Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

[Leto]

could these be added:

Ukrainian_North,26.50,45.84,10.23,5.88,6.40,0.84,1.04,0.49,1.19,0.67,0.46,0.23,0.23
Ukrainian_Northwest,27.13,46.07,10.32,5.77,6.00,0.74,0.78,0.42,1.12,0.68,0.55,0.16,0.27
Ukrainian_South,26.46,43.06,11.30,5.89,7.53,0.90,1.45,0.40,1.61,0.77,0.27,0.12,0.22

Nortwest - Lutsk and Rivne
South - all oblasts on the Black sea coast+ Kropynitskiy
North - all oblasts further north , without Kiev and Dnipro (academic samples seem to include a lot of immigrants) and Vinnitsya (no samples)

What kind of immigrants? The Black Sea-Azov coast was ceded to the Russian Empire in the 18th century and settled afterwards.

[vbnetkhio]

What kind of immigrants? The Black Sea-Azov coast was ceded to the Russian Empire in the 18th century and settled afterwards.

I think these are recent migrants from other parts of Ukraine and the Soviet Union.

Kyivska_o:Kiev25,15.10,46.29,8.45,8.68,2.46,1.15,0.66,0.75,13.71,1.53,0.01,0.00,1.21
Kyivska_o1:Kiev26,23.57,37.18,7.85,20.02,4.47,1.15,1.88,0.00,2.47,0.00,0.20,0.66,0.56
Dnipropetrovska:EG600067_,28.10,51.26,7.28,5.53,1.96,1.11,1.23,0.50,1.77,0.00,0.12,1.11,0.03

Distance to:	Kyivska_o1:Kiev26
15.04877736	Ukrainian_Galicia
15.20848776	Moldovan_North
15.39899023	Ukrainian_Carpathians
15.46221200	Ukrainian_Moldova
15.65090732	Bosniak
16.16141392	Lemko_Poland
16.20274051	Croat_East
16.45201204	Russian_Ryazan
16.51376093	Polish_South
16.52543494	Polish_Subcarpathia
16.80222307	Mordvin
16.84874179	Polish_Silesia
16.89516203	Slovak
16.99723507	Tatar_Volga
17.04026995	Ukrainian
17.24234323	Moldovan_Central
17.31406365	Croat_North
17.37863919	Csángó-Ceangău
17.38354107	Hungarian_Alföld
17.38876936	Croat
17.47309360	Hungarian_North
17.51964041	Moldovan
17.70110166	Hungarian
17.73529250	Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
17.75151261	Russian_Southwest

Distance to:	Kyivska_o:Kiev25
10.12369004	Komi
10.14007396	Chuvash
11.04312456	Mordvin
12.96291248	Russian_Kargopol
13.49463968	Tatar_Volga
13.94250336	Russian_North
14.17160894	Russian_Kostroma
14.61434569	Russian
14.78772126	Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
14.88070563	Russian_Ryazan
15.93706058	Sámi_Finland
16.03216143	Mari
16.92629611	Russian_Southwest
17.08413299	Udmurt
17.68992651	Ukrainian
18.37207664	Belarusian_Minsk
18.63239383	Sámi_Sweden
18.69880477	Russian_Pskov
18.80099465	Finnish_East
18.83542142	Russian_Smolensk
19.06631323	Ukrainian_Moldova
19.20520502	Polish_Mazovia
19.55968047	Polish_Subcarpathia
19.85682754	German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
20.01784454	Belarusian

Distance to:	Dnipropetrovska:EG600067_
2.95727915	Russian_Pskov
3.61186932	Lithuanian
4.02118142	Russian_Smolensk
4.13690706	Belarusian_Minsk
4.29698732	Belarusian
4.85191715	Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
5.10715185	German_East_Prussia_Memelland
5.75033043	Russian
6.15243854	Russian_Kostroma
6.44077635	Russian_Ryazan
6.56050303	Estonian
6.99274624	Russian_Kargopol
7.00147842	Russian_Southwest
7.06630738	Polish_Mazovia
7.18539491	Polish_Podlaskie
7.43907252	Polish
7.73334339	Russian_North
7.77768603	Polish_Kujavia
7.99760589	Latvian
8.12566920	Ukrainian
8.56116814	Mordvin
9.19561852	Finnish_East
9.21384285	German_East_Prussia_Masuria
9.30976369	Polish_Warmia-Masuria
9.51687974	Polish_Greater_Poland

There could be more of them which aren't this obvious, that's why I don't want to merge Kiev and Dnipro with the rest.

[Leto]

I think these are recent migrants from other parts of Ukraine and the Soviet Union.

The first one is a weird individual. Like some kind of Finno-Ugric mix. Komi-Chuvash or whatever.
The second one might be quarter Jewish. Not necessarily an immigrant but not a full Slav either of course. Ukraine used to have a shit ton of Jews.
The third one might be some kind of Western Russian or Belorussian.

[vbnetkhio]

The first one is a weird individual. Like some kind of Finno-Ugric mix. Komi-Chuvash or whatever.
The second one might be quarter Jewish. Not necessarily an immigrant but not a full Slav either of course. Ukraine used to have a shit ton of Jews.
The third one might be some kind of Western Russian or Belorussian.

the second looks rather Caucasian admixed:

Distance to: Kyivska_o1:Kiev26
2.40129417 31.80% Lak + 68.20% Polish_Mazovia
2.55269751 38.00% Chechen + 62.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland
2.55886291 32.40% Lak + 67.60% Polish
2.60019382 64.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 35.60% Ingush
2.60829185 31.60% Dargin + 68.40% Polish_Mazovia
2.82279251 31.60% Avar + 68.40% Polish_Mazovia
2.82412189 32.60% Avar + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
2.83859166 62.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 37.60% Lezgin
2.86315580 32.60% Lak + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
2.86655481 61.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 38.60% Tabasaran
2.91281981 30.40% Dargin + 69.60% Ukrainian
2.92521803 65.60% Lithuanian + 34.40% Ossetian
2.94518457 64.00% Estonian + 36.00% Ossetian_North
2.97303161 39.00% Chechen + 61.00% Estonian
3.00826992 32.60% Dargin + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
3.06032959 33.40% Lak + 66.60% Polish_Kujavia
3.06845260 61.80% Estonian + 38.20% Kabardian
3.06922455 30.40% Lak + 69.60% Ukrainian
3.07819119 65.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 35.00% Ossetian_North
3.07889887 32.00% Avar + 68.00% Russian
3.09925724 34.20% Avar + 65.80% Belarusian_Minsk
3.10987218 66.20% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 33.80% Ossetian
3.11431936 36.20% Circassian + 63.80% Estonian
3.13430761 63.60% Estonian + 36.40% Ingush
3.14336671 32.20% Avar + 67.80% Polish

[Jana]

new Slovenian reference for K13:

Slovene,31.98,34.42,14.67,6.14,9.29,1.04,0.83,0.12,0.54,0.33,0.29,0.10,0.25

Only made of Slovenians with gedcomes (those with Italian, Austrian etc ancestry excluded) from various parts of Slovenia. It is extremely close to current average made by Vbn (academic + some kits combined I think), so this proves he did a great job with it, but this will be even more reliable, we completely eliminated academic samples with unchecked ancestry.

We also included kits with high snp count only. Please replace old Slovenian average with this one!

[Leto]

the second looks rather Caucasian admixed:

Distance to: Kyivska_o1:Kiev26
2.40129417 31.80% Lak + 68.20% Polish_Mazovia
2.55269751 38.00% Chechen + 62.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland
2.55886291 32.40% Lak + 67.60% Polish
2.60019382 64.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 35.60% Ingush
2.60829185 31.60% Dargin + 68.40% Polish_Mazovia
2.82279251 31.60% Avar + 68.40% Polish_Mazovia
2.82412189 32.60% Avar + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
2.83859166 62.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 37.60% Lezgin
2.86315580 32.60% Lak + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
2.86655481 61.40% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 38.60% Tabasaran
2.91281981 30.40% Dargin + 69.60% Ukrainian
2.92521803 65.60% Lithuanian + 34.40% Ossetian
2.94518457 64.00% Estonian + 36.00% Ossetian_North
2.97303161 39.00% Chechen + 61.00% Estonian
3.00826992 32.60% Dargin + 67.40% Russian_Smolensk
3.06032959 33.40% Lak + 66.60% Polish_Kujavia
3.06845260 61.80% Estonian + 38.20% Kabardian
3.06922455 30.40% Lak + 69.60% Ukrainian
3.07819119 65.00% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 35.00% Ossetian_North
3.07889887 32.00% Avar + 68.00% Russian
3.09925724 34.20% Avar + 65.80% Belarusian_Minsk
3.10987218 66.20% German_East_Prussia_Memelland + 33.80% Ossetian
3.11431936 36.20% Circassian + 63.80% Estonian
3.13430761 63.60% Estonian + 36.40% Ingush
3.14336671 32.20% Avar + 67.80% Polish

Ah shit, I mistook the West Asian for East Med. Then it's even more exotic. I remember a supposedly Cossack academic sample which was like 1/3 Armenian. LOL

[Jana]

how new Slovenian average plots with updated and yet unreleased German/Austrian averages included in spreadsheet:

Distance to: Slovene

1.75011428 Austrian_Carinthia
2.35561032 Croat_North
2.61688746 Hungarian_North
2.64406883 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.00680894 Hungarian
3.53622680 Austrian_Styria
3.60585635 Hungarian_Alföld
3.71052557 Slovak
4.51115285 Czech
4.66495445 German_Lower_Silesia
5.23260929 Croat
5.56997307 Lemko_Poland
5.95767572 German_County_Glatz
6.23000803 Croat_West
6.43136844 Croat_East
6.93082968 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.13686906 Austrian
7.25472949 German_North_Bohemia
7.36645098 Bosniak
7.54469350 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.79619138 Csángó-Ceangău
7.98839784 Croat_South
8.25676087 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.27675661 German_Saxony
8.50854864 German_West_Prussia

Target: Slovene
Distance: 0.7415% / 0.74149009 | R2P

69.3 Polish_South
30.7 Italian_Trentino

Looks Slavic + Illyrian-Celtic (Illyrians were closest to Trentino), but that is just artifical similarity because there was later East Med (Roman) and German(ic) influence in the area.

[Dunai]

how new Slovenian average plots with updated and yet unreleased German/Austrian averages included in spreadsheet:

Distance to: Slovene

1.75011428 Austrian_Carinthia
2.35561032 Croat_North
2.61688746 Hungarian_North
2.64406883 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
3.00680894 Hungarian
3.53622680 Austrian_Styria
3.60585635 Hungarian_Alföld
3.71052557 Slovak
4.51115285 Czech
4.66495445 German_Lower_Silesia
5.23260929 Croat
5.56997307 Lemko_Poland
5.95767572 German_County_Glatz
6.23000803 Croat_West
6.43136844 Croat_East
6.93082968 Ukrainian_Carpathians
7.13686906 Austrian
7.25472949 German_North_Bohemia
7.36645098 Bosniak
7.54469350 Ukrainian_Galicia
7.79619138 Csángó-Ceangău
7.98839784 Croat_South
8.25676087 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
8.27675661 German_Saxony
8.50854864 German_West_Prussia

Target: Slovene
Distance: 0.7415% / 0.74149009 | R2P

69.3 Polish_South
30.7 Italian_Trentino

Looks Slavic + Illyrian-Celtic (Illyrians were closest to Trentino), but that is just artifical similarity because there was later East Med (Roman) and German(ic) influence in the area.

This seems to show that Austrians in Carinthia are largely Germanized Slovenes, even I am surprised since I was expecting larger German influence in that part of Austria.

[Jana]

This seems to show that Austrians in Carinthia are largely Germanized Slovenes, even I am surprised since I was expecting larger German influence in that part of Austria.

yes and Styria is also very Slovenian like (and we have samples from north Styria even, still not very different than Carinthians). But it is more correct to say they are Germanized medieval Caranthanians, not Slovenians. Slovenes as nation formed in 19th century, and our samples have no recent Slovene ancestry, just Austrian/German.

[Dušan]

Interesting, I got two new German averages in general breakdown.
Are those averages Slavic shifted?


Target: Dušan
Distance: 0.5902% / 0.59017137
33.6 Latvian
21.1 Greek_Northern_Thrace
17.7 Sardinian
10.1 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
7.6 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
6.0 Greek_Caucasus
2.3 Georgian_Imereti
1.4 Selkup
0.2 Papuan



Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.7556% / 2.75563238 | ADC: 0.25x
69.4 Moldovan
24.0 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
5.6 Sardinian
1.0 Mari


Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.9781% / 3.97805565 | ADC: 0.5x
61.5 Serb_Republika_Srpska
27.2 Moldovan
10.1 German_Brandenburg_outlier(Beeskow)
1.2 Moldovan_North