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Originally Posted by Gloriana Jacinto
Don't you guys wonder just why this site is growing and has more members than ever before? Because foaming at the mouth racist Neo-Nazi wannabes no longer post here in large numbers and thus cannot scare potentially productive, sane members away. For every poster here who wants this to be Stormfront 2.0 and leaves, I bet you could find three normal people to take their place.
Some of us just want to come here to make friends and talk about different cultures and appreciate what the world has to offer. Not everyone wants to be part of some movement.
"It's not just that.It is showed only 1-2% because we don't have tools to measure deep ancestry admixture.When we will have.African will be even greater in Southern Europeans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
The Bass is not a provocateur.If EastAfricans are admixed and all the time Euros point about that then why Southern Europeans are so touchy about their admixture?"
Charlie Boss
That exist ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthropologique
So there is no link to proof your earlier claim that they are bragging about taking over Southern Europeans ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloriana Jacinto
After all, for a good debate you need some resistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triton
It's not about being racist or not, but simple, potential disbalance.Not many can walk a fine line, or survive large influx of non-European members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I haven't yet noticed a 'large influx', and is unlikely ... this forum's theme is European, and hence always the vast majority would be European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lena
You are wrong; Genetics have now tools to measure which part of admixture is recent and which one is ancient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloriana Jacinto
The average frequence of Sub-Saharian MtDNA in all Europe is of around 1%; it has been recently established that abnbout 65% of this total percentage (which means hence 0,65% of total Euro Mtdna is recent and the remaining 35% (0,35% of total EURO MtDNA) comes from Meso-Neolithiic esporadic migratory waves
source:
Reconstructing ancient mitochondrial DNA links
between Africa and EuropeMarı“a Cerezo,1,7 Alessandro Achilli,2 Anna Olivieri,3 Ugo A. Perego,3,4
Alberto Go“mez-Carballa,1 Francesca Brisighelli,1,5 Hovirag Lancioni,2
Scott R. Woodward,4 Manuel Lo“pez-Soto,6 A“ ngel Carracedo,1 Cristian Capelli,5
Antonio Torroni,3 and Antonio Salas1,7,8
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) lineages of macro-haplogroup L (excluding the derived L3 branches M and N) represent
the majority of the typical sub-Saharan mtDNA variability. In Europe, these mtDNAs account for <1% of the total but,
when analyzed at the level of control region, they show no signals of having evolved within the European continent, an
observation that is compatible with a recent arrival from the African continent. To further evaluate this issue, we analyzed
69 mitochondrial genomes belonging to various L sublineages from a wide range of European populations. Phylogeographic
analyses showed that ~65% of the European L lineages most likely arrived in rather recent historical times,
including the Romanization period, the Arab conquest of the Iberian Peninsula and Sicily, and during the period of the
Atlantic slave trade. However, the remaining 35% of L mtDNAs form European-specific subclades, revealing that there
was gene flow from sub-Saharan Africa toward Europe as early as 11,000 yr ago.
I am going to purge this thread one last time.
Back to the original topic: African admixture in Southern Europeans. And the first one that starts posting rubbish will, for God's my witness get a VERY HARD kick under the arse. Am I making myself very clear ? People don't need to answer: just follow up on the order or leave the thread !
Source? Please don't quote me Richard Lynn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Beh č una cosa che disse Lynn tempo fa, non so quanto sia veritiera comunque...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli
In ogni caso se leggi gli interventi successivi capirai che non facevo sul serio in questo thread...
You can find on italianthro the rebuttal to Richard Lynn's Italian "IQ" Study.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarathustra
His IQ lists were basically estimated based on GDP. It has no study behind it, basically because it's very difficult to determine the IQ of a nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarathustra
Southern Europeans are touchy about any subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gloriana Jacinto
edit: so other than pointing out the nature of the people, you can't use that to prove anything.
One needs a lot more than one or two per cent of Sub Saharan blood to start looking or acting like our friend Mr Bass, so I don't see it as a great issue.
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Originally Posted by Matritensis
Right: if Eastern Africans cannot be considered as "Caucasians" with around 40% of West Eurasian DNAand Western Africans are still Sub-saharians with about 8% of W.Eurasian DNA then there's nothing Sub-Saharian , even remotely, about South Europe
There is a paper about old East Asian admixture in all European populations that will be published soon according to Davidski. The "purity" of some europeans compared to other europeans will be no longer accepted. It'll fill the gap with finns, saamis, volga people and other eastern pred-european populations with already very clear and visible east eurasian affinity.
It could also show that there are no "pure" west eurasian populations anymore, since europeans are part mong, southern euros are part mong and negro (especially the latter), middle eastern and north africans are part negro and Iranians, Pakistanis & co are part negrito...ASI... or whatever it is.
Let alone various admixture levels with Neanderthal, Denisova and other archaic humans (if it happens to be true)...
:)
What new will Davidski paper show that we do not know about?Quote:
Originally Posted by zlakopistou
Anyway look at the first post
I can't believe this thread is still open..
Let's add more fuel!
The History of African Gene Flow into Southern
Europeans, Levantines, and Jews
Previous genetic studies have suggested a history of sub-Saharan African gene flow into some West Eurasian populations after the initial dispersal out of Africa that occurred at least 45,000 years ago. However, there has been no accurate characterization of the proportion of mixture, or of its date.
We analyze genome-wide polymorphism data from about 40
West Eurasian groups to show that almost all Southern Europeans have inherited 1%–3% African ancestry with an average mixture date of around 55 generations ago, consistent with North African gene flow at the end of the Roman Empire and subsequent Arab migrations.
Levantine groups harbor 4%–15% African ancestry with an average mixture date of about 32 generations ago, consistent with close political, economic, and cultural links with Egypt in the late middle ages. We also detect 3%–5% sub-Saharan African ancestry in all eight of the diverse Jewish populations that we analyzed.
For the Jewish admixture, we obtain an average estimated date of about 72 generations. This may reflect descent of these groups from a common ancestral population that already had some African ancestry prior to the Jewish Diasporas.
http://genetics.med.harvard.edu/reic...rjani_PLOS.pdf
Doesn't seem the (rather miniscule I dare say) rates of West African admixture in many parts of South Europe is Neolithic as is often claimed, but rather a legacy of the Roman Empire.
Based on Dodecad K12b samples:
https://i.hizliresim.com/qJJ9Qq.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...ican_influenceQuote:
In terms of autosomal DNA, the most recent study regarding African admixture in Iberian populations was conducted in April 2013 by Botigué et al. using genome-wide SNP data for over 2000 individuals, concluding that Portugal and Spain hold significant levels of North African ancestry. Estimates of shared ancestry averaged from 4% in some places to 10% in the general population, the populations of the Canary Islands outputted up to 20% of shared ancestry with north africans, although the Canary islands are a spanish exclave located in the african continent, and thus this output is not representative of the iberian population; these same results did not exceed 2% in other western or southern European populations.[1][31][32] However, contrary to past autosomal studies and to what is inferred from Y-Chromosome and Mitochondrial Haplotype frequencies(see below), it does not detect significant levels of Sub-Saharan ancestry in any European population outside the Canary Islands. Indeed, a prior 2011 autosomal study by Moorjani et al. found Sub-Saharan ancestry throughout Europe at ranges of between 1-4%, "the highest proportion of African ancestry in Europe is in Iberia (Portugal 4.2±0.3% and Spain 1.4±0.3%), consistent with inferences based on mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomes and the observation by Auton et al. that within Europe, the Southwestern Europeans have the highest haplotype-sharing with North Africans."[25][11][29] A similar 2014 study by Lazaridis et al. found an average African admixture of 13.8% (12.6% Mozabite and 1.2% Mbuti/Yoruba) in the Y-DNA markers of the Spanish population, suggesting that gene flow from Sub-Saharan and North African populations has occurred in the Spanish sample.[33]
On Gedmatch they don't score 10%. I have like 8 Spanish samples and on Dodecad K7b the most African of them is 1.7%.
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 60.67
2 Southern 25.62
3 West_Asian 9.67
4 African 1.7
5 South_Asian 1.47
6 Siberian 0.87
By contrast, this is a half-East African half-Russian girl (no idea what kind of EA, she was adopted in Canada):
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 35.21
2 African 24.83
3 Southern 23.5
4 West_Asian 10.51
5 Siberian 3.34
6 South_Asian 2.01
7 East_Asian 0.59
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.9% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) + 48.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.51
2 52.5% Ethiopians (Behar) + 47.5% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 4
3 50.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 49.4% Somali (Dodecad) @ 4.03
4 52.7% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) + 47.3% Russian (HGDP) @ 4.44
5 65.6% Romanians (Behar) + 34.4% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 4.45
6 52.7% Ethiopian_Jews (Behar) + 47.3% Russian_B (Behar) @ 4.49
7 65.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 34.3% MKK30 (Dodecad) @ 4.52
8 53.3% Ethiopians (Behar) + 46.7% Russian (HGDP) @ 4.55
9 67% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 33% Sandawe (Henn) @ 4.57
10 53.3% Ethiopians (Behar) + 46.7% Russian_B (Behar) @ 4.67
An Algerian:
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Southern 48.51
2 Atlantic_Baltic 23.87
3 African 20.98
4 West_Asian 5.35
5 Siberian 0.96
6 South_Asian 0.34
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Algerian (Dodecad) 4.22
2 Moroccan (Dodecad) 9.6
3 Moroccans (Behar) 9.94
4 Mozabite (HGDP) 11.08
5 Egyptans (Behar) 24.35
Some Sicilians, Calabrians and Greeks have sickle cell anemia. If you want to know the awful fact of the day. Somewhat oddly Iberia does not have sickle cell. I would have expected Iberians to have higher nig nog admixture than Italians and especially Greeks.