Rank the Germanic admixture

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Originally Posted by Blondie

(...) These who migrated to Germany are not danube swabians anymore. (...) If Teutone would move to Hungary to live he would be also danube swabian.

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Blondie, come on! :rolleyes:

I appreciate your affection (or even identity) with Danube Swabians, but tell these (mostly pure) people that they are not anymore Danube Swabians: http://www.donauschwaben-usa.org/

The least Germanic of East Germans could be the ones who lived in easternmost areas - West Prussia, Provinz Posen, Upper Silesia, easternmost part of Pommern, part of Lower Silesia to the east of the Odra River, also in this part of East Prussia which is today Kaliningrad Oblast.

Probably also Vilamovians, but who knows.

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Originally Posted by Blondie

Doesn't matter, because these pure result don't represent danube swabians in general. I would say an average danube swabian is 3/4 german and 1/4 hungarian.



These who migrated to Germany are not danube swabians anymore. Danube swabian means german who live in Hungary, its a generic name for all hungarian german. If Teutone would move to Hungary to live he would be also danube swabian.

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I'm so surprised that you yourself as someone who identities as one, would dismiss the concept of a particular Danube Swabian cultural identity. Over the 2-300 hundreds of years of their presence in Historic Hungary these Germans developed their own customs and even dialect that clearly makes them unique among Germans. For the very rare instances that I heard her speak German, but I remember my grandmother speaking German is such a weird way, that didn't resemble the Hochdeutsch of Germany, they also adopted many Hungarian words.

here are results from one Banat Swabian and one German from west Hungary.

Distance to: Banat_Swabian

3.97638026 French_Alsace
4.32164321 Swiss_German
4.55745543 German_South
5.00034999 Swiss_German2
5.76450345 Swiss_French
6.01103153 Austrian
6.03454224 Pennsylvania_Dutch
7.19339280 German
7.21381314 French_Northeast
7.50082662 German_West
8.29904814 Belgian
8.57696333 Afrikaner
8.62542753 Flemish
9.14249966 French_Central
9.47771069 Dutch_South
10.79162175 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
10.86235242 German_East
11.26581555 Italian_Aosta_Valley
11.39432754 Hungarian
11.51981337 French
11.57727515 Hungarian_Transylvania+Székely
11.78051782 Slovenian
12.24564821 French_Northwest
12.33638521 Csángó-Ceangău
12.37903066 Hungarian_Alföld

Target: Banat_Swabian
Distance: 1.4591% / 1.45911576 | ADC: 0.25x RC

57.3 German_South
23.8 Swiss_French
18.9 Poland_Lemko

Distance to: German_West_Hungary

4.86192349 German_South
5.18110992 French_Alsace
5.61185353 German_West
5.66309986 Swiss_German
5.89302978 Swiss_German2
6.32661047 Pennsylvania_Dutch
6.69603614 Belgian
6.77867244 French_Northeast
6.83227634 Afrikaner
7.11022503 Flemish
7.12961430 German
8.27992150 Dutch_South
8.64925430 Swiss_French
8.86658897 Austrian
10.18990677 French_Central
10.33155361 North_German
10.48755930 English_Southeast
10.74244851 French_Northwest
11.03502605 German_Northwest
11.10862728 Dutch
11.29431716 English_Midlands
11.41938702 English
11.68193477 Dutch_Central
11.87512105 English_Southwest
11.98450249 Cornish

Target: German_West_Hungary
Distance: 2.2681% / 2.26810420 | ADC: 0.5x RC

86.1 German_West
6.5 Austrian
4.8 Lebanese_Druze
2.6 Yemenite_Jewish

First one has some tiny bit local admixture (Hungarian presumably), just like Transylvanian Saxon, but it's really minor, other is maybe little bit Jewish, not sure.
But in case of Banat Swabian it does not even need to be any local input as I said, Banat Swabians partly are central Germans (ex DDR), so this tiny Slavic does not need to be local even.

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Originally Posted by rothaer

but tell these (mostly pure) people that they are not anymore Danube Swabians: http://www.donauschwaben-usa.org/

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They are now Mississippi Swabians.

www.mississippischwaben-usa.org

I also don't agree with Blondie with all due respect that some German who now comes to Hungary is suddenly Danube Swabian. They are particular group.
Not even all Germans from historical Hungary were Danube Swabian.

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Originally Posted by Dunai

It would be good to see averages for these groups, because it's very difficult to draw conclusions based on just a few samples. I have a feeling that both Transylvanian Saxons and Danube Swabians mixed with the locals not only in the past century but also earlier, however it remains only a speculation when we don't have conclusive genetic data about it.

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I don't have any data that I can claim to be representative. But I can tell that I saw a 23andMe result for a Transsylvanian Saxon that showed just 7% or less EE at 23andMe. (I as an indigenous Eastern German get 50.7% EE!) If they in general would have mixed more with Romanians, there would not be possible a Transsylvanian Saxon with only 7% EE. Consider that they have been there for over 700 years!

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Originally Posted by rothaer

I don't have any data that I can claim to be representative. But I can tell that I saw a 23andMe result for a Transsylvanian Saxon that showed just 7% or less EE at 23andMe. (I as an indigenous Eastern German get 50.7% EE!) If they in general would have mixed more with Romanians, there would not be possible a Transsylvanian Saxon with only 7% EE. Consider that they have been there for over 700 years!

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Did he score any Balkan? EE is not really marker of Romanian admixture on 23andme, it's more indicative of minor Hungarian input which would make lot more sense, due to religious and social class reasons.
But indeed 7% EE after 700 years there is incredibly low, practically nothing and proves they kept to themselves.

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Originally Posted by rothaer

I as an indigenous Eastern German get 50.7% EE!

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Do you get any countries & regions assigned to your EE?

"The Danube Swabian language is only nominally Swabian (Schwowisch, as it was referred to locally). In reality, it contains elements or many dialects of the original German settlers, mainly Swabian, Franconian, Bavarian, Pfälzisch, Alsatian, and Alemannic, as well as Austro-Hungarian administrative and military jargon."