Post your ILLUSTRATIVE DNA results

[DarkoV]

I would guess much of this Germanic admix in Kajkavians is from Langobards. We have Langobard sample from near Zagreb and he was Frisian like genetically if I remember correctly.

[DarkoV]

I think there is a more recent connection. My haplogroup is R-L260.
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-L260/ancient
A lot of Vikings had this haplogroup and the Ostrogoths from Croatia have it too.
In addition to the Y haplogroup, I also have autosomal confirmations. But what is most interesting, I have the closest autosomal matches with Vikings of other haplogroups. Examples

I think this proves that this relationship is not very old. That's why I'm interested in the results of other people from northwestern Croatia.

[Feiichy]

I think there is a more recent connection.

It it was, such admixture wouldn't be evenly spread in rural NW Croatia and it is and it would be historically recorded.
"Viking" is just a proxy for Germanic, there were no actual Vikings who left any notable impact there.

Also many "Vikings" from Sweden were not genetically Germanic but assimilated Balts, Slavs, Celts and so on.

[Feiichy]

Also, mytrue Ancestry is simple trash. Extremely low level site, so if you get "Viking" samples there it is totally meaningless.

Your haplogroup to add is pretty central European, and possibly assimilated to Goths, but it is not originally Germanic.

[DarkoV]

Why is it trash? My wife gets these results at the top, and the child has a mix of mine and hers.

[Feiichy]

Why is it trash? My wife gets these results at the top, and the child has a mix of mine and hers.

It's quite unreliable site, quality isn't very good. Where is your wife from?

[DarkoV]

From Dalmatia. I like MTA because I can search for detailed haplogroups for all archaeological results. They put a lot of new samples a week, and a lot of them are from Croatia. The part about the famous ancestors is bullshit, but I like the rest of it. The child's results match my wife's and mine.

[#Oda#]

Why is it trash? My wife gets these results at the top, and the child has a mix of mine and hers.

MyTrueAncestry is TRASH because it uses false positive little segments. It's a commercial bullshit site.

Haplogroups are a hint, but just a TINY proportion of your autosomal DNA, so actually unimportant as to that.

[rothaer]

Why is it trash?

Also many "Vikings" from Sweden were not genetically Germanic but assimilated Balts, Slavs, Celts and so on.

MyTrueAncestry is TRASH because it uses false positive little segments. It's a commercial bullshit site.

Haplogroups are a hint, but just a TINY proportion of your autosomal DNA, so actually unimportant as to that.

Besides with false positive little segments MyTrueTRASH is consciously dealing with mislabelings, obviously in order to fascinate people.

Here’s a pic from MTA that was posted above:



Why is here talked about "Viking Sweden"?

The finds are from the 10th to 12th century.

"We present genome-wide sequence data from 23 individuals from the 10th to 12th century Swedish town of Sigtuna."

see https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60982218308443

As we know, the Viking Age ended in 1066. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age If the finds were evenly distributed over the period - we don't know - about half of them would not date from the Viking Age.

And secondly, a large proportion of the finds analysed are not indigenous.

”The data revealed high genetic diversity among the early urban residents. The observed variation exceeds the genetic diversity in distinct modern-day and Iron Age groups of central and northern Europe. Strontium isotope data suggest mixed local and non-local origin of the townspeople.”

“The Sigtuna individuals were widely distributed, with most falling within modern-day variation of Northern Europeans, with the majority of individuals encompassing genomic variation of modern-day individuals from Norway, the North Atlantic Islands, and England. Some samples show stronger tendencies toward modern Eastern, Western, and Central Europeans instead of Northern European populations (Figures 2A and 3).”

The following finds exhibit the following genetic resemblances to present-day populations:

Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84001 NORWEGIAN-COSSACK-SLOVAKIAN
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_84005 FINNISH-GERMAN_EAST-BALTIC
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_97002 GERMAN-AUSTRIAN-SLOVAKIAN-DUTCH-WELSH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt035 ORCADIAN-WELSH-NORWEGIAN
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036 CZECH-HUNGARIAN-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021 ICELANDIC-FINISH-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_KAL006 LATVIAN-ESTONIAN-FINNISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kal009 OUTLIER LATVIAN
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_kls001 ICELANDIC_ENGLISH_WELSH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_nuf002 ORCADIAN-GERMAN_EAST-Swedish
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg020 INGRIAN-RUSSIAN_SLOVAKIAN
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg021 ORCADIAN-CORNISH-GERMAN_EAST
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_stg026 SWEDISH-SLOVAKIAN-COSSACK
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm035 COSSACK-NORWEGIAN-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_urm160 COSSACK-NORWEGIAN-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_gtm021 ICELANDIC-FINISH-SWEDISH
Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna:vik_grt036 CZECH-HUNGARIAN-SWEDISH

It is recognisably a long-distance trading town with merchants from all over, similar to Visby on Gotland. This also relates to the time period. From German Wikipedia on Visby (translated):

"Visby developed into the leading trading port of the Baltic region in the middle of the 12th century.[8] A trade agreement between Visby and Novgorod can be assumed as early as the previous century.[9] Gotland travellers, i.e. merchants travelling to Visby, are first documented among the Russians and Danes: At least one Russian merchant church in Visby (St Olav[9]) and a mention in the Novgorod Chronicle speak in favour of the Russians; the presence of the Danes is documented by a letter of privilege from the Danish King Waldemar the Great (see Knudsgilde).[7] German merchants are only to be assumed in larger numbers later - after 1161.[9]"

Corresponding further doubtless misattributions could be found at MTA in practically all categories.

[DarkoV]

How do you explain the close autosomal relatedness with me of people living in early medieval Scandinavia who have the following haplogroups: R1a, R1b, N1a, I1a, I2a and E1b? Is it a coincidence?

Likewise, "illustrative dnk" shows a strong connection with Scandinavia.