My paleo-Balkan ancestors were Thracians

[Mingle]

Illyrians were probably genetically diverse with those from modern day Serbia possibly being genetically closer to BGR IA than to HRV IA. I wouldn't use HRV IA as representative of all IA Illyrians.

[Dušan]

Illyrians were probably genetically diverse with those from modern day Serbia possibly being genetically closer to BGR IA than to HRV IA. I wouldn't use HRV IA as representative of all IA Illyrians.

It could be. Maybe they were not homogeneous population.
We need samples from modern Serbia, Montenegro and eastern Bosnia-Herzegovina.

[TheMaestro]

This is not gedmatch. Wtf?
Ancient samples are on G25 and we compared to to which modern populations they are closest. What's not clear here?

Also autosomal >>> Haplogroups

Then I don't know, I thought g25 is some calc from gedmatch, who knows.

+ I never mentioned halogroups being more important than autosomal.

[Jana]

Illyrians were probably genetically diverse with those from modern day Serbia possibly being genetically closer to BGR IA than to HRV IA. I wouldn't use HRV IA as representative of all IA Illyrians.

Pre-Illyrians from far eastern Slavonia were same North Italian like.
Serbia is fringe of Illyrian world and if they were closer to Thracians it means they were mixed with them, simple as that.

[Jana]

Illyrians proper were in Albania. Than such term spread to include other western Balkan barbarians.
But haplogroups of northern Illyrians from Croatia are typical Albanian, so they were obviously very related.

[vbnetkhio]

two closest models including Av2 for Balkan ethnicities:

Albanian
"37.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 62.6 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2"
"68.5 % BGR_IA + 31.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2"

Bosnian
"56.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 43.4 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.01"
"58.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 41.8 % ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance" "0.0101"

Croat
"56.9 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 43.1 % ITA_Rome_MA" "0.0089"
"59.8 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 40.2 % ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity" "0.0093"

Bulgarian
"35.1 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 64.9 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0061"
"44.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 55.8 % ITA_Rome_Imperial" "0.0086"

Hungarian
"63.5 % DEU_MA_ACD + 36.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2" "0.0091"
"45.3 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 54.7 % HUN_MA_Szolad" "0.0095"

Serb
"58.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 41.8 % Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2" "0.0091"
"45.3 % BGR_IA + 54.7 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2" "0.0104"

Montengrin
"52.7 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 47.3 % ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o" "0.0083"
"46.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 53.4 % ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance" "0.0084"

Macedonian
"39.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 60.8 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0097"
"49.5 % BGR_IA + 50.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2" 0.0115

Romanian
"39.2 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 60.8 % ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity" "0.0093"
"38.4 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 61.6 % IND_Roopkund_B" "0.0096"

Slovenians
"58.5 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 41.5 % ITA_Rome_MA" "0.009"
"60.6 % HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2 + 39.4 % ITA_Proto-Villanovan" "0.0094

[Jana]

Morava river in Serbia is accepted as ethnical border between Illyrian and Thracian tribes by most scholars. There was obviously transitional Thraco-Illyrian zone as well.

[Jana]

Then I don't know, I thought g25 is some calc from gedmatch, who knows.

+ I never mentioned halogroups being more important than autosomal.

Well those samples from Croatia had J2b2-L283, R1b-L23 and sample from Bulgaria E1b.

[Hulu]

Illyrians proper were in Albania. Than such term spread to include other western Balkan barbarians.
But haplogroups of northern Illyrians from Croatia are typical Albanian, so they were obviously very related.

When?

[ixulescu]

When?

This map is incorrect anyway.

Constantine retook Dacia in 334 AD after a decade long campaign, which included the construction of a second bridge over the Danube.