What kind of immigrants? The Black Sea-Azov coast was ceded to the Russian Empire in the 18th century and settled afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
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What kind of immigrants? The Black Sea-Azov coast was ceded to the Russian Empire in the 18th century and settled afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
I think these are recent migrants from other parts of Ukraine and the Soviet Union.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
There could be more of them which aren't this obvious, that's why I don't want to merge Kiev and Dnipro with the rest.Code:Kyivska_o:Kiev25,15.10,46.29,8.45,8.68,2.46,1.15,0.66,0.75,13.71,1.53,0.01,0.00,1.21
Kyivska_o1:Kiev26,23.57,37.18,7.85,20.02,4.47,1.15,1.88,0.00,2.47,0.00,0.20,0.66,0.56
Dnipropetrovska:EG600067_,28.10,51.26,7.28,5.53,1.96,1.11,1.23,0.50,1.77,0.00,0.12,1.11,0.03
Distance to: Kyivska_o1:Kiev26
15.04877736 Ukrainian_Galicia
15.20848776 Moldovan_North
15.39899023 Ukrainian_Carpathians
15.46221200 Ukrainian_Moldova
15.65090732 Bosniak
16.16141392 Lemko_Poland
16.20274051 Croat_East
16.45201204 Russian_Ryazan
16.51376093 Polish_South
16.52543494 Polish_Subcarpathia
16.80222307 Mordvin
16.84874179 Polish_Silesia
16.89516203 Slovak
16.99723507 Tatar_Volga
17.04026995 Ukrainian
17.24234323 Moldovan_Central
17.31406365 Croat_North
17.37863919 Csángó-Ceangău
17.38354107 Hungarian_Alföld
17.38876936 Croat
17.47309360 Hungarian_North
17.51964041 Moldovan
17.70110166 Hungarian
17.73529250 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
17.75151261 Russian_Southwest
Distance to: Kyivska_o:Kiev25
10.12369004 Komi
10.14007396 Chuvash
11.04312456 Mordvin
12.96291248 Russian_Kargopol
13.49463968 Tatar_Volga
13.94250336 Russian_North
14.17160894 Russian_Kostroma
14.61434569 Russian
14.78772126 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
14.88070563 Russian_Ryazan
15.93706058 Sámi_Finland
16.03216143 Mari
16.92629611 Russian_Southwest
17.08413299 Udmurt
17.68992651 Ukrainian
18.37207664 Belarusian_Minsk
18.63239383 Sámi_Sweden
18.69880477 Russian_Pskov
18.80099465 Finnish_East
18.83542142 Russian_Smolensk
19.06631323 Ukrainian_Moldova
19.20520502 Polish_Mazovia
19.55968047 Polish_Subcarpathia
19.85682754 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
20.01784454 Belarusian
Distance to: Dnipropetrovska:EG600067_
2.95727915 Russian_Pskov
3.61186932 Lithuanian
4.02118142 Russian_Smolensk
4.13690706 Belarusian_Minsk
4.29698732 Belarusian
4.85191715 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
5.10715185 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
5.75033043 Russian
6.15243854 Russian_Kostroma
6.44077635 Russian_Ryazan
6.56050303 Estonian
6.99274624 Russian_Kargopol
7.00147842 Russian_Southwest
7.06630738 Polish_Mazovia
7.18539491 Polish_Podlaskie
7.43907252 Polish
7.73334339 Russian_North
7.77768603 Polish_Kujavia
7.99760589 Latvian
8.12566920 Ukrainian
8.56116814 Mordvin
9.19561852 Finnish_East
9.21384285 German_East_Prussia_Masuria
9.30976369 Polish_Warmia-Masuria
9.51687974 Polish_Greater_Poland
The first one is a weird individual. Like some kind of Finno-Ugric mix. Komi-Chuvash or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
The second one might be quarter Jewish. Not necessarily an immigrant but not a full Slav either of course. Ukraine used to have a shit ton of Jews.
