Illyrians were probably genetically diverse with those from modern day Serbia possibly being genetically closer to BGR IA than to HRV IA. I wouldn't use HRV IA as representative of all IA Illyrians.
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Illyrians were probably genetically diverse with those from modern day Serbia possibly being genetically closer to BGR IA than to HRV IA. I wouldn't use HRV IA as representative of all IA Illyrians.
It could be. Maybe they were not homogeneous population.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
We need samples from modern Serbia, Montenegro and eastern Bosnia-Herzegovina.
Then I don't know, I thought g25 is some calc from gedmatch, who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
+ I never mentioned halogroups being more important than autosomal.
Pre-Illyrians from far eastern Slavonia were same North Italian like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mingle
Serbia is fringe of Illyrian world and if they were closer to Thracians it means they were mixed with them, simple as that.
Illyrians proper were in Albania. Than such term spread to include other western Balkan barbarians.
But haplogroups of northern Illyrians from Croatia are typical Albanian, so they were obviously very related.
two closest models including Av2 for Balkan ethnicities:
Albanian
"37.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 62.6 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2"
"68.5 % BGR_IA + 31.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2"
Bosnian
"56.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 43.4 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.01"
"58.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 41.8 % ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance" "0.0101"
Croat
"56.9 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 43.1 % ITA_Rome_MA" "0.0089"
"59.8 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 40.2 % ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity" "0.0093"
Bulgarian
"35.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 64.9 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0061"
"44.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 55.8 % ITA_Rome_Imperial" "0.0086"
Hungarian
"63.5 % DEU_MA_ACD + 36.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2" "0.0091"
"45.3 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 54.7 % HUN_MA_Szolad" "0.0095"
Serb
"58.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 41.8 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0091"
"45.3 % BGR_IA + 54.7 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2" "0.0104"
Montengrin
"52.7 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 47.3 % ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o" "0.0083"
"46.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 53.4 % ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance" "0.0084"
Macedonian
"39.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 60.8 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0097"
"49.5 % BGR_IA + 50.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2" 0.0115
Romanian
"39.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 60.8 % ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity" "0.0093"
"38.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 61.6 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0096"
Slovenians
"58.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 41.5 % ITA_Rome_MA" "0.009"
"60.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 39.4 % ITA_Proto-Villanovan" "0.0094
Morava river in Serbia is accepted as ethnical border between Illyrian and Thracian tribes by most scholars. There was obviously transitional Thraco-Illyrian zone as well.
https://st.depositphotos.com/1287721...-of-serbia.jpg
Well those samples from Croatia had J2b2-L283, R1b-L23 and sample from Bulgaria E1b.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMaestro
When?Quote:
Originally Posted by Feiichy
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This map is incorrect anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulu
Constantine retook Dacia in 334 AD after a decade long campaign, which included the construction of a second bridge over the Danube.