Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by rothaer

The County Glatz is interesting. It most of the time belonged to Bohemia, when the Prussians besides the biggest part od Silesia took it too in 1741. Since then it's viewed as a part of Silesia. But nevertheless the inhabitants od the County Glatz had an own, somewhat seperate from the Silesian mainstream, identity. The county is surrounded 3/4 by mountain ridges and has just one opening towards the rest of Silesia.

I now noted that it has an elevated genetic similarity with pops towards the Balkans. Did here some Vlach-like people come along the Carpathians, Beskids and Sudets? Vlachs in Moravia are in the records of history...

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Vlachs were semi-nomadic pastoralists well into late Medieval times and they wandered and settled down everywhere in the Balkans and East-Central Europe. Who knows, maybe they even reached West Silesia in bigger numbers, even though I doubt there are any historic records about this. But interestingly I don't see this great Balkanic influence in them, they seem to be mostly an East German/East-Central European mix:

Distance to: German_County_Glatz
2.91921222 Austrian
3.92306003 German_North_Bohemia
4.75883389 German_Ore_Mountains_Saxony
5.11464564 German_Saxony
5.64707004 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
6.14635664 Slovenian
6.60062118 Hungarian
7.01050640 Austrian_Carinthia
7.28628849 German_Saxony-Anhalt_south
7.31126528 Croat_North
7.45774765 Czech
7.66368710 Hungarian_Alföld
7.80775256 German_Bavarian_Swabia
7.94814444 Hungarian_North
8.18598803 German_Central_Hesse
8.44043245 Slovak
8.55638943 German_Lower_Franconia
8.73916472 German
8.97100329 German_Bavaria_proper
9.07841396 Austrian_Lower_Austria
9.26880251 Croat
9.39302401 Croat_West
9.57534856 Csángó-Ceangău
9.80429498 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
9.88662733 German_West_Prussia

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Originally Posted by rothaer

The County Glatz is interesting. It most of the time belonged to Bohemia, when the Prussians besides the biggest part od Silesia took it too in 1741. Since then it's viewed as a part of Silesia. But nevertheless the inhabitants od the County Glatz had an own, somewhat seperate from the Silesian mainstream, identity. The county is surrounded 3/4 by mountain ridges and has just one opening towards the rest of Silesia.

I now noted that it has an elevated genetic similarity with pops towards the Balkans. Did here some Vlach-like people come along the Carpathians, Beskids and Sudets? Vlachs in Moravia are in the records of history...

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Yes they arrived in Moravia but I heard it was their last stop. But Sudetes were sparcely inhabited so who knows maybe they wandered too.

Germans in Czech Republic (and areas near by like county Glatz) are more Austrian like ("SE German") than north-eastern German like (Meck-Pom, Prussia etc).
They seem mix of southern Germans and Slavs more or less.

But I don't see special Balkanic influence either. It's just that central Euro Celts were pretty woggy genetically, and even heavily overlapping Balkan Illyrians.
These Germans probably have high Celtic affinity.

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Originally Posted by Tomenable

Here is the average (these are academic samples, but of course Jews from GEDmatch can be added too):

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German_Jewish,15.85,5.92,19.08,9.77,39.16,6.35,0.44,0.73,0.33,0.39,0.40,0.89,0.70

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Distance to:	German_Jewish
4.25860306	Jew_Italy
5.16441671	Jew_Moldova
6.35037007	Jew_Sephardi
6.37775039	Jew_Ashkenazi
6.40543519	Jew_Algeria
6.89935504	Jew_Morroco
8.56658625	Jew_Tunisia
8.65227716	Italian_Calabria
9.05433046	Maltese
9.57498825	Greek_Symi

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You know I'm opposed to you Piotr but do you have their Dodecad results?
Also I wish someone could share new Moroccan and Sephardic Jewish samples for Dod. What we have is from the original spreadsheet, might be inaccurate.

Here is how Celtic samples from Austria plot:

Distance to: Austria_IA_average

0.01878363 French_Auvergne
0.02107609 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02113828 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02252736 French_Occitanie
0.02340511 French_Provence
0.02344695 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02374514 Swiss_French
0.02376993 Spanish_Girona
0.02398743 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02408162 Spanish_Lleida
0.02418693 Spanish_Penedes
0.02423595 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02466524 Italian_Northeast
0.02482884 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02523660 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02557335 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02658093 Spanish_Baleares
0.02677327 Italian_Veneto
0.02748863 Spanish_Menorca
0.02769109 Swiss_German
0.02818677 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02860195 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02871866 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02935637 Spanish_Valencia
0.02959218 Italian_Bergamo

Not very different from IA "Croatians" who were mainly "Illyrian"

Distance to: Croatia_IA_average

0.01155399 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01251120 Italian_Veneto
0.01665255 Italian_Bergamo
0.01989058 Italian_Northeast
0.02017045 French_Provence
0.02086882 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02146604 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02182941 Spanish_Baleares
0.02322095 Italian_Lombardy
0.02341551 Spanish_Girona
0.02442572 Italian_Piedmont
0.02452262 Spanish_Penedes
0.02497252 Swiss_French
0.02499532 Spanish_Menorca
0.02525368 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02635607 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02661250 Swiss_Italian
0.02662787 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02673346 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02675787 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02685927 Spanish_Lleida
0.02837549 French_Auvergne
0.02971066 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03056496 Italian_Liguria
0.03064298 Spanish_Pirineu

Czech IA is more northern shifted, but it has some outliers who look very Germanic and not Celtic (Scandinavian like samples)
this kind of DNA is probably responsible for southernish shift of some Germans (plus actual Roman DNA but in czech lands it was not the case, unless indirect transmission - austrian settlers for eg.)

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Here is how Celtic samples from Austria plot:

Distance to: Austria_IA_average

0.01878363 French_Auvergne
0.02107609 Spanish_Barcelones
0.02113828 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02252736 French_Occitanie
0.02340511 French_Provence
0.02344695 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02374514 Swiss_French
0.02376993 Spanish_Girona
0.02398743 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02408162 Spanish_Lleida
0.02418693 Spanish_Penedes
0.02423595 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02466524 Italian_Northeast
0.02482884 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02523660 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02557335 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02658093 Spanish_Baleares
0.02677327 Italian_Veneto
0.02748863 Spanish_Menorca
0.02769109 Swiss_German
0.02818677 Spanish_Pirineu
0.02860195 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02871866 Spanish_Cataluna
0.02935637 Spanish_Valencia
0.02959218 Italian_Bergamo

Not very different from IA Croats who were mainly "Illyrian"

Distance to: Croatia_IA_average

0.01155399 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01251120 Italian_Veneto
0.01665255 Italian_Bergamo
0.01989058 Italian_Northeast
0.02017045 French_Provence
0.02086882 Spanish_Mallorca
0.02146604 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02182941 Spanish_Baleares
0.02322095 Italian_Lombardy
0.02341551 Spanish_Girona
0.02442572 Italian_Piedmont
0.02452262 Spanish_Penedes
0.02497252 Swiss_French
0.02499532 Spanish_Menorca
0.02525368 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.02635607 Spanish_Eivissa
0.02661250 Swiss_Italian
0.02662787 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.02673346 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.02675787 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.02685927 Spanish_Lleida
0.02837549 French_Auvergne
0.02971066 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03056496 Italian_Liguria
0.03064298 Spanish_Pirineu

Czech IA is more northern shifted, but it has some outliers who look very Germanic and not Celtic (Scandinavian like samples)

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So basically it's obvious that continental Celts were basically like some Frenchmen and some Northern guidos?

Switzerland is not Celtic speaking of course but they have some kind of Celtic identity which appears to be not unsubstantiated.

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Originally Posted by Leto

So basically it's obvious that continental Celts were basically like some Frenchmen and some Northern guidos?

Switzerland is not Celtic speaking of course but they have some kind of Celtic identity which appears to be not unsubstantiated.

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If you ask me, yes.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

If you ask me, yes.

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And Italics? Do we have any pure Italics?

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Originally Posted by Leto

And Italics? Do we have any pure Italics?

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Yes, they were Iberian like.

Distance to: ITA_Rome_Latini_IA_average

0.04183473 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.04570194 French_Corsica
0.04771550 Spanish_Castello
0.04843403 Spanish_Baleares
0.04868291 Spanish_Menorca
0.05019594 Spanish_Pirineu
0.05039758 Spanish_Murcia
0.05054424 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.05079895 Spanish_Aragon
0.05084403 Spanish_Soria
0.05091671 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.05102282 Spanish_Girona
0.05106171 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.05119754 Spanish_Lleida
0.05153013 Spanish_Mallorca
0.05171704 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.05218196 Spanish_Valencia
0.05253162 Italian_Bergamo
0.05257496 Spanish_Alacant
0.05258964 Spanish_Eivissa
0.05296461 Spanish_Cantabria
0.05298299 Spanish_Cataluna
0.05301040 French_South
0.05345731 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.05348050 Spanish_Penedes

Distance to: ITA_Ardea_Latini_IA_average

0.03414474 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03481290 Spanish_Menorca
0.03505798 Spanish_Pirineu
0.03525011 Spanish_Baleares
0.03555346 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03584994 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03586453 Italian_Bergamo
0.03666856 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03676139 Spanish_Lleida
0.03685889 Spanish_Aragon
0.03711660 Spanish_Castello
0.03721826 Spanish_Girona
0.03753948 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03761406 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03779631 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03809530 Spanish_Cantabria
0.03873419 Italian_Lombardy
0.03899137 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03911349 Spanish_Valencia
0.03944179 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03972755 Italian_Veneto
0.03974493 Spanish_Penedes
0.03978986 French_South
0.04143959 French_Corsica
0.04188122 Spanish_La_Rioja

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Originally Posted by Leto

And Italics? Do we have any pure Italics?

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This average is made from over 40 samples

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Italy_IA,0.1252054,0.1572337,0.0369118,-0.015055,0.0492024,-0.009183,-0.0007623,-0.003287,0.0229865,0.0439455,0.000412,0.0113643,-0.0206457,-0.0067402,-0.002486,-0.002794,0.0032722,0.0008559,0.002376,-0.0034041,0.0010926,0.0046596,-0.0024199,-0.0046376,0.0006396

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Reconstructed Eurogenes K13 values

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Italy_IA,32.16332,10.90275,35.1878,2.44122,14.28425,2.70792,0.99132,0,0.2403,0.12827,0.30152,0.49833,0.15218

1.42958228        41.80% Dutch_South + 58.20% Sardinian

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