The third one might be some kind of Western Russian or Belorussian.
the second looks rather Caucasian admixed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Distance to: Kyivska_o1:Kiev26
2.40129417 31.80% Lak + 68.20% Polish_Mazovia
2.55269751 38.00% Chechen + 62.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland
2.55886291 32.40% Lak + 67.60% Polish
2.60019382 64.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 35.60% Ingush
2.60829185 31.60% Dargin + 68.40% Polish_Mazovia
2.82279251 31.60% Avar + 68.40% Polish_Mazovia
2.82412189 32.60% Avar + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
2.83859166 62.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 37.60% Lezgin
2.86315580 32.60% Lak + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
2.86655481 61.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 38.60% Tabasaran
2.91281981 30.40% Dargin + 69.60% Ukrainian
2.92521803 65.60% Lithuanian + 34.40% Ossetian
2.94518457 64.00% Estonian + 36.00% Ossetian_North
2.97303161 39.00% Chechen + 61.00% Estonian
3.00826992 32.60% Dargin + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
3.06032959 33.40% Lak + 66.60% Polish_Kujavia
3.06845260 61.80% Estonian + 38.20% Kabardian
3.06922455 30.40% Lak + 69.60% Ukrainian
3.07819119 65.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 35.00% Ossetian_North
3.07889887 32.00% Avar + 68.00% Russian
3.09925724 34.20% Avar + 65.80% Belarusian_Minsk
3.10987218 66.20% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 33.80% Ossetian
3.11431936 36.20% Circassian + 63.80% Estonian
3.13430761 63.60% Estonian + 36.40% Ingush
3.14336671 32.20% Avar + 67.80% Polish
new Slovenian reference for K13:
Only made of Slovenians with gedcomes (those with Italian, Austrian etc ancestry excluded) from various parts of Slovenia. It is extremely close to current average made by Vbn (academic + some kits combined I think), so this proves he did a great job with it, but this will be even more reliable, we completely eliminated academic samples with unchecked ancestry.Code:Slovene,31.98,34.42,14.67,6.14,9.29,1.04,0.83,0.12,0.54,0.33,0.29,0.10,0.25
We also included kits with high snp count only. Please replace old Slovenian average with this one!
Ah shit, I mistook the West Asian for East Med. Then it's even more exotic. I remember a supposedly Cossack academic sample which was like 1/3 Armenian. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by vbnetkhio
how new Slovenian average plots with updated and yet unreleased German/Austrian averages included in spreadsheet:
Distance to: Slovene
1.75011428 Austrian_Carinthia
2.35561032 Croat_North
2.61688746 Hungarian_North
2.64406883 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.00680894 Hungarian
3.53622680 Austrian_Styria
3.60585635 Hungarian_Alföld
3.71052557 Slovak
4.51115285 Czech
4.66495445 German_Lower_Silesia
5.23260929 Croat
5.56997307 Lemko_Poland
5.95767572 German_County_Glatz
6.23000803 Croat_West
6.43136844 Croat_East
6.93082968 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.13686906 Austrian
7.25472949 German_North_Bohemia
7.36645098 Bosniak
7.54469350 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.79619138 Csángó-Ceangău
7.98839784 Croat_South
8.25676087 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.27675661 German_Saxony
8.50854864 German_West_Prussia
Target: Slovene
Distance: 0.7415% / 0.74149009 | R2P
69.3 Polish_South
30.7 Italian_Trentino
Looks Slavic + Illyrian-Celtic (Illyrians were closest to Trentino), but that is just artifical similarity because there was later East Med (Roman) and German(ic) influence in the area.
This seems to show that Austrians in Carinthia are largely Germanized Slovenes, even I am surprised since I was expecting larger German influence in that part of Austria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
yes and Styria is also very Slovenian like (and we have samples from north Styria even, still not very different than Carinthians). But it is more correct to say they are Germanized medieval Caranthanians, not Slovenians. Slovenes as nation formed in 19th century, and our samples have no recent Slovene ancestry, just Austrian/German.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunai
Interesting, I got two new German averages in general breakdown.
Are those averages Slavic shifted?
Target: Dušan
Distance: 0.5902% / 0.59017137
33.6 Latvian
21.1 Greek_Northern_Thrace
17.7 Sardinian
10.1 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
7.6 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
6.0 Greek_Caucasus
2.3 Georgian_Imereti
1.4 Selkup
0.2 Papuan
Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.7556% / 2.75563238 | ADC: 0.25x
69.4 Moldovan
24.0 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
5.6 Sardinian
1.0 Mari
Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.9781% / 3.97805565 | ADC: 0.5x
61.5 Serb_Republika_Srpska
27.2 Moldovan
10.1 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
1.2 Moldovan_North