Post your new MyOrigins results, that old FF results look too weird to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
Post your new MyOrigins results, that old FF results look too weird to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
north slavs are real scythians, we south slavs are unfortunately mixed with balkan wog, but still share ancestry with our northen cousins
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT...trclusters.png
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/g...s/IMG_3831.jpg
OkayQuote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
http://i.imgur.com/2Zq8TT7.jpg
Neither Slavs, nor Turkics are Scythians. Scythians are dead, let them rest in peace. Thank you.
Name Slavonic appeared much later in history, it just substituted sarmatian/scythianQuote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
Slavs speak various Slavic languages. Scythians spoke an Iranic language. Turkics speak Turkic languages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke
jet another time traveler, any selfie and youtube video with them, would you share?Quote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
you are wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
Antic greeks who wrote history back then, said that Scythians speak European type of Iranic, but, they clearly spoke proto slavic, which is sounding similar to iranic to a greek ear
https://faculty.unlv.edu/jmstitt/Eng...umSatemMap.gif
Scythians lived in slavic countries, what was scythian/sarmatian, became Slavic around 1000 AD
http://altelandkarten.de/images/24010-01.jpg
How could Herodotus have the linguistic knowledge to recognize the Scythians as Indo-European speakers. ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke
I agree. No one says Scythians were Turkic or Slavic, Slav members think Slavs have more Scythian blood, and I say Central Asians. It was Gilgamesh the moron who dragged "Turanism" into this. He is like a fucking parrot.Quote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
How come Ossetes speak Iranic language and are descendants of Scytho-Sarmatian Alans and indigenous Caucasic people?
No selfie, but I have a YouTube video:Quote:
Originally Posted by gültekin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOvZHFvOxnU
Ossetian (Digor dialect), which is the descendant of Scythian.
Hakan what's his name does claim Scytho-Sarmatians were Turkic. I think there was such a theory supported by some scholars generations ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
He didnt, he just said they speak euro version of Iranic, he clearly was knowlable how Persian sounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphawolf
My specualtion is that protoslavic reminded him on Persian by sound.
They were Indoerupeans, because genetic show it, and indo-europeans have mixed with asians in asia, but Scythia/Saramtia term from Greeks/Romans comes from Europe.
Romans considered everything east of Germany and north of Dacia as Scythians/Sarmatians, they are Slavs
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Originally Posted by Foreigner
Ossets are persianized native caucasians. That's why G is the most dominant hg. Their Turkic neighbours, Karachays have much more r1a than ossets.
hahahaha that's just Honga-Kaft and singing about Nart's. nice song,Quote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
try againe, i'm curious about your selfies mr. time traveler :)
Thats what i keep telling them. God, they are just as annoying as these Afrocentric idiots on Youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
persianized native caucasians? are you kidding me? the ossetians maternally are genetically linked with their ancestors, and R1a is a west eurasian haplogroup not eastern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0...D0%A1._312-315
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Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
I have posted link that proves that ossetians have nothing to do with scythians, its a myth.
Sythians in eastern parts(asia) had male East euro ancestry, and some were mixed with asians, but they are not Ossetians.
Ossetians are Caucasus people, scythians were large group that spread from germania all the way to asia, same like slavs today
I was talking about Turanians who keep claiming that the Scythians, Sarmatians, Parthians and etc were Turkic, and linguists confirm that they are a iranic people. Scythians were long gone before the Slavs settled in what is now Russia, Ukraine and etc, and genetically, all slavic peoples, with the exception of southern slavs, are genetically close to one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danishmend
Ossetian is East Iranic language as well and not in the same Iranic subgroup as Persian. Well for sure they must be in part Caucasic people too, as must have been the Alans too, even though not at first.
"The Y-haplogroup data indicate that North Ossetians are more similar to other North Caucasian groups, and South Ossetians are more similar to other South Caucasian groups, than to each other. Also, with respect to mtDNA, Ossetians are significantly more similar to Iranian groups than to Caucasian groups. It is thus suggested that there is a common origin of Ossetians from Iran, followed by subsequent male-mediated migrations from their Caucasian neighbours"Quote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...131.x/abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15598217
Ossetians are a mixture between a Caucasian father and an Iranic(Alan) mother. So much for them in being Turkic or any of that nonsense.
In Coon's chapter on Scytho-Sarmatians he does mention the existence of one theory that they spoke Turkic and were Europo-Mongoloid mix or Mongoloids, but he dismises this idea. He also says Ossetes are mix of Alans and native Caucasians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
They have everything to do with them: they speak a language that is a descendant of Scythian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke
Hm, this seems fishy or very surprising anyway. Why the mother Alan? Weren't they the rulling or dominant tribe in the region and a warrior people? Also why Iran? Iranics originate in northern Central Asia, from where they also spread to Iran and Eastern Europe and the North Caucasus or so it is usually believed. Iranians in Iran have proto-Iranic admixture which was European, but are more West Asian/Middle Eastern by blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
Alans maybehave been in south poland, and there is no genetic link with ossetiansQuote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
This is reallity
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/sh...skeletons.html
It's a warriors' tomb, but we now know it says more about culture than conquest. It contains ancient Scythian skeletons discovered in the Altai mountains of Mongolia in 2005, and their DNA is part of the first hard evidence of genetic blending between Europe and Asia.
Researchers at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, Spain, extracted mitochondrial DNA from the bones and teeth of skeletons found in the mountains. Bronze-Age skeletons, dating from the seventh to the 10th century BC, showed no sign of mixed lineages: those from the western side of the mountain range were European, and those from the eastern side were Asian. However, come the Iron Age - seventh to second centuries BC - and the coming of the Scythian culture, and the skeletons display a neat 50-50 blend of lineages.
The Scythians were already known to be the first large Eurasian culture, but were believed to be the product of migration from Europe. The researchers now suggest that the genetic blending is actually a result of the expansion of Scythian culture over the mountains.
That culture was based on nomadic pasturing and horse breeding - as you may have guessed from the presence of a horse alongside humans in this tomb.
Scythians weren't confirmed to exist in east Asia before this tomb and others were found in 2005 in the Altai mountains, where Russia, China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan share borders. In ancient times the mountain range prevented cultural and genetic blending, dividing the Asian and European populations until the Scythian culture expanded from the west.
tl:dr
Most eastern fringe part of Scythia is where Russian like people mixed with Mongol like people after Iron age
the scythians and sarmatians of europe spoke northeastern iranic languages and ossetian is the descendant of one of them. So they are scythian /sarmatian regardless of their genes. But the saka of khotan and central asia spoke spoke southeastern iranic languages and they left many buddhist manuscripts. Their language is more related to modern sarikoli, , wakhi, pashto and other southeastern iranic languages. None of their languages had turkic infuences and only very late turks migrated from mongolia to western central asia and displaced the native iranic population thereQuote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
Well, the Alans suffered a lot by the hand of the tatar barbarians, and many of their men died fighting for their people while many women were left behind. There is an cultural myth about the origins of the ossetian people on how an Alanic mother(forgot her name) rescued many children from the hand of the mongols. It makes sense that they would start mixing with caucasian males to keep their people alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
Not sure what your point was Duke. The Ossetes are not pure Scythians or Sarmatians, but a mix of that and native Caucasians. Their language is Iranic and they were once known as Alans. Their history in the region is well documented. They are a Sarmatian tribe basically. I think they look between Caucasics and Slavs and a bit like Balkanics, being the lightest group in their region.
osssetians have also on the maternal side not much iranic ancestry. There is a misconception that ossetians have iranic admixture on their maternal side because they have similar mtdna like persians but actually persians have mtdna which is almost entirely pre-indoeuropean. Iranic migrations were dominated by males who took local non-iranic wifes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
Like i said, being Iranic is more to do with linguistic terms rather than racial one. I mean, i seriously doubt the Alans would have been any genetically different from other west asians and etc. People change their languages and identities all the time, and Turks are no exception to that rule either. Of course, cultural assimilation comes with admixture, and it varies from people to people. Some people have little admixture and some have a lot. Assyrians for example are a Semitic people, but genetically they are very close to Armenians, Kurds and other northern middle easterners and caucasians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
Caucasian people look like balkan, this is trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
But thats purley because we are both mix of Scythian and wog :D
So you think they are not real Alans or what? What about Jassic Hungarians?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
Not only Iranic, but all the other linguistic labels too. Romance for example covers a huge area, from me to Portuguese to Moldovans. Arabic goes from Morocco to Iraq. Germanic from Swedish to Austrian. It doesn't make sense to use these words for something else now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilgamesh900
You think other Caucasians have also Scytho-Sarmatian admixture?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke
Ugric people, as Turkic people lived in Scythian domain, and shared similar lifestyles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foreigner
But Scythians in Europe, and in Asia(before mixing) were Russian like, or Slavic like
Alans could be like modern Caucasians, a mix of Slavs, and Caucasic people, but i havent seen any genetic research about old Alans
I think Germanics are the most homogenous.Quote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
Haha..funny timing...I just opened a similar sort of thread...
Of course. The Ossetians are genetically descendant from their ancestors, and this study proves it:Quote:
Originally Posted by KawaiiKawaii
"In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2"
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0...D0%A1._312-315
This study is new from 2014, but its in Russian so you got to use google translate to read the study.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasz_people I thought you knew of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke