03
South_Asian: 4.34
East_African: 2.04
Southwest_Asian: 13.04
East_Asian: 0.86
Caucasian: 32.27
Sub_Saharan: 0.00

Distance to: Isfahan_YM
6.34532111 Iran_Khorasan
6.59012139 Iran_C_East
7.16342795 Iran_Central
7.48230579 Iranian_Fars
8.93020716 Yazidi
9.59498306 Kurd_Sorani
9.81612958 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.92251480 Azerbaijani
9.92370898 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.32896897 Kurd_Adygea
11.03933422 Iranian
11.07293547 Iraq_Turkmen
11.20436522 Lur_Iran
11.40781750 Talysh_Azerbaijan
11.63942438 Zaza
11.82655064 Azerbaijani_Turkey
12.06822274 Turk_Southeast
12.18002874 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
13.71452879 Iran_Mazandaran
13.84029624 Turkmen_TM
14.80828822 Iraqi_Baghdad
14.89140692 Turk_South
14.97268513 Lezgin
15.39308936 Parsi_India
15.43677104 Turk_Central_East

Target: Isfahan_YM
Distance: 1.8136% / 1.81358736 | ADC: 0.25x RC
44.9 Iran_C_East
33.5 Yazidi
7.5 Yagnobi
6.1 PL_Warmia-Masuria
3.8 Lezgin
2.6 Kuwait2
1.6 Ethiopian

Target: Isfahan_YM
Distance: 3.0989% / 3.09888024 | ADC: 0.5x RC
78.4 Iran_C_East
12.7 Bulgarian_East
6.8 Azerbaijani
2.1 Qumuq

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That's quit a lot of European for Iran! Anything interesting phenotypically? Y DNA? I always hope for something Aryanic to show up :cool:

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Originally Posted by Leto

That's quit a lot of European for Iran! Anything interesting phenotypically? Y DNA? I always hope for something Aryanic to show up :cool:

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the +12 NE results are floating in the last couple of months^^

Paternal: J-M267 Maternal: U1a3 no idead about phenotype

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Originally Posted by Kyp

the +12 NE results are floating in the last couple of months^^

Paternal: J-M267 Maternal: U1a3 no idead about phenotype

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OK. He is also 8% AM though. 20% Yurop in total.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

the +12 NE results are floating in the last couple of months^^

Paternal: J-M267 Maternal: U1a3 no idead about phenotype

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Most likely we will see results such as this (as well as the opposite, 3-4% NE) as more and more Iranians are taking DNA results. While there was no caste system in Iran I have a feeling there was some sort of "unspoken" distinction considering the Rural vs Urban, as well as Peasant vs Landowner system that existed (after urbanization modern Iranians are a mix of these 2 groups)

Pakistani Baloch. No good model for him, he's too Gedrosian :eek:

DR1799975

Gedrosia 45.71 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.2 Pct
North_European 6.32 Pct
South_Asian 22.57 Pct
East_African 2.18 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.47 Pct
East_Asian 2.15 Pct
Caucasus 14.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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Originally Posted by Leto

Pakistani Baloch. No good model for him, he's too Gedrosian :eek:

DR1799975

Gedrosia 45.71 Pct
Siberian 0.66 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 1.2 Pct
North_European 6.32 Pct
South_Asian 22.57 Pct
East_African 2.18 Pct
Southwest_Asian 4.47 Pct
East_Asian 2.15 Pct
Caucasus 14.74 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

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That’s probably the third or fourth Baloch sample which i see here and this one looks quite normal? From all Iranic groups, Balochs are genetically the most „special“ one.

Syrian from Aleppo. Basically he scores a bit of everything
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Gedrosia 16.52 Pct
Siberian 1.13 Pct
Northwest_African 2.1 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.62 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.37 Pct
North_European 4.66 Pct
South_Asian 2.83 Pct
East_African 1.85 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.58 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 34.58 Pct
Sub_Saharan 2.75 Pct

Distance to: Sami
6.39190113 Iraqi_Baghdad
6.81821091 Lebanese_Muslim
7.07531625 Syrian_Muslim
8.37149330 Iran_Arab
8.46120559 Iraqi_Arab
9.78135982 Palestinian
9.85633806 Turk_Southeast
9.90950554 Iraq_Turkmen
10.23556545 Jordanian_Muslim
10.53215078 Nusayri_Turkey

Target: Sami
Distance: 1.2396% / 1.23960503 | ADC: 0.25x RC
76.7 Iraqi_Baghdad
12.9 Syrian_Muslim
4.6 Spanish_Basque
4.0 Sardinian
1.8 Yoruba

Target: Sami
Distance: 2.2772% / 2.27723317 | ADC: 0.5x RC
68.5 Iraqi_Baghdad
23.7 Syrian_Muslim
7.8 Spanish_Basque

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Some Arab, half North African I guess
G2a4
U6a

Gedrosia 5.34 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 18.79 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 18.27 Pct
North_European 5.21 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 5.48 Pct
Southwest_Asian 19.19 Pct
East_Asian 0.4 Pct
Caucasus 23.52 Pct
Sub_Saharan 3.78 Pct

Target: Nidal
Distance: 2.3436% / 2.34358955 | ADC: 0.5x RC
41.7 Algerian
32.1 Egyptian
16.3 MD_Jewish
9.9 Turk_Northwest

Target: Nidal
Distance: 1.1630% / 1.16295732 | R3P
47.7 Palestinian
46.0 Algerian
6.3 PL_Warmia-Masuria

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Originally Posted by Gecko

That’s probably the third or fourth Baloch sample which i see here and this one looks quite normal? From all Iranic groups, Balochs are genetically the most „special“ one.

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There are multiple academic Balochis though. The ones from the recent study are not part of the existing average.

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Originally Posted by Gecko

That’s probably the third or fourth Baloch sample which i see here and this one looks quite normal? From all Iranic groups, Balochs are genetically the most „special“ one.

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Not sure how reliable, but people have said that there are possibly tens of thousands of individuals with significant African, Sindhi, and Arab/Omani related admixtures who are simply considered "normal" baloch which is skewing the averages (can't verify if its true)