Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Results v2

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From Neamt (Romania's Moldavia)

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

23.47 28.61 16.83 11.01 13.76 0.42 2.35 0.55 1.81 0 0.61 0 0.58

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Compared to others from Neamt

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N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan

21.38 27.17 14.71 13.65 16.38 2.64 0.06 1.68 1.96 0 0.39 0 0

26.34 27.91 12.93 10.38 15.58 2.13 0.49 0.77 2.12 0.75 0.60 0 0

24.82 28.86 16.91 7.63 16.16 1.99 0.72 0.41 1.50 0.52 0.48 0 0

23.95 24.80 18.46 11.96 15.86 1.51 0 0 1.28 0.66 1.02 0.50 0

23.04 29.67 14.32 8.00 19.96 3.18 0 0.19 1.18 0 0.29 0 0.17

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Distance to: Neamt_ind

3.48307336 Moldova_average

3.52584742 Moldova_Centre

3.70094583 Romania_Maramures

3.85635839 Serb

4.10863724 Romania_Moldavia_North

4.29485739 Serb_north

4.37584278 Serb_central

4.51323609 Romania_Moldavia_South

4.87921100 Romania_Crisana

5.03273286 Romania_Transylvania

5.15055337 Romania_average

5.45609751 Bosniak

5.63646166 Romania_Banat

5.75893219 Croat_South

5.79882747 Csángó

5.86815985 Serb_south

6.07503909 Romania_Oltenia

6.08221177 Székely

6.13791496 Montenegrin

6.57931607 Moldova_South

6.71915917 Hungarian_Transylvania

6.73230273 Romania_Dobruja

6.76697126 Romania_Wallachia

6.80831110 Bulgaria_Northwestern

6.85027737 Moldova_North

Distance to: Neamt_ind

3.48307336 Moldova_average

3.52584742 Moldova_Centru

3.70094583 Romania_Maramures

4.10863724 Romania_Moldova_Nord

4.51323609 Romania_Moldova_Sud

4.87921100 Romania_Crisana

5.03273286 Romania_Transilvania

5.30628872 Romania_average

5.63646166 Romania_Banat

5.79485116 Romania_Moldova_Csango

6.07503909 Romania_Oltenia

6.40060480 Romania_Transilvania_Szekely

6.57931607 Moldova_Sud

6.71915917 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian

6.73230273 Romania_Dobrogea

6.85027737 Moldova_Nord

7.19924302 Romania_Muntenia

8.71229591 Bulgarian

10.49803791 Moldova_Gagauzia

11.08120932 Moldova_Bulgarian

12.21799083 Romania_Ukrainian

12.37738664 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk

12.39671731 Aromanian_North-Macedonia

12.74828224 Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander

15.50238369 Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Target: Neamt_ind
Distance: 2.7834% / 2.78341307 | ADC: 0.25x RC
62.7 Moldova_average
15.4 Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
13.8 Romania_Oltenia
4.5 Moldova_Bulgarian
3.6 Crimean_Tatar

-Hungarian, Bulgarian

Target: Neamt_ind
Distance: 2.7394% / 2.73940688 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.6 Romania_Oltenia
37.5 Moldova_Nord
18.7 Romania_Maramures
5.2 Crimean_Tatar

-Oltenia
Target: Neamt_ind
Distance: 2.9016% / 2.90157556 | ADC: 0.25x RC
46.5 Romania_Maramures
39.4 Moldova_average
5.3 Crimean_Tatar
4.7 Romania_Transilvania
4.1 Moldova_Centru

Distance to: Neamt_ind

3.14356486 Romania_Moldavia_Iasi

3.21501166 Moldova_Calarasi

3.24709101 Moldova_Ialoveni

3.33766385 Moldova_Straseni

3.47008645 Romania_Maramures_Maramures

4.01211914 Romania_Moldavia_Neamt

4.12809884 Moldova_Cimislia

4.13870753 Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui

4.31550692 Romania_Moldavia_Bacau

4.39886349 Moldova_Ungheni

4.40512202 Moldova_Singerei

4.44975280 Moldova_Chisinau

4.54306064 Romania_Crisana_Salaj

4.63888995 Romania_Transylvania_Mures

4.76749410 Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu

4.87329457 Romania_Transylvania_Cluj

4.91927840 Moldova_Balti

4.93943317 Moldova_Telenesti

5.09392776 Moldova_Orhei

5.19709534 Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin

5.35554852 Moldova_Hincesti

5.38826503 Romania_Transylvania_Alba

5.39537765 Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara

5.44362012 Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud

5.79011226 Romania_Banat_Timis

01-04-2021, 11:50 PM
Aspirin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

romanised Ukrainian surname (Botnar from Bodnar)).

Ukrainian? Botnar is a form of Botnari/Botnaru, very common surname.
01-05-2021, 12:23 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspirin

Ukrainian? Botnar is a form of Botnari/Botnaru, very common surname.

It is common, but it likely derives from Ukrainian Bodnar, which means someone who makes barrels. Botnar doesn't mean anything in Romanian or call it whatever you want language. It is very simple. If the surname doesn't mean anything in your language then its initial origin is not local. You can't have surnames without any meaning.
01-05-2021, 12:30 AM
Aspirin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

It is common, but it likely derives from Ukrainian Bodnar, which means someone who makes barrels. Botnar doesn't mean anything in Romanian or call it whatever you want language. You can't have surnames without any meaning.

This doesn't matter, is similar with Cebotari/Cebotaru who derivative from an Ukrainian word too, and this surname is strictly connected only with Moldova.
01-05-2021, 12:55 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspirin

This doesn't matter, is similar with Cebotari/Cebotaru who derivative from an Ukrainian word too, and this surname is strictly connected only with Moldova.

Cebotari/Cebotaru is a variation of Ciubotaru/Cibotari/Cibotaru, in the same way that the more popular Ceban/Cebanu is for Cioban/Ciobanu. These variations happened due to Imperialist and then Soviet russification in birth/marriage certificates. But they are still obvious. In both cases they derive from Romanian words, cibota/ciubota and cioban, where cibota/ciubota indeed are borrowings from Ukrainian, cioban from Turkish, but they are Romanian and have been in our vocabulary for hundreds of years. And that's different from Botnar/Bodnar/Botnari/Botnaru, because that root is not a word in our language. If it is, then I am listening. The equivalent that I know of is dogar. And if you look at additional variations for this surname, you will see that it unsurprisingly also comes with Ukrainian endings such as Botnariuc, Botnarenco and Botnarciuc.
Bodnar is the 27th most popular surname in Suceava. Keep that also in mind. Botnar doesn't exist in isolation from Bodnar and Bodnar is more popular (27th vs 48th).
01-05-2021, 01:10 AM
Aspirin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

And if you look at additional variations for this surname, you will see that it unsurprisingly also comes with Ukrainian endings such as Botnariuc, Botnarenco and Botnarciuc.

These are ukrainized surnames, they are absent from Ukraine almost totally, and people with such surnames are directly or indirectly connected to Moldova, same story with Butnarciuc/Butnariuc/Butnarenco.
01-05-2021, 01:14 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspirin

These are ukrainized surnames, they are absent from Ukraine almost totally, and people with such surnames are directly or indirectly connected to Moldova, same story with Butnarciuc/Butnariuc/Butnarenco.

Those that apply such endings to Bodnar are pretty numerous in Ukraine. To me it looks like the original carriers of this surname to Moldova changed the letter when they got romanised and then it spread like this. Bodnari/Bodnar/Bodnariuc still exist here though. Otherwise, I can't explain why it's not a word and that is not normal for surnames. If you ask anyone what botnar means, I can almost guarantee you that those who will take the guess will suggest that it's something to do with the mouth. Mr. No-mouth :D
01-05-2021, 01:28 AM
Aspirin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Those that apply such endings to Bodnar are pretty numerous in Ukraine. To me it looks like the original carriers of this surname to Moldova changed the letter when they got romanised and then it spread like this. Otherwise, I can't explain why it's not a word and that is not normal for surnames. If you ask anyone what botnar means, I can almost guarantee you that those who will take the guess will suggest that it's something to do with the mouth. Mr. No-mouth :D

Bodnar is a different story, I said about Botnar/Butnar. For example a big chunk of people with surname Butnarciuc are located in a region near Bug river, where live Moldavian colonists. But the most simple way to search people with all these surnames is VK, majority of people with these surnames are always connected with Moldova directly or indirectly. Ukrainians have surname Kushnir, who doesn't mean anything for them, and is connected with Jews, but is a popular surname between them.
01-05-2021, 01:40 AM
Ion Basescul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspirin

Bodnar is a different story, I said about Botnar/Butnar. For example a big chunk of people with surname Butnarciuc are located in a region near Bug river, where live Moldavian colonists. But the most simple way to search people with all these surnames is VK, majority of people with these surnames are always connected with Moldova directly or indirectly. Ukrainians have surname Kushnir, who doesn't mean anything for them, and is connected with Jews, but is a popular surname between them.

Kushnir still has a meaning in Ukrainian.

https://i.ibb.co/qxJpW9g/image.png

https://i.ibb.co/5GLqVBt/image.png

I can't comment on what you said about descendants of colonists being connected to Moldova culturally, because I didn't research this. But I will be pleasantly impressed, because I know people in my life who live in Chisinau with blatantly Moldovan/Romanian surnames but ethnically identify as Russian.
01-05-2021, 05:46 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Russian from Chisinau, doesn't know of any non-Russian ancestors, but there must be something if you ask me...East Med is too high for unmixed Russians

Send me that kit please if you don't mind. Yes, the East Med is high even for most of Ukraine, ~11%.

Distance to:	Neamt_ind
3.48307336	Moldova_average
3.52584742	Moldova_Centre
3.70094583	Romania_Maramures
3.85635839	Serb
4.10863724	Romania_Moldavia_North
4.29485739	Serb_north
4.37584278	Serb_central
4.51323609	Romania_Moldavia_South
4.87921100	Romania_Crisana
5.03273286	Romania_Transylvania
5.15055337	Romania_average
5.45609751	Bosniak
5.63646166	Romania_Banat
5.75893219	Croat_South
5.79882747	Csángó
5.86815985	Serb_south
6.07503909	Romania_Oltenia
6.08221177	Székely
6.13791496	Montenegrin
6.57931607	Moldova_South
6.71915917	Hungarian_Transylvania
6.73230273	Romania_Dobruja
6.76697126	Romania_Wallachia
6.80831110	Bulgaria_Northwestern
6.85027737	Moldova_North

Distance to:	Neamt_ind
3.48307336	Moldova_average
3.52584742	Moldova_Centru
3.70094583	Romania_Maramures
4.10863724	Romania_Moldova_Nord
4.51323609	Romania_Moldova_Sud
4.87921100	Romania_Crisana
5.03273286	Romania_Transilvania
5.30628872	Romania_average
5.63646166	Romania_Banat
5.79485116	Romania_Moldova_Csango
6.07503909	Romania_Oltenia
6.40060480	Romania_Transilvania_Szekely
6.57931607	Moldova_Sud
6.71915917	Romania_Transilvania_Hungarian
6.73230273	Romania_Dobrogea
6.85027737	Moldova_Nord
7.19924302	Romania_Muntenia
8.71229591	Bulgarian
10.49803791	Moldova_Gagauzia
11.08120932	Moldova_Bulgarian
12.21799083	Romania_Ukrainian
12.37738664	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
12.39671731	Aromanian_North-Macedonia
12.74828224	Aromanian_North-Macedonia-Highlander
15.50238369	Romania_Transilvania_Saxon

Distance to:	Neamt_ind
3.14356486	Romania_Moldavia_Iasi
3.21501166	Moldova_Calarasi
3.24709101	Moldova_Ialoveni
3.33766385	Moldova_Straseni
3.47008645	Romania_Maramures_Maramures
4.01211914	Romania_Moldavia_Neamt
4.12809884	Moldova_Cimislia
4.13870753	Romania_Moldavia_Vaslui
4.31550692	Romania_Moldavia_Bacau
4.39886349	Moldova_Ungheni
4.40512202	Moldova_Singerei
4.44975280	Moldova_Chisinau
4.54306064	Romania_Crisana_Salaj
4.63888995	Romania_Transylvania_Mures
4.76749410	Romania_Transylvania_Sibiu
4.87329457	Romania_Transylvania_Cluj
4.91927840	Moldova_Balti
4.93943317	Moldova_Telenesti
5.09392776	Moldova_Orhei
5.19709534	Romania_Banat_Caras-Severin
5.35554852	Moldova_Hincesti
5.38826503	Romania_Transylvania_Alba
5.39537765	Romania_Transylvania_Hunedoara
5.44362012	Romania_Transylvania_Bistrita-Nasaud
5.79011226	Romania_Banat_Timis

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N_Atlantic	Baltic	West_Med	West_Asian	East_Med	Red_Sea	South_Asian	East_Asian	Siberian	Amerindian	Oceanian	NE_African	Sub-Saharan
23.47	28.61	16.83	11.01	13.76	0.42	2.35	0.55	1.81	0	0.61	0	0.58