Based on fact that Herzegovina and Montenegro were part of medieval Serbia, and were settled by Serbs from early time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Montenegro Croats? :lol: What is next - Macedonian Croats?
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Based on fact that Herzegovina and Montenegro were part of medieval Serbia, and were settled by Serbs from early time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Montenegro Croats? :lol: What is next - Macedonian Croats?
If you are interested I can send you Vojvodinian Serb kit of person with typical Vojvodina Serb surname which ended on ov.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
West Herzegovina is Croat since forever. Yes, Croats live in Boka since centuries, and it became part of Montenegro less than century ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Real Montenegro has no sea coast.
Lika Serbs with 34-35% Baltic exist. Few of them posted vbnetkhio, and I have personaly saw some of them outside of this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Sure, you can post it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Yes, I posted such as said. Also from Podrinje. Just like you can find people in same regions with low Baltic. That's the point. Most regions don't seem genetically homogenous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Btw, concentrating on Baltic is not good idea (neither on Baltic + NA). Med scores area also very important, red sea, mong, west asian score....everything is important.
You can have high northern components and still be quite southern shifted and vice versa.
My match from Gedmatch
Krajina Serb surname Vukojević
This one is probably from my maternal Bukovica Dalmatian side, not from paternal Lika.
https://i.imgur.com/uOnRfDN.jpg
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 31.47
2 North_Atlantic 26.56
3 East_Med 14.43
4 West_Med 14.41
5 West_Asian 9.04
6 Siberian 1.68
7 Red_Sea 1.29
8 Amerindian 0.8
9 Sub-Saharan 0.32
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 4.5 :)
2 Moldavian 4.66
3 Croatian 6.28
4 Hungarian 6.61
5 Romanian 7.92
6 Bulgarian 10.14
7 Austrian 11.03
8 East_German 12.05
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.5
10 South_Polish 12.89
11 Ukrainian 13.63
12 Polish 16.57
13 Southwest_Russian 16.73
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.09
15 West_German 17.41
16 Russian_Smolensk 18.64
17 Greek_Thessaly 18.87
18 South_Dutch 18.92
19 Estonian_Polish 19.09
20 Belorussian 19.56
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.8% Romanian + 25.2% Estonian @ 1.15
2 67.6% Bulgarian + 32.4% Southwest_Finnish @ 1.44
3 71.5% Romanian + 28.5% Belorussian @ 1.45
4 62.2% Romanian + 37.8% South_Polish @ 1.58
5 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Finnish @ 1.62
6 69.9% Bulgarian + 30.1% Estonian @ 1.63
7 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Estonian_Polish @ 1.64
8 84.2% Serbian + 15.8% Erzya @ 1.65
9 79.9% Serbian + 20.1% Southwest_Russian @ 1.66
10 70.2% South_Polish + 29.8% South_Italian @ 1.68
11 75.7% Romanian + 24.3% Lithuanian @ 1.71
12 74.8% Romanian + 25.2% Finnish @ 1.72
13 68.1% Romanian + 31.9% Polish @ 1.76
14 83.4% Serbian + 16.6% Kargopol_Russian @ 1.8
15 63.7% Romanian + 36.3% Ukrainian @ 1.81
16 56.1% Bulgarian + 43.9% South_Polish @ 1.83
17 57.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 42.8% Tuscan @ 1.83
18 66.9% South_Polish + 33.1% Central_Greek @ 1.83
19 57.7% Southwest_Russian + 42.3% Tuscan @ 1.83
20 80.6% Serbian + 19.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.85
He is number 7 on that diagram.
Bosniak, my fathers match that is very likely from Klobuk, western Herzegovina by origin like our paternal side is. Has surname that occurs among Croats from Klobuk frequently.
1 Baltic 32.68
2 North_Atlantic 26.75
3 East_Med 17.51
4 West_Med 15.13
5 West_Asian 4.57
6 South_Asian 1.48
7 Oceanian 0.76
8 Amerindian 0.57
9 East_Asian 0.56
another kit from same account
1 Baltic 29.26
2 North_Atlantic 25.09
3 West_Med 18.45
4 East_Med 16.86
5 West_Asian 5.55
6 South_Asian 2.95
7 Amerindian 1.16
8 East_Asian 0.61
9 Siberian 0.04
10 Oceanian 0.03
Another Bosniak (famale) match of his:
1 Baltic 33.67
2 North_Atlantic 32.45
3 West_Med 14.55
4 East_Med 8.93
5 West_Asian 5.84
6 Siberian 1.74
7 South_Asian 1.41
8 Red_Sea 0.58
9 Amerindian 0.51
10 Sub-Saharan 0.32
Bosniak from Ključ in Western Bosnia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Attachment 96821
Attachment 96822
^^
He have same surname as the best Serbian football player all times.
Very funny thing that one of richest Croats today who is also from Klobuk carries same surname like my paternal Bosniak side. His first name is Hrvoje :)
I found out people with our surname still live in village, but they are all Catholics. In Klobuk number of Serbs and Bosniaks is 0.
My father's close Y-DNA match, Croat (Čorić) from Široki Brijeg.
1 Baltic 32.87
2 North_Atlantic 28.21
3 West_Med 16.07
4 East_Med 14.24
5 West_Asian 3.95
6 Siberian 1.22
7 Amerindian 1.16
8 South_Asian 1.15
9 Red_Sea 0.64
10 Sub-Saharan 0.37
11 Northeast_African 0.11
Slavonian Croat by surname, Đakovo area according to actacroatica (Uršić). They are present in Istria too.
1 Baltic 34.92
2 North_Atlantic 24.93
3 West_Med 16.62
4 East_Med 12.76
5 West_Asian 7.91
6 Red_Sea 1.72
7 Siberian 0.47
8 Oceanian 0.37
9 South_Asian 0.3
I found some Vučić on gedmatch! :lol:
1 Baltic 29.7
2 North_Atlantic 22.08
3 West_Med 19.55
4 East_Med 15.18
5 West_Asian 9
6 Red_Sea 2.59
7 Oceanian 0.99
8 Amerindian 0.4
9 South_Asian 0.37
10 Siberian 0.11
11 East_Asian 0.04
Spoiler!
According to red bolded Vukojević is just little more "Slavic" shifted average Serb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
Can you post his ancient admixture?
Herzegovina Croat surname (Mikulić), most likely from Grude. Most Mikulići hail from there.
1 Baltic 33.31
2 North_Atlantic 24.25
3 West_Med 15.08
4 East_Med 12.72
5 West_Asian 10.85
6 Red_Sea 1.77
7 South_Asian 1.02
8 Amerindian 0.47
9 Oceanian 0.44
10 Sub-Saharan 0.09
Take note that Serbian average on Gedmatch have some Celto-Germanic, so it is more Slavic shifted Serbian average on Gedmatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
https://i.imgur.com/LJbWQcM.jpg
What is interesting, he plots on K15 diagram just a a few milimeters away from me, but I dont have Celto-Germanic input.
It is probably because of similar percentage of paleo-Balkan according to calculator - he 37%, me 38%.
Croat (no surname written, just initials and ''Croatian'')
1 Baltic 34.37
2 North_Atlantic 20.78
3 East_Med 18.23
4 West_Med 14.88
5 West_Asian 9.93
6 Amerindian 0.76
7 Siberian 0.75
8 Oceanian 0.15
9 South_Asian 0.14
10 Northeast_African 0.01
Croat, most likely from Central Bosnia but by far origin possibly Herzegovina. Surname is Prce. He wrote Croatian in his kit, in case some of you wonder
1 North_Atlantic 28.38
2 Baltic 27.43
3 West_Med 16.84
4 East_Med 16.79
5 West_Asian 7.55
6 Red_Sea 1.83
7 Siberian 0.59
8 Amerindian 0.35
9 Oceanian 0.25
Vojvodinian Serb, surname Popov.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
K13
1 Baltic 31.83
2 North_Atlantic 25.59
3 West_Med 15.74
4 East_Med 12.5
5 West_Asian 9.43
6 Red_Sea 1.79
7 Amerindian 0.75
8 Oceanian 0.64
9 Siberian 0.59
10 Sub-Saharan 0.56
11 South_Asian 0.52
K12b
1 North_European 41.68
2 Atlantic_Med 25.77
3 Caucasus 21.51
4 Southwest_Asian 4.32
5 Gedrosia 3.75
6 Siberian 1.16
7 Northwest_African 0.79
8 South_Asian 0.63
9 Sub-Saharan 0.22
10 East_Asian 0.17
Bosniak, most likely from East Herzegovina (surname is from there)
1 North_Atlantic 28.69
2 Baltic 28.1
3 East_Med 16.68
4 West_Med 15.93
5 West_Asian 6.21
6 Red_Sea 2.1
7 East_Asian 1.9
8 Amerindian 0.23
9 Oceanian 0.15
Croat from Mostar-Metković area
1 Baltic 29.58
2 North_Atlantic 26.05
3 West_Med 18.24
4 East_Med 12.64
5 West_Asian 8.69
6 South_Asian 1.96
7 Amerindian 1
8 Red_Sea 0.87
9 East_Asian 0.49
10 Sub-Saharan 0.26
11 Siberian 0.21
American Croat from Brač Island. As I said, most of our disapora is Americas in made from Dalmatian islanders.
1 Baltic 33.51
2 North_Atlantic 31.15
3 East_Med 12.28
4 West_Med 11.16
5 West_Asian 8.41
6 Red_Sea 1.2
7 South_Asian 1.2
8 Siberian 0.62
9 Northeast_African 0.4
10 Amerindian 0.08
American Croat from Punat, island of Krk
1 Baltic 33.4
2 North_Atlantic 26.12
3 East_Med 14.24
4 West_Med 13.97
5 West_Asian 5.75
6 Red_Sea 3.13
7 Amerindian 0.91
8 Oceanian 0.65
9 East_Asian 0.63
10 Siberian 0.57
11 South_Asian 0.46
12 Sub-Saharan 0.17
Nice result. :thumb001:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
One Vukojević family from Oćestovo are my cousins https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oćestovo
Males in that family are almost 2 m tall. :)
Vukojevići are mostly Croats, but some are Serbs.
koji to g25 test?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dušan
My homemade calculator :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bosniensis
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-K3-calculator
It works good.
Don't thumb be down retard, my own surname comes from Vukojević.
As Dušan posted Vukojevići Serbs in Dalmatia lived in Oćestovo (Knin), Gaćelezi (Vodice) and Benkovac. All celebrate St. George's day. There are many Vukojević Serbs from other regions, but he mention Dalmatian because he has match with one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
Oćestovo from where are my cousins Vukojevići was full Serbian village until 1995 (today is almost empty), and these Serbian families lived there:
- Bjedov
- Bucalo
- Vukojević
- Kasum
- Knežević
- Lošić
- Perić
- Rapo
- Tanjga
- Ćulum
- Šolaja
^^
All of them celebrate St. George's day.
Vukojević comes from name Vuk which was extremely common among medieval south Slavs, they don't need to be related at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
My surname comes from Vukojević and it's native region is west Herzegovina-Imotska krajina.
So you see, one branch of Vukojevići are from western Herzegovina and Dalmatian hinterland (Croats), other branch is from eastern Herzegovina (Serbs).Quote:
Vukojević families are often Croats and they are mostly from Herzegovina. According to some sources they are from Vrgorac, and are less frequently Serbs. In the past century, relatively most of Croatian residents bearing this family name were born in Herzegovina (Ljubuski area) and in East Herzegovina (Trebinje area). In Šipovača in Herzegovina every fifth inhabitant had the family name Vukojević.
I doubt they are related.
Old surname of Dalmatian Serbs Vukojevići was Vukobrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
The oldest mention of Vukobrat/Vukobratović family in northern Dalmatia is from January 12, 1654, when in one document written in Zadar is mentioned Ivanko Vukobratović as alfier of Ilija Smiljanić (Ivanco Vucobratovich alfier del serdar Elia Smiglanovich). Ivanko Vukobratović in that time lived in Zadar area.
From Vukobratovići originated Serbian families from northern Dalmatia: Knežević, Vukojević, Ilić, Bucalo snd Markoš.
Source: "Families of Dalmatian Serbs" - Aleksandar Bačko
^^^^ Interesting, here is origin of Croats Vukojević from whom is derived my Bosniak side surname.
Quote:
Surname Vukojević comes from Vukoje Vuko meaning wolf. We see from the beginning, Vukojević is a very old and mighty Croatian family name that is common in Klobuk. From Vukojević new last names were created: Antić, Brkić, Blaskić, Mandža, Madunić, Macan, Markezan, Međugorac, Pezić, Petrović and Simunović. From Klobuk, its hereditary centre, Vukojević the migrated until about 100 years, that is, until around 1900 lived in Klobuk, Tihaljine, Grude, Vasarevic, Šipovaca, Veljaci, Vitina, Medjugorje, Ograđeniku, Vrgorac, Kljenku, Imotski Podhumskim and villages near Konjić. In Klobuk number Vukojević decreased until they completely disappeared. The present family with the surname Vukojević comes from Šipovaca. The ancient family tree Vukojević in Klobuk became extinguished. In 1962 he came to Peter Vukojević from Klobuk and married Veronika Antunović. Peter was a postman. There they built a home.
My Gedmatch match with Krajina Serb surname Đukić
My paternal grandfather's mother had this surname.Quote:
Ђукић – Днопоље, Курјак, Д.Лапац, Ораовац, Плоча, Суваја, Заваље
# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.1
2 North_Atlantic 23.32
3 West_Med 17.53
4 East_Med 17.44
5 West_Asian 6.54
6 South_Asian 2.34
7 Red_Sea 2.06
8 Amerindian 1.35
9 Oceanian 0.33
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.53
2 Romanian 6.22
3 Bulgarian 7.33
4 Moldavian 8.33
5 Croatian 10.38
6 Hungarian 11.35
7 Austrian 14.81
8 Greek_Thessaly 14.85
9 East_German 15.94
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.63
11 South_Polish 17.46
12 Ukrainian 17.67
13 North_Italian 18.65
14 Tuscan 19.51
15 West_German 19.96
16 French 20.74
17 Polish 20.75
18 Southwest_Russian 20.8
19 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.29
20 South_Dutch 21.41
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% Estonian_Polish @ 2.91
2 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Ukrainian @ 3.03
3 65.8% Greek_Thessaly + 34.2% Lithuanian @ 3.08
4 58.6% Greek_Thessaly + 41.4% Polish @ 3.12
5 61.7% Greek_Thessaly + 38.3% Belorussian @ 3.15
6 70.6% Croatian + 29.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.18
7 63.9% Ukrainian + 36.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.18
8 75.7% Croatian + 24.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.18
9 65.4% Greek_Thessaly + 34.6% Estonian @ 3.19
10 64% Ukrainian + 36% Italian_Jewish @ 3.26
11 50.4% West_Sicilian + 49.6% Estonian_Polish @ 3.28
12 75.9% Croatian + 24.1% Italian_Jewish @ 3.35
13 55.5% West_Sicilian + 44.5% Lithuanian @ 3.35
14 60.8% Greek_Thessaly + 39.2% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.4
15 59.6% Croatian + 40.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.41
16 54.2% Greek_Thessaly + 45.8% South_Polish @ 3.52
17 56.3% Ukrainian + 43.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.53
18 53% Greek_Thessaly + 47% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.56
19 60.1% Polish + 39.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.57
20 53.6% Estonian_Polish + 46.4% South_Italian @ 3.64
https://i.imgur.com/yZDnPD3.jpg
Bosniak, surname Tanović Attachment 96824Quote:
Originally Posted by Est.1992
^^
Bosniensis like Bosniak, if I remember well.
Tanovići are Bosniaks from Gacko (East Herzegovina).
He is 2.63% mongoloid. loolQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
I must report to Leto. :)
Haha, niceQuote:
Originally Posted by Pribislav
Population
Gedrosia 3.80 Pct
Siberian 1.16 Pct
Northwest_African 0.95 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.41 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.56 Pct
North_European 40.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.56 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.95 Pct
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Caucasus 22.10 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
About 2.4% here.
Guys, how can i see my Gedmatch matches?