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Originally Posted by Scarface F
I think there is a more recent connection. My haplogroup is R-L260.
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-L260/ancient
A lot of Vikings had this haplogroup and the Ostrogoths from Croatia have it too.
In addition to the Y haplogroup, I also have autosomal confirmations. But what is most interesting, I have the closest autosomal matches with Vikings of other haplogroups. Examples
I think this proves that this relationship is not very old. That's why I'm interested in the results of other people from northwestern Croatia.
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It it was, such admixture wouldn't be evenly spread in rural NW Croatia and it is and it would be historically recorded.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkoV
"Viking" is just a proxy for Germanic, there were no actual Vikings who left any notable impact there.
Also many "Vikings" from Sweden were not genetically Germanic but assimilated Balts, Slavs, Celts and so on.
Also, mytrue Ancestry is simple trash. Extremely low level site, so if you get "Viking" samples there it is totally meaningless.
Your haplogroup to add is pretty central European, and possibly assimilated to Goths, but it is not originally Germanic.
Why is it trash? My wife gets these results at the top, and the child has a mix of mine and hers.Attachment 126492
It's quite unreliable site, quality isn't very good. Where is your wife from?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkoV
From Dalmatia. I like MTA because I can search for detailed haplogroups for all archaeological results. They put a lot of new samples a week, and a lot of them are from Croatia. The part about the famous ancestors is bullshit, but I like the rest of it. The child's results match my wife's and mine.
MyTrueAncestry is TRASH because it uses false positive little segments. It's a commercial bullshit site.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkoV
Haplogroups are a hint, but just a TINY proportion of your autosomal DNA, so actually unimportant as to that.
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Originally Posted by DarkoV
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Originally Posted by Scarface F
Besides with false positive little segments MyTrueTRASH is consciously dealing with mislabelings, obviously in order to fascinate people.Quote:
Originally Posted by #Oda#
Here’s a pic from MTA that was posted above:
https://i.imgur.com/4zxHa7A.jpeg
Why is here talked about "Viking Sweden"?
The finds are from the 10th to 12th century.
"We present genome-wide sequence data from 23 individuals from the 10th to 12th century Swedish town of Sigtuna."
see https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60982218308443
As we know, the Viking Age ended in 1066. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age If the finds were evenly distributed over the period - we don't know - about half of them would not date from the Viking Age.
And secondly, a large proportion of the finds analysed are not indigenous.
”The data revealed high genetic diversity among the early urban residents. The observed variation exceeds the genetic diversity in distinct modern-day and Iron Age groups of central and northern Europe. Strontium isotope data suggest mixed local and non-local origin of the townspeople.”
“The Sigtuna individuals were widely distributed, with most falling within modern-day variation of Northern Europeans, with the majority of individuals encompassing genomic variation of modern-day individuals from Norway, the North Atlantic Islands, and England. Some samples show stronger tendencies toward modern Eastern, Western, and Central Europeans instead of Northern European populations (Figures 2A and 3).”
The following finds exhibit the following genetic resemblances to present-day populations:
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001 NORWEGIAN-COSSACK-SLOVAKIAN
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84005 FINNISH-GERMAN_EAST-BALTIC
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_97002 GERMAN-AUSTRIAN-SLOVAKIAN-DUTCH-WELSH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035 ORCADIAN-WELSH-NORWEGIAN
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036 CZECH-HUNGARIAN-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021 ICELANDIC-FINISH-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_KAL006 LATVIAN-ESTONIAN-FINNISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kal009 OUTLIER LATVIAN
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kls001 ICELANDIC_ENGLISH_WELSH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_nuf002 ORCADIAN-GERMAN_EAST-Swedish
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg020 INGRIAN-RUSSIAN_SLOVAKIAN
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021 ORCADIAN-CORNISH-GERMAN_EAST
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026 SWEDISH-SLOVAKIAN-COSSACK
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm035 COSSACK-NORWEGIAN-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm160 COSSACK-NORWEGIAN-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021 ICELANDIC-FINISH-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036 CZECH-HUNGARIAN-SWEDISH
It is recognisably a long-distance trading town with merchants from all over, similar to Visby on Gotland. This also relates to the time period. From German Wikipedia on Visby (translated):
"Visby developed into the leading trading port of the Baltic region in the middle of the 12th century.[8] A trade agreement between Visby and Novgorod can be assumed as early as the previous century.[9] Gotland travellers, i.e. merchants travelling to Visby, are first documented among the Russians and Danes: At least one Russian merchant church in Visby (St Olav[9]) and a mention in the Novgorod Chronicle speak in favour of the Russians; the presence of the Danes is documented by a letter of privilege from the Danish King Waldemar the Great (see Knudsgilde).[7] German merchants are only to be assumed in larger numbers later - after 1161.[9]"
Corresponding further doubtless misattributions could be found at MTA in practically all categories.
How do you explain the close autosomal relatedness with me of people living in early medieval Scandinavia who have the following haplogroups: R1a, R1b, N1a, I1a, I2a and E1b? Is it a coincidence?
Likewise, "illustrative dnk" shows a strong connection with Scandinavia.
You don't have a strong autosomal relatedness with indigenous people living in early medieval Scandinavia. As for the small matches in cM at MTA they are typically false positives as anyone dealing with DNA genealogy and matching can confirm. In case of both sidedly unphased DNA like here you need about 700 SNPs (without maybe imputed SNPs) for a matching segment to be assumend a real match and not a so called false zigzag match (as for zigzag matches see here:https://blog.kittycooper.com/2014/10...or-ibs-or-ibc/ ). And as for having resemblances in the ancestry composition with particular individuals from there I elaborated above that they are not indigenous and what they genetically are like. You have a resemblance with Germanic-Slavic mixtures as you are that yourself to a notable degree. The reason why in particular a lot of finds from Scandinavia show up is that they have over proportionally many finds from Scandinavia.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkoV
In your general ancestry composition, i. e. your autosomal genetics, you exhibit exactly like other Kajkavian speakers:
https://i.imgur.com/D2Bkq2D.jpeg
Do you also have G25 coords from Illustrative DNA for your wife that is from Dalmatia? Does she have four ethnic Croatian grandparents if you don't mind to tell?
Thank you for the explanation.
Yes. These are her closest results and coordinates.
Genetically Closest Ancient Populations
Medieval South Slav (Doclea)
AD 710–1163
2.303
Post-Medieval Syrmia
AD 1461–1635
3.162
Byzantine Slav (Nicaea)
AD 680–820
3.545
Byzantine Slav (Tragurium)
AD 660–780
4.348
Johannes Corvinus (Hunyadi Family)
AD 1473–1504
4.414
Medieval South Slav (Ryahovets)
AD 1000–1250
4.468
Early Medieval Bohemian Slav
AD 500-941
4.497
Visigoth (Iberia)
AD 500–600
4.534
Izyaslav Ingvarevich (Rurik Dynasty)
AD 1180–1223
4.853
Medieval South Slav (Bitola)
AD 992–1121
4.911
Code:Marija_scaled,0.132035,0.135065,0.047894,0.024548,0.03693,0.003904,0.00282,0.008538,-0.00634,-0.002369,0.002761,-0.004196,0.006244,0.022432,-0.006515,0.003978,0.011343,-0.004054,0.007793,0.000875,-0.010232,-0.00272,0.000863,0.004699,-0.004431
Marija,0.0116,0.0133,0.0127,0.0076,0.012,0.0014,0.0012,0.0037,-0.0031,-0.0013,0.0017,-0.0028,0.0042,0.0163,-0.0048,0.003,0.0087,-0.0032,0.0062,0.0007,-0.0082,-0.0022,0.0007,0.0039,-0.0037
Target: Marija_scaled
Distance: 2.3976% / 0.02397643
59.0 Slavic_medieval
41.0 Illyro-Roman
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkoV
I think Goths were quite likely bearers of it, not originally but via mixing and assimilations of other tribes moving from their homeland and going further south-east. Some subranches of L260 can be found in Italy, Spain and France where Goths left their genetic print, thus probably spreading it in the Balkans too. Some subranches can most likely be connected with Gothic movements including Darko's one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarface F
Mother:
https://i.imgur.com/yK55mI6.png
Father:
https://i.imgur.com/GkW84zz.png
PCA Plots
Attachment 127452
Two Way
Fit: 2.073
1.
Greek (Central Greece)89.4%
Spanish (Canarias)10.6%
Fit: 2.083
2.
Greek (Central Greece)69%
Italian (Umbria)31%
Fit: 2.085
3.
Greek (Central Greece)89.6%
Spanish (Castile and Leon)10.4%
Fit: 2.086
4.
Greek (Central Greece)88.9%
Spanish (Castilla-La Mancha)11.1%
Fit: 2.092
5.
Greek (Central Greece)89.1%
Portuguese10.9%
Fit: 2.095
6.
Greek (Central Greece)90.3%
Spanish (Cantabria)9.7%
Fit: 2.099
7.
Greek (Central Greece)89.8%
Spanish (Galicia)10.2%
Fit: 2.099
8.
Greek (Central Greece)89.5%
Spanish (Andalusia)10.5%
Fit: 2.099
9.
Greek (Central Greece)65.2%
Italian (Molise)34.8%
Fit: 2.104
10.
Greek (Central Greece)91.1%
Spanish (Navarre)8.9%
Three Way
Fit: 1.906
1.
Greek (Central Greece)56.5%
Italian (Umbria)40.2%
Mari3.3%
Fit: 1.923
2.
Greek (Central Greece)51.5%
Italian (Molise)45.2%
Mari3.3%
Fit: 1.926
3.
Greek (Central Greece)59.5%
Italian (Umbria)38.3%
Mansi2.2%
Fit: 1.934
4.
Greek (Central Greece)58.6%
Italian (Umbria)39.4%
Khanty2%
Fit: 1.939
5.
Corsican30.9%
Greek (Central Greece)59.4%
Karachay9.7%
Fit: 1.941
6.
Greek (Central Greece)46.3%
Italian (Molise)49.8%
Udmurt3.9%
Fit: 1.943
7.
Greek (Central Greece)53.5%
Italian (Molise)44.2%
Mansi2.3%
Fit: 1.943
8.
Greek (Central Greece)58.5%
Italian (Umbria)39.8%
Ket1.7%
Fit: 1.947
9.
Balkar9.7%
Corsican31.5%
Greek (Central Greece)58.8%
Fit: 1.951
10.
Catalan (Baleares)22.9%
Greek (Central Greece)66.4%
Meskhetian Turk (Georgia)10.7%
First ten BA:
Two Way
Fit: 2.026
1.
33%
67%
Poltavka Culture
Minoan
Fit: 2.107
2.
39.4%
60.6%
Corded Ware Culture
Minoan
Fit: 2.198
3.
33.1%
66.9%
Yamnaya Culture
Minoan
Fit: 2.232
4.
33.3%
66.7%
Catacomb Culture
Minoan
Fit: 2.256
5.
40.5%
59.5%
Unetice Culture
Copper Age Anatolian (Ilıpınar)
Fit: 2.258
6.
41.6%
58.4%
Fatyanovo Culture
Minoan
Fit: 2.281
7.
41.6%
58.4%
Srubnaya Culture
Minoan
Fit: 2.293
8.
21.9%
78.1%
Poltavka Culture
Mycenaean Greek
Fit: 2.313
9.
42.2%
57.8%
Sintashta Culture
Minoan
Fit: 2.326
10.
22.1%
77.9%
Catacomb Culture
Mycenaean Greek
IA:
Two Way
Fit: 2.043
1.
72%
28%
Thracian
Yaz Culture
Fit: 2.118
2.
77.3%
22.7%
South Illyrian
Mannaean
Fit: 2.139
3.
77.8%
22.2%
South Illyrian
Mannaean (Hasanlu Lovers)
Fit: 2.152
4.
79.7%
20.3%
Paeonian
Mannaean (Hasanlu Lovers)
Fit: 2.157
5.
75%
25%
South Illyrian
Urartian
Fit: 2.186
6.
79.4%
20.6%
Paeonian
Mannaean
Fit: 2.198
7.
75.2%
24.8%
Thracian
Sarmatian (Urals)
Fit: 2.208
8.
65.7%
34.3%
Classical Greek (Himera)
Scythian (Western Steppe)
Fit: 2.224
9.
77.7%
22.3%
Paeonian
Etiuni
Fit: 2.227
10.
77%
23%
South Illyrian
Upper Mesopotamian (Iron Age)
RA:
Two Way
Fit: 2.046
1.
86.5%
13.5%
Pannonian (Migration Period)
Kangju
Fit: 2.068
2.
88.5%
11.5%
Pannonian (Migration Period)
Kushan
Fit: 2.079
3.
88%
12%
Pannonian (Migration Period)
Sarmatian (Western Steppe)
Fit: 2.099
4.
86.5%
13.5%
Pannonian (Migration Period)
Sarmatian (Roxolani)
Fit: 2.103
5.
85.4%
14.6%
Pannonian (Migration Period)
Bactrian (Kushan Period)
Fit: 2.115
6.
89.8%
10.2%
Roman Dalmatian
Kushan
Fit: 2.145
7.
87%
13%
Roman Dalmatian
Bactrian (Kushan Period)
Fit: 2.177
8.
88.4%
11.6%
Roman Dalmatian
Kangju
Fit: 2.198
9.
78.6%
21.4%
Roman Moesian
Bactrian (Kushan Period)
Fit: 2.201
10.
23.5%
76.5%
Bohemian Slav (Early Middle Ages)
Imperial Roman (Latium)
MA:
Two Way
Fit: 1.756
1.
89%
11%
Medieval Albanian
Post-Medieval Swat Valley (Singoor)
Fit: 1.811
2.
84.4%
15.6%
Medieval Albanian
Sogdian (Eastern Steppe)
Fit: 1.862
3.
88.7%
11.3%
Medieval Albanian
Medieval Swat Valley (Mahmud Ghaznavi Mosque)
Fit: 1.878
4.
80.2%
19.8%
Medieval Albanian
Alan (North Caucasus)
Fit: 1.897
5.
91.2%
8.8%
Medieval Albanian
Medieval Swat Valley (Barikot)
Fit: 1.900
6.
88.7%
11.3%
Medieval Albanian
Post-Medieval Tian Shan Nomad
Fit: 1.906
7.
86.4%
13.6%
Medieval Albanian
Medieval Central Asian Nestorian (Tian Shan)
Fit: 2.000
8.
82.4%
17.6%
Medieval Albanian
Medieval North Caucasian (Anapa)
Fit: 2.024
9.
82.3%
17.7%
Medieval Albanian
Ottoman Turk (Kaman-Kalehöyük)
Fit: 2.043
10.
83.9%
16.1%
Medieval Albanian
Ottoman Turk (Çapalıbağ)
Can plot also more or less between the post Medieval Greeks and Medieval Central Italians, Medieval Albanians and Byzantine Dalmatia, Roman Pannonia and Roman Imperial (Between south and North of Italy) or Medieval Albania and postmedieval Greeks
Fit: 2.350
42.
49.3%
50.7%
Byzantine Dalmatian (Tragurium)
Medieval Albanian
Fit: 2.392
50.
45.8%
54.2%
Medieval Central Italian (Tarquinia)
Post-Medieval Greek Mainlander (Roopkund)
Fit: 2.428
38.
48.2%
51.8%
Imperial Roman (Latium)
Roman Pannonian
Fit: 2.271
24.
48.1%
51.9%
Medieval Albanian
Post-Medieval Greek Mainlander (Roopkund)
I have my own qualms with their neolithic model, nonetheless:
https://i.ibb.co/rGg9848/Screenshot-...9-28-45-AM.png
Modern map
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Ancient mixed modes
P1
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P2
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P3
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P4
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Their PCA — the global hull is misleading since "Europe" is stretched out by Sardinians into the ANF void
https://i.ibb.co/JF8WGgY/Screenshot-...9-26-07-AM.png
https://i.ibb.co/Y28vgQL/Screenshot-...9-26-47-AM.png
On calxpals request:
https://i.postimg.cc/fbf1wfqB/illu-6.png
I am not sure if anyone else got an update but my Middle Age Results changed from Baltic/Slavic to this:
https://i.imgur.com/2CA47Q8.jpg
update only appear in Global mode?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vessna
mine middle ages don't changed anything i think but is in Latin America mode , some pops is with overfit
https://i.postimg.cc/mDM2PykV/middle-age.png
In global and regionalQuote:
Originally Posted by brunolord20
Global, I guess the same as it was.
https://i.imgur.com/Hlg5dAq.png
If I for better comparison select regional and "West/East Slavic", I get this:
https://i.imgur.com/8rJ1mmi.jpeg
In global mode (and without pop limit) I get this, which cannot really be connected to actual ancestry:
https://i.imgur.com/Fuwjg6w.jpeg
Unsupervised model modern. I see that some have it in their signatures whisch is supposedly very good... Looks off for me. First of all, I am just half-Ukrainian. Secondly, I get 0% Middle East or anything related on MyHeritage. Okay, the most southern I get is 3% Greek and Albanian, is that same as Yemeni? I get 0.3% Ashkenazi on 23me. Is that 0.3% so influential to become 8% Yemeni?
https://i.ibb.co/x86tjMcX/194018.png
https://i.ibb.co/9kfLPMjs/193936.